Full Version: Ronald Reagan dies
...and good f**king riddance.
Even though he set gays back years during the initial AIDS crisis during his Presidency, may he rest in peace.
Having a hard time finding something good to say about him. So I just figure there was nothing good about him.
He was still the President so I guess I'll wish his familly the best...may they spend his money fast and decisively.
I bet Shrub is happy to divert some attention away from himself. And you know this is what Shrub and Rove are thinking. "Thank God, a state funeral will be a great place to distract Americans and bombard the airwaves with our agenda, and it's going to be free!"
[ June 05, 2004, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Denver Fan ]
He was still the President so I guess I'll wish his familly the best...may they spend his money fast and decisively.
I bet Shrub is happy to divert some attention away from himself. And you know this is what Shrub and Rove are thinking. "Thank God, a state funeral will be a great place to distract Americans and bombard the airwaves with our agenda, and it's going to be free!"
[ June 05, 2004, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Denver Fan ]
So sad to see such bitterness. As for me, he'll always be a hero, an icon. He was the first person I cast a Presidential ballot for, and he'll probably be the greatest President of my lifetime. Rest in peace, Mr. President.
No one will believe this but my partner has been predicting, virtually since George W. Bush was elected president, that Ronald Reagan would die just as GWB was in trouble with his reelection campaign. He could not have known it was going to happen during the celebration of D-Day, one of the most symbolic days of our militaristic history, and while the President was in Europe just after visiting the Pope and about to face one of his toughest political overseas challenges in convincing the French to help us get out of Iraq by supporting a resolution in the UN written by the US and Britain.
My partner also, jokingly I hope, suggested that Reagan's death would be arranged by GWB with Nancy Reagan who has the authority to "pull the plug" of her husband who has been incapacitated for years. As a loving wife who has total respect, she could never be suspected of anything worse than wanting to end the long-suffering of her dear, departed husband.
I think Ronald Reagan was a phenomenal image with an empty core. He wanted to liberate women behind the iron curtain and yet leave them enslaved to poverty here in the states. I can never forget his cold and calculated demonization and dismissal of the poor, of gays and of anyone who believed that world peace should be achieved through peaceful means rather than the creation of weapons of mass destruction. And that is what the missle defense system is, or will be if ever successfully completed. Other countries already lead by us to believe that WMD's are a credible means of defense will now multiply the weapons race to counter our power and we will have played the primal role in encouraging and accelerating it. Poverty will increase as they rob the poor to do it and a slow spiral to a violent confrontation between the halves and have-nots would continue.
On a lighter note my partner also predicted years ago that GWB would manage the same trick with the Pope as he has with Ronald Reagan. I'm laughing at him now but when GWB passed that medal of honor to the Pope, I wish I'd checked more carefully for a patch of deadly, slow-acting, untraceable poison - placed there personally by GWB - on the bottom of that medal; right before the eyes of the world. It certainly would be an unprecedented last act by the CIA chief Tenet to have given GWB the poison patch himself.
What a great NBC News special this all will make one day...
My partner also, jokingly I hope, suggested that Reagan's death would be arranged by GWB with Nancy Reagan who has the authority to "pull the plug" of her husband who has been incapacitated for years. As a loving wife who has total respect, she could never be suspected of anything worse than wanting to end the long-suffering of her dear, departed husband.
I think Ronald Reagan was a phenomenal image with an empty core. He wanted to liberate women behind the iron curtain and yet leave them enslaved to poverty here in the states. I can never forget his cold and calculated demonization and dismissal of the poor, of gays and of anyone who believed that world peace should be achieved through peaceful means rather than the creation of weapons of mass destruction. And that is what the missle defense system is, or will be if ever successfully completed. Other countries already lead by us to believe that WMD's are a credible means of defense will now multiply the weapons race to counter our power and we will have played the primal role in encouraging and accelerating it. Poverty will increase as they rob the poor to do it and a slow spiral to a violent confrontation between the halves and have-nots would continue.
On a lighter note my partner also predicted years ago that GWB would manage the same trick with the Pope as he has with Ronald Reagan. I'm laughing at him now but when GWB passed that medal of honor to the Pope, I wish I'd checked more carefully for a patch of deadly, slow-acting, untraceable poison - placed there personally by GWB - on the bottom of that medal; right before the eyes of the world. It certainly would be an unprecedented last act by the CIA chief Tenet to have given GWB the poison patch himself.
What a great NBC News special this all will make one day...
Munson Man, you surprise me with your support of Reagan. The man was conivving and vile, a spin doctor extraordinaire, who tried to pass ketchup as a vegetable in school lunches, who traded arms with criminals, whose adgenda put homeless people into the wastelands, who rallied against every decent program for the poor, especially in education, and loaded the country with debt.
