http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93859,00.html

here is 7k to hit the bong...

Oh you kids wanna go to disney? here's 140k...

3k for flags... no we are anti-american idiots...

But then again, what liberal is pro-american. What liberal doesnt spit in the face of what they already have here.... tisk tisk folks.

Glad to know what your tax money goes to in florida.

God forbid people in America peacefully voice a dissenting opinion! Blasphemy!

If these people want the school to pay for putting flags in classrooms, then they should lobby for it. If opponents don't want the school to pay for putting flags in classrooms, then they should lobby against it.

Is a disagreement like this really worth getting all pissed off about? It is an issue for the student government, the students at the school, and indirectly an issue for the taxpayers of Florida... not random people across the country.

Tell me again how putting flags in classrooms helps educate students? :confused:

What do you call someone who is pro choice and pro gay marriage? A liberal....
PhillyFan, why are you trashing your own kind?

So if someone (not necessarily PhillyFan) is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, supports sweeping tax cuts, wants to privatize Social Security and Medicare, is a staunch believer in the right to bear arms, and fully supports the war against Iraq, that person is a liberal just because of the first two positions? You can make arguments for gay marriage and abortion and frame them as conservative arguments - limited government, stability, etc.

Gee William - what would you call them?

Id love to know the reaction if PhillyFan walked into republican headquarters, told them he was a proud repug and is pro choice and pro gay marriage, Im sure he'd get a big welcome dont you think?

Yes, probably so. Most of the people who work there are pretty nice.

Amen! (ooops, sounds too much like a prayer ... probably shouldn't say that ...) how 'about "Right On!

1. Maybe they should spend some $$$ on remedial spelling education ... "Rebuilding on a Conservative Kornerstone" ??? And here I thought conservatives want to return to the three R's? ... As for this organization, I guess Kreative Konservative Kornerstone was already taken ...

2. On the other hand, if the Student Council can spend $$$ to send members to a doobie conference on the Left Coast, spending some on flags is fine too.

3. from the article: "liberal student leaders are balking at the thought. They say international students, among others, might be intimidated by the sight of an American flag in a college classroom." Tough luck -- where the hell do they think they're getting their education? ...

Hey PF-You need to sue Ann Coulter for co-opting all your ideas. She put them in a book and is making millions by preaching to the choir.Since she obviously "stole" your agenda,you should be getting your share of the royalties. wink And while you're at it-don't forget to go after Rush and O'Reilly as well. eek!

Well myself and O'Rielly are more moderate, i hope you know that.

As for a flag in the classroom... Uhhhhh, so the international students came to study in america, the american students stayed in america, the american taxpayers support that school.. but hey the communists in the school would be afraid to offend some foreign students. If they hated america so much, why the hell did you come here to study?

The point is... THERE LIBERAL GROUPS ARE ANTI-AMERICAN. This is not like putting up a cross, this is a flag. The flag of your country. Get a clue pinko commies.

As for Raze's comments, i mean come on... pro-choice... go for it. I dont plan on knockin up any chics right now, so i dont care. And the pro-gay marriage... i'm still fighting Clinton's DOMA law... so, go figure.

Hey PF-I'll grant you that O'Reilly is more moderate-I even saw him debating "the Ice Queen" one night on his show. wink Now you I'm not so sure about... Seriously,I was just ribbing you for your choice of terminology-the whole liberal/democrat as traitor theme is the crux of her latest "expose".I thought it was hilarious to watch her debate Ron Reagan,who she's never met- but who is coincidentally the son of her ideological hero.I think he called her dumb- well what he actually said was that she was obviously not dumb,so he couldn't understand why she would say dumb things. It was priceless. :cool:

How are you "fighting" that?

Me and W are working to get rid of alot of that anti-gay clinton legislation... but he loves you, dont forget that.

What exactly about not wanting to put flags in classrooms makes people anti-American?

More bumper sticker politics from our less enlightened brethren on the right. If it were not for slogans and rallying cries, a couple of people would have nothing to say on these threads. The insaneness of saying this stand demonstrates communist standards or anti-American views is so laughable that I am not laughing.

why? because you live in fricking america... america supports that univ. Anyone from a different country made the CHOICE to come here, they were not forced.

Why would you NOT put an american flag in an american univ? Located in AMERICA, not china.

You see this is my problem, what is wrong with the fag? Only an anti-american would see somthing wrong with the american flag.

