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That's right - the blunderhead TE is at it again - in the news for calling Two-time NFL Champ coach Bill Parcell's a homo...
"In next week's New York magazine, Shockey criticizes Parcells for comments he was told the coach made about him on TV and concludes by saying: "Let's see how much Parcells wins this year. I'll make him pay when we play them. The homo." (NYPost)
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Shockey is just an idiot, plain and simple. He of course denies calling Parcells a homo and that it was a misinterpretation of something his friend said. Whatever Bam Bam. Shockey cannot get hurt often enough and the Giants cannot lose often enough to suit me this season. Douche bag!
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I just can't figure out why the sports media insists in cramming this maroon down our throats.
Anytime a moderately photogenic white guy starts for the New York Giants, apparently he gets elevated to the status of "most marketable football player in America." At least when Jason Sehorn had this status, he wasn't a boorish jerk. He was merely a third rate defensive back. Hey, Madison Avenue, they got good looking white guys on much better teams than the Giants. (Forgive me, Philly Fan, but this does include the Tampa Bay Bucs.)
Maybe this is the best reason for getting football back to the L.A. basin. To give America's advertising execs and magazine editors a second team to grab their cover boys from.
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And another thing ... here's a quote from the NY Post article on this blow-up:
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Shockey also discusses his sexually fantasies in the upcoming issue of Maxim magazine.
I'm also one who thinks, given his gay obsessions, that if Shockey spoke honestly, the fantasy would involve Vin Diesel, a hot tub and plenty of Vaseline petroleum jelly.
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I agree with you Charlie. Shockey is a total closet case. The idea of being gay occupies his thoughts waaaay too much. Vin probably is his dream guy, he's a lot of guys dream guy.
And if the reporter mistook the "friend's" comments for his, how close is this 'friend.'
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I think Cyd is onto something with today's Jock Talk. Sloppy needs to, as Ung so eloquently put it, get his booty waxed one good time and get over it already. Maybe we can send the Fab 5 his way and give him a desperately needed make-better. Then he'd know that homophobia is so 5 minutes ago. wink
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Well, we all know that i think shooooooooookey is a dumbo...
But dont you find it a bit refreshing that maybe... just maybe this idiot is bringing back some of the fire... like say a buddy ryan?
Not to argue symantics, but... being the idiot that this guy is.... "homo" is a tame word for him. I dont think we should make too much of it. He was already gonna be tuanted no matter what...
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Shockey's latest remark is not a surprise to any of us, and I tend to just tune someone like him out at this point. However, what is frustrating to me is that the more stupid comments that he makes, the more publicity he gets. He is continuously being covered by ESPN and Sports Illustrated and other media outlets. I am sure he and his agent are just eating this up. His agent probably loves for Shockey to speak his mind (like he really has one) because it only increases his visibility.
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Now that I think back on it, I should have sent his luggage to London instead of Honolulu. But then the people at baggage service would have gotten hell from him. Ah well.
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Charlie in the Trees: I just can't figure out why the sports media insists in cramming this maroon down our throats.
Anytime a moderately photogenic white guy starts for the New York Giants, apparently he gets elevated to the status of \"most marketable football player in America.\"
CITT, do you mean "moron"? "Maroons" actually were usually non-white enslaved runaways (or their white allies) who set up independent communities for their people and battled the established government, slaveowners, and so on. I can't see any association whatsoever with this blond cretin.
And Madison Avenue need not fixate on "white" guys--there are numerous extremely attractive, well-spoken, non-homophobic players of color, on the Giants and other teams. I'll buy anything Dhani Jones is selling.
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Charlie in the Trees: I just can't figure out why the sports media insists in cramming this maroon down our throats.
CITT, do you mean \"moron\"? \"Maroons\" actually were usually non-white enslaved runaways (or their white allies) who set up independent communities for their people and battled the established government, slaveowners, and so on. I can't see any association whatsoever with this blond cretin.
It's a cartoon thing. Bugs Bunny, for one, would often say, "What a maroon!" about an adversary. It's an exaggerated pronunciation of "moron."
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also on ESPN News Shockey's agent said that he never talked about Parcell's "Sexual Preference" and Jim Fassell said how it is wrong to insult people based on race religion or "Sexual preference"
Is the NFL still clueless I hate that word anything Sexual Prefrence. Preference is how you like it and orientation is who you are. IT drives me crazy. Classless jerks.
I'm straight, and have absolutley nothing against homosexuals, i was raised around homosexuality having two aunts who are lesbians, i've always thought nothing was wrong with it, that's just the way it is.