I am ashamed we named an airport after him, ridiculous. He led his followers to stupidity, where many of them remain.
I am ashamed we named an airport after him, ridiculous. He led his followers to stupidity, where many of them remain.
May the angels lead him into paradise as he is welcomed home by the Lord.
A truly good man and a good president has gone to rest. The nation has lost one of its most beloved presidents (heck, you don't win 49 of 50 states if you're not well-liked, JIP's ridiculous insults notwithstanding). Condolences to the Reagan family and to Americans everywhere.
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A truly good man and a good president has gone to rest. The nation has lost one of its most beloved presidents (heck, you don't win 49 of 50 states if you're not well-liked, JIP's ridiculous insults notwithstanding). Condolences to the Reagan family and to Americans everywhere.
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As someone who knows something about fighting a life threatening disease within my own family, I have sympathy for Nancy.
It is sad when anybody dies. It is very sad when a man who was beloved by many dies.
Unfortunately, he did many things that were bad for the gay community and I could never go out of my way to find respect for his policies. The man was a bigot to the gay community and to AIDS education and causes. Progress could have been made a lot sooner- but his belief was that it wasn't worth the money to save a gay man's diease.
A majority of his accomplishments in the Cold War would not have been accomplished without the glasnost of Mikhail Gorbachev- he is the one we should thank for the fall of the Berlin Wall and the progression of the Soviet Union to a more open nation.
Although I am not significantly moved by his death, some may be and my condolences to those.
Unfortunately, he did many things that were bad for the gay community and I could never go out of my way to find respect for his policies. The man was a bigot to the gay community and to AIDS education and causes. Progress could have been made a lot sooner- but his belief was that it wasn't worth the money to save a gay man's diease.
A majority of his accomplishments in the Cold War would not have been accomplished without the glasnost of Mikhail Gorbachev- he is the one we should thank for the fall of the Berlin Wall and the progression of the Soviet Union to a more open nation.
Although I am not significantly moved by his death, some may be and my condolences to those.
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MIB:
May the angels lead him into paradise as he is welcomed home by the Lord.
Sorry, but he's going in the other direction, Ump (or whoever you really are).May the angels lead him into paradise as he is welcomed home by the Lord.
I do agree with puckman regarding Nancy Reagan.
I feel for Nancy as well, as I have been there. And no, Joe, I am not Ump or anything related to baseball. Really, now, this crap alluding to same has really grown old. Considering I live in Du Page County, in the suburbs of Chicago, and Ump once said he lived in the southeast, I seriously doubt I am him or he me. But I will consider it a compliment anyway. 
Considering President Reagan did so much good, appealed to Americans' hopes and not their fears, helped a nation to grasp its confidence and not its doubts, and, with the help of Pope John Paul II, was one of the two persons most responsible for the downfall of the Soviet Union and its evil, I am confident Reagan has been welcomed with open arms by the angels and saints.
President Reagan will lie in state for two days at the Capitol, it was announced. I'll be making the trip to D.C. to pay my respects. I'd ask if anyone wants an overnight visitor, but I think I'll be staying at the Capitol Hyatt.
[ June 05, 2004, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
Considering President Reagan did so much good, appealed to Americans' hopes and not their fears, helped a nation to grasp its confidence and not its doubts, and, with the help of Pope John Paul II, was one of the two persons most responsible for the downfall of the Soviet Union and its evil, I am confident Reagan has been welcomed with open arms by the angels and saints.
President Reagan will lie in state for two days at the Capitol, it was announced. I'll be making the trip to D.C. to pay my respects. I'd ask if anyone wants an overnight visitor, but I think I'll be staying at the Capitol Hyatt.
[ June 05, 2004, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
I feel badly for his family. No one should linger on in agony at the end of their life, nor should families have to watch a loved one die a bit every day.
I've nothing positive to say about him as a human being, so I'll just end this post here.
I've nothing positive to say about him as a human being, so I'll just end this post here.
I love you, Jim Allen!
Perhaps it is fitting that on the eve of the 60th anniversary of D-Day, we say good-bye to our nation's 40th president, who himself was both a veteran and our commander-in-chief. Our country has seen its share of presidents, some terrible, some good, and some memorable, memorable enough to rank among the greatest of their time.
There was Washington, who helped to build this nation; Lincoln, who helped to save it; FDR, who preserved it; and Reagan, who restored it. Everyone reading this is privileged to have lived during a time when one of these presidents was in office. We were either not yet born when FDR was president, or too young to remember him, but almost all of us carry the memories of President Reagan. His was a life that was respected even by Democrats, many of whom admittedly voted for him. The term "Reagan Democrat" wasn't a misnomer, that's for sure. When you win 49 out of 50 states in an ideologically divided nation like ours, like Reagan did in 1984, you know you're well-liked.
