Okay, here is a Daily Howler piece, with cited names and facts, that that addresses THREE aspects of Bush's endless lying:
1) his military record
2) the WMD claims
3) his tax cuts and their economic effects
It also talks about his wearing of the flight suit during his highly politicized presentation on the warship, and MORE White House lies about how and why this whole thing was staged. As is well known, previous presidents WITH military experience refrained from politicizing their roles as commanders in chief; Eisenhower was one our great generals, while Kennedy was a genuine war hero. Carter had long naval service, etc. Yes Bush is the only one who has seen fit to gussy himself up in a uniform...the fascistic aspects of his behavior should be clear TO ALL.
Yet why are the media and most Americans so blind to what's happening RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES?
The Daily Howler: Caveat Lector
Full Version: Tying the Bush Lies Together
DAMN, for someone ya'all claim is soooo dumb, he always upstages ya doesnt he? Score one more on bushie.
You guys are starting to sound like the right-wing conspiracy against clinton in the 90's. Only this one isnt working.
You guys are starting to sound like the right-wing conspiracy against clinton in the 90's. Only this one isnt working.
But philly, the man is suuuucccchhhhh any easy target. 
"Upstaging" doesn't have much to do with brains... put me in a flight suit and I might look like Bill Pullman in "Independence Day" too. And though I have a "W" initial, it doesn't stand for AWOL.
W=Wheenie bill.
As usual you don't deal with substance. I think W. is probably the lyingest president I've lived through. Is there ANYTHING he tells the truth about? I bet he hasn't opened the Bible on his own in years, and I am increasingly convinced that wasn't a pretzel but a beerbottle top he choked on. Now he's landing in flight suits and pretending once again to be a "veteran." I mean, at least Reagan had the excuse of being a trained actor who was on the cusp of having Alzheimers, while Clinton was a lawyer....
Next month he's gonna be at the helm when the boats docks, then lead the troops off it holding a flag...
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PhillyFan:
DAMN, for someone ya'all claim is soooo dumb, he always upstages ya doesnt he?
Have you ever heard of Karl Rove?
DAMN, for someone ya'all claim is soooo dumb, he always upstages ya doesnt he?
Maybe if W. get's a second term, he'll start wearing a military uniform (ala Castro & Sadaam) on a daily basis instead of only in his dreams (and in political ads at the government's expense). 
[ May 06, 2003, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: HornFan ]
[ May 06, 2003, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: HornFan ]
Wasn't there a democratic vice presidential candidate who was pilloried for videotape of him in a tank used for his political campaign?
It was said by "pundits" to have contributed to his lose. I don't think this will be the case for George W. Bush, though I think what he has done is equally cynical.
It was said by "pundits" to have contributed to his lose. I don't think this will be the case for George W. Bush, though I think what he has done is equally cynical.
From Sportinlife:
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Wasn't there a democratic vice presidential candidate who was pilloried for videotape of him in a tank used for his political campaign?
I think you're referring to Democratic presidential candidate Mike Dukakis in 1988, riding in a tank. And he really did look like a dork.
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PhillyFan:
Next month he's gonna be at the helm when the boats docks, then lead the troops off it holding a flag...
If Big Daddy Rove tells him to.
Next month he's gonna be at the helm when the boats docks, then lead the troops off it holding a flag...
Media AWOL in noting irony of Bush's flight
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/showcas...077may06.column
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/showcas...077may06.column
Bush is a friend to the military...
Kerry, will cut the military. Just the way it is kids.
Kerry, will cut the military. Just the way it is kids.
A "friend to the military" is, of course, one who stuffs the budget with wasteful boondoggles and pursues a new "defensive" war based on lies every year.
Lose the condescending "kids," kid.
Lose the condescending "kids," kid.
sorry old man, i mean mature gentleman.
There are a couple good places to fill in the other holes in W's record:
This one is all about his AWOL service record
This is a summary of his whole résumé of \"achievements\"
And this is a picture of the Texas two-step:
This one is all about his AWOL service record
This is a summary of his whole résumé of \"achievements\"
And this is a picture of the Texas two-step:
OlympicFan, you rock!!! I've got to post this list, because it's so incredible--so incredibly awful! Thanks to you and to the Houston Coalition for Justice not War. He is the WORST president we've ever had--and with Millard Fillmore, Warren Harding, and Andrew Johnson in the mix, that's saying something.
From the site:
Accomplishments as president
a.. Attacked and took over two countries.
b.. Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
c.. Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
d.. Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
e.. Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
f.. First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
g.. First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
h.. First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
i.. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
j.. Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
k.. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
l.. Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than anypresident in US history.
m.. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
n.. Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
o.. Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than anypresident since the advent of television.
p.. Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
q.. Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
r.. Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
s.. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
t.. Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
u.. Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
v.. My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
w.. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oiltanker named after her).
x.. First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
y.. Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
z.. First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
aa.. Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
ab.. Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
ac.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
ad.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
ae.. Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
af.. Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
ag.. Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
ah.. Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
ai.. First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
aj.. All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
ak.. My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of thelargest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, formerCEO of Enron Corporation).
al.. Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
am.. First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
an.. First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
ao.. First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
ap.. Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
aq.. With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
ar.. Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace andstability.
as.. First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
at.. Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
au.. Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding forgovernment contracts.
av.. Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
aw.. Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
ax.. In the 18 months following the 911 attacks, I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
ay.. Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
az.. In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
ba.. Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
From the site:
Accomplishments as president
a.. Attacked and took over two countries.
b.. Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
c.. Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
d.. Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
e.. Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
f.. First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
g.. First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
h.. First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
i.. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
j.. Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
k.. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
l.. Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than anypresident in US history.
m.. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
n.. Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
o.. Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than anypresident since the advent of television.
p.. Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
q.. Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
r.. Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
s.. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
t.. Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
u.. Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
v.. My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
w.. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oiltanker named after her).
x.. First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
y.. Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
z.. First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
aa.. Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
ab.. Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
ac.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
ad.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
ae.. Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
af.. Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
ag.. Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
ah.. Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
ai.. First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
aj.. All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
ak.. My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of thelargest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, formerCEO of Enron Corporation).
al.. Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
am.. First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
an.. First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
ao.. First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
ap.. Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
aq.. With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
ar.. Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace andstability.
as.. First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
at.. Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
au.. Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding forgovernment contracts.
av.. Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
aw.. Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
ax.. In the 18 months following the 911 attacks, I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
ay.. Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
az.. In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
ba.. Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
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fantomas:
x.. First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt...........
az.. In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
x. When did all 50 states go bankrupt??...........x.. First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt...........
az.. In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
az. What about the Vietnam era ?- that was a more divided country - for those of you who didn't live through it.
[ May 07, 2003, 08:00 PM: Message edited by: copman ]
So, I guess 2 of the 53 items listed may be questionable. That still leaves 51 rather dubious items for consideration. Pretty pathetic overall. The track record is simply not sound.
My god where do you libs come up with this crap?
a.. Attacked and took over two countries.-- One dictatorship, and one who was harboring Al Queda. Fair warning was given.
b.. Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury. The surplus was based on Projections. The surplus was gone and caused by the Clinton Reccession. ????????
c.. Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history. EH? what? Based on numbers, why dont you factor in the present value of the dollar back in the 70's 80's and now... you'll get a more realistic answer.
d.. Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period. When there are more people living in the united states now, than say 20 years ago, i would think that you would have more. In 10 years, there will be more than this year, but based on % of the population.... another stats lie.
e.. Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market. Came into office with a reccession and 9/11. Not surprising at all.
f.. First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. When exactly did he throw the switch? Wouldnt this prisoner have been convicted years ago?
g.. First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record. Yawn, he didnt inhale tho..
h.. First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history. Please tell me when the president is EVER on vacation?
i.. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history. Very much a reach.
j.. Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history. Should i mention Gore/Clinton and china?
k.. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job. YES, right on this one.
l.. Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than anypresident in US history. He extended benefits, then didnt re-extend them. Thats not a cut.
m.. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period. This is a re-post from the bankruptcy statement.
n.. Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. ??????????
o.. Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than anypresident since the advent of television. Who cares?
p.. Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history. I didnt know that he was allowed to change the constitiution? Reach...
q.. Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. Maybe the Democrat incharge of CA shoulda been a little more pro-active. CA created their own problems with de-regulation... NOT a federal problem. Blame the leadership of CA.
r.. Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. Cost of a $ now vs the 70's or 80's and get back to me...
s.. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans. eh? Democratic scare tactic...
t.. Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. Please... more people in the word now than say the vietnam war... % and stats...