You really should try to keep up with the news...your hero wants to change the constitution to deny gay marriage, makes DOMA look like a gay pride picnic.

So much for the "Party of Less Government"

And, there you demonstrate nothing more sophisticated.

Why would you need to put a flag in the classrooms? Assuredly, the school itself has an American flag flying over it. Isn't that enough to say, "In case you forgot, you are in America"

I'm still want to know how someone is anti-American just because they don't want an American symbol everywhere they go.

I don't really care if they put flags up or not, but I think those who oppose the idea do feel some sort of bitterness toward the United States. How much of that is real and how much of it is just fashionable rebelliousness is anybody's guess. At any rate - and though I don't know that the supporters of these flags in the classroom have framed it as a way to help better educate students - but I would imagine you would find many, many activities and expenditures on college campus, by college administrations and student governments, that have absolutely nothing to do with improving education.

Bleeding heart liberal here....
1) I support putting the flags in the classroom... But I would like to have them ( the flags made in the USA Side note some 50% are imported)
2)I agree that people who come here to study or work should not object to the flag

So tell me again, why do universities let students play with $10 million budgets?? To this day I have yet to understand why some kid who ran for student council on a beer bongs for all campaign gets to tell me where my student fees go. School is not a democracy. Its an institution!

Or I could say: \"I don't really care if they put flags up or not, but I think those who (promote) the idea do feel some sort of (obtrusive nationalism for) the United States. How much of that is real and how much of it is just fashionable (jingoism) is anybody's guess.\"

I totally agree with you. But the Fox story (and PhillyFan's choice of thread title and opening commentary) has framed this as some sort of blatant anti-Americanism that must be quashed for the good of all right-thinking people.

The Fox story mentions a few other expenditures of the UCF Student Government Association (italics are mine):

\"Some recent expenditures already approved by the Student Government Association at UCF include a wide array of items, including $7,000 to send students to a pro-marijuana conference in California. Another $10,000 spent by the SGA went to buy high-definition plasma televisions. Some $140,000 was spent on tickets to nearby Disney World.\"

These three items easily could have been legitimate educational tools for students in medicine, social studies, political science, media studies, tourism, marketing, engineering, whatever. Frankly, I don't know what kind of courses UCF offers, nor did I research the actual nature of this wide array of expenditures. I suspect that Fox News didn't either (which should have been the job of the journalist), nor do they even remotely bother to mention the possibility that the students who comprise the voting body of the Government Association had perfectly good reason to approve of these expenses. But, hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good story, right, Fox?

And I can only assume that PhillyFan also did no further research, yet he has the audacity to call the university \"Communist,\" to presume that the marijuana conference was to ship students off to \"hit the bong,\" that the Disney trip was for \"kids\" to, I gather, go on rides and meet Mickey Mouse, that all those opposed to the notion of putting unnecessary flags in classrooms are \"anti-american (sic) idiots,\" that all liberals are not \"pro-american (sic),\" nor do these liberals fully appreciate the good ole USA as much as he does, as demonstrated by the way they \"spit in the face of what they already have here... tisk, tisk.\" (In a later post, \"THERE (sic) LIBERAL GROUPS ARE ANTI-AMERICAN\" and \"Get a clue pinko commies.\") Ugh. PhillyFan, your consistent arrogance and obvious sense of entitlement are truly stomach churning.

Also from the Fox story:

And...

Hey, Heather, here's a clue: you can fly a freakin' flag on your lawn or in your bedroom. You can put cute little red, white and blue decals all over your books. You can wear old glory on your t-shirt and on the ass of your jeans. But the walls of the classrooms are the property of the University and, I suspect, the administration has chosen to fly a flag, in proper legal fashion, from the highest beam outside of the Main Hall. If you and your group want to spend three thousand bucks on fabulous new flags, go home and break into your piggy bank, solicit like-minded owners of local businesses, or hold a star-spangled car wash. But when you've purchased said flags, don't try to hang them on the walls of the classrooms because that would be defacing school property and they'll be taken down according to University policy, okay?

So, William1865, I still fail to see how hanging flags in classrooms helps student learn, which is the exclusive purpose of the classroom. Unless the University is now offering a course called "How to Stick It In Your Face 101."