He had an infectious optimism about him that permeated the country from one ocean to the other. He made us confront our confidence and not our doubts, allowed us to grasp our hopes and not our fears. Having had the privilege of meeting him, I was awed by this man's optimism and attitude.
With one other man, Pope John Paul II, he helped bring an end to the evil that was the Soviet Union. Imagine this remarkable historical feat: Within the span of 27 months, the College of Cardinals elected a Polish Pope; Great Britain elected the Iron Lady, Margaret Thatcher; and the United States elected the Great Communicator, Ronald Reagan. Together they changed history forever, setting the stage for one of the world's greatest changes.
On this same weekend where we mourn the president's death, we also remember the ultimate sacrifice of what truly was the greatest generation. On June 6, 1944, a date which no one reading this can personally remember, a generation of Americans, with their allies alongside them, literally saved the world from an evil it had never before seen on such a scale. Thousands of Americans died on the beaches of Normandy, just so you and I can do what we're doing today. How many of us stop to remember this?
Those who sacrificed everything received seemingly nothing. They have incurred a debt that none of us can ever possibly repay. They are human beings who next to us stand taller than we shall ever realize. Their shadows are immense, but they do not cast darkness. Instead, they serve to comfort us with the freedoms they have won for us, for which they have died.
Let us never, as long as we live, forget this group of people--the greatest generation--to whom we owe everything but to whom we can give little but our thanks.
They truly are great Americans, our heroes, and forever shall remain as such.
There was Washington, who helped to build this nation; Lincoln, who helped to save it; FDR, who preserved it; and Reagan, who restored it. Everyone reading this is privileged to have lived during a time when one of these presidents was in office. We were either not yet born when FDR was president, or too young to remember him, but almost all of us carry the memories of President Reagan. His was a life that was respected even by Democrats, many of whom admittedly voted for him. The term "Reagan Democrat" wasn't a misnomer, that's for sure. When you win 49 out of 50 states in an ideologically divided nation like ours, like Reagan did in 1984, you know you're well-liked.
He had an infectious optimism about him that permeated the country from one ocean to the other. He made us confront our confidence and not our doubts, allowed us to grasp our hopes and not our fears. Having had the privilege of meeting him, I was awed by this man's optimism and attitude.
With one other man, Pope John Paul II, he helped bring an end to the evil that was the Soviet Union. Imagine this remarkable historical feat: Within the span of 27 months, the College of Cardinals elected a Polish Pope; Great Britain elected the Iron Lady, Margaret Thatcher; and the United States elected the Great Communicator, Ronald Reagan. Together they changed history forever, setting the stage for one of the world's greatest changes.
On this same weekend where we mourn the president's death, we also remember the ultimate sacrifice of what truly was the greatest generation. On June 6, 1944, a date which no one reading this can personally remember, a generation of Americans, with their allies alongside them, literally saved the world from an evil it had never before seen on such a scale. Thousands of Americans died on the beaches of Normandy, just so you and I can do what we're doing today. How many of us stop to remember this?
Those who sacrificed everything received seemingly nothing. They have incurred a debt that none of us can ever possibly repay. They are human beings who next to us stand taller than we shall ever realize. Their shadows are immense, but they do not cast darkness. Instead, they serve to comfort us with the freedoms they have won for us, for which they have died.
Let us never, as long as we live, forget this group of people--the greatest generation--to whom we owe everything but to whom we can give little but our thanks.
They truly are great Americans, our heroes, and forever shall remain as such.
MIB-
Although I disagree with some aspects of your post, I can truly sense that you are very touched by Mr Reagan's death and realize others are as well.
*HUGS* to you in hope that it provides you some comfort in dealing with his death.
P.S. Please do not forget about Mr Mikhail Gorbachev who allowed for the communications to begin.
Although I disagree with some aspects of your post, I can truly sense that you are very touched by Mr Reagan's death and realize others are as well.
*HUGS* to you in hope that it provides you some comfort in dealing with his death.
P.S. Please do not forget about Mr Mikhail Gorbachev who allowed for the communications to begin.
I wish we could forward this thread to all members of the republican party to let them know just how disgusting we thought this vile creature was.
Can you help us out here, gmginsfo? :confused:
Can you help us out here, gmginsfo? :confused:
I'm shocked that anybody could be happy about the death of another human being. It kind of lowers the opinion I have had regarding some of the people on this board. Is this what it means to be a Liberal Democrat? You can rejoice at the death of a 93 year old man that has been gravely ill, with no political power, for a very long time?