u.. Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history. Got us out of a treaty that was old and outdated... so what?
v.. My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history. yawn... this means what? in whose opinion? This is a fact?
w.. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oiltanker named after her). How much money does Kerry have? this is stupid....
x.. First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt. already addressed.
y.. Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world. This fraud was going on in the 90's and caused the stock market boom clinton was given soo much credit for. Bush signed laws for more and better auditing of the companies.
z.. First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation. Re-post.. re-post
aa.. Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
ab.. Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history. ummmmmmm, i thought this is what you guys wanted? cant say you want it then try and twist the facts.
ac.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission. YES- lets put cuba and syria in these types of position.. i rest my case.
ad.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board. shouldnt you include this in line above? refer to syria and cuba.
ae.. Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history. You have proof or is this an opinion?
af.. Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. The UN was irrelevant years ago.. the un has never backed us military action. kosovo ring a bell?
ag.. Withdrew from the World Court of Law. Milosivich (sp) has been on trial for what 2 years? Joke.
ah.. Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. The united states never signed this... and if you want to go by it, we never declared war. next...
ai.. First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections). ?????????????? stupid.
aj.. All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. RE-POST, come on.
ak.. My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of thelargest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, formerCEO of Enron Corporation). Combination of like 2 posts before, good job. creative.
al.. Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history. We all know who the leader of making policy based on polls was....
am.. First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community. re-post of like 3 posts.... good job.
an.. First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1) the stupidity of this one speaks for itself.
ao.. First US president to establish a secret shadow government. to your knoledge of course.
ap.. Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). all i can do is laugh at this one.
aq.. With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years. So, at what point in 30 years did they get along?
ar.. Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace andstability. Frenchies, rest my case. They werent complaining when we saved them in WW2 and WW1.. and the cold war...
as.. First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.-- the problems of appeasement.
at.. Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. ???
au.. Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding forgovernment contracts. stupid.
av.. Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'. YAWN.....
aw.. Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects. Too bad they didnt get more decocrats.
ax.. In the 18 months following the 911 attacks, I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States. doesnt this fall under the secrecy post?
ay.. Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. RE POST.
az.. In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
If it's so divided, ummmmm i thought you just implied he the office by focus groups and opinion polls? if you do that, how do you get divided?
ba.. Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. They dont call it the Clinton Reccession for nuttun... this is another re-post.
3/4 of these are re-post of previous letters.
a.. Attacked and took over two countries.-- One dictatorship, and one who was harboring Al Queda. Fair warning was given.
b.. Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury. The surplus was based on Projections. The surplus was gone and caused by the Clinton Reccession. ????????
c.. Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history. EH? what? Based on numbers, why dont you factor in the present value of the dollar back in the 70's 80's and now... you'll get a more realistic answer.
d.. Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period. When there are more people living in the united states now, than say 20 years ago, i would think that you would have more. In 10 years, there will be more than this year, but based on % of the population.... another stats lie.
e.. Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market. Came into office with a reccession and 9/11. Not surprising at all.
f.. First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. When exactly did he throw the switch? Wouldnt this prisoner have been convicted years ago?
g.. First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record. Yawn, he didnt inhale tho..
h.. First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history. Please tell me when the president is EVER on vacation?
i.. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history. Very much a reach.
j.. Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history. Should i mention Gore/Clinton and china?
k.. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job. YES, right on this one.
l.. Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than anypresident in US history. He extended benefits, then didnt re-extend them. Thats not a cut.
m.. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period. This is a re-post from the bankruptcy statement.
n.. Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. ??????????
o.. Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than anypresident since the advent of television. Who cares?
p.. Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history. I didnt know that he was allowed to change the constitiution? Reach...
q.. Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. Maybe the Democrat incharge of CA shoulda been a little more pro-active. CA created their own problems with de-regulation... NOT a federal problem. Blame the leadership of CA.
r.. Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. Cost of a $ now vs the 70's or 80's and get back to me...
s.. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans. eh? Democratic scare tactic...
t.. Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. Please... more people in the word now than say the vietnam war... % and stats...
u.. Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history. Got us out of a treaty that was old and outdated... so what?
v.. My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history. yawn... this means what? in whose opinion? This is a fact?
w.. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oiltanker named after her). How much money does Kerry have? this is stupid....
x.. First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt. already addressed.
y.. Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world. This fraud was going on in the 90's and caused the stock market boom clinton was given soo much credit for. Bush signed laws for more and better auditing of the companies.
z.. First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation. Re-post.. re-post
aa.. Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
ab.. Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history. ummmmmmm, i thought this is what you guys wanted? cant say you want it then try and twist the facts.
ac.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission. YES- lets put cuba and syria in these types of position.. i rest my case.
ad.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board. shouldnt you include this in line above? refer to syria and cuba.
ae.. Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history. You have proof or is this an opinion?
af.. Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. The UN was irrelevant years ago.. the un has never backed us military action. kosovo ring a bell?
ag.. Withdrew from the World Court of Law. Milosivich (sp) has been on trial for what 2 years? Joke.
ah.. Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. The united states never signed this... and if you want to go by it, we never declared war. next...
ai.. First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections). ?????????????? stupid.
aj.. All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. RE-POST, come on.
ak.. My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of thelargest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, formerCEO of Enron Corporation). Combination of like 2 posts before, good job. creative.
al.. Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history. We all know who the leader of making policy based on polls was....
am.. First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community. re-post of like 3 posts.... good job.
an.. First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1) the stupidity of this one speaks for itself.
ao.. First US president to establish a secret shadow government. to your knoledge of course.
ap.. Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). all i can do is laugh at this one.
aq.. With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years. So, at what point in 30 years did they get along?
ar.. Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace andstability. Frenchies, rest my case. They werent complaining when we saved them in WW2 and WW1.. and the cold war...
as.. First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.-- the problems of appeasement.
at.. Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. ???
au.. Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding forgovernment contracts. stupid.
av.. Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'. YAWN.....
aw.. Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects. Too bad they didnt get more decocrats.
ax.. In the 18 months following the 911 attacks, I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States. doesnt this fall under the secrecy post?
ay.. Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. RE POST.
az.. In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
If it's so divided, ummmmm i thought you just implied he the office by focus groups and opinion polls? if you do that, how do you get divided?
ba.. Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. They dont call it the Clinton Reccession for nuttun... this is another re-post.
3/4 of these are re-post of previous letters.
So Sad guys.... Everyone loved the bushie could hop a plane and come to the ship.
He pulled this off without a hitch and was quite natural doing it. You cant stage that. A few of you liberals think it was all "staged", and the rest of america saw it for what it was... natural interaction.
He pulled this off without a hitch and was quite natural doing it. You cant stage that. A few of you liberals think it was all "staged", and the rest of america saw it for what it was... natural interaction.
I really think the democratic investigation and criticism of the Bush landing incident is getting rather shrill. Perhaps it was a bit of hotdogging. But it certainly wasn't the national scandal the dems are trying to make it out to be.
They had their 15 minutes of criticism aired and now should let it drop. anything further will only make the dems look desperate and silly
on some of the points (the many many points in that loooong list) I do agree with Phillyfan that the criticism of gas prices being high is not valid. as he said, when adjusted for inflation, the price of gas today is still very low. Why do you think we have all those gas guzzlin SUVs as the most popular vehicles out there?
also, the thing about this adm being "the most secretive ever..." Philly's right. that's an opinion and a judgment call. No statistics exist to have an impartial determination of such. Surely you don't think the earlier administrations of 100 years ago(for example) were as open as we are now. Do you?
But on another point, I disagree with Philly.
he wrote
They had their 15 minutes of criticism aired and now should let it drop. anything further will only make the dems look desperate and silly
on some of the points (the many many points in that loooong list) I do agree with Phillyfan that the criticism of gas prices being high is not valid. as he said, when adjusted for inflation, the price of gas today is still very low. Why do you think we have all those gas guzzlin SUVs as the most popular vehicles out there?
also, the thing about this adm being "the most secretive ever..." Philly's right. that's an opinion and a judgment call. No statistics exist to have an impartial determination of such. Surely you don't think the earlier administrations of 100 years ago(for example) were as open as we are now. Do you?
But on another point, I disagree with Philly.
he wrote
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Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than anypresident since the advent of television. Who cares?
I do. in this age of openness and interaction between govt and the people, the WH Press conferences are an important, essential part of the dialogue between government and the governed.