But i'd seriously like to know why the majority of homosexuals get all riled up over things like what jeremy shockey "supposedly" says.
I say supposedly because in all honesty i don't believe he said what the writer says he did and i'll tell you why.
What reasons on earth would shockey have to call parcells a homo??there are none, just because shockey claims he wouldnt want a gay teammate dosent mean he goes around calling everybody a homo when he's upset with them, this whole thing sounds like a setup, the guy says he has him on tape, well until i hear it from his mouth i dont believe it, he probably called him something but i have trouble believing shockey would use the word homo to slam bill parcells.
Another thing is i found nothing wrong with what shockey said the first time, i don't agree with any slurs such as faggot or queer, but there aint a damn thing wrong with a straight person feeling uncomfortable around homosexuals, Especially in locker room enviroments, Now i'm not uncomfortable around gays, but i wouldn't want to undress around them or shower with em', that dosent mean i hate gays does it?? it's just a situation i'd prefer not to be in.
I think alot of the gay community are jumping the gun with shockey and just assuming that he has this "hatred" for anyone homosexual, that's not fair, sure I know the guy can have a big mouth and isent the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's not the second coming of adolf hitler just because he'd prefer not to shower with gays.
I do however think he's wrong abou not wanting gay teammates, well i'm sure he's had gay teammates and just not known about it, nothing wrong with gay athletes but there are things that could and should be done as soon as a few more come public, such as having a seperate locker room and shower etc, etc, I'd like to know what some of the people in the gay community would think about that.
Welcome to Outsports, we get new first-timer straight guys here every time Mr. Shockey has a flareup of his foot in mouth disease.
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I think alot of the gay community are jumping the gun with shockey and just assuming that he has this \"hatred\" for anyone homosexual, that's not fair, sure I know the guy can have a big mouth and isent the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's not the second coming of adolf hitler just because he'd prefer not to shower with gays.
I don't think he hates us gays, I think he IS one! eek! If he's not one, we sure are on his mind an awful lot in an abnormally public kind of way. It's just not normal, not even for an Okie.
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I do however think he's wrong abou not wanting gay teammates, well i'm sure he's had gay teammates and just not known about it, nothing wrong with gay athletes but there are things that could and should be done as soon as a few more come public, such as having a seperate locker room and shower etc, etc, I'd like to know what some of the people in the gay community would think about that.
I'm sure Shockey has played with some gay athletes and showered with them too. He seems to have survived it well so far.
Why all the insecurity by straight men to shower in front of gay men? Guess what, we don't have sex every time we get in a shower after the game any more than you do. (Just on those \"special\" Gay Holidays.) wink
Football is a team sport. Don't you think a team that acts like a team would use the same locker room? I'm curious as to what else you would suggest in addition to the seperate locker rooms that would make straight athletes more comfortable and at ease competing with gay athletes? What else can we offer up to be included in the Straight Club of Sports? Put big pink triangles on the helmets of the gay ones, so no one in the crowd confuses a straight one to be gay?
Do we need seperate reporters? Gay reporters for the Gay Locker Room and Straight for the Straights? What do we do with the lady reporters? Hmmm...best dressed to the gay locker and soooo last year's fashion to the straight side.
I'll tell you what gets this gay all riled up about Shockey's periodic homophobic comments, it's the media attention and coverage he gets and the delight it must bring to his agents. Why would I sit back and quietly condone such behavior? To ignore it is to agree with those kinds of remarks. Kids emulate his behavior and grow up to be worse (if that's possible).
BurrellWorld5: I'm straight, and have absolutley nothing against homosexuals, i was raised around homosexuality having two aunts who are lesbians, i've always thought nothing was wrong with it, that's just the way it is.
But i'd seriously like to know why the majority of homosexuals get all riled up over things like what jeremy shockey \"supposedly\" says.
I say supposedly because in all honesty i don't believe he said what the writer says he did and i'll tell you why.
A) The magazine says they have his comment on tape, so spare me your \"I don't believe he said it\" stuff. Plus, he has a track record of foot-in-mouth disease so he's lost the benefit of the doubt. Jeremy Shockey is a jackass. C) EVERYONE--gay or straight or everything in between--should get \"all riled up\" when a jackass makes a derogatory comment.
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but there aint a damn thing wrong with a straight person feeling uncomfortable around homosexuals, Especially in locker room enviroments, Now i'm not uncomfortable around gays, but i wouldn't want to undress around them or shower with em', that dosent mean i hate gays does it??
It just means you're Jeremy Shockey.
If there's one locker room for a team, or one locker room in a gym, EVERYONE has the right to use it. If YOU'RE uncomfortable, and you have no rational reason for being so, then LEAVE.