It amazes me that the same people who say Conservatives are hateful and mean spirited can turn around and act this way. Instead of wishing Conservatives were dead, or calling them monkeys, why don't you engage them at the ballot box. Defeat them and and instill your own views on the nation. Oh wait, that's right, your views are a MINORITY opinion and you can't. Never mind, all you compassionate Liberals can go back to wishing people were dead.
I for one will speak KINDLY of you when you are gone someday, regardless of how I view your politics.
It amazes me that the same people who say Conservatives are hateful and mean spirited can turn around and act this way. Instead of wishing Conservatives were dead, or calling them monkeys, why don't you engage them at the ballot box. Defeat them and and instill your own views on the nation. Oh wait, that's right, your views are a MINORITY opinion and you can't. Never mind, all you compassionate Liberals can go back to wishing people were dead.
I for one will speak KINDLY of you when you are gone someday, regardless of how I view your politics.
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Is this what it means to be a Liberal Democrat?
No it doesn't unless you use your broad brush their buddy. 
Neither is evil, together or seperate. I wished for him to rest in peace.Frankly, it's a blessing for the family that the 93 year old man is gone after 10 years of such a horrible disease. He lived a VERY full life before his disease took over. His body outlived his mind unfortunately. It was his time.
Some folks (and I hear this a lot from the "Conservative Republican" side) say you reap what you sow. There are people bitter about Reagan and his policies and how it affected their lives and have no problem voicing those feelings.
I'm not sure a politician will ever make my hero list. It's probably a worse day for you than some, so you might consider starting a "Reagan Positive Comments Only" thread. This one wasn't marked sacred.
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timber07:
I'm shocked that anybody could be happy about the death of another human being. It kind of lowers the opinion I have had regarding some of the people on this board. Is this what it means to be a Liberal Democrat?
No, it's what it means to be someone who isn't a suckup for the right wing. It's what it means to be someone who is sickened and disgusted and wounded on so many levels -- moral, financial, legal -- by that administration. Everything that is going on and going wrong today in this nation all started with Ronald Reagan's band of right-wing scumbags. But I guess it could've been worse -- I could have gotten AIDS back then and died by now.I'm shocked that anybody could be happy about the death of another human being. It kind of lowers the opinion I have had regarding some of the people on this board. Is this what it means to be a Liberal Democrat?
Two other points: I don't give a damn about your opinion of me. And, don't be feeling so high and mighty because unless you're a moron or a liar, you know damn well in your heart that there will be right-wingers rejoicing whenever Bill or Hillary Clinton passes away.
A simple search seems to reveal...
A better orator of doublespeak I haven’t seen in a very long time.
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Originally posted by Joe in Philly when a liberal Democratic Senator died in 2002
This isn't an issue of \"political correctness.\" That's a whole different issue. It's a matter of appropriateness and respect.
At least Joe takes first prize for the most blatant example of hypocrisy this board has seen. This isn't an issue of \"political correctness.\" That's a whole different issue. It's a matter of appropriateness and respect.
A better orator of doublespeak I haven’t seen in a very long time.
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kick:
MIB-
Although I disagree with some aspects of your post, I can truly sense that you are very touched by Mr Reagan's death and realize others are as well.
*HUGS* to you in hope that it provides you some comfort in dealing with his death.
P.S. Please do not forget about Mr Mikhail Gorbachev who allowed for the communications to begin.
You are most kind, kick. Thank you. MIB-
Although I disagree with some aspects of your post, I can truly sense that you are very touched by Mr Reagan's death and realize others are as well.
*HUGS* to you in hope that it provides you some comfort in dealing with his death.
P.S. Please do not forget about Mr Mikhail Gorbachev who allowed for the communications to begin.
As a student of history, I am saddened by the death of any such historical American figure, though I must admit I was saddened over Nixon's death not because he died per se; rather, because I saw a broken, fallen man whose dishonesty and amorality ruined what otherwise might have been a good presidency. Such a waste.
I still shed tears when I see footage of President Kennedy's funeral procession or when I visit his grave at Arlington. Even depictions of Lincoln's funeral car on its way back home to Springfield, Illinois sadden me.
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So Ronnie is dead? Who would have know the difference?
Well to those who wrote the panegyrics posing as nostalgia; I suggest you crank up the VCR/DVD and watch Angels In America to refresh your poor memories of the Reagan man and his legacy of Gay Hating AIDS response.
What's that you say, "Contras, Lying to Congress, Arm sales with 'the axis of evil' Iran just after Ronnie "freed the hostages"
No instead it is He defeated the evil empire so all is forgiven.
Please just don't mention Dan Quayle as VP.
Who said the communists were historical revisionists, the Republicans are champions on this issue here.
The gagging sound you hear is not one of pleasure.
Smoothboy
Well to those who wrote the panegyrics posing as nostalgia; I suggest you crank up the VCR/DVD and watch Angels In America to refresh your poor memories of the Reagan man and his legacy of Gay Hating AIDS response.