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charliecstl:
So, I guess 2 of the 53 items listed may be questionable. That still leaves 51 rather dubious items for consideration. Pretty pathetic overall. The track record is simply not sound.
I am not an expert - I was just home on my lunch hour & that was 2 things that I found that didn't seem right. Some of us DO have to go to work you know! So, I guess 2 of the 53 items listed may be questionable. That still leaves 51 rather dubious items for consideration. Pretty pathetic overall. The track record is simply not sound.
By the way how much time do some people have ??? eek!
Crap--most of it is TRUE. I know it's painful that your god is such a disaster. But he really is. And I see W1865 has resurfaced too. W.'s really got that mojo working on some folks!
--notice your passive voice--he attacked two sovereign countries. I agreed with the War in Aghanistan. But this is true.
b.. Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury. The surplus was based on Projections. The surplus was gone and caused by the Clinton Reccession
--Nope, the RECESSION began in 2001 UNDER BUSH.
c.. Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history. EH? what? Based on numbers, why dont you factor in the present value of the dollar back in the 70's 80's and now... you'll get a more realistic answer.
--But this is true, numerically--Bush shattered the record, and is it set to get WORSE.
d.. Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
--True.
e.. Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
--Nope, the RECESSION began after he took office. The stock market has fallen faster and farther under him than any pres since Hoover.
f.. First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
--True.
g.. First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
--True. DUI. Also, the Harken fine.
h.. First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
--W was all the time...that was before his massive security failure woke his *ss up!
i.. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
--Not even the attacks on Pearl Harbor and Fort Sumter approach 9/11. Under his watch....
j.. Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history. Should i mention Gore/Clinton and china?
--You can, but W. still outdoes him!
k.. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
--Yep, the JOB DESTROYER!
l.. Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than anypresident in US history.
--And he's cutting benefits for the poor.
m.. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
--Bankruptcies are different from foreclosures, as you must know. This one involves the loss of homes and businesses. Under W!
n.. Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
--John Poindexter, Elliot Abrams, etc. Yes indeedy!
o.. Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than anypresident since the advent of television.
--He's secretive and dangerous.
p.. Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
--Uh hello? Whenever Clinton signed an executive order the GOP went BALLISTIC. W. does it and....
q.. Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
--Nope, it was Enron and other companies, and W and Cheney and Co., now raiding Iraq, were in charge when it happened. Since Enron bankrolled him and helped write his energy policy, he did nothing till the scandal broke.
r.. Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
--Gas prices in 2001??? Hello???
s.. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
--Nope, your "military-loving" appointed pRes did just this! Sure did. Uh huh.
t.. Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
--Yep, in one year, he drew more world-wide protests. He even outdid any of the people he's modeling his administration after, Franco, Mussolini, Honecker....
u.. Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
--Hello? He's dissolved a NUMBER of treaties. Maybe you should read up on this a bit more before you become so dismissive.
v.. My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
--True, though highly tendentious statement. I'll say that this is one of the weaker points--Nixon certainly ranks up there.
w.. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oiltanker named after her).
--What does Kerry have to do with Bush's cabinet? Kerry's not president? Compare him with the other people who've held the office. As usual, mis-comparisons to throw off the argument. And Cheney's Halliburton is getting richer and richer.
x.. First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
--Actually, all of the states have posted deficits over the last 3 years, though not IN all three years. Deficits are NOT ALLOWED under the constitutions of all 50 states.
y.. Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
--Blah, blah, blah, blame Clinton. But W's appointees only made things WORSE.
z.. First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
--Yep. He did it, based on LIES.
aa.. Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
--Sure did, Homeland Insecurity.
ab.. Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
--Nope, balanced budget--wasn't that the GOP mantra?
ac.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
--Happened.
ad.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
--Happened.
ae.. Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
--Happened.
af.. Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
--Etc.
ag.. Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
--Yep.
ah.. Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
--Whatever, play by our rules or no rules.
ai.. First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
--Of course, after the election theft of 2000....
aj.. All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
--Not a repost--he's stuffing his coffers to enrich his friends.
ak.. My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of thelargest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, formerCEO of Enron Corporation).
--True. And don't forget his brother, who ran off with millions of US taxpayer dollars.
al.. Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
--Yep. Only he LIES about it.
am.. First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
--blah blah blah.
an.. First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
--True. And did he tell the truth. Nope, as usual he LIED about it.
ao.. First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
--Eisenhower warned about this...
ap.. Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
--Laugh away, it's true.
aq.. With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
--Well, I guess 1967 and 1973 were worse, but....
ar.. Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace andstability.
--Nope, not just the French--the British, the Germans, the Swiss, the Spanish, the Italians, the Dutch, etc. (Block it out all you want, it's true!)
as.. First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
--Speaks for itself.
at.. Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
--Gotta help out his friends...Clintonian to the bone!
au.. Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding forgovernment contracts.
--Thomas White, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.
av.. Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
--Yep, tough guy still hasn't done it. [sigh] Let's find another easy target.
aw.. Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
--Yep, what about this?
ax.. In the 18 months following the 911 attacks, I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
--No dear, secrecy about current shenanigans and obstruction about past failures are related but different things. If he's so confident why is he being obstructionist about what happened before 9/11?
ay.. Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
--Nope, Patriot 1, the proposed Patriot 2, and the other security measures are not mentioned above. Stalin, eat your heart out!
az.. In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
--Compassion, compassion--LIES.
ba.. Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
--Nope, *you* call it the CLINTON Recession...only Clinton presided over the longest economic expansion in our history. W. is the Hoover of the 21st century--only Hoover wasn't a congenital liar. WMDs, anyone?
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PhillyFan
[QB] My god where do you libs come up with this crap?
a.. Attacked and took over two countries.-- One dictatorship, and one who was harboring Al Queda. Fair warning was given.[QB] My god where do you libs come up with this crap?
--notice your passive voice--he attacked two sovereign countries. I agreed with the War in Aghanistan. But this is true.
b.. Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury. The surplus was based on Projections. The surplus was gone and caused by the Clinton Reccession
--Nope, the RECESSION began in 2001 UNDER BUSH.
c.. Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history. EH? what? Based on numbers, why dont you factor in the present value of the dollar back in the 70's 80's and now... you'll get a more realistic answer.
--But this is true, numerically--Bush shattered the record, and is it set to get WORSE.
d.. Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
--True.
e.. Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
--Nope, the RECESSION began after he took office. The stock market has fallen faster and farther under him than any pres since Hoover.
f.. First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
--True.
g.. First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
--True. DUI. Also, the Harken fine.
h.. First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
--W was all the time...that was before his massive security failure woke his *ss up!
i.. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
--Not even the attacks on Pearl Harbor and Fort Sumter approach 9/11. Under his watch....
j.. Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history. Should i mention Gore/Clinton and china?
--You can, but W. still outdoes him!
k.. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
--Yep, the JOB DESTROYER!
l.. Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than anypresident in US history.
--And he's cutting benefits for the poor.
m.. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
--Bankruptcies are different from foreclosures, as you must know. This one involves the loss of homes and businesses. Under W!
n.. Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
--John Poindexter, Elliot Abrams, etc. Yes indeedy!
o.. Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than anypresident since the advent of television.
--He's secretive and dangerous.
p.. Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
--Uh hello? Whenever Clinton signed an executive order the GOP went BALLISTIC. W. does it and....
q.. Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
--Nope, it was Enron and other companies, and W and Cheney and Co., now raiding Iraq, were in charge when it happened. Since Enron bankrolled him and helped write his energy policy, he did nothing till the scandal broke.
r.. Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
--Gas prices in 2001??? Hello???
s.. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
--Nope, your "military-loving" appointed pRes did just this! Sure did. Uh huh.
t.. Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
--Yep, in one year, he drew more world-wide protests. He even outdid any of the people he's modeling his administration after, Franco, Mussolini, Honecker....
u.. Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
--Hello? He's dissolved a NUMBER of treaties. Maybe you should read up on this a bit more before you become so dismissive.
v.. My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
--True, though highly tendentious statement. I'll say that this is one of the weaker points--Nixon certainly ranks up there.
w.. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oiltanker named after her).