I agree with you to an extent that there are people in the gay community that go around with a chip on their shoulder but on quite a few occasions, I think it's quite justified. Anyway, I had to comment on what you wrote about seperate lockers and showers. I think it's a big misconception among straight people, men in particular, that all gay men will find all men attractive, period. You and I know that people will always have different tastes. What a heterosexual woman will find attractive in George Clooney, a gay man will find attractive in, say Gabe Kapler or Jason Sehorn. What a gay man will find attractive in Javier Lopez, a straight woman will find atractive in Brad Pitt. And for straight men and lesbians, it's the same deal. What a straight man finds attractive in Anna Kournikova, a lesbian will find it in Annika Sorenstam(did I spell her name right? sorry if I didn't). You said you're straight. Admit it, every beautiful woman you see, you're probably wondering what she looks like with her clothes off, correct? Hey, it's cool because I'll tell you right now, I do the same thing with good-looking guys! But there are women you know for a fact you wouldn't want to see, correct? Hey, it's the same feeling over here! Don't automatically assume that a gay guy is being getting a treat with a straight undressing because chances are he's probably not that guy's type. As for Jeremy Shockey, I think he has a right to say what he wants, but so do the people who denounce him as well. I thought it was interesting that in your thread you said that just because he doesn't want a gay teammate, doesn't mean he's going to call anyone a homo. Dude, come on. Let's not pretend that we don't know that the biggest insult a guy can put on another guy is to question his sexuality. I'm not saying that he said it, I still think the reporter might, and I say might, have had another agenda but that's another thread, but considering his past behavior(I'm referring to his Howard Stern appearance) I wouldn't be surprised had he said it. Personally, since I'm not a Giants fan anyway, I really don't care for him or his statements. But I can understand the feelings that many in the gay community feel when they have to listen to that. By the way, I noticed that you just registered with the site, Welcome!
Burrell the fact you still use the word homosexuals shows you're not really up on the new lingo. It's like sexual preference.
Why should people be upset? He gets away with it. If someone would use a racial slur they'd be done. Why is still ok for sports radio to make fun of gays and use the words homo, queer, or fag? I listen to chicago sports radio and they always are using those words. It's just not appropriate.
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First it's the media's fault because, according to Shockey and his agent, the comments were "taken out of context." Now, however, when it comes out that the reporter has the comments on tape, Shockey blames his frients for using the word "homo" to describe Parcells. Huh?
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I was listening to a NY sports radio show yesterday, and the hosts said that Shockey's dad left him and his brother when they were very young. The host suggested that maybe Shockey was displacing his 'abandonment issues' onto Parcells.
A little armchair psychologizing maybe :confused: but maybe somewhat true!
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fantomas: CITT, do you mean \"moron\"? \"Maroons\" actually were usually non-white enslaved runaways (or their white allies) who set up independent communities for their people and battled the established government, slaveowners, and so on. I can't see any association whatsoever with this blond cretin.
I'm embarrassed to admit that I was not familiar with that definition of the term "maroon," even though it's definition #1 in my unabridged dictionary. As Joe in Philly pointed out, I was using a line from Bugs Bunny. I can understand that the use of the more historic definition bizarrely changes the meaning of my post about Shockey's imbecility.
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Well now Jeremy has apologized! You know, for the comments he didn't make! :confused: He says it was in jest and taken out of context. What a knucklehead! From ESPN.com:
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Jeremy Shockey apologized Saturday for his comments about Dallas Cowboys coach Bill Parcells, but the outspoken Giants tight end insisted his words were in jest and taken out of context.
\"I apologize for everything I said that offended people,\" Shockey said Saturday at training camp. \"I really, at the time, it was a laughing matter for me and I was just having fun with it.
\"All the stuff I say is just how I am. ... It was fun and games.\"
\"Sometimes I have to learn the hard way,\" Shockey said. \"Sometimes that's the best way and I am going to be as plain as possible. You'll probably never hear me say an outrageous thing ever again. I'll probably never talk to you again.\"
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Look I could care less about "new lingo's" and being politically correct, a midget is a midget not a little person, I can't see why any of you guys would take exception to someone using the word "homosexual"
And the fact that i'd feel uncomfortable showering with gays has nothing to do with the fact that i'd be worried they'd find me attractive, thats not it at all, thats just the way it is with some straight guys trust me it dosent mean i hate gays, I mean there are straight people who would rather have a doctor of the same sex for reasons of comfort, does that mean they're gay?? it's not discrimination to prefer not to shower with someone straight or gay, and it has nothing to do on my part at least with fear.
