actually, the assertion that vote spoilage (the official term for uncounted votes) is higher in areas with higher minority populations is backed by solid research from very respectable sources.

If you say so (I know how much you adore both W and pope).... It was obviously Al Qaeda and Saddam who caused the tsunami--cause they're in league, right?

As for your assertion about "no evidence" and my "incorrect" assertion, as Thersis points out, it's backed up by considerable evidence. But as we know, with you, "evidence" can just disappear as easily as a changed profile.

BBC News: New Florida vote scandal feared


Columbus Free Press: 12 ways W is stealing vote in Ohio

VoteProtect Ohio: Election incidents 2004

VoteProtect Florida: Election incidents 2004

DailyKos: Sproul & Associates vote-related incidents

Ideamouth.com: Voting irregularities in different states

Of course there are so much more out there...not sure what dimension you're living in, but voting problems, voter intimidation and voting irregularities were rife this past election!

The very latest is that Rossi is refusing to concede, and is going to call for a revote, which is very highly unlikely. As of now Christine Gregoire is slated to be sworn in as the new Governor on Jan. 12th.

Rossi should concede. If the results were reversed after this third count, I would have said Gregoire should concede. It's over. Time to move on.

Here's a good Q&A article from the Seattle Times about the election.
Q&A about the Washington election results.

Tired, old, ideologically biased "evidence." Jeez.

What's next? George Soros reveals results of a major study on election problems? Come now, get some REAL evidence, not just a bunch of bullshit spouted by Jesse Jackass and his money-grabbing exploiters.

it doesn't get any more real than THIS . I know you prefer to ignore facts when they prove inconvenient, but this is a study from harvard, widely circulated, not at all criticized, perfectly documented (there are links to the underlying statistical analysis.... again, this is a harvard study, not some drivel out of some two-bit northwestern community college.

Pretty cut and dried editorial in my Spokane Spokesman-Review this morning, taking Rossi to task for what he is trying to do here, which is basically bend the rules to his favor. It pointed out, that he had no problems what so ever when the rules were changed earlier in his favor, when it came to enhancing his situation, but now that Gregoire has won, he again wants to the rules changed, but its to late Dino. Its time to put a period in it and move on. Gregoire will be sworn in on Jan 12th, and her pledge is to try to mend the state and move forward her agenda of making health care more affordable and available, education and the economy her big priorities.

[ December 31, 2004, 07:25 AM: Message edited by: puckman1 ]

Washington state may be a good example of how elections should work in this country: a complete hand count when the ballots are available. Those "hardcopy" ballots should be mandatory even when computers are used.

Computerized records cannot be validated by the same, or even by another, computer unless a different party can be held responsible. Hand counts can automatically involve double or triple checking by parties with varied interests.

Harvard, eh? Yeah, there's an unbiased source.

What are you going to cite next, the DNC?

Why doesn't he just admit defeat? The Democrats stole the election (what else is new?) after changing the rules, so he should just learn to accept it and move on. It's too bad Republicans have to win by votes in at least the six-figure range; otherwise, Democrats will have them recounted until a Dem "wins."

Rossi, move on. You got duped by a more clever party. Just be quiet and try for the Senate race in 2006, where you're already considered the frontrunner.

it is indeed quite ironic that you would be so dismissive of the report simply because it came form a harvard study. did you bother to read it?

oh, the hypocricy, indeed!

Well according to the latest informtion courtesy of the Spokesman-Review, Rossi is still not moving on. He says that supossedly he is still getting lots of calls and e-mails from supporters urging him to keep fighting, so that's what he intends upon doing. He has until Jan. 22nd to challenge the latest results. Give it up Dino, you are doing nothing but making people bitter. :mad:

Gee, Puckman, isn't that just what the Demos did wherever they felt the results weren't satisfactory? Doubtless they'd have looked at those 750 "late discovered" ballots from King (pronounced "Cook," as in 1960) County with the same degree of suspcion others are if they somehow didn't know they'd just happen to go their way. And giving the so-called "homeless" (pronounced "bums") the option to use PO boxes as an "address" is an open invitation to commit fraud, especially in a population that has more than its share of charlatans in it.