--What does Kerry have to do with Bush's cabinet? Kerry's not president? Compare him with the other people who've held the office. As usual, mis-comparisons to throw off the argument. And Cheney's Halliburton is getting richer and richer.
x.. First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
--Actually, all of the states have posted deficits over the last 3 years, though not IN all three years. Deficits are NOT ALLOWED under the constitutions of all 50 states.
y.. Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
--Blah, blah, blah, blame Clinton. But W's appointees only made things WORSE.
z.. First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
--Yep. He did it, based on LIES.
aa.. Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
--Sure did, Homeland Insecurity.
ab.. Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
--Nope, balanced budget--wasn't that the GOP mantra?
ac.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
--Happened.
ad.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
--Happened.
ae.. Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
--Happened.
af.. Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
--Etc.
ag.. Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
--Yep.
ah.. Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
--Whatever, play by our rules or no rules.
ai.. First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
--Of course, after the election theft of 2000....
aj.. All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
--Not a repost--he's stuffing his coffers to enrich his friends.
ak.. My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of thelargest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, formerCEO of Enron Corporation).
--True. And don't forget his brother, who ran off with millions of US taxpayer dollars.
al.. Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
--Yep. Only he LIES about it.
am.. First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
--blah blah blah.
an.. First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
--True. And did he tell the truth. Nope, as usual he LIED about it.
ao.. First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
--Eisenhower warned about this...
ap.. Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
--Laugh away, it's true.
aq.. With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
--Well, I guess 1967 and 1973 were worse, but....
ar.. Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace andstability.
--Nope, not just the French--the British, the Germans, the Swiss, the Spanish, the Italians, the Dutch, etc. (Block it out all you want, it's true!)
as.. First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
--Speaks for itself.
at.. Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
--Gotta help out his friends...Clintonian to the bone!
au.. Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding forgovernment contracts.
--Thomas White, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.
av.. Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
--Yep, tough guy still hasn't done it. [sigh] Let's find another easy target.
aw.. Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
--Yep, what about this?
ax.. In the 18 months following the 911 attacks, I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
--No dear, secrecy about current shenanigans and obstruction about past failures are related but different things. If he's so confident why is he being obstructionist about what happened before 9/11?
ay.. Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
--Nope, Patriot 1, the proposed Patriot 2, and the other security measures are not mentioned above. Stalin, eat your heart out!
az.. In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
--Compassion, compassion--LIES.
ba.. Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
--Nope, *you* call it the CLINTON Recession...only Clinton presided over the longest economic expansion in our history. W. is the Hoover of the 21st century--only Hoover wasn't a congenital liar. WMDs, anyone?
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ung
[QB] I really think the democratic investigation and criticism of the Bush landing incident is getting rather shrill. Perhaps it was a bit of hotdogging. But it certainly wasn't the national scandal the dems are trying to make it out to be.
Ung, come on! My complaint with Byrdie and co. is why it took them so long? This happened more than a week ago. As usual, it's pure REACTION. The Democrats are pathetic.[QB] I really think the democratic investigation and criticism of the Bush landing incident is getting rather shrill. Perhaps it was a bit of hotdogging. But it certainly wasn't the national scandal the dems are trying to make it out to be.
And it's more than "hotdogging." It is blatant politicizing of what should have been a NON-PARTISAN act, declaring the end to a war and greeting troops. If a Democrat had done it, we'd never hear the end of shrill Republican rants about it. What's particularly disgusting about W. is that once again he LIED about. Why can he never just TELL the TRUTH? Answer that? I mean, I can't stand him, but I'd surely respect him more if he told the truth once in a while. He doesn't have Alzheimers to fall back on, he wasn't an actor, he isn't even a lawyer so he what's his problem? He wanted to do this for political purposes, and he should have just said, yes, I had them hold up the carrier, I put on the suit even though I was AWOL, and there's not a thing anyone can say because this is what I'm going to do. Instead, it's been lies, lies, lies.
[ May 08, 2003, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
Enron pinned on bushies watch... now come on fantom, you cant believe this...
ALL of the accounting scandals were based on the stock market boom of the 90's. The boom that created the so-called clinton boom years. The cheating was allowed and overlooked then. Why? they all had money. It wasnt until Enron ran out of money that these problems came out. It wasnt until Global crossings ran out of money that anyone cared.
Accounting scandals that go that far do not happen over night. Those took years and years and years to build. If Enron had money right now, no one would give a shit about revenue recognition. Their off B/S transactions are another story.
Everyone up in arms about World Comm? They were in trouble for years....
The problem comes in when you have stupid investors in the marketplace. During the 90's everyone put their money into the stock market. It was sold as a quaranteed investment of the future. Now you have millions of people investing in Dotcoms who never made a dime, never showed a profit. their companies ran off their IPO money until it was gone. Then the silly investor drove the stock price up.
The accounting fraud simply burst the bubble, and the market came down. Now, do you blame Bush or Clinton for that? I'd blame the careless investor. The 90's created careless investors.
IF you dont know what an income statement, Balance sheet, and cash flows are... you have no business in the market. If you dont know what non-cash write offs are... you have no business in the market.
ALL of the accounting scandals were based on the stock market boom of the 90's. The boom that created the so-called clinton boom years. The cheating was allowed and overlooked then. Why? they all had money. It wasnt until Enron ran out of money that these problems came out. It wasnt until Global crossings ran out of money that anyone cared.
Accounting scandals that go that far do not happen over night. Those took years and years and years to build. If Enron had money right now, no one would give a shit about revenue recognition. Their off B/S transactions are another story.
Everyone up in arms about World Comm? They were in trouble for years....
The problem comes in when you have stupid investors in the marketplace. During the 90's everyone put their money into the stock market. It was sold as a quaranteed investment of the future. Now you have millions of people investing in Dotcoms who never made a dime, never showed a profit. their companies ran off their IPO money until it was gone. Then the silly investor drove the stock price up.
The accounting fraud simply burst the bubble, and the market came down. Now, do you blame Bush or Clinton for that? I'd blame the careless investor. The 90's created careless investors.
IF you dont know what an income statement, Balance sheet, and cash flows are... you have no business in the market. If you dont know what non-cash write offs are... you have no business in the market.
[quote]PhillyFan:
My god where do you libs come up with this crap?
[/quote]Typical ignorance from Sillyfan. Throwing the word \"liberal\"
at anything you do not understand, which is quite a lot. It
must infuriate you that the cold war is over because you can't
call anything \"communist\" anymore; \"liberal\" has become the
replacement insult, hasn't it?
[quote]
a.. Attacked and took over two countries.-- One dictatorship, and one who was harboring Al Queda. Fair warning was given.
[/quote]How many \"weapons of mass destruction\" have been found?
What country *sold* Iraq said weapons?
Which Shrub cabinet member once said \"Inter-Arab affairs
are not the US' concern\"?
<http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0212/S00074.htm>
[quote]
c.. Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history. EH? what? Based on numbers, why dont you factor in the present value of the dollar back in the 70's 80's and now... you'll get a more realistic answer.
[/quote]You're right, Shrub is second after Reagan's disastrous budget,
one which caused US taxpayers to spend 54 cents on every dollar
paying *interest* on the debt, never mind principal.
A debt which Clinton paid off, and Shrub created all over again.
[quote]
e.. Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market. Came into office with a reccession and 9/11. Not surprising at all.
[/quote]More of your swiss-cheese memory. You must have mad cow
disease.
The US economy had five consecutive positive years during the
Clinton administration, and within one year *before* 9/11,
Shrub had turned surplus to deficit. And you claim that was
Clinton's fault.
[quote]
f.. First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. When exactly did he throw the switch? Wouldnt this prisoner have been convicted years ago?
[/quote]Who was the governor who restricted or removed protections
that the accused have, and essentially eliminated effective
representation of the defence at trial in Texas?
Who was the governor who, in a live interview, *imitated*
the voice of a person on death row, saying \"Please don't
kill me!\"
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/Co...over120502.html
If we believe the psychiatrists, a sign of a future
serial killer is a child who delights in torturing
and killing animals. George W., as a child, did
exactly that. In a May 21, 2000, New York Times'
puff piece about the values Bush gained growing up
in Midland, Texas, Nicholas D. Kristof quoted Bush's
childhood friend Terry Throckmorton: \"'We were
terrible to animals,' recalled Mr. Throckmorton,
laughing. A dip behind the Bush home turned into a
small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs
would come out. 'Everybody would get BB guns and
shoot them,' Mr. Throckmorton said. 'Or we'd put
firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow
them up.'\"
Mark Crispin Miller, [...] said in a Nov. 28 interview
with the Toronto Star, \"\"Bush is not an imbecile. He's
not a puppet. I think that Bush is a sociopathic
personality. I think he's incapable of empathy. [...]