What's that you say, "Contras, Lying to Congress, Arm sales with 'the axis of evil' Iran just after Ronnie "freed the hostages"
No instead it is He defeated the evil empire so all is forgiven.
Please just don't mention Dan Quayle as VP.
Who said the communists were historical revisionists, the Republicans are champions on this issue here.
The gagging sound you hear is not one of pleasure.
Smoothboy
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smoothboy99:
Well to those who wrote the panegyrics posing as nostalgia; I suggest you crank up the VCR/DVD and watch Angels In America...
You mean those women with wings flying around in the bright light weren't real? And here I thought everything in that film was authentic. Well to those who wrote the panegyrics posing as nostalgia; I suggest you crank up the VCR/DVD and watch Angels In America...
I never knew Reagan caused AIDS. To think the HIV virus had something to do with it--gasp! I would've thought once Reagan left office AIDS would have been wiped from the face of the earth.
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I never knew Reagan caused AIDS. To think the HIV virus had something to do with it--gasp! I would've thought once Reagan left office AIDS would have been wiped from the face of the earth. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Oh MIB, Titter Chortle Fall about.,...
You will note I said his response to AIDS.
Smoothboy
I never knew Reagan caused AIDS. To think the HIV virus had something to do with it--gasp! I would've thought once Reagan left office AIDS would have been wiped from the face of the earth. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Oh MIB, Titter Chortle Fall about.,...
You will note I said his response to AIDS.
Smoothboy
It's hard to muster a great deal of sorrow over the death of someone suffering that much. When my grandmother died after far less suffering, merely about a year of alzheimer's type symptoms, we were somber, but relieved her suffering had ended, particularly as there seemed to be so little of her left at the end.
On the political side, I think Reagan's greatest legacy is that which the Republicans have lost in the post Gingrich Revolution days, civility in politics. It's something sorely lacking in modern political discourse. And while I repudiate most of what Reagan stood for, that is a legacy it would have been nice to have seen last. And before I'm attacked for ignoring the liberal contribution to the current atmosphere of personal destruction, they too could deal with a dose of Reagan political philosophy.
Anyway, I will cry no tears for Ronald Reagan, but I will take no pleasure in his death, either.
On the political side, I think Reagan's greatest legacy is that which the Republicans have lost in the post Gingrich Revolution days, civility in politics. It's something sorely lacking in modern political discourse. And while I repudiate most of what Reagan stood for, that is a legacy it would have been nice to have seen last. And before I'm attacked for ignoring the liberal contribution to the current atmosphere of personal destruction, they too could deal with a dose of Reagan political philosophy.
Anyway, I will cry no tears for Ronald Reagan, but I will take no pleasure in his death, either.
Well said jqueer.
One down, two (the unctuous scum Wojtyla and the smarmy Baroness Thatcher) to go......
As the Grate Kommunikator approaches the gates of wherever he's headed, maybe this girl will be there to greet him and remind Reagan what he and his precious "freedom fighters" did for her:
There was one in particular the soldiers talked about that evening (she is mentioned in the Tutela Legal report as well): a girl on La Cruz whom they had raped many times during the course of the afternoon, and through it all, while the other women of El Mozote had screamed and cried as if they had never had a man, this girl had sung hymns, strange evangelical songs, and she had kept right on singing, too, even after they had done what had to be done, and shot her in the chest. She had lain there on La Cruz with the blood flowing from her chest, and had kept on singing -- a bit weaker than before, but still singing. And the soldiers, stupefied, had watched and pointed. Then they had grown tired of the game and shot her again, and she sang still, and their wonder began to turn to fear -- until finally they had unsheathed their machetes and hacked through her neck, and at last the singing had stopped.
Now the soldiers argued about this. Some declared that the girl's strange power proved that God existed. And that brought them back to the killing of the children. "There were a lot of differences among the soldiers about whether this had been a good thing or whether they shouldn't have done it," the guide told me.
As the soldiers related it now, the guide said, there had been a disagreement outside the schoolhouse, where a number of children were being held. Some of the men had hesitated, saying they didn't want to kill the children, and the others had ridiculed them.
According to one account, a soldier had called the commanding officer. "Hey, Major!" he had shouted. "Someone says he won't kill children!"
"Which son of a bitch says that?" the Major had shouted back angrily, striding over. The Major had not hesitated to do what an officer does in such situations: show leadership. He'd pushed into the group of children, seized a little boy, thrown him in the air, and impaled him as he fell. That had put an end to the discussion.
Welcome to hell, Ronnie - enjoy your stay!
