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This story has heated up after the Indy Star wrote about Dungy's March 20 speech. I posted a column about it.
Also, Outsports was quoted in the Indy Star, which led to these posts on their board: My fave is Poster 3:
Poster 1: Outsports is just a anti-Christian values website that picked on Dungy because he is high profile.
Poster 2: Outsports isn't "anti-Christian values", that is too broad of a statement. What they are against, however, are the specific "Christian values" that promote discrimination against certain human beings.
Poster 3: Is Outsports a sports site or not? Apparently not. Why is it promoting its own political agenda? Look around the site - it is a gay site. At least Tony is honest in his Christian beliefs and position. Outsports is apparently trying to cloak its true purpose : attract young males using sports as a demographic filter.
Poster 4: Outsports' own description of their site off of Google: "Sports and gay athletes and sports fans: information on jocks, sports news and more. We encompass the sporting passions of gay and lesbian sports fans"
It seems as though they are very upfront about who they are and what they represent to me. Are suggesting that the site is trying to bring in males and convert them to the gay lifestyle? Because from your post it sure seems that way.
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This is why I find guys like Tony Dungy so much more dangerous to us than schmucks like Tim Hardaway or John Rocker. Generally people don't respect dunderheads like Hardaway and Rocker. Dungy is always being called classy and a gentleman. F**k him and the colt he rode in on.
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Ditto, GTF!
I have much more respect for guys like Rocker and Hardaway, who are blatant in their hatred. It's people like Dungy who hide their hatred for all things homosexual that scare me more.
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QUOTE(Jim at Outsports @ Mar 12 2007, 12:45 PM)
Cyd and I each have been interviewed by Focus on the Family, James Dobson's group, me for an article and Cyd for radio.
I hope you both recorded your interviews. I can only imagine how they'll distort your words for whatever forums the interviews will appear in. Doing interviews with them isn't the same as being interviewed by a radio station or newspaper. Frankly, I'm not sure I would have wasted the time.
QUOTE(George Twins fan @ Mar 12 2007, 07:48 AM)
Dungy is always being called classy and a gentleman. F**k him and the colt he rode in on.
The colt he rode in on? You mean Peyton Manning?
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Certainly disappointed that Tony Dungy is a part of a group that is anti-gay and that he has anti-gay sentiments but it doesn't lessen my joy in his Super Bowl win. I can separate what the man does on the business side from what he does in his personal life. He has not made any anti-gay statements that I know of in reference to gays in the NFL or sports in general, but it would be interested to hear his thoughts if someone interviews him about gays in sports.
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QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Mar 12 2007, 06:05 PM)
I can separate what the man does on the business side from what he does in his personal life.
As I see it...
It shows him on the sidelines and identifies him as Colts' head coach. That makes it business. They're not honoring just some guy named Tony.
The NFL is quick enough to stop churches from using the words "Super Bowl" to promote a church fundraiser. Why do they allow their team's logo and name to be displayed by bigots?
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Focus on the Family article is up. Not that I was misquoted but he used a fraction of what I told him. The IFI is a political group as its own mission statement says.
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QUOTE(Joe in Philly @ Mar 12 2007, 08:11 PM)
As I see it...
It shows him on the sidelines and identifies him as Colts' head coach. That makes it business. They're not honoring just some guy named Tony.
The NFL is quick enough to stop churches from using the words "Super Bowl" to promote a church fundraiser. Why do they allow their team's logo and name to be displayed by bigots?
But was that Tony's doing? Did he make the invitation or was that the group he is a part of?
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The motivation for the so-called Christian Right is not altruism but the bottom line. That bottom line is money to support a corrupt hierarchy.
If they are to be opposed by anything it will be the denial of that bottom line. The best people to do that are the football players themselves in the case of people like Tony Dungy.
Jim, have you and Cyd interviewed anyone associated with Dungy's football organization and had an opportunity to ask them how they feel about Dungy's support of a homophobic organization, whether he believes in their homophobic works personally, and whether those individuals also support those aspects of those homophobic organizations?
If their church can interview you maybe someone in the Colts organization could return the favor.
They need to have their homophobia put on record, if indeed it exists.
That is what made Hardaway's words so harmful - to him more than to others - and the best weapon we have right now.
Shine a little light on their little caves and there might be some roses that will bloom among the fungus there.
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From an e-mail I received:
Mr. Buzinski, you just sound like a ruffian who likes to force your perversions on others, especially those of the Christian persuasion.
But, let it be known to you and your cronies that the promoters and supporters of homosexuals, abortionists or the proponents of legalized premeditated murder, bisexuals, transgenders, fornicators, adulterers, child molesters, and the corrupters of truth, that the Church of Jesus Christ have begun to purge America from the reprobate offspring’s of Satan. The Church is retaking America in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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I am so sick of tolerating bigotry in any fashion. I used to try to be objective like mdterp and separate things- but I can no longer do so.
Insert Mike K. from Duke, or any white coach speaking at a fundraiser for some outpost of the KKK- what would you say? Its racism- its wrong- etc., etc. Which is exactly the right answer!!!
What we should be doing is having a peaceful protest outside these fundraisers and telling bigotry to frick off... it just is not acceptable any more.
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Great work, Cy, Jim and all the good people at OutSports.com.
However, rather than compare Dungy's association with the group to Bush's or McCain's appreances at Bob Jones University, I would suggest that a better analogy would be some of those golfers who belonged to private private golf courses that did not allow blacks, Jews, etc. as members.
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QUOTE(Jim at Outsports @ Mar 13 2007, 05:49 PM)
Mr. Buzinski, you just sound like a ruffian who likes to force your perversions on others, especially those of the Christian persuasion.