Miller said he did intend The Bush Dyslexicon to be a
funny book, but that was before he read all the
transcripts, which revealed, according to reporter
Murray Whyte, \"a disquieting truth about what lurks
behind the cock-eyed leer of the leader of the free
world. He's not a moron at all on that point, Miller
and Prime Minister Jean Chretien agree.\"
\"He has no trouble speaking off the cuff when he's
speaking punitively, when he's talking about violence,
when he's talking about revenge,\" Miller told Whyte.
\"When he struts and thumps his chest, his syntax and
grammar are fine. It's only when he leaps into the
wild blue yonder of compassion, or idealism, or
altruism, that he makes these hilarious mistakes.\"
Quoth Shrub:
\"It's hard to put food on your family.\"
\"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me t-can't get fooled again!\"
\"[I] won the Trifecta.\" (said on hearing the 9/11 attack)
Also worth reading:
http://www.unknownnews.net/cdd031202.html
http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/bush.htm
[quote]
g.. First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record. Yawn, he didnt inhale tho..
[/quote]And probably the first to leave office with a war crimes record,
if he isn't assassinated first.
[quote]
i.. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history. Very much a reach.
[/quote]The only reach is Shrub's attempt to classify and silence documents
that were already available for public viewing.
[quote]
k.. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job. YES, right on this one.
[/quote]On an anti-Bush sign in a protest:
\"I'd trust Bush with my daughter,
but I'd trust Clinton with my job.\"
[quote]
o.. Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than anypresident since the advent of television. Who cares?
[/quote]So you are saying the public has no right to know what its
government is doing. I doubt Enron concerns you either.
[quote]
p.. Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history. I didnt know that he was allowed to change the constitiution? Reach...
[/quote]I can name a few:
1) Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right
of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
government for a redress of grievances.
<http://www.atheists.org/public.square/charitablechoice.html>
Or do you want your tax dollars funding groups who refuse to hire
people based on religion, sex, sexual orientation, race, etc.?
And don't forget that people have been prevented from protesting
when Shrub has appeared publicly. Witness the expulsion of
students from the Ohio State University for their \"Turn your back
on Bush\" campaign.
2) Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house,
without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a
manner to be prescribed by law.
In Iraq, the US military forcibly removed citizens from their homes
to provide temporary housing for their soldiers. If your response
is to say \"The amendment doesn't apply outside the US,\" then you'd
better be prepared to give up other parts that \"apply\" outside the
US, like Article I of the constitution:
\"To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the
high seas, and offenses against the law of nations\".
If not, you're a hypocrite.
3) Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures,
shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon
probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to
be seized.
Witness the \"Patriot Act\", *if* you're still allowed to read it.
The laws against illegal search and seizure have been castrated.
<http://www.sfsite.com/columns/geeks148.htm>
4) Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise
infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand
jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in
the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public
danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to
be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled
in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be
deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of
law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without
just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right
to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state
and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which
district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to
be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be
confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory
process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the
assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines
imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Okay, Shrub has signed no actually laws on this but said publicly
he will violate them anyway. Or have the secret trials for Iraqi
and Afghani detainees slipped your mind?
It's a sad sign when a foreigner knows your constitution better
than *you* do.
[quote]
r.. Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. Cost of a $ now vs the 70's or 80's and get back to me...
[/quote]Here you are, since you're too lazy and functionally ill-equipped
to look for it yourself:
http://www.nso.gov.mt/rpi/inflation.htm
http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/crudeoilprice4797c.gif
Based on an initial fixed rate:
1946: 100.00
1972: 202.52
2002: 638.54
If 1974 is the initial rate of 100, then:
1924: 100.00
2002: 315.29
The world market price of a barrel of oil in 1972 (prior to
the OPEC cartel) was US$12.00. Today it is (post-imperialist
invasion of Iraq) US$27.40.
Factor in Nixon's price controls, and gas and oil prices are
higher now. But when I say _now_, that is post-invasion,
because the Iraqi oil resources have been stolen for US use;
during the invasion, oil prices hit US$38.00 per barrel.
[quote]
s.. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans. eh? Democratic scare tactic...
[/quote]So, the $250 user fee to see a doctor existed *before* Shrub
entered the Whitewash house.
Yeah, and the chocolate ration just went up too.
[quote]
t.. Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. Please... more people in the word now than say the vietnam war... % and stats...
[/quote]Yeah, those 5,000 prowar protestors in the US speak so much
more eloquently than the tens of millions around the world.
[quote]
u.. Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history. Got us out of a treaty that was old and outdated... so what?
[/quote]In 2002, North Korea violated the treaty with the US reopening
its nuclear reactors.
In *1994* and ever since, the US has violated the same treaty
with North Korea by refusing to, as the US agreed, sell them
electricty and engage in face to face discussion, something
the North Koreans have been demanding for the last six months.
Have you not bothered to find out what is in said treaty, do
you not care, or are all treaties one way - others have to
obey them, but the US can do what it wants? Hypocrite.
[quote]
v.. My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history. yawn... this means what? in whose opinion? This is a fact?
[/quote]Shrub signed off on keeping documents from the Reagan and
Shrub Sr. administrations secret from the public. Such
documents are required to be available under the FOIA
after 12 years. Or do you believe the only information
that should be free is what the Resident thinks you should
be reading?
[quote]
w.. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oiltanker named after her). How much money does Kerry have? this is stupid....
[/quote]Stupid is pretending that Shrub had nothing to do with Enron,
or that Halliburton employees going into Iraq *with* the US
soldiers had nothing to do with Dickless Cheney.
[quote]
y.. Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world. This fraud was going on in the 90's and caused the stock market boom clinton was given soo much credit for. Bush signed laws for more and better auditing of the companies.
[/quote]What a selective memory you have.
He signed those laws *after* the crash, and only because the New
York Attorney General raised such a stink forcing the Securities
and Exchange Commission to change the law. If the AG hadn't,
the SEC was prepared to give Wall Street a slap on the wrist and
a \"don't do it again\" warning.
[quote]
ac.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission. YES- lets put cuba and syria in these types of position.. i rest my case.
[/quote]This is the mass murdering governor, of course. No civilized
country has a death penalty.
Oh, right: before the Afghan massacre, Liebensrumsfeld said that
US soldiers would not face any war crimes charges for their
actions in Afghanistan. Less than a year later, thousands of
Afghanis were found dead in railway cars, left to die in the
heat of summer.
[quote]
ad.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board. shouldnt you include this in line above? refer to syria and cuba.
[/quote]Removal from the elections monitoring board would make interfering
in foreign nations elections easier. Witness Venezuela, where the
CIA and large pro-US oil companies are involved in destablizing a
democratic and popularly elected government. (Don't forget that
Shrub Sr. was once the chief of the CIA.)
[quote]
af.. Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. The UN was irrelevant years ago.. the un has never backed us military action. kosovo ring a bell?
[/quote]And the US has been timid about sending in peacekeepers when they
were needed. Human rights of non-Americans has never been a
priority of Washington.
[quote]
ag.. Withdrew from the World Court of Law. Milosivich (sp) has been on trial for what 2 years? Joke.
[/quote]Of course. To be part of the World Court now would require
the US to admit why Hussein was supplied with chemical weapons,
why the US sold equipment such as helicopters to Hussein,
knowing he would use them for purposes other than which they
were intended, and that the US knew Hussein used chemical
weapons on the Kurds and Iranians and the US stood by and did
nothing to criticize or stop him. In fact, the US sold Iraq
*more* chemical weapons *after* the Iran-Iraq war.
[quote]
ah.. Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. The united states never signed this... and if you want to go by it, we never declared war. next...
[/quote]So you are admitting the US' presence in Iraq is illegal.
Without a formal declaration of war, the US is guilty of
violating another nation's borders without just cause.
[quote]
ai.. First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections). ?????????????? stupid.
[/quote]Of course UN inspectors are not being permitted back into
Iraq. Shrub knows there are no chemical weapons; if there
are UN inspectors, the US can't plant weapons in Iraq and
pretend they were \"found\".