No, let's give this one the same special treatment the Demos insisted on elsewhere. Elections don't just end when the challenger is satisfied with the result; it's a little more complicated than that. There's also the minor matter of integrity at stake. Hang in there, Dino, and insist on your rights just as anyone else entitled to them would!

No, heres the story gmg. Rossi was all for changing the rules when the rules favored him, in counties that favored him too, the Dems. are good students, and the Repugs., good teachers. Its as simple as that.

OK, will you guys stop blaiming Dems or Repubs for this. You all know that if the results were turned the other way, the SAME SCENARIO would have occurred. The Republicans would have asked for a recount, and the Dems would have protested...you know this would have happened.

The recounts were legal. And gmfginsfo, you ran for public office, if you were on the losing end of a Governor's race and lost by less than 100 votes out of 2+ million votes, wouldn't you ask for a manual recount?

Both parties need to stop blaming each other.
My question is this. There was a representative for each party at the manual recount in each county. If the other counties had a problem with the recount results, why did they certify their final manual recount? Each party must have been satisfied with the manual recount in each county otherwise you would have heard about disputed results prior to certification.

Rossi called a press conference the other day and brought to the podium the parents of a soldier who is in Iraq that for some reason, didn't receive his absentee ballot on time and threw away his ballot. The father held up a picture of his son and told reporters that we should do a revote because his son is fighting for this country and didn't get a chance to vote. So now Rossi is playing the patriotism card. Funny that he is doing this because when he was "governor elect", he said, ON AIR, that if it were him on the losing end, he would NOT ask for a recount. If this is about integrity, then he should stick to his word and not ask for a recount.

I am not really a Gregoire fan, and I know very little about Rossi to have an opnion about him, but each candidate needs to accept the result and move on. Dragging this on only hurts the people of Washington...but I don't think either party really cares about the general public.

I hate to be somewhat aloof to the Washington election, but I am thanking God that this is not Ohio or Florida at the Presidential level...that would just be a terrible chaos.

But I can imagine that in the state of Washington, that the 2000 Presidential and now the 2004 Gubernatorial elections are causing some definite voter disenfranchisement. So in that sense, I am sorry.

But this really needs to be done and over with. God,I hate politics.

Is a manual recount even possible in Ohio? If not then no cross-check of the computerized votes is possible and the result of the election cannot be changed.

What both sides should be concerned about is the ability to validate the election process no matter who wins it.

I think it is unfair to say that the process is irrelevant and results should be accepted always.

Now the Republicans are turning on their own. The Republicans are very angry at Secretary of State Sam Reed ® because he didn't side with the party line.

Both sides are behaving very poorly on this matter and should be ashamed with themselves.

During this entire fiasco Sam Reed has maintained his composure and did what he is supposed to do, which is follow the law.

Reed says in the article, He has support from a fellow Republican and another former Secretary of State, Ralph Monro.

Reed has more than likely lost his party's support which is unfortunate. It is refreshing to see someone rise above partisan lines and do what he feels is the right thing to do.

Here is the entire article from the Seattle Times.

Republicans turn on one of their own

[ January 03, 2005, 07:38 AM: Message edited by: Mariner Duck Boy ]

What the hell makes you think he is the frontrunner???? You don't even live in WA.... I believe the incumbent Maria Cantwell would be considered the frontrunner!

Maria's running as a Republican??? Wow! Maybe that's the only way she thinks she can win. wink

You got it Mariner. wink

Let me get this straight--Katherine Harris was following the law by certifying the election pursuant to her state legislature's dictates, yet she was blasted six ways to Sunday. Reed does it and he's being labeled a hero or something by the same people who blasted Harris. How politically expedient of you.

Oh! The hypocrisy!

Who said anything about her running as a repug??? Boy you sure like to read between the lines...

[ February 11, 2005, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: RCKSoniK ]

Obviously that went RIGHT over your head. Figures.