(and too bad for the Great Felatress - she'll be so disappointed at not being able to wear a red dress to the funeral....... Besides, didn't your astologer warn you that the Unindicted Co-Conspitator was about to exit stage right?
As the Grate Kommunikator approaches the gates of wherever he's headed, maybe this girl will be there to greet him and remind Reagan what he and his precious "freedom fighters" did for her:
There was one in particular the soldiers talked about that evening (she is mentioned in the Tutela Legal report as well): a girl on La Cruz whom they had raped many times during the course of the afternoon, and through it all, while the other women of El Mozote had screamed and cried as if they had never had a man, this girl had sung hymns, strange evangelical songs, and she had kept right on singing, too, even after they had done what had to be done, and shot her in the chest. She had lain there on La Cruz with the blood flowing from her chest, and had kept on singing -- a bit weaker than before, but still singing. And the soldiers, stupefied, had watched and pointed. Then they had grown tired of the game and shot her again, and she sang still, and their wonder began to turn to fear -- until finally they had unsheathed their machetes and hacked through her neck, and at last the singing had stopped.
Now the soldiers argued about this. Some declared that the girl's strange power proved that God existed. And that brought them back to the killing of the children. "There were a lot of differences among the soldiers about whether this had been a good thing or whether they shouldn't have done it," the guide told me.
As the soldiers related it now, the guide said, there had been a disagreement outside the schoolhouse, where a number of children were being held. Some of the men had hesitated, saying they didn't want to kill the children, and the others had ridiculed them.
According to one account, a soldier had called the commanding officer. "Hey, Major!" he had shouted. "Someone says he won't kill children!"
"Which son of a bitch says that?" the Major had shouted back angrily, striding over. The Major had not hesitated to do what an officer does in such situations: show leadership. He'd pushed into the group of children, seized a little boy, thrown him in the air, and impaled him as he fell. That had put an end to the discussion.
Welcome to hell, Ronnie - enjoy your stay!
(and too bad for the Great Felatress - she'll be so disappointed at not being able to wear a red dress to the funeral....... Besides, didn't your astologer warn you that the Unindicted Co-Conspitator was about to exit stage right?
I lost my grandmother to a long, slow bout with Alzheimer's. Any wrong that people may think Reagan committed during his life his family has paid for many times. I don't hold any Reagan nostalgia, but I wouldn't wish his slow demise on anyone's family. I just hope they can remember the good times, because it's hard to get past the end.
The only other comments I wish to add are that I fully understood and respected just how much President Reagan was loved and admired and endeared by the Republican party, and even to many Democrats who I am sure helped to elect and maybe even re-elect him. I accept this. Having said those coments now I hope the Republican Party can truly understand just how much we admire, and endeared ourselves to Pres. Clinton. It is truly the end of an era.
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Wurm:
One down, two (the unctuous scum Wojtyla and the smarmy Baroness Thatcher) to go......
Well, how else do we expect Communists and those opposed to the American way of life to feel? Had you been alive during WWII, I'd bet the farm you would have hoped for the death of FDR and Churchill and cried over the death of Hitler, Mussolini, or any other Axis leaders. Of course, tis your right. Thank God folks like you are in such a tiny minority. One down, two (the unctuous scum Wojtyla and the smarmy Baroness Thatcher) to go......
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MIB:
Well, how else do we expect Communists
Welllll, Nancy..... there they go again - playing the red-bait card Well, how else do we expect Communists
And thanks for reminding me - when the Alzheimer Kid arrives in his new naturally-heated home, he will be able to (if he can remember) say "HI" to his kindred anti-Commie brethern, such as Roy Cohn, Joe McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover and Father Coughlin (who's no doubt rooming with Father Geoghan).
And, in honor of the Gipper's dirt nap, here's a little salute:
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You know i would expect no different response to the death of the man who destroyed communism, by the little commie pinkos.
I'm not surprised to see the hatred for a man who made most people "proud" to be an American, by those who hate being Americans.
You see, it's ok to admit that this man changed America... made it ok to be an american.. made people proud to be ameircan. But you cant do that when you depsise america.
I'm just wondering of all of the sadness that will take place around here when Jimmy Carter bites the big one. Such sorrow and sadness to see a man pass who had probably the most failed presidency of our generation... but hey he was a democrat even tho he sucked ass.
Actually, it is a bit sad to see all the nastiness from most of you little queens. America lost one of it's best yesterday, admit it or not. A man who changed america, a man who was, unlike most of ya'all, proud to be an American... he was.. the true american patriot.
I'm not surprised to see the hatred for a man who made most people "proud" to be an American, by those who hate being Americans.
You see, it's ok to admit that this man changed America... made it ok to be an american.. made people proud to be ameircan. But you cant do that when you depsise america.