[quote]
ak.. My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of thelargest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, formerCEO of Enron Corporation). Combination of like 2 posts before, good job. creative.
[/quote]Clinton gets a blow job and hundred thousand from a Chinese
businessman and faces impeachment.
Shrub consorts with businessmen to defraud shareholders out
of billions of dollars while taking *millions* in campaign
donations, yet he is an innocent bystander. Riiiiight.
[quote]
am.. First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community. re-post of like 3 posts.... good job.
[/quote]While Tony Blair tries to play Chamberlain, Shrub and Donald
*Liebensrumsfeld* invade other countries in \"preventative\"
warfare.
Shrub has emulated the tactics of Nazi Germany's generals who
were tried for war crimes, claiming self-defence.
[quote]
an.. First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1) the stupidity of this one speaks for itself.
[/quote]Okay, what was Shrub's location on 9/11? Where was Cheney?
Say what you want about Stalin, Hussein, or Hirohito, they
didn't run and hide with their legs between their tails,
unlike Shrub.
[quote]
ap.. Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). all i can do is laugh at this one.
[/quote]Laughing when nothing humourous was said is either a way to hide
fear, or is a sign of insanity.
[quote]
aq.. With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years. So, at what point in 30 years did they get along?
[/quote]You must be a teenager not old enough to know or an ignoramus
who doesn't bother to read books. Look these up:
Camp David, Anwar Sadat and Jimmy Carter.
The Oslo Accords in 1993.
[quote]
ar.. Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace andstability. Frenchies, rest my case. They werent complaining when we saved them in WW2 and WW1.. and the cold war...
[/quote]No wonder you're willing to give up freedom and democracy. It *was* the
French who taught them to you, and made it possible by doing the US a
favor and crippling the British during the War of Independence.
You are the stereotypical American ingrate.
http://www.doonesbury.ucomics.com/strip/da...db&uc_daction=X
[quote]
as.. First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.-- the problems of appeasement.
[/quote]Gee, it couldn't have anything to do with the rapes and murders of US
military personnel, nor the drug distribution ring in July 2001, where
US soldiers were caught making and selling ecstasy, or the thousands
of Korean civilians murdered on the orders of US general James Hausman
during the 1950s, something that has never been forgiven or forgotten
by the Koreans. Look up the \"Hangang Bridge Massacre\".
[quote]
au.. Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding forgovernment contracts. stupid.
[/quote]Stupid is not seeing the danger in conflict of interest.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publ...icle_2192.shtml
[quote]
av.. Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'. YAWN.....
[/quote]You've got Shrub's moves down pat: avoid admitting failure by
pretending it wasn't important.
That will be especially important now that the US has invaded
Iraq and no chemical weapons exist. Shrub already knew there
were no illegal weapons; the person who provided the US with
all the important intelligence, a former Iraqi general, also
verified that UN inspectors destroyed all weapons in 1991, a
fact that Shrub revealed to disclose when planning the invasion.
Oh, and don't forget that *Reagan*, not Clinton, did nothing in
1987 when a missile hit the USS Stark. Did Hussein suffer any
punishment?
Nooooooo, Hussein claimed it was an \"accident\". The staff of
the Stark were deemed \"negligent\" and took the blame.
[quote]
aw.. Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects. Too bad they didnt get more decocrats.
[/quote]No wonder they have no suspects, thousand of *Americans* could
have done it, but *zero* Iraqis could have.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Iraq/Cre...texts_Iraq.html
On October 18, the Wall Street Journal editorialized that
Saddam Hussein was the \"likeliest supplier\" of the anthrax
on the Daschle letter because \"refining anthrax is a
complex and time-consuming process requiring relatively
sophisticated equipment.\" The Journal claimed that someone
like Ted Kaczynski (known as the \"unabomber\") \"couldn't do
it in his basement.\"
Less than a month later-without a word of self-criticism-
the Journal reported that the evidence points not to Iraq
but to a \"unabomber\" type: \"Mounting evidence has made the
lone domestic terrorist the leading theory. The evidence
ranges from exacting handwriting and linguistic analyses
to test results on how the anthrax was prepared-plus the
fact that no suspected al Qaeda operatives have shown
anthrax symptoms.\"
As it turns out, the anthrax found on the Daschle letter
is fairly easy to get: \"The FBI thinks a person could get
the equipment needed to refine anthrax to the degree found
in the Daschle letter for as little as $2,500.... Indeed,
the FBI now says that it has found 22,000 individuals or
labs with access to anthrax, though it doesn't say how
many had access to the Ames strain\" (WSJ 11/12). Newsweek
reported that \"thousands of scientists around the world
have learned how to turn anthrax into a weapon\" and that
the equipment to do so is \"not hard to acquire.\"
[quote]
ax.. In the 18 months following the 911 attacks, I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States. doesnt this fall under the secrecy post?
[/quote]If Shrub were so concerned for public safety, why did he recently
cut the budget for airport security?
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion...06security.html
From The American Heritage Dictionary:
>fascism. (n.)
>A philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises
>a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the
>merging of state and business leadership, together with an
>ideology of belligerent nationalism.
Sounds like a country I know.
Bob Dog
My god where do you libs come up with this crap?
[/quote]Typical ignorance from Sillyfan. Throwing the word \"liberal\"
at anything you do not understand, which is quite a lot. It
must infuriate you that the cold war is over because you can't
call anything \"communist\" anymore; \"liberal\" has become the
replacement insult, hasn't it?
[quote]
a.. Attacked and took over two countries.-- One dictatorship, and one who was harboring Al Queda. Fair warning was given.
[/quote]How many \"weapons of mass destruction\" have been found?
What country *sold* Iraq said weapons?
Which Shrub cabinet member once said \"Inter-Arab affairs
are not the US' concern\"?
<http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0212/S00074.htm>
[quote]
c.. Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history. EH? what? Based on numbers, why dont you factor in the present value of the dollar back in the 70's 80's and now... you'll get a more realistic answer.
[/quote]You're right, Shrub is second after Reagan's disastrous budget,
one which caused US taxpayers to spend 54 cents on every dollar
paying *interest* on the debt, never mind principal.
A debt which Clinton paid off, and Shrub created all over again.
[quote]
e.. Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market. Came into office with a reccession and 9/11. Not surprising at all.
[/quote]More of your swiss-cheese memory. You must have mad cow
disease.
The US economy had five consecutive positive years during the
Clinton administration, and within one year *before* 9/11,
Shrub had turned surplus to deficit. And you claim that was
Clinton's fault.
[quote]
f.. First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. When exactly did he throw the switch? Wouldnt this prisoner have been convicted years ago?
[/quote]Who was the governor who restricted or removed protections
that the accused have, and essentially eliminated effective
representation of the defence at trial in Texas?
Who was the governor who, in a live interview, *imitated*
the voice of a person on death row, saying \"Please don't
kill me!\"
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/Co...over120502.html
If we believe the psychiatrists, a sign of a future
serial killer is a child who delights in torturing
and killing animals. George W., as a child, did
exactly that. In a May 21, 2000, New York Times'
puff piece about the values Bush gained growing up
in Midland, Texas, Nicholas D. Kristof quoted Bush's
childhood friend Terry Throckmorton: \"'We were
terrible to animals,' recalled Mr. Throckmorton,
laughing. A dip behind the Bush home turned into a
small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs
would come out. 'Everybody would get BB guns and
shoot them,' Mr. Throckmorton said. 'Or we'd put
firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow
them up.'\"
Mark Crispin Miller, [...] said in a Nov. 28 interview
with the Toronto Star, \"\"Bush is not an imbecile. He's
not a puppet. I think that Bush is a sociopathic
personality. I think he's incapable of empathy. [...]
Miller said he did intend The Bush Dyslexicon to be a
funny book, but that was before he read all the
transcripts, which revealed, according to reporter
Murray Whyte, \"a disquieting truth about what lurks
behind the cock-eyed leer of the leader of the free
world. He's not a moron at all on that point, Miller
and Prime Minister Jean Chretien agree.\"
\"He has no trouble speaking off the cuff when he's
speaking punitively, when he's talking about violence,
when he's talking about revenge,\" Miller told Whyte.