But, let it be known to you and your cronies that the promoters and supporters of homosexuals, abortionists or the proponents of legalized premeditated murder, bisexuals, transgenders, fornicators, adulterers, child molesters, and the corrupters of truth, that the Church of Jesus Christ have begun to purge America from the reprobate offspring’s of Satan. The Church is retaking America in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Ahem, PURGE?
Reminds me of holocaust in hypocritical fashion. And they put that in the same sentence as 'legalized premeditated murder'.
And to think that this is one of MANY mails you receive, Jim, I admire your strength to read them, let alone keeping a calm demeanor. Is that what age and experience bring?
Back to the topic: Wasn't Tony Dungy recently had a loss in his family? I wonder if that takes part in his... motivation, to participate in a family-oriented party.
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QUOTE(Anzana @ Mar 13 2007, 08:21 PM)
Great work, Cy, Jim and all the good people at OutSports.com.
However, rather than compare Dungy's association with the group to Bush's or McCain's appreances at Bob Jones University, I would suggest that a better analogy would be some of those golfers who belonged to private private golf courses that did not allow blacks, Jews, etc. as members.
Excellent anaolgy.
Most discrimination is passive. It is not good people keeping quiet and benefiting (as they see it) from doing so, but ignorant people doing things that they wrongly believe are ethical and moral when it is just the opposite.
These religious organizations seek to improve peoples lives by changing them to suit a model they believe is right, not realizing that, through their ignorance of what the person is before, they can not possibly know whether that individual was ok as he/she was.
Another analogy might be changing everyone to the same color to eliminate discrimination. It will never work. Discrimination itself is the problem and folks would just find some other arbitrary reason to practice it. We simply have to learn to see beyond the superficial and understand what really constitutes ethical acts.
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Well, Dungy spoke at the dinner, raised $70,000 for the anti-gay group, said he opposes same-sex marriage and supports the anti-gay group's position on gay rights, and intimated (strongly) that gay people are not on "the Lord's side."
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Makes you wonder about whether his son committed suicide because he might have been gay. If you were growing up in a household where you constantly heard gay people weren't on "the Lord's side", what would that do to your pysche? It's all just speculation, of course, but the pieces sure do fit.
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I am just disappointed that the NFL and Indianapolis Colts permitted a picture of him while working to be utilized in the adverstisement.
I think they should have had to have a non-working picture to be utilized in the media to advertise this speaking engagement....
Otherwise their silence implies agreement with the message....
Ugh- life really sucks. I wonder if Tony Dungy has ever really sat down with someone whom he knows is gay and had a real conversation about what being gay really is......
I am so sick of people saying that GLBT lifestyles are a flippin choice. I mean, c'mon- people would not logically make this choice- people are going to be who they are- the Lord made us this way... that is absolute- we are the mother f**kin' Lord's way, Tony... He made us- so either you or He is wrong, and it ain't Him.
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Jim and Cyd, I admire your ability to stay professional and even-handed regarding distressing and disappointing issues such as this one. I, for one, am simply too emotional sometimes to not get overtly frustrated.
Having said that, isn't it mind blowing that even professional sports are tainted and disturbed by the heavy handedness of extreme religion. I mean, can you believe this guy said "The Lord orchestrated this." I wonder if Dungy's son's suicide pushed him over the edge into this blind faith arena where pain and trauma are sedated with "the Lord." I imagine a parent must go through the most debilitating kind of agony when they lose their child like that. If indeed there's some truth to his son possibly having been gay, he may even blame the suicide on the "homosexual" thing. Regardless of where this fundamentalism comes from, you can't force these people out of their haze...You can't convince someone who doesn't think they're mentally ill that they need to become well...Milllions have been killed in the name of the Lord...Dungy's energy and point of view, while perhaps not as extreme, is basically that kind of extremism. That Dobson guy is fanatical, an extremist...His views having nothing to do with love and spirituality.
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Jim and Cyd, I admire your ability to stay professional and even-handed with disappointing issues such as this one. I, for one, am simply too emotional sometimes to not get overtly frustrated.
Having said that, isn't it mind blowing that even professional sports are tainted and disturbed by the heavy handedness of extreme religion. I mean, can you believe this guy said "The Lord orchestrated this." I wonder if Dungy's son's suicide pushed him over the edge into this blind faith arena where pain and trauma are sedated with "the Lord." I imagine a parent must go through the most debilitating kind of agony when they lose their child like that. If indeed there's some truth to his son possibly having been gay, he may even blame the suicide on the "homosexual" thing. Regardless of where this fundamentalism comes from, you can't force these people out of their haze...You can't convince someone who doesn't think they're mentally ill that they need to become well...Milllions have been killed in the name of the Lord...Dungy's energy and point of view, while perhaps not as extreme, is basically that kind of extremism. That Dobson guy is fanatical, an extremist...His views having nothing to do with love and spirituality.
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QUOTE(ktwdallas @ Mar 21 2007, 02:09 PM)
Makes you wonder about whether his son committed suicide because he might have been gay. If you were growing up in a household where you constantly heard gay people weren't on "the Lord's side", what would that do to your pysche? It's all just speculation, of course, but the pieces sure do fit.
Don't know if the son was gay, but his father's a scumbag.
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QUOTE(ktwdallas @ Mar 21 2007, 07:09 PM)
Makes you wonder about whether his son committed suicide because he might have been gay. If you were growing up in a household where you constantly heard gay people weren't on "the Lord's side", what would that do to your pysche? It's all just speculation, of course, but the pieces sure do fit.
Then again, were there any reports of Dungy's son being alcoholic or a drug addict? As much as I would like to go that route, speculating on why Dungy's son committed suicide is counterproductive.
The feelings I have toward Dungy are the same feelings I had about the late Reggie White. While I admire their contributions on the football field, I strongly disagree with their religious beliefs.
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