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MiamiSpartan
Charlie Crist, the leading Republican candidate for Governor has come out in favor of gay civil unions, which would be a major coup for this far right wing state...

The frightening thing is that I could end up voting Republican now, eek! especially if the Dems can't get their act together....
hockeyTom
That is truly frightening! eek!
Illini_fan
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hockeyTom:
That is truly frightening! eek!
Indeed, makes me wonder if there's an underlying rift in their party, especially in light Katherine Harris' latest remarks.
aquaman
No surprise. Crist is probably going to be the first homo... err.. Republican to sign up once they're legal.
gmginsfo
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Illini_fan:
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hockeyTom:
That is truly frightening! eek!
Indeed, makes me wonder if there's an underlying rift in their party, especially in light Katherine Harris' latest remarks.
First a quote, then a note:

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - RWEmerson.

No rift, just a revelation. Gay GOPers are finally coming to the fore in our party and getting the attention they deserve, much as gay Demos did decades ago. Of course, it's been more difficult for us in at least two respects, given the strength the religious right once held in our party, but which itself is also on the decline; witness not just Ralph Reed's own electoral loss, but the folding of several local chapters of his formerly forceful organization.

Also, we've never had an adoring press to boost us; instead, it's tended to belittle us and our efforts as much as it's ignored, and sometimes actively suppressed, our successes. But those who've followed our fortunes on this board over the past several years shouldn't be surprised by the development, or any of the others in the GOP around the country. We've persevered and ignored the criticism from within and without and now it's starting to make a difference. Finally, here's one area in which I can truly say, "I'm gay and I'm proud!"*
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*But c.f., "I am woman, hear me roar!" wink
FeverDog
Relax, gmg, he hasn't been elected yet. But his being a Republican in Florida increases his chances.
millerbeach
Gmginsfo, maybe someone in the media will take you seriously when the Republican party quits being totally hypocritical. The irony alone is far too delicious for any single media outlet to deal with...they may all die of extreme laughter in the newsroom.
Illini_fan
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FeverDog:
Relax, gmg, he hasn't been elected yet. But his being a Republican in Florida increases his chances.
Indeed. I've given up on the democratic party because they ignore the LGBT community for the most part once elected, but I'll take ignoring over scapegoating any day.

And gmg, I am yet to see this weakening of the religious right in the mainstream Republican party or America at large. I'm pretty sure the local state Republican candidate is running on a "family values" platform. rolleyes.gif

<small>[ August 28, 2006, 02:26 AM: Message edited by: Illini_fan ]</small>
fantomas
Wait, am I reading GMG's comments right that Crist is a gay man, or am I misreading them? If he is for civil unions, this is great; it would be even better if he were for full marriage/partnership rights, like some northeastern Republicans (Bloomberg, Weld, etc.). But it is a good sign, and as GMG says, not ALL Republicans are against equal rights for gay people, just most of the ones who have power (from W on down to most GOP governors outside the northeast).

But what about the Republicans he's running against? Are they equally pro-gay rights? What about the Democrats? Are there any links or citations to show what the others' positions are?

I look at it this way: most Democrats when running will not go all the way and say they're for gay marriage, though they often will say privately they're for gay equal rights. They will publicly hedge and cadge, but when an equality bill comes up, they usually go along with it, even many of the "conservative" ones. Look at California, or New Jersey's legislature, or Vermont's, or Connecticut's. Most Republicans running for statewide or national office are, on principle, opposed to equal rights for gays, and often use religion as their fallback. Some like Ken Blackwell of Ohio, Rick Perry of Texas, etc. are extremely homophobic or associate with extreme homophobes. When the GOP can shed more of these people as well as the creeps in Washington, we'll all be better off as a nation.

[ August 28, 2006, 07:08 AM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
RazorbackTX
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gmginsfo:
given the strength the religious right once held in our party...
Log Cabin darling Katherine Harris on the seperation of church and state:

She told a periodical that such a separation is a "lie" because, as she put it, "God is the one who chooses our rulers."