And who ever called me "shockey" this is just an example of what i meant about jumping the gun, I didn't attack anyone, yet i got some guy comparing me to a bonehead like jeremy shockey, whats that all about?? should it's as if i came in here spouting slurs? it seems to me some of you guys will hate on anybody who dosent agree with your views %100.
Like i said and i'll use this next expression as to not piss anyone off, someones "sexual preference" dosent matter to me, Now i'm not a bad looking guy and when lived in a small town where if you were gay you'd be beaten and chased out, I've had gay guys hit on me and some of my friends wanted to beat the shit out of em', i told them to grow up, theres no need for that blind hatred. i'd even buy the guy a drink and explain to him that i'm straight, i took a lot of heat from my friends, but in the end i could care less what their outdated opinions are on homosexuality, but just because you'd rather not hop in a shower with someone whos gay dosent mean you're discriminating against them.
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BurrellWorld5: Look I could care less about \"new lingo's\" and being politically correct, a midget is a midget not a little person, I can't see why any of you guys would take exception to someone using the word \"homosexual\"
That would be some of us guys take exception at you for not using the "new lingo." I'm gay and I can't keep up with acceptable terminology: like when "queer" stopped being a bad thing and morphed into a good word. I can't keep up and I don't even try.
To answer your original question: why get riled up about Shockey? Some of us don't like when people equate gay (or homosexual) with bad. The sports marketing industry has decided to cram this rube down our (America's) throats. And, given a platform, Shockey misses no opportunity to use insult gay America, whether it be directly (not wanting any gay teammates) or indirectly ("homo" as the worst insult he can hurl). So, when we yell about Shockey - we just want him hurled into glorious anonymity. We're not asking him to be banned from the NFL, just banned from our radio dials and magazine covers like most NFL tight ends are.
And, as for the comment about you being Shockey, I think the writer of that remark was indicating, rightly or wrongly, that you share personality attributes with Shockey. Your writing style is far too articulate for you to have had any past association with the University of Miami and its football program. wink
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Funny BurrellWorld5, the more you write, the more full of shit I think you are. What on earth compelled you to come to this site anyway? Just the shower question? Please explain in more detail the reason you are uncomfortable showering with gays. Cooties?
BTW, "sexual preference" is a totally assinine label. We don't "prefer" to be gay, we just are gay. If you want to continue to come off as the highly enlightened person you CLAIM you are about gays, you might want to learn the term "sexual orientation". It's NOT a "lifestyle" or "preference" it's just who we are. Did you choose to be straight or just prefer it over being gay? Sweet-n-Low is OK, but I prefer Equal. If there's no Equal, the pink packet will do in a pinch.
I think MEN who prefer MALE doctors are totally gay. What gay guy wants their prostate checked by a woman? We like to have sex during medical exams too.
PS: Now that Shockey has denied it first, then declared he was mis-quoted and NOW has apologized for his remarks, I was curious if you are convinced it was not an evil gay agenda setup now? I mean, afterall you said (and I'm quoting):
"What reasons on earth would shockey have to call parcells a homo??there are none, just because shockey claims he wouldnt want a gay teammate dosent mean he goes around calling everybody a homo when he's upset with them, this whole thing sounds like a setup, the guy says he has him on tape, well until i hear it from his mouth i dont believe it, he probably called him something but i have trouble believing shockey would use the word homo to slam bill parcells."
Maybe you can provide us with answers to your questions.
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"someones "sexual preference" dosent matter to me," (BurrellWorld)
Really? Let's see. Shockey story comes out. BurrellWorld makes a bee-line to Outsports (a gay sports community site). BW signs up. BW has 2 posts dealing with Shockey topic.
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Kudos to Bobby Knight for taking Shockey to task and calling his intolerable comments "garbage" on Sporting News radio....even if Knight was not a longtime friend of Parcells (going back to their days together at West Point 30+ years ago) I have little doubt that the General would speak out strongly against a selfish bigot like Shockey....Knight went out to say "You can't even consider a reaction to some garbage like that. That is just beyond anything you need to recognize....Was that the same team (Shockey's Giants) that had a 28-7 lead over the 49ers last year and then got beat?....what else do you want to talk about?"