I'm just wondering of all of the sadness that will take place around here when Jimmy Carter bites the big one. Such sorrow and sadness to see a man pass who had probably the most failed presidency of our generation... but hey he was a democrat even tho he sucked ass.
Actually, it is a bit sad to see all the nastiness from most of you little queens. America lost one of it's best yesterday, admit it or not. A man who changed america, a man who was, unlike most of ya'all, proud to be an American... he was.. the true american patriot.
Patriot?
Try:
War Criminal
Despot
Ruled by astrological fiat
And it was GHW Bush who finished off Kommyism, not this shoe-polish wearing WWII coward who left his first wife because she had a more successful acting career than his own pathetic joke of a career (and the fact that Nancy gave the best head in Hollywood).
John Wilkes Booth said it best: SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS
At least the decomposition process won't take long - the head was finished years ago.......
[ June 06, 2004, 09:52 AM: Message edited by: Wurm ]
Try:
War Criminal
Despot
Ruled by astrological fiat
And it was GHW Bush who finished off Kommyism, not this shoe-polish wearing WWII coward who left his first wife because she had a more successful acting career than his own pathetic joke of a career (and the fact that Nancy gave the best head in Hollywood).
John Wilkes Booth said it best: SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS
At least the decomposition process won't take long - the head was finished years ago.......
[ June 06, 2004, 09:52 AM: Message edited by: Wurm ]
Man, it must suck to hate so much...
This "finished off communism" sillyness is annoyng. Communism, in Eastern Europe, disolved under the weight of its own inadequacy. Except, of course, that a billion people still live under its tyrrany in a regime completely ignored by all American presidents since Nixon. I don't see that as a great victory. And accusing those of us here with a socialist bent of being communist is unfair. Beyond that, calling your political opponents "unamerican" is the most obnoxious of political sophistry. It would be easy for those of us who believe in the First Amendment to call the religious right unamerican for their obvious attemtps to create a christian theocracy in our country. Perhaps that's a rhetorical strategy we should try.
uh sorry folks, it's a FACT that ray-gun brought down the commies... the only ones who wont admit that are a few of you who cheerleaded thier way of life.
Face your boy (the hick from ark) ran around for 8 years trying to be ray-gun. Trying to top ray-gun. However, never accomplishing nothing. Having a legacy of head in the office.
Your other prez had a legacy of gas lines and inflation. The only good thing that man does is build houses where trailers used to stand...
Ray-gun was a true hero of America and restored this country from it's lost pride.
this man will go down as the GREATEST president of our time.
Face your boy (the hick from ark) ran around for 8 years trying to be ray-gun. Trying to top ray-gun. However, never accomplishing nothing. Having a legacy of head in the office.
Your other prez had a legacy of gas lines and inflation. The only good thing that man does is build houses where trailers used to stand...
Ray-gun was a true hero of America and restored this country from it's lost pride.
this man will go down as the GREATEST president of our time.
Uh yea, I was real proud of the Iran-Contra affair. Truly the American way!
How many YEARS before "ray-gun" even uttered the AIDS word....remember....the "gay plague" that spread to the straight population do in part to neglect from the "greatest"? That was some "true" leadership.
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How many YEARS before "ray-gun" even uttered the AIDS word....remember....the "gay plague" that spread to the straight population do in part to neglect from the "greatest"? That was some "true" leadership.
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I'm shocked that anybody could be happy about the death of another human being. It kind of lowers the opinion I have had regarding some of the people on this board.
Reagan caused countless deaths of AIDS victims by preventing any funding of research. He nearly caused World War III with his \"We have outlawed Russia\" comment. He created a financial hole so large is was not solved until the end of the first Clinton term. He took money away from free school lunch programs for the poor to fund \"Star Wars\". I'm shocked that anybody could be happy about the death of another human being. It kind of lowers the opinion I have had regarding some of the people on this board.
I feel no more compassion for Reagan than I do for Saddam Hussein, the latter to whom Reagan sold the weapons of mass destruction in 1983 (Donald Rumsfeld himself there to sell said weapons).
Reagan was as self-serving about stem-cell research as he was about AIDS funding. When Ryan White and his family called for help, Reagan refused; after Reagan left office, he claimed to have always supported White and his family. Likewise, until Reagan's brain started to fail he was against stem-cell research. Only once it was in his own selfish self-interest did his or his friends and family change their tune.
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Is this what it means to be a Liberal Democrat? You can rejoice at the death of a 93 year old man that has been gravely ill, with no political power, for a very long time?
Being glad he kicked off pales in comparison to the terrorism and deaths of innocent people that Reagan caused througout the world. (Read about Beirut and Nicaragua if you're not familiar with them.)