Well, bravo. What do you want, a cookie? I don't care whether you understand or not, because I never tried to convince you on way or the other, and in fact said that a) for better or worse, I don't think the students pushing this have even framed it as an effort to help students learn and I don't have a dog in this fight and don't really care whether these kids get flags in the classroom or not.

This sounds like a bunch of overbearing college brats who are way too infatuated with their own ideology, just like the leftist punks who rudely shout down lectures by conservative speakers and steal entire runs of conservative campus newspapers, all because they're so convinced that they're so right they have to crush dissent and prevent various sides of a debate from being heard, just too make sure nobody gets ideas that are different from theirs and therefore wrong. I never hear you guys bitching about any of that, but whatever.

College is a weird, weird place, filled with weird, not-fully-developed-intellectually-or-politically-or-socially individuals. I think we all should be careful to not take anything college kids do too seriously.

There must be elections for the Student Council in the upcoming fall semester. The students who want flags in the classroom could very simply do this: vote for candidates supported by the Kreative Konservative Kornerstone. Stop bitching to the media and win the election -- it's as simple as that.

And if it turns out the "liberals" win again, the Konservatives might could turn to the Supreme Court to overrule the election (it is Florida afterall ...) ... or maybe start a recall campaign -- get some goodlooking Hollywood type to enroll in school and run -- George P. Bush comes to mind.

Who knows? Maybe this flag thing will be the burning issue -- certainly the students at UCF don't have other issues to worry about -- rising tuition, crowded classrooms, health insurance, campus transportation.

Yes. Yes, I do. My favorite is chocolate chip oatmeal. Yum.

But I'm surprised that you can find time to bake, when it takes you 300+ words to explain to everyone just how much you really don't care about stuff. C'mon, 'fess up and tell us your secret. I bet you're like Martha Stewart, with a personal staff to do all your baking and type out your superior knowledge to a world starved for your opinion on how we should not be bothered thinking for ourselves anymore, right? Good for you. No, wait. Good for us!

So let me know when those cookies are done 'cause I like 'em all warm and melty. You're the best. And I'm starving!

In the timeless words of Limp Bizkit's Fred Durst, "You can take that cookie and..."

Oh, never mind...

You know...

These flag things... sort of remind me of the whole.. we need to get rid of anything that refers to god anyway... for example, in downtown phx, there are the 10 commandments by the state building. ACLU wants it GONE. Now, the damn thing has been there for errrr what.. 20-30 years. Wont be moved, the ACLU will sue.

Now in this time of budget crisis.. someone, somewhere is worrying about somthing so stupid as a statue.

Then you come to situation where, people just wanna put up a flag of the country you live in.. NOPE cant do it. Too much patriotism there folks. At the same time, send students to disney or a doobie conference. The point is, not what they did there, but the fact you can do that.. but not put up a flag. Sad days i tell ya.

PhillyPhan -- it's that damn nuisance of the First Amendment to the Constitution getting in the way and spoiling things again, dontcha know -- "no law respecting an establishment of religion."

Those awful deists who were among our Founding Fathers.

Ten Commandments = Judaism and Christianity

Ten Commandments does not = other religions.

You do believe in the Constitution don't ya?

too bad no one noticed these things 20-30 years ago, huh?

I think, maybe, the ACLU has too much time on their hands... Perhaps they are better served helping the community... picking up trash by the side of the road or something...

Philly Fan, I don't believe anyone has actually said you can't put up flags. The student council just decided not to spend the money on that. Big deal. They probably voted not to spend money on all kinds of things. Was there really a concerted lobby not to put flags up, or did the student council just not think anyone would care very much? If, for example, they had denied the Campus Republicans funding while giving money to the Student Democrats, that might be significant.

And, by the way, favoring legalization of marijuana is hardly communist. It's philosophically a libertarian position. The most prominent politician who is pro-legalization that leaps to mind is a Republican (Gary Johnson, former governor of New Mexico).

That, liberal, tree huggers, anyone from say.. berkley... communists to PF.

Are you capable of forming complete, coherent, English sentences?
If so, could you please rephrase that statement into a complete, coherent, English sentence so I can figure out just what the hell you're trying to say?

The legalization of drugs is a Libertarian position in that it advocates telling the government to go screw itself and stay out of our lives.
It does have support among hippie-pot-smokers, which tend to be über-liberal, and quite possibly communist, but that doesn't make all people in support of legalizing marijuana an über-liberal communist hippie pot smoker.