The deniers don't care about empirical evidence...that's just science.

All I can say is that I just dug myself out of another 12 inches or more of snow. Did it a week and a half ago, too. Typical winter for me, and no need for the gym today!

All I can say is that I just dug myself out of another 12 inches or more of snow. Did it a week and a half ago, too. Typical winter for me, and no need for the gym today!

This is such a crock of crap from someone desperate to try and convince people of that which does not exist. It's getting warm: "Global Warming!" It's getting cold and snowy: "Global Warming!" The GW alarmists knew they looked like fools when things began to get colder and snowier, so what did they do? They ran around trying to convince everyone that colder = "Global Warming."

Any halfwit can see that ANY climate change is going to be attributed to the mythical scam known as "Global Warming." The earth gets warm; the earth gets cold. Summers are hotter than normal; they're cooler than normal. Winters are brutal; winters are mild. It's all a part of what's been going on for millennia on this planet, regardless of our existence.

Maybe, maybe not....we've had several of the the all-time hottest years recently. Records. And remember, it's not just the weather in Illinois that's in question here. There's the Arctic which has lost record amounts of ice, glaciers disappearing, etc... But we're not going to let pesky facts get in the way.

Call me when palm trees grow in the Arctic.

Oh, wait! That happened once before. When it was MUCH warmer. When Man wasn't around.

NOTHING Man can do can affect the climate on a global scale. Nothing. Period.

In fact, a well-respected Accuweather meteorologist has detailed how Earth is actually cooling and not warming. As the founder of The Weather Channel has repeatedly explained in well-documented, analytical and specific detail, only the sun can affect Earth's climate on a global scale.

Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, is unconnected.

That's why you're so naive. Perhaps one day you may realize that this 3rd rock from the Sun, a rock so perfectly positioned to sustain life, sees things happen simply because they just do.

a) Apparently this turned into a Politics & Religion thread.
2) If things happen because they just do, I guess that means God doesn't exist, right?

You know, you're right. Shame on those guys above who did that.



He just sits back and lets nature take its course.

edited...felt too snarky

Perhaps you are referring to the phenomenon described in this article in which one possible cause is speculated to have been much higher volcanic activity boosting the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere.

I don't know of a comparison of volcanic activity now and several thousand years ago. There is some evidence that there is currently increasing reporting of volcanoes.

Well for the first time in two years we actually have snow on the ground that did not melt within 3-4 days here in Toronto. About 5-6" on the ground now. Whether it is global warming or not - I won't get into that can of worms. What is true though that Canada just had our 14th consecutive year of above average temps and 2010 was the warmest of them all according to Environment Canada. I used to park my bike Mid November to March. Last winter I only parked my bike 3 days. (I won't risk riding on snowy or icy streets). So far this winter - parked for 2 weeks.

And something seems to be happening out there. The Earth in 2010 experienced temperatures higher than the 20th century average for the 34th year in a row, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said. And here in Canada regions in Northeast Canada for the month of December were an incredible 18F warmer than average for the month. Why you might ask. Well the thinking is the shrinking thinner Arctic ice cap may be to blame for such a huge difference. According to those who study these things "acts like a blanket, insulating the atmosphere from the ocean’s heat. Take away that blanket, and the heat can escape into the atmosphere, increasing local surface temperatures."

Sorry, but there were many years warmer than 2005.

Much ado about nothing.

Well, CC, I sure hope you are right. Call me when Lake Michigan reaches Harlem Avenue.

It is definitely hat and scarf weather here in Michigan...Brrrrrrr

His body can keep me warm. But his face gives me the chills.

It's the hat,Aaron! Those are intense bedroom eyes letting you know that you will not soon forget a night spent with him. Grrrrr

Looks like 2010 wasn't the hottest after all.

Damn. It's rough being correct all the time. Alas, it is a cross I am so selflessly willing to bear.

Layoff the drugs CC....seriously Fox News as a source? Even they don't contend their factual.