Harris said God and the nation's founding fathers did not intend the country be "a nation of secular laws."

The Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate also said that, if Christians are not elected to political office, politicians will "legislate sin." She cited abortion and gay marriage as two examples.

"Inclusion wins"
gmginsfo
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Illini_fan:
... I am [sic] yet to see this weakening of the religious right in the mainstream Republican party or America at large. I'm pretty sure the local state Republican candidate is running on a "family values" platform. rolleyes.gif
"Pretty sure" =/= "I know."

"Local state Republican candidate" =/= "the mainstream Republican party or America at large."

Re-read my post, Illini, and if your eyes and mind are open you'll see what I meant. If not, then widen your view.

Sorry, FT, I don't know Crist's orientation, but from what I've heard, I doubt that he's gay. My point was that it's encouraging to see a more tolerant attitude on gay rights from GOPers wherever they're from. Lord knows it's not an everyday occurrence! wink
gmginsfo
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gmginsfo:
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Illini_fan:
... I am [sic] yet to see this weakening of the religious right in the mainstream Republican party or America at large. I'm pretty sure the local state Republican candidate is running on a "family values" platform. rolleyes.gif
"Pretty sure" =/= "I know."

"Local state Republican candidate" =/= "the mainstream Republican party or America at large."

Re-read my post, Illini, and if your eyes and mind are open you'll see what I meant. If not, then widen your view.

Sorry, FT, I don't know Crist's orientation, but from what I've heard, I doubt that he's gay. My point was that it's encouraging to see a more tolerant attitude on gay rights from GOPers wherever they're from. Lord knows it's not an everyday occurrence! wink
But obviously it's not as uncommon as die-hard Demos would have it, given this good news along the same lines from Kalamazoo. And yes, I WOULD call this something to get excited about, especially if you're gay and live in Kalamazoo, home to Western Michigan University and Kalamazoo College. Link to story.
Illini_fan
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gmginsfo:
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Illini_fan:
... I am [sic] yet to see this weakening of the religious right in the mainstream Republican party or America at large. I'm pretty sure the local state Republican candidate is running on a "family values" platform. rolleyes.gif
"Pretty sure" =/= "I know."

"Local state Republican candidate" =/= "the mainstream Republican party or America at large."

Re-read my post, Illini, and if your eyes and mind are open you'll see what I meant. If not, then widen your view.
I did re-read your post, and like I said, I really haven't seen that much evidence of the weakening of the religious right in the Republican party. Sure, the Republican party is more liberal in cities (I guess that's what you'd like to call "mainstream America"), but outside of metropolitan areas the religious right is as influential as it ever was.
gmginsfo
First it was "this weakening," and now it's "that much ... weakening." Even though I never quantified this decline,* it sure sounds like you're raising the bar to/for me. Nothing new there from die hard - as in d-e-n-i-a-l - Demos. Even your co-partisan Millerboy noted this trend in a separate thread hailing the splintering of the radical right, belatedly picking up on what I'd referred to here. So keep ignoring the mounting evidence, proceed to ranking cities by their population when the next such story hits the streets, (Kalamazoo isn't "mainstream America?" - get real!), and then lurch into the inevitable "categorization by race and income" that Demos delight in. Having ignored the train a-coming, you'll be left behind - if not torn to pieces - when it passes by.
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*Perhaps another re-read is in order.

[ September 07, 2006, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: gmginsfo ]
Illini_fan
First off, I may be liberal but I'm not a democrat. So let's straighten that out. I read your post again and again, it only speaks of a decline in the religious right in the party and of a rise of gay politicians within the Republican party. This is something I am yet to see on both accounts.