\"When he struts and thumps his chest, his syntax and
grammar are fine. It's only when he leaps into the
wild blue yonder of compassion, or idealism, or
altruism, that he makes these hilarious mistakes.\"
Quoth Shrub:
\"It's hard to put food on your family.\"
\"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me t-can't get fooled again!\"
\"[I] won the Trifecta.\" (said on hearing the 9/11 attack)
Also worth reading:
http://www.unknownnews.net/cdd031202.html
http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/bush.htm
[quote]
g.. First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record. Yawn, he didnt inhale tho..
[/quote]And probably the first to leave office with a war crimes record,
if he isn't assassinated first.
[quote]
i.. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history. Very much a reach.
[/quote]The only reach is Shrub's attempt to classify and silence documents
that were already available for public viewing.
[quote]
k.. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job. YES, right on this one.
[/quote]On an anti-Bush sign in a protest:
\"I'd trust Bush with my daughter,
but I'd trust Clinton with my job.\"
[quote]
o.. Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than anypresident since the advent of television. Who cares?
[/quote]So you are saying the public has no right to know what its
government is doing. I doubt Enron concerns you either.
[quote]
p.. Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history. I didnt know that he was allowed to change the constitiution? Reach...
[/quote]I can name a few:
1) Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right
of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
government for a redress of grievances.
<http://www.atheists.org/public.square/charitablechoice.html>
Or do you want your tax dollars funding groups who refuse to hire
people based on religion, sex, sexual orientation, race, etc.?
And don't forget that people have been prevented from protesting
when Shrub has appeared publicly. Witness the expulsion of
students from the Ohio State University for their \"Turn your back
on Bush\" campaign.
2) Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house,
without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a
manner to be prescribed by law.
In Iraq, the US military forcibly removed citizens from their homes
to provide temporary housing for their soldiers. If your response
is to say \"The amendment doesn't apply outside the US,\" then you'd
better be prepared to give up other parts that \"apply\" outside the
US, like Article I of the constitution:
\"To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the
high seas, and offenses against the law of nations\".
If not, you're a hypocrite.
3) Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures,
shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon
probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to
be seized.
Witness the \"Patriot Act\", *if* you're still allowed to read it.
The laws against illegal search and seizure have been castrated.
<http://www.sfsite.com/columns/geeks148.htm>
4) Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise
infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand
jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in
the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public
danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to
be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled
in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be
deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of
law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without
just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right
to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state
and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which
district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to
be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be
confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory
process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the
assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines
imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Okay, Shrub has signed no actually laws on this but said publicly
he will violate them anyway. Or have the secret trials for Iraqi
and Afghani detainees slipped your mind?
It's a sad sign when a foreigner knows your constitution better
than *you* do.
[quote]
r.. Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. Cost of a $ now vs the 70's or 80's and get back to me...
[/quote]Here you are, since you're too lazy and functionally ill-equipped
to look for it yourself:
http://www.nso.gov.mt/rpi/inflation.htm
http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/crudeoilprice4797c.gif
Based on an initial fixed rate:
1946: 100.00
1972: 202.52
2002: 638.54
If 1974 is the initial rate of 100, then:
1924: 100.00
2002: 315.29
The world market price of a barrel of oil in 1972 (prior to
the OPEC cartel) was US$12.00. Today it is (post-imperialist
invasion of Iraq) US$27.40.
Factor in Nixon's price controls, and gas and oil prices are
higher now. But when I say _now_, that is post-invasion,
because the Iraqi oil resources have been stolen for US use;
during the invasion, oil prices hit US$38.00 per barrel.
[quote]
s.. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans. eh? Democratic scare tactic...
[/quote]So, the $250 user fee to see a doctor existed *before* Shrub
entered the Whitewash house.
Yeah, and the chocolate ration just went up too.
[quote]
t.. Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. Please... more people in the word now than say the vietnam war... % and stats...
[/quote]Yeah, those 5,000 prowar protestors in the US speak so much
more eloquently than the tens of millions around the world.
[quote]
u.. Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history. Got us out of a treaty that was old and outdated... so what?
[/quote]In 2002, North Korea violated the treaty with the US reopening
its nuclear reactors.
In *1994* and ever since, the US has violated the same treaty
with North Korea by refusing to, as the US agreed, sell them
electricty and engage in face to face discussion, something
the North Koreans have been demanding for the last six months.
Have you not bothered to find out what is in said treaty, do
you not care, or are all treaties one way - others have to
obey them, but the US can do what it wants? Hypocrite.
[quote]
v.. My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history. yawn... this means what? in whose opinion? This is a fact?
[/quote]Shrub signed off on keeping documents from the Reagan and
Shrub Sr. administrations secret from the public. Such
documents are required to be available under the FOIA
after 12 years. Or do you believe the only information
that should be free is what the Resident thinks you should
be reading?
[quote]
w.. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oiltanker named after her). How much money does Kerry have? this is stupid....
[/quote]Stupid is pretending that Shrub had nothing to do with Enron,
or that Halliburton employees going into Iraq *with* the US
soldiers had nothing to do with Dickless Cheney.
[quote]
y.. Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world. This fraud was going on in the 90's and caused the stock market boom clinton was given soo much credit for. Bush signed laws for more and better auditing of the companies.
[/quote]What a selective memory you have.
He signed those laws *after* the crash, and only because the New
York Attorney General raised such a stink forcing the Securities
and Exchange Commission to change the law. If the AG hadn't,
the SEC was prepared to give Wall Street a slap on the wrist and
a \"don't do it again\" warning.
[quote]
ac.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission. YES- lets put cuba and syria in these types of position.. i rest my case.
[/quote]This is the mass murdering governor, of course. No civilized
country has a death penalty.
Oh, right: before the Afghan massacre, Liebensrumsfeld said that
US soldiers would not face any war crimes charges for their
actions in Afghanistan. Less than a year later, thousands of
Afghanis were found dead in railway cars, left to die in the
heat of summer.
[quote]
ad.. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board. shouldnt you include this in line above? refer to syria and cuba.
[/quote]Removal from the elections monitoring board would make interfering
in foreign nations elections easier. Witness Venezuela, where the
CIA and large pro-US oil companies are involved in destablizing a
democratic and popularly elected government. (Don't forget that
Shrub Sr. was once the chief of the CIA.)
[quote]
af.. Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. The UN was irrelevant years ago.. the un has never backed us military action. kosovo ring a bell?
[/quote]And the US has been timid about sending in peacekeepers when they
were needed. Human rights of non-Americans has never been a
priority of Washington.
[quote]
ag.. Withdrew from the World Court of Law. Milosivich (sp) has been on trial for what 2 years? Joke.
[/quote]Of course. To be part of the World Court now would require
the US to admit why Hussein was supplied with chemical weapons,
why the US sold equipment such as helicopters to Hussein,
knowing he would use them for purposes other than which they
were intended, and that the US knew Hussein used chemical
weapons on the Kurds and Iranians and the US stood by and did
nothing to criticize or stop him. In fact, the US sold Iraq
*more* chemical weapons *after* the Iran-Iraq war.
[quote]
ah.. Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. The united states never signed this... and if you want to go by it, we never declared war. next...
[/quote]So you are admitting the US' presence in Iraq is illegal.
Without a formal declaration of war, the US is guilty of
violating another nation's borders without just cause.
[quote]
ai.. First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections). ?????????????? stupid.
[/quote]Of course UN inspectors are not being permitted back into
Iraq. Shrub knows there are no chemical weapons; if there
are UN inspectors, the US can't plant weapons in Iraq and
pretend they were \"found\".
[quote]
ak.. My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of thelargest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, formerCEO of Enron Corporation). Combination of like 2 posts before, good job. creative.
[/quote]Clinton gets a blow job and hundred thousand from a Chinese
businessman and faces impeachment.
Shrub consorts with businessmen to defraud shareholders out
of billions of dollars while taking *millions* in campaign
donations, yet he is an innocent bystander. Riiiiight.
[quote]
am.. First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community. re-post of like 3 posts.... good job.
[/quote]While Tony Blair tries to play Chamberlain, Shrub and Donald
*Liebensrumsfeld* invade other countries in \"preventative\"
warfare.