I was so waiting for someone to dispute this solely because it appeared on FOX News's web site. That is completely irrelevant and you know it. They simply compiled and reported the information that most of the other outlets are sitting on. Besides, they're reporting what the UN's climate folks seem to have concluded, too, and the UN sure ain't no right-wing bastion of information.

Oh, and I posted this before I just popped a Vicadin. It didn't kick in until after I replied. So there!

See, even sober CC knows Fox is biased. They're masters at cherry picking bits and pieces and twisting it into their "news"

The UN's climate scientists, Joe Bastardi of Accuweather, et. al. are scientists not to be ignored in this nonsensical GW debate. The fact that FOX News reported it is irrelevant.

I would tend to think the data on global temperature trends from NASA are reasonably dependable:


Reading the entire article is interesting, but the summary is that scientists agree that the earth's temperature is rising; with a slight drop during the period from 1940 to 1970. And most agree that the cause is man-made. How recent weather patterns have come about is another debate. The distribution of the two primary fluids that determine where heat is transferred are the cause.

The lighter fluid air is the one we feel most being terrestrial creatures. But the air also interchanges energy with the heavier fluid water. The question is where has the temperature increase historically come from.? Most theories seem to assume that it is primarily coming from the sun. I don't know of any that try to calculate whether a significant amount could be coming from release from the earth's interior.

Geothermal activity is less monitored than solar activity. We know relatively little about what is happening at the bottom of the earth's seas, where it does not benefit us economically. Deep sea drilling may both tell us more about that and at the same time have an impact on it. We may depend on the good faith of Exxons.

So it's the sun, huh?!? Damn that thing! We have GOT to stop causing it to get so hot!

Now, now, even you know it's not the temperature of the sun, but the quality of our protection from the sun.

That has nothing to do with the sun's increase in cosmic radiation, which directly affects Earth's temperature.

Please re-read my post. I specifically and carefully left open the possibility that the earth's own geothermal energy might possibly be the source of some of the warming.

The proportion, as far as I know, is unknown.

Currently those scientists most familiar with the best data available think our activity is the primary cause of the supplemental temperature increase caused in the graph above over the past 100 years.

We just don't know enough to say for certain IMO.

While some alarmists are willing to make definitive declarations volcanos and other geothermal energy releases under the sea are not sufficiently documentable given the current technology.

It's as though we know we have some serious tooth sensitivity to temperature change due to enamel loss; but the dentist doesn't know whether it's caused by an infection under the tooth, wearing away of the enamel on the tooth by not brushing or wearing away of the enamel due to using a brush that is far too hard.

Great analogy sportinlife.

I just wish we could send all the climate deniers to Australia where they can deny any change all the while dealing with increased skin cancer.

Speaking of Australia, we may be fortunate that the precipitation in the USA is coming down during our winter and mostly as snow. That gives us alternative means and more time to deal with the disposal.

Semi-tropical northern Australia is experiencing some of its highest rainfall levels in many years. It is too early to make historical comparisons since there hasn't yet been a long enough break in the rainfall to establish an end to it.

But my partner sent me some quite remarkable footage of a flashflood that recently took place in Towoomba, west of Brisbane in the northern state of Queensland. I found myself wanting to scream "Don't do it !" when one guy suggesting moving the car.

Right now I suspect they don't much care whether it is due to global warming, but the Green party in that country has made significant increase in credibility on a platform which suggests just that.

As an island continent with relatively sophisticated meteroligical technology and a keen interest in using it, Australia has become something of an experimental testing ground for the consequences of climate change - regardless of its cause or causes. The Great Barrier Reef may be the most intensely studied, relatively unexploited undersea landscape on the whole planet.

Ultimately it just has to be remembered that there is a difference between weather and climate. It doesn't mean its never going to snow or get cold somewhere again. Its about the overall pattern.