Also in that article, it never mentioned the rise of republicans in Kalamazoo. If I missed that part, I apologize.
gmginsfo
Yeah, re-read the article too. But for the two GOP votes for the measure, it wouldn't have passed. And one of those GOPers had opposed it earlier but changed his mind, which is the thrust of what I've been saying here all along, whether you "are yet to see it" or not.
SoFlaSpartan
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fantomas:
Wait, am I reading GMG's comments right that Crist is a gay man, or am I misreading them? If he is for civil unions, this is great; it would be even better if he were for full marriage/partnership rights, like some northeastern Republicans (Bloomberg, Weld, etc.). But it is a good sign, and as GMG says, not ALL Republicans are against equal rights for gay people, just most of the ones who have power (from W on down to most GOP governors outside the northeast).

But what about the Republicans he's running against? Are they equally pro-gay rights? What about the Democrats? Are there any links or citations to show what the others' positions are?

I look at it this way: most Democrats when running will not go all the way and say they're for gay marriage, though they often will say privately they're for gay equal rights. They will publicly hedge and cadge, but when an equality bill comes up, they usually go along with it, even many of the "conservative" ones. Look at California, or New Jersey's legislature, or Vermont's, or Connecticut's. Most Republicans running for statewide or national office are, on principle, opposed to equal rights for gays, and often use religion as their fallback. Some like Ken Blackwell of Ohio, Rick Perry of Texas, etc. are extremely homophobic or associate with extreme homophobes. When the GOP can shed more of these people as well as the creeps in Washington, we'll all be better off as a nation.
Okay, the deal is this: Charlie Crist's sexual orientation has long been the subject of speculation. The guy he ran against in the primary, Tom Gallagher, well, there are issues. This was his fourth run for governor. The first three times, he tried to paint himself as a moderate Republican. He's also known for living a bit of an...ummm....hedonistic life. He once wandered up to somebody he thought was his accountant and talked about how he f---ed this woman on the hood of a car in a parking garage. Said accountant was ACTUALLY a reporter for the Miami Herald.

But then, in his late 50s, he got married and had a couple of kids, so he decided that family values were his thing, and he tried to play to the far right. But it also turned out that when he was the insurance commissioner, he also had investments that were CLEAR, CLEAR, CLEAR conflicts of interest. So, Crist wins the primary. Pretty easily, actually.

Florida is an odd, odd place as far as electoral politics. Drive through north Florida, and you'll see billboards encouraging the US to get out of the United Nations and urging us all to repent. No, I'm not kidding.

South Florida tends to vote for Democrats. Could be largely because of the gay population, could be largely because of the older Jewish population who skew toward the Dems. Lots of retireees from the northeast here, too, and they also lean Democrat.

The one exception to that rule is the Cuban population, who have never forgiven the Democrats for JFK and his Bay of Pigs fiasco. They also enjoy the Republican hard line toward Cuba.

Florida's true swing voters run along a swath of land between Orlando and Tampa, an area we call the I-4 corridor. There is a large, large group of voters registered as independents, and that is who tends to turn elections in this state.

As far as the governor's race, I suspect that Jim Davis will close the gap a bit on Charlie Crist, but Jeb Bush is still VERY popular in Florida (don't get me started), and he's campaigning right next to Crist, so I'm guessing that Crist will win.

The senate race? Katherine Harris is the party's worst nightmare, because the moderates in Florida don't trust her, the Democrats hate her, and so not only will she not win, but there are some very close US House seats that could change from R to D, because KH will mobilize Democrats who want to vote against her.
Illini_fan
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gmginsfo:
Yeah, re-read the article too. But for the two GOP votes for the measure, it wouldn't have passed. And one of those GOPers had opposed it earlier but changed his mind, which is the thrust of what I've been saying here all along, whether you "are yet to see it" or not.
I'll be more inclined to believe that this is a national trend after the midterm elections and after the Senate stops holding votes on gay marriage amendments.
gmginsfo
SFSpartan, thanks for the local info. She's not one of my favorites, but Crist does show some promise. But don't assume South FL's Jewish voters will stay Democratic ones; they've been making noticeable shifts over to the GOP since 9/11, in So. FL and in other locales, and the Demos can no longer take them for granted, as they continue to Blacks and gays. How long THAT will go on remains to be seen.
Munson Man
Dade and Broward regularly vote Democratic, as does Palm Beach County to a lesser degree. The rest of the state is pretty solidly Republican. As Spartan says, the Tampa - Orlando corridor used to be a battleground, but in the last Presidential and Gubernatorial races it seems to have turned solidly Republican. Florida IS a state of political extremes - very liberal in the south, especially the southeast, and extremely conservative in the North. The saying is: "the further North you go, the further South you are." Having said that, Jeb Bush is quite popular, and I see Charlie Crist, a moderate Republican with an inclusive social agenda, winning pretty easily.