Shrub has emulated the tactics of Nazi Germany's generals who
were tried for war crimes, claiming self-defence.
[quote]
an.. First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1) the stupidity of this one speaks for itself.
[/quote]Okay, what was Shrub's location on 9/11? Where was Cheney?
Say what you want about Stalin, Hussein, or Hirohito, they
didn't run and hide with their legs between their tails,
unlike Shrub.
[quote]
ap.. Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). all i can do is laugh at this one.
[/quote]Laughing when nothing humourous was said is either a way to hide
fear, or is a sign of insanity.
[quote]
aq.. With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years. So, at what point in 30 years did they get along?
[/quote]You must be a teenager not old enough to know or an ignoramus
who doesn't bother to read books. Look these up:
Camp David, Anwar Sadat and Jimmy Carter.
The Oslo Accords in 1993.
[quote]
ar.. Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace andstability. Frenchies, rest my case. They werent complaining when we saved them in WW2 and WW1.. and the cold war...
[/quote]No wonder you're willing to give up freedom and democracy. It *was* the
French who taught them to you, and made it possible by doing the US a
favor and crippling the British during the War of Independence.
You are the stereotypical American ingrate.
http://www.doonesbury.ucomics.com/strip/da...db&uc_daction=X
[quote]
as.. First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.-- the problems of appeasement.
[/quote]Gee, it couldn't have anything to do with the rapes and murders of US
military personnel, nor the drug distribution ring in July 2001, where
US soldiers were caught making and selling ecstasy, or the thousands
of Korean civilians murdered on the orders of US general James Hausman
during the 1950s, something that has never been forgiven or forgotten
by the Koreans. Look up the \"Hangang Bridge Massacre\".
[quote]
au.. Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding forgovernment contracts. stupid.
[/quote]Stupid is not seeing the danger in conflict of interest.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publ...icle_2192.shtml
[quote]
av.. Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'. YAWN.....
[/quote]You've got Shrub's moves down pat: avoid admitting failure by
pretending it wasn't important.
That will be especially important now that the US has invaded
Iraq and no chemical weapons exist. Shrub already knew there
were no illegal weapons; the person who provided the US with
all the important intelligence, a former Iraqi general, also
verified that UN inspectors destroyed all weapons in 1991, a
fact that Shrub revealed to disclose when planning the invasion.
Oh, and don't forget that *Reagan*, not Clinton, did nothing in
1987 when a missile hit the USS Stark. Did Hussein suffer any
punishment?
Nooooooo, Hussein claimed it was an \"accident\". The staff of
the Stark were deemed \"negligent\" and took the blame.
[quote]
aw.. Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects. Too bad they didnt get more decocrats.
[/quote]No wonder they have no suspects, thousand of *Americans* could
have done it, but *zero* Iraqis could have.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Iraq/Cre...texts_Iraq.html
On October 18, the Wall Street Journal editorialized that
Saddam Hussein was the \"likeliest supplier\" of the anthrax
on the Daschle letter because \"refining anthrax is a
complex and time-consuming process requiring relatively
sophisticated equipment.\" The Journal claimed that someone
like Ted Kaczynski (known as the \"unabomber\") \"couldn't do
it in his basement.\"
Less than a month later-without a word of self-criticism-
the Journal reported that the evidence points not to Iraq
but to a \"unabomber\" type: \"Mounting evidence has made the
lone domestic terrorist the leading theory. The evidence
ranges from exacting handwriting and linguistic analyses
to test results on how the anthrax was prepared-plus the
fact that no suspected al Qaeda operatives have shown
anthrax symptoms.\"
As it turns out, the anthrax found on the Daschle letter
is fairly easy to get: \"The FBI thinks a person could get
the equipment needed to refine anthrax to the degree found
in the Daschle letter for as little as $2,500.... Indeed,
the FBI now says that it has found 22,000 individuals or
labs with access to anthrax, though it doesn't say how
many had access to the Ames strain\" (WSJ 11/12). Newsweek
reported that \"thousands of scientists around the world
have learned how to turn anthrax into a weapon\" and that
the equipment to do so is \"not hard to acquire.\"
[quote]
ax.. In the 18 months following the 911 attacks, I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States. doesnt this fall under the secrecy post?
[/quote]If Shrub were so concerned for public safety, why did he recently
cut the budget for airport security?
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion...06security.html
From The American Heritage Dictionary:
>fascism. (n.)
>A philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises
>a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the
>merging of state and business leadership, together with an
>ideology of belligerent nationalism.
Sounds like a country I know.
Bob Dog
"commie liberal" sums it up.
WAY WAYYYYYYYY WAYYYYYYYY too long and drawn out to hold philly's attention for more than say 2 seconds with the babbling...
[ May 13, 2003, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]
WAY WAYYYYYYYY WAYYYYYYYY too long and drawn out to hold philly's attention for more than say 2 seconds with the babbling...
[ May 13, 2003, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]
BobDog, JUST BRILLIANT!!
Of course PhillyFan couldn't stick with it because you ripped his usual outbursts to SHREDS.
I particularly love:
From The American Heritage Dictionary:
>fascism. (n.)
>A philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises
>a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the
>merging of state and business leadership, together with an
>ideology of belligerent nationalism.
Exactly. Italy 1922-1943, Portugal 1932-1960, Germany 1933-1945, Austria 1938-1945, Spain 1939-1975/76...
Don't forget the militarism too....
Of course PhillyFan couldn't stick with it because you ripped his usual outbursts to SHREDS.
I particularly love:
From The American Heritage Dictionary:
>fascism. (n.)
>A philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises
>a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the
>merging of state and business leadership, together with an
>ideology of belligerent nationalism.
Exactly. Italy 1922-1943, Portugal 1932-1960, Germany 1933-1945, Austria 1938-1945, Spain 1939-1975/76...
Don't forget the militarism too....
QUOTE
fantomas:
BobDog, JUST BRILLIANT!!
Of course PhillyFan couldn't stick with it because you ripped his usual outbursts to SHREDS.
I'd say \"thank you kindly\", but anyone with BobDog, JUST BRILLIANT!!
Of course PhillyFan couldn't stick with it because you ripped his usual outbursts to SHREDS.
time and access to the facts could do it.
QUOTE
I particularly love:
From The American Heritage Dictionary:
>fascism. (n.)
>A philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises
>a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the
>merging of state and business leadership, together with an
>ideology of belligerent nationalism.
Exactly. Italy 1922-1943, Portugal 1932-1960, Germany 1933-1945, Austria 1938-1945, Spain 1939-1975/76...
Don't forget the militarism too....
not new. Read this article from Roosevelt's
vice president Henry Wallace in 1944. Every
point is unfailingly accurate today.
http://newdeal.feri.org/wallace/haw23.htm
Bob Dog
Rush Limbaugh is just a distraction. The real news is here.
“To my knowledge, he never showed up.”
“To my knowledge, he never showed up.”
QUOTE
Did Bush Serve?
Claims He Was In Alabama Guard, But There’s No Record
By Chris Williams
The Associated Press
A U S T I N, Texas, June 25 — Gov. George W. Bush’s campaign workers have concluded that no documents exist showing he reported for duty with the Alabama National Guard as ordered in 1972. They are looking for people who served with him to verify his story.
....
Eschew sleight of hand.
Claims He Was In Alabama Guard, But There’s No Record
By Chris Williams
The Associated Press
A U S T I N, Texas, June 25 — Gov. George W. Bush’s campaign workers have concluded that no documents exist showing he reported for duty with the Alabama National Guard as ordered in 1972. They are looking for people who served with him to verify his story.
....
But this is an old story, right? I mean, there's been no proof he ever served, so his lie has just passed into the status of myth, correct? And given the even more outrageous lies he's told on a regular basis, this one--which should have been resurrected and scrutinized when he staged his "Top Gun," crotch-stuffing stunt--sort of pales in comparison.
I'm far more interested in the WMD lies. Because W wants Congress to pony up $600 million MORE--where does this guy think US money comes from, oil wells?--for the WMD search! Is that to make the chemicals and then plant them?
I'm far more interested in the WMD lies. Because W wants Congress to pony up $600 million MORE--where does this guy think US money comes from, oil wells?--for the WMD search! Is that to make the chemicals and then plant them?
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