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Jim at Outsports
Another religious fanatic with power (an American Taliban)

Associated Press:
MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — In awarding custody of three teen-agers to their father over their gay mother, the chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court on Friday wrote that homosexuality is ‘‘an inherent evil’’ and shouldn’t be tolerated.
The nine-judge panel ruled unanimously in favor of a Birmingham man and against his ex-wife, who now lives with her gay partner in southern California.
The parents weren’t named in court documents to protect the identity of the children, ages 15, 17 and 18.
Chief Justice Roy Moore wrote that the mother’s relationship made her an unfit parent and that homosexuality is ‘‘abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature.’’
Moore also quoted scripture, historical documents and previous state court rulings that he said backed his view.
Moore is known for his decision to place washing machine-sized monuments of the Ten Commandments in the state judicial building after he became chief justice last year. He also fought to keep a Ten Commandments plaque in his courtroom when he was a district judge.
Herr Tiggee
So nice to see that Moore has decreed himself the arbiter of religious opinion in a governmental role. What ever happened to separation of church and state?
This guy's a shit head. But I'm sure his trailer park constituency loves him.
twin58
Alabama Supreme Court decisions get posted in due time at

http://www.wallacejordan.com/decision.htm

Another link is http://www.alalinc.net/ , Alabama's legal information center. Its motto? "Justice Endures Where Law Prevails"

[ February 15, 2002: Message edited by: twin58 ]

ung
I don't understand why the dept of justice or at the very least, the ACLU hasn't stepped in to challenge what is a very obvious and blatant disregard for a constitutional tenet.

I know the homosexuality facet can not be challenged nor rebuffed due to the lack of a national statute protecting homosexuals. However, the fact that he used scriptures to support the majority decision and called it "evil.... crimes against the natures of nature.. etc etc" should open the argument that;

1. The laws of nature do not hold sway in a court of law. Rather the laws guaranteed under the constitution are those that need to be applied.
If the laws of nature held sway, murder, rape pillaging, cannibalism and whatever else that exist in nature (therefore very "natural") would be permissible acts.


2. As prevalent as judeo-christian principles are in american society, they can not be used as the source of judicial reference. This is a court of the judicial branch of the united states of america. This is not a religious court convened by The Taliban.

Who's sleeping in Alabama? Wake them up!
Trojan110
This is really an unfortunate event.

The lone bright spot I see is that younger generations are a lot more receptive to people of different sexual orientations. There was that recent survey of college students where many of them support gay rights/marriages etc.

Perhaps we can't change the older establishment, but we can help the younger people be more tolerant, hoping they will keep their tolerance when they take over power positions.
Aubie In Bham
Chief Justice Roy Moore is an absolute idiot. Unfortunately, our supreme court here in Alabama is elected and not appointed. Moore's "vehicle" to get the chief justice position was that we was going to post the Ten Commandments in his courtroom. As a side bar, he is a born again Christian...therefore, wouldn't the new covenant with Christ supercede the Ten Commandments? I digress.

We are in the process of trying to get a new constitution written here in Alabama. His wife, has created a group saying that we must keep the old one in order to keep our Judeo-Christrian stamp on government. Both of the Moore's are idiots.

I'm not surprised by anything that this idiot does. Stay tuned, it's going to be an interesting ride here in Alabama.
ung
the new covenant with Christ does not supercede anything tha had come before (i.e. the 10 commandments) As Christ said, what he brings is in addition to what had come before. He does not replace it.
Jim at Outsports
Jay Croft, who writes a column on gay/lesbian issues for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution online edition has a good column on this
JC
What I found most telling about that particular article was the fact that 52% of the online voters (admittedly an unscientific poll but still...) agree with the judge...just shows how far we still have to go.
jqueer
[quote]Originally posted by ung:
I don't understand why the dept of justice or at the very least, the ACLU hasn't stepped in to challenge what is a very obvious and blatant disregard for a constitutional tenet.


It's really a very simple political PR parlor trick (now that's some damn fine alliteration ). The chief justice wrote the _concurrent_ opinion. The opinion that is actually law was written by an associate justice. The inflamatory nature of the Cheif's opinion gauranteed that it would get the media attention, but the actual law was written in more moderate and less religious tones. This insulates the basic court decision from interference on the basis of first amendment violations. However the court, and particularly the chief, get a world stage on which to air their opinions without having to actually accept the legal responsibility for those opinions.
The summary of the actual holding seems to bear this out.
Quoted from a court watcher's website
"HOLDING: the Supreme Court held that the Court of Civil Appeals impermissibly reweighed the evidence in this case; the Court noted that while there was some testimony, standing alone, that might suggest abuse, this evidence was disputed at trial and that the trial judge, who was in a better position to evaluate the credibility of the testimony and who observed the demeanor of the witnesses, found that, although the father's disciplinary actions may occasionally be excessive, no abuse had occurred; the Court held that the Court of Civil Appeals adopted the mother's arguments without acknowledging the existence of contradictory testimony that supported the trial court's holding; the Court reversed the Court of Civil Appeals) (NOTE: Chief Justice Moore wrote a special concurring opinion more than 30 pages long supporting his position that that the homosexual conduct of a parent –– conduct involving a sexual relationship between two persons of the same gender –– creates a strong presumption of unfitness that alone is sufficient justification for denying that parent custody of his or her own children or prohibiting the adoption of the children of others)"
It would appear that the court as a whole really didn't care whether the woman was a lesbian. They cared about the fact that there were equal counter allegations in the case, the woman had once given up custody to the father and was now trying to get it back and that there really isn't evidence of systematic abuse in either situation. What this really is, is a tragic, but entirely run-of-the-mill custody battle. One justice has decided to plant his flag on the issue of homosexuality, which everyone else involved in the case doesn't seem to care about, including the other justices of the Supreme Court.

[ February 19, 2002: Message edited by: jqueer ]

twin58
[quote]Originally posted by twin58:
Alabama Supreme Court decisions get posted in due time at

http://www.wallacejordan.com/decision.htm



Here it is:

http://www.wallacejordan.com/1002045.htm
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