[ September 08, 2006, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: Munson Man ]
SoFlaSpartan
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Munson Man:
Dade and Broward regularly vote Democratic, as does Palm Beach County to a lesser degree.
For those not terribly familiar with Florida political geography, the largest city in Dade County is Miami, Broward County's is Ft. Lauderdale.
gmginsfo
Further evidence whereof I posted: Link to story.

My favorite line: "We are seeing more instances of openly gay Republicans, but there are still going to be significant parts of the country where that's going to be difficult to pull off," [the Victory Fund's] Dison said.
aquaman
Personally, I think it would be far healthier for both gay people and the Republican Party if the GOP became more supportive of gay candidates and issues important to the gay community, however, the article highlights just how far the GOP has to go in even warming up to one of their loyal own who is not straight.
gmginsfo
Fair enough, aquaman, which is precisely why my colleagues and I in Log Cabin will keep doing what we're doing within the GOP. Without it, you'd never see anything even approaching these situations in CA, FL, MI, MN and elsewhere - we'd be stuck where the Demos were 25 years ago, about the time Dianne Feinstein vetoed domestic partners legislation as the Mayor of SF.
David-Miami
Concerning the idea the Crist has a leg up because he is a Republican in Florida... let me remind you that Jebby boy was the first and only Republican Governor since Reconstruction to ever be re-elected Governor in this state. He might has a step up campaigning with Jebby, although Jeb's strength did not help over throw a Republican in a South Miami-Dade County race. Jebby's man did not win.

Yes, FL usually votes Republican in the national elections, but we do have a long history of Democratic Governors...
fantomas
Let's not forget historical perspective here, people. Florida voted for Clinton in 1996, Carter in 1976, Johnson in 1964, Truman in 1948, and FDR won the state 4 times. So Florida has swung both ways, so to speak, in the national elections.
Itsplaytym
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Let's not forget historical perspective here, people. Florida voted for Clinton in 1996, Carter in 1976, Johnson in 1964, Truman in 1948, and FDR won the state 4 times.
And don't forget Gore in 2000!
millerbeach
Yes, Itsplaytym, let's not forget Gore, who had an election stolen from him by the crooked Rethuglican party, the crooked president's brother Jeb, and that wicked witch from the South, Katherine Harris. I'm glad you reminded me how democracy lost big-time that day. Thank you!
gmginsfo
Follow up to the report of the gay GOPer running in MN: H/WE WON! Too bad I haven't seen this reported elsewhere. Could it be because he's also anti-abortion? Link to story.
fantomas
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gmginsfo:
Follow up to the report of the gay GOPer running in MN: H/WE WON! Too bad I haven't seen this reported elsewhere. Could it be because he's also anti-abortion? Link to story.
Good that he defeated the Christianist IN HIS OWN REPUBLICAN PARTY primary. Now maybe whether he wins the general election or not he'll be able to convince more Republicans to support equal rights for all people, not just heterosexuals, and to usher the theocrats into their own party. (Maybe he'll wake up on women's reproductive rights too, though I doubt it. One step at a time, I guess.) Interestingly enough, in that same article, there are mentions of other anti-gay Republicans who are trying to drub Democrats who refuse to support an anti-gay marriage amendment in Minnesota. Koering has come a ways, but y'all Republicans have a loooonnnnggggg way to go!
gmginsfo
Yes, and "we'll get there all by ourselves," said the Little Red State Hens (and Bigger Cocks). :cool:

Unlike the Democrats, we don't police unanimity on the abortion issue. I've always been strongly pro-choice, for a variety of reasons beyond the simple "woman's right to choose" one, but I've never denied the anti-abortionists their right to make their views known. I learned that the opposite approach - stifling dissent from within - doesn't work during my former, darker days as a Demo. But that was then, this is now, and soon it'll be the first Wednesday in November. Hurry the Day! biggrin.gif
fantomas
QUOTE(gmginsfo @ Sep 24 2006, 12:25 AM) *

Unlike the Democrats, we don't police unanimity on the abortion issue. I've always been strongly pro-choice, for a variety of reasons beyond the simple "woman's right to choose" one, but I've never denied the anti-abortionists their right to make their views known. I learned that the opposite approach - stifling dissent from within - doesn't work during my former, darker days as a Demo. But that was then, this is now, and soon it'll be the first Wednesday in November. Hurry the Day! biggrin.gif


The Democratic Senate Minority Leader, Harry Reid, is anti-abortion. Anti-abortion Democrat Bob Casey Jr., who is leading your anti-gay fanatic GOP "Man-on-Dog" Santorum by double digits now, is the Democratic candidate for US Senator for Pennsylvania, and has Democratic national and local support. Democratic Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska is also anti-abortion, as are some Democrat House members, etc. So the Democrats do not "police unanimity on the abortion issue." They just don't try to control women's reproductive rights, or for that matter advocate taking away our civil rights and personal freedoms as the GOPers are rushing to do. The world has had more than enough examples of totalitarianism, and yet the GOP seems to be dying to impose their own version, centered on absolute power vested in the "president" they worship so much, in this country. It's your friends the Christianists who're at the forefront of this, and don't forget, they hate homos.

BTW, did you read the NIE docs, which totally contradict Bush's most recent lies. I actually think he realized this, but just lied anyway, to see if anyone would actually read them.
aquaman
I'm glad a gay GOPer won his primary. It's just shameful that members of his own party see him as the enemy.
millerbeach
Just for the record, Gmginsfo, a political party has never told me how to think and what to do. I do what I feel is right. Maybe that is a basic difference between you and me. As you now allow the GOP to lead you around as if you had a brass ring in your nose, you were probably the same way back in your day as a Democrat. I think it comes down to the personal make-up of an individual, not the politcal party to which they belong. It is far easier to schleep along through life and let others make decisions for you, which is not all bad....we need people like that in order for a democracy to work. It just bothers me when I see an intelligent person sucked into this kind of behavior. Again, for the record, I am against abortion, but I feel it should be kept legal for ADULT women. I also believe in God. I also attend church regularly. Now you can drop the paint brush, gmginsfo.
MiamiSpartan
QUOTE(gmginsfo @ Sep 23 2006, 09:52 PM) *

Follow up to the report of the gay GOPer running in MN: H/WE WON! Too bad I haven't seen this reported elsewhere. Could it be because he's also anti-abortion? Link to story.



Got an e-mail from him after the primary. He's a friend of ours. We obviously don't agree on much politically, but that's ok. He's a real good guy.
fantomas
Uh oh, looks like Charlie Crist is in a bit of a pickle! This good friend of Mark Foley has been outed, but has repeatedly and publicly denied he's gay. He's even claimed he never had sex with another man.

But now, according the Broward Palm Post, a young former campaign aide to Katherine Harris, 21-year-old Jason Wetherington (what is it with closeted GOP homos and young guys?), is coming forward to say that they had sex more than once. AND, more explosively, he's saying that Crist has a longterm partner, Bruce Carlton Jordan, who's a CONVICTED FELON. Yet Crist is claiming that he never had sex with a man and doesn't know said lover, even though there is proof that they may know each other!