Oh it's pointless for those who aren't open to facts. They have PROOF, via the ice cores from Greenland and other places, of carbon levels in the atmosphere, etc.... And it doesn't have to be a dramatic increase to cause all sorts of problems. Rising sea levels are one of the first major problems. Island nations, The Netherlands, Venice, are all either going to have to relocate or spend billions and billions to counteract the rising salt water let alone what it will do to ground water in places like Hawaii. Some of the consequences are severe in the long-term (planet annihilation) some are just really bad in the short-term. If we know the issue and could do something to counteract it, why wouldn't we want to?

Because these idiots are all corporate apologists worshiping at the false idol of capitalism.

Not that I have an opinion or anything.

Sigh, it sounds like it may be Michigan's turn to get clobbered with some major snow.

Yeah, they are going in over-time here as well, Eddie. Kinda silly, 48 hours in advance, and no one bothers to read the whole NWS press release, which clearly states the storm will hit south of I-72, in the Champaign, IL area. I sure hope it continues to track south, as predicted.

We just got rid of the 10" that fell a couple weeks ago, and now it looks like we could get it back here in StL - but it depends on when everything transitions. We're supposed to have freezing rain today - then sleet - and eventually snow sometime tomorrow - forecast is between 3 and 12

The expected frigid temperatures that will be following the snow storms are not very enticing either!

I'm hoping for lots of rain by Wednesday to wash this mess away...and hopefully without too much flooding.

Y'all stay safe and warm.

I like your thinking, Aaron! Any reason to display a hot man is a good enough reason for me! Thanks for the eye candy. CC, ease off those Norcos. You may develop cravings!

What the Midwest gets today, northern New England gets tomorrow. We'll get at least a foot of new snow. I just got a new pair of snowshoes, and school is sure to be cancelled, so bring it on!

It's all in your attitude, gentlemen.

Well Roberto, I have severe degenerative arthritis in both hips so snow and ice are no friend of mine.

Nor should they be. Stay home, wrap up in a blanket, read a novel, and make soup. (Note to self: don't invite Eddie to go snowshoeing.) :D

Well, I'm not dead, yet but that does sound good. However since I only live a mile from work, I'm pretty sure that I am expected to show up.

It's a comin and that wind is brutal. I hope we don't lose power!

Praying for you all.

Yesterday it was in the 70's here (SE Texas). This morning the storm came through and dropped the temperature 40 degrees.

I was in the shower when the power went out. Not very fun getting dressed in the dark, when the flashlight is upstairs. It will be in the 20's and 30's the rest of the week. There's a chance of snow later this week.

I am so greatful that I am not homeless! I just couldn't imagine having to be out there tonight. I hope these people who have animals do not let them freeze!

Well not so much snow but very cold and still very windy! Hating it! I walked down the front steps and there was about 6 inches of snow on each step, however when I stepped off the the last step I sunk into a 2 foot snow drift. Which was like that all the way to my car parked in the street. Not easy to do with two useless hips.

I've got 21" here.

Well, more evidence of so-called "Global Warming." We just got the 2nd worst snowfall in our history, but considering 1967's wasn't full of wind and drifts, the Blizzard of 2011 ranks as Chicago's worst snowstorm, surpassing 1967's in terms of drifts, winds, and other damage.

Remember when Global Warming wackos maintained that GW would result in fewer snowfalls? Well, now they're saying the opposite.

Snowfalls are a thing of the past. Uh huh.

Colder years ahead.

Even Greenpeace's founder says warming is a "natural phenomenon."

Why do you continue to hijack threads, CC? We are all VERY, VERY aware of your beliefs when it comes to global warming. Give it a rest, please. I can't get over at how long Lake Shore Drive has been closed...over 24 hours, up to 900 motorists stranded, some for as long as 12 hours. Conditions were so wicked that when people tried to flee the bus, they quickly returned as the became disoriented less than ten feet away from the bus. Oh, and bless the angel that shoveled my sidewalk. I hurt my back trying to remove a five-foot drift at my front door. I am so glad yesterday is over!