1974: Commenting on the SLA's Patricia Hearst ransom demand of free food for the poor, California's Gov. Ronald Reagan says, \"It's just too bad we can't have an epidemic of botulism.\"
Advocating the deaths of the poor by a painful death. How compassionate. How conservative.
\"Let them eat ketchup\" Ronnie Ray-gun once said.
Now let the worms eat him.
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It amazes me that the same people who say Conservatives are hateful and mean spirited can turn around and act this way. Instead of wishing Conservatives were dead, or calling them monkeys, why don't you engage them at the ballot box.
for the death penalty to be taken off the table, yet in so many other cases, Shrub and his cronies have or do gleefully execute people.
Bob Dog
[ June 06, 2004, 11:03 AM: Message edited by: Bob Dog ]
PhillyFan, your belief that Reagan brought down Communism only confirms your very narrow view of world politics, but it's so prevalent with Reagan supporters that we would have to ask ourselves, "Well, what else could one expect?"
If only you folks would have put this much hatred into the USSR that you did for Ray-Gun.
Calling someone an evil empire almost caused WW3? Are you people REALLY that stupid? wait..
But actually, ya'all can squack all you want, his legacy is set and you guys will have to simmer with his great legacy as one of the greatest presidents of all time. That can not be erased by your blind, ignorant hatred or a REAL american.
Calling someone an evil empire almost caused WW3? Are you people REALLY that stupid? wait..
But actually, ya'all can squack all you want, his legacy is set and you guys will have to simmer with his great legacy as one of the greatest presidents of all time. That can not be erased by your blind, ignorant hatred or a REAL american.
Well as all politicians go, I always had a sort of uneasy impression of him and his politics...afterall, I believe our current political/conservative climate we face in our Country are the aftereffects of his time in Office.....but I'm curious to see if there will be protests etc by liberal groups in and around his funeral service.....if this happens, I'd dare such groups to complain of Fred Phelps and his type afterward.
NJ
NJ
Agree with it or not, all name calling aside, here are some reasons people in our community feel the way they do about Ronald Reagan (dead or alive).
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Sunday, June 6, 2004
A Letter to My Best Friend, Steven Powsner On the Death of Former President Ronald Reagan
Matt Foreman, Executive Director National Gay and Lesbian Task Force
June 6, 2004
Dear Steven,
I so much wish you were here today to tell me what to do. You would know if it's right to comment on the death of former President Reagan, or if I should just let pass the endless paeans to his greatness. But you're not here. The policies of the Reagan administration saw to that.
Yes, Steven, I do feel for the family and friends of the former President. The death of a loved one is always a profoundly sad occasion, and Mr. Reagan was loved by many. I have tremendous empathy and respect for Mrs. Reagan, who lovingly cared for him through excruciating years of Alzheimer's.
Sorry, Steven, but even on this day I'm not able to set aside the shaking anger I feel over Reagan's non-response to the AIDS epidemic or for the continuing anti-gay legacy of his administration. Is it personal? Of course. AIDS was first reported in 1981, but President Reagan could not bring himself to address the plague until March 31, 1987, at which time there were 60,000 reported cases of full-blown AIDS and 30,000 deaths. I remember that day, Steven - you were staying round-the-clock in Memorial Sloan Kettering Hospital caring for your dying partner of over 15 years, Bruce Cooper. It was another 41 days of utter agony for both of you before Bruce died. During those years of White House silence and inaction, how many other dear friends did we see sicken and die hideous deaths?
Is it personal? Yes, Steven. I know for a fact that you would be alive today if the Reagan administration had mounted even a tepid response to the epidemic. If protease inhibitors been available in July of 1995 instead of December, you'd still be here.
I wouldn't feel so angry if the Reagan administration's failing was due to ignorance or bureaucratic ineptitude. No, Steven, we knew then it was deliberate. The government's response was dictated by the grip of evangelical Christian conservatives who saw gay people as sinners and AIDS as God's well-deserved punishment. Remember? The White House Director of Communications, Patrick Buchanan, once argued in print that AIDS is nature's revenge on gay men. Reagan's Secretary of Education, William Bennett, and his domestic policy adviser, Gary Bauer, made sure that science (and basic tenets of Christianity, for that matter) never got in the way of politics or what they saw as \"God's\" work.
Even so, I think I could let go of this anger if this was just another overwhelmingly sad chapter in our nation's past. It is not. Steven, can you believe that the unholy pact President Reagan and the Republican Party entered with the forces of religious intolerance have not weakened, but grown exponentially stronger? Can you believe that the U.S. government is still bowing to right wing extremists and fighting condom distribution and explicit HIV education, even while AIDS is killing millions across the world? Or that \"devout\" Christians have forced the scrapping of AIDS prevention programs targeted at HIV-negative gay and bisexual men in favor of bullshit \"abstinence