So is Crist just forgetful or is he lying? On top of all of this, despite having been a moderate on many gay issues, he's now taping anti-gay phone calls for the Florida GOP.

How far does the hypocrisy go?

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A young rising star in the Republican Party has boasted to witnesses of his sexual relationship with Charlie Crist, the frontrunner in the Florida governor's race who has repeatedly denied that he is gay.

The GOP staffer, 21-year-old Jason Wetherington, told friends at separate social functions in August that he had sex with Crist, according to two credible and independent sources who heard Wetherington make the claim first-hand.

Wetherington, who recently worked as a field director for U.S. Senate candidate Katherine Harris and currently works for state representative Ellyn Bodganoff's reelection campaign, also named a man whom he said is Crist's long-term partner, a convicted thief named Bruce Carlton Jordan who also recently worked for Harris in her long-shot Senate bid.

Jordan made headlines recently when the Miami Herald learned that the felon was working as Harris's travel aide. The newspaper noted that Jordan, 42, was reported to be close friends with Charlie Crist, whom he convinced to attend an annual Florida Funeral Directors Association meeting in 2003.

Jordan was charged in 2003 with stealing thousands of dollars from two organizations for whom he worked, including the Tallahassee-based Florida Funeral Directors Association, where he served as executive director. He completed a 60-day jail sentence in February and will be on probation until the year 2011, according to state records.

When the Herald questioned Crist about Jordan this past August, the frontrunner in the governor's race told the newspaper that he doesn't remember the man. "I don't know who Bruce Jordan is," he said at the time. "It doesn't mean I haven't met him. I don't know who you are speaking about."

I asked Crist during a phone interview on Monday morning if he had ever had sex with Jordan.

"No," he said. "I don't recall the name."


But, there's more:

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I also asked him about Wetherington's claim to sources that he'd had sex with Crist. "That's ridiculous," he said. "Completely false."

Then I asked him if he'd ever in his life had sex with a man.

"Never," he said.


and:

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Many people aren't convinced that Crist is telling the truth. I am one of them, especially after reporting this column. The source behind the e-mail, who asked that I not reveal his name for fear of retribution, is a gay man, a registered Independent voter and former Republican who isn't involved in Democratic Party politics. He was motivated to tell his story, he says, by his outrage at the Foley scandal.

He recounted a dinner party of four people at a friend's posh waterfront home in Las Olas Isles. He didn't remember the exact date but it took place in early August. He was there with his friend, his friend's partner, and Wetherington.

His friend had struck up a sexual relationship with Wetherington after meeting him in an AOL chat room. Wetherington spoke at the party about working for Katherine Harris's campaign. To me, this was significant since Harris is a stalwart of the Religious Right and openly denounces homosexuality. Wetherington even took a call from Harris after they sat down for cocktails before dinner. "He was like Harris's gay valet," the source said.

As they sipped their drinks, Jason started talking about his relationship with Crist, which he said had been sexual in nature.

"Charlie Crist? Are you kidding?" the source remembers asking.

They asked Jason about the size of Crist's anatomy. Jason "wouldn't go there," said the source. "He said that he remains friendly with Crist and that he was expecting an appointment when Crist becomes governor."

The source said that after the dinner he struggled for a few weeks with what he'd heard. When the Foley scandal hit the news, he called ABC News, which had broken the congressional page story. He said the network had no interest in the story.

Then he contacted me. I learned that Wetherington, a dark-haired and good-looking former page in the state senate, had been Harris's southeast field director and had left the campaign after the primary to work for Bogdanoff.

Wetherington had also appeared in numerous Sun-Sentinel articles. From them, I learned he was an alum of Fort Lauderdale High School, where he was the student body's vice president and the student advisor to the Broward County School Board.