While I commend Jim Fassel for immediately speaking out against Shockey's indefensible comments yesterday, I still think the Giants did not act strongly enough (either following last season's incident or this latest one) in disciplining the homophobe and making him an example that the organization will NOT tolerate such idiocy from any player, regardless of how "valuable" he may be perceived to be on the field....as for the Eagles lineman on SportsCenter last night saying Shockey's "enormous talent" outweighs his mouth and earns him the respect of his teammates and opponents alike that is almost as absurd as J.S.'s comments themselves ....geez, he had a total of TWO touchdowns all last season and averaged a whopping 4.6 catches per game for 12 yards per catch! eek! ....from the statement of that idiot, you would think Shockey was a Hall of Fame caliber player who had been in the league for 10 years (not that even those accomplishments on the field would justify such behavior, of course).
IMHO professional sports needs more no-nonsense "old school" disciplinarians like Knight and Lombardi to put these young, egotistical athletes in line....the coaches nowadays who are making less money than their players and act as if they are fearful of irritating or upsetting their "stars" are as much a cause of this epidemic as the bigots themselves who are spouting their garbage to any microphone within earshot....I say next time Shockey or Hearst utters such trash suspend em for four games WITHOUT PAY and see if these incidents continue to occur with the frequency they have in recent years.
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BurrellWorld5: And the fact that i'd feel uncomfortable showering with gays has nothing to do with the fact that i'd be worried they'd find me attractive, thats not it at all, thats just the way it is with some straight guys trust me it dosent mean i hate gays,
Noone is saying you hate gays for not feeling comfortable showering with them. It is another matter if you would impose requirements on gay men that you would not on other men who make you feel uncomfortable whether in the shower or elsewhere.
That discomfort IMO is a learned behavior, not an immutable trait. You can overcome discomfort if you wish. I could not "overcome" being gay any more than you could "overcome" being straight.
I don't want a separate shower to prevent me from upsetting straight guys who know I'm gay. I think if you thought about it you would realize how unnecessary your discomfort is.
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First off props to charlie in the trees and sporting life for being mature and not attacking me for no reason.
As for hornfan and ironjock, you guys both seem to have a stick up your ass about a straight guy posting on this site. -------------------------------------------------- Funny BurrellWorld5, the more you write, the more full of shit I think you are. What on earth compelled you to come to this site anyway? Just the shower question? Please explain in more detail the reason you are uncomfortable showering with gays. Cooties? --------------------
Well the more you write the more of a bitter prick with a chip on your shoulder i think you are, what compelled me to come to this site?? Do i need your permission?? If you must know either espn or cnnsi had a link regarding the shockey story and i figured i'd check out what was being said, is that o.k. with you? it's not like i came in here preaching about the "so called evils" alot of morons do regarding SEXUAL ORIANTATION!!!! Does that stop you from acting like a complete ass****?? No, I asked a simple question and you lump me in with shockey and john rocker.
You want details as to why i'd be uncomfortable showering with gays?? thats a tough one because i feel uncomfable showering with anyone with the exception of my girlfriend, i did'nt like showering with my teammates in high-school either, i guess thats just the way i am, but when it comes to the idea of showering with someone who's gay, i guess you could say for a straight person, right or wrong the thought of the gay person looking them up and down would be in the back of their mind, and it would make them uncomfortable, whether or not the gay person is checking you out dosent matter, that's just how certain straight people feel, does it have anything to do with hatred??? no!! is it discriminating?? no!! what right do you have to say i'm wrong for being uncomfortable about it?? -------------------------------------------------
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Did I say you prefer to be gay?? As far as the highly enlightened person I CLAIM to be regarding gays, are implying that i'm just another gay bashing ass**** that decided to log onto this site to give you guys grief?? I could care less what you think when it comes to how i relate to gays, I've been around gays all my life and never thought different than to treat them as i would anyone else, and in case you didn't catch my post above that includes showering with them. You can believe what you want but you're the one stooping to calling me a "troll" and saying i'm full of shit, So I 'll treat just like i would anyone else who says i'm full of shit for speaking my mind, Go f**k yourself!
"someones "sexual preference" dosent matter to me," (BurrellWorld)
Really? Let's see. Shockey story comes out. BurrellWorld makes a bee-line to Outsports (a gay sports community site). BW signs up. BW has 2 posts dealing with Shockey topic.
Yet - 'sexual preference' doesn't matter to you?
You're a troll - nothing more!
And that is not being politically correct on my part either! -------------------
So from this post i'm gathering you do indeed have a problem with people from the straight community commenting about certain topics on YOUR site, talk about being discriminate. What exactly was it about my post that was so out of line that you decided to deem me a troll??
You want to talk about other topics? i'm game but first you have to drop the holier than thou attitude which makes me think...
You're an ass****, nothing more. --------------------------------------------------
Parcells' a homo - said Shockey
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Jeremy Shockey is a jackass.