On August 11, 2002, the newspaper published a feature story about Wetherington under the headline: "Leader by example: The school board's student advisor is a take-charge guy with lofty ideals and goals."

In it, Wetherington was very open about his ambition, telling the newspaper, "I'll make it to Washington, whether in the Senate or the White House." His mother said she was certain she would someday be a "First Mom."

The article also mentioned his role as a leader at First Baptist Church in Fort Lauderdale. The huge 12,000-member church is one of the more anti-gay institutions in the county and has been aligned with the ultra-conservative Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church and its rabidly right-wing minister, D. James Kennedy.

Wetherington appeared to be living a seriously twisted double life. On the one hand, he was a young Christian Republican leader and on the other a cruiser of men in AOL chat rooms.


Of course there's lots more....
fantomas
It just keeps coming, but not from "European" newspapers, mind you:

Broward Palm Beach New Times: Crist denies trysts II

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A videotaped sworn statement has surfaced that bolsters the contention that Florida Attorney General and Republican gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist had a recent romantic relationship with a convicted felon and former travel aide to U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris.

Last week, I reported that 21-year-old GOP staffer Jason Wetherington had claimed to credible sources that he had a sexual relationship with the 50-year-old Crist and had identified the frontrunner's "long-term partner" as Bruce Carlton Jordan, who remains on state probation after serving a 30-day jail sentence for a conviction on grand theft and forgery charges.

Crist has repeatedly denied that he is gay and, with the election looming next week, has recently become more vocal in his stance against adoption by gay couples and in support of an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to ban gay marriage.

Crist's campaign spokeswoman, Vivian Myrtetus, responded to my questions with an e-mail: "Wild, false rumors like this one are a sad commentary on the politics of personal destruction which is so hurtful to the political process," she wrote. "This is a completely false story from a convicted felon."

Evidence, however, is piling up that he and Jordan, whom the GOP candidate claims not to remember ever having met, had a relationship[b] and that his Republican opponent Tom Gallagher knew about it prior to the September 5 primary vote.

Much of the information surrounding the relationship came, unwittingly and somewhat ironically, from the Harris U.S. Senate campaign, where Jordan worked as the congresswoman's personal travel aide not long after his release from jail in February.

It was while he was employed in that capacity that another traveler on the Harris campaign, Dee Dee Hall, befriended him. In a videotaped statement that I obtained over the weekend, Hall swears that Jordan confided to her that he had an ongoing romantic relationship with Crist.

On the tape, Hall sits in a sharply collared blue blouse and talks about a Fourth of July outing with Harris on the wealthy island enclave of John's Island near Vero Beach.

Hall's attendance at the private party was a perk of traveling with her boyfriend, Jay Vass, who was the pilot for Harris' U.S. Senate campaign at the time.

As the evening wore on, Hall says that she began talking with Jordan, whom she had already befriended on the campaign trail, about romantic relationships. She says she wanted to set up Jordan, whom she knew to be gay, with a friend.

[b]"He said that he was involved with Charlie," she says on the tape after she was sworn in by a court reporter. "I was like, 'OK.' He just stated his first name. He said, 'Maybe you've heard of him.' He said Charlie Crist."


She then asked Jordan what it was like to have a romantic relationship with "such a public figure."

"And he said... Charlie was apparently having some issues with that and trying to keep it under wraps and just trying to deal with it in general, you know," she said, later adding that Jordan seemed troubled that Crist was seeking counseling. "He was kind of quiet about it after that point, like he was concerned about Charlie's decision to seek counseling."


Of course there's a lot more!
UCLAfan
Well, well, well... This sure does make politics the best show on TV. Haha!
sportinlife
No wonder so many straight-laced Republicans give me gay vibes. Guess my 'dar isn't as bad as I thought. rolleyes.gif

Dammit! And I thought I was just cute. wink.gif
theodoresdaddy
I met a former chair of the WV Republican state party when I was in grad school

met him at a gay bar

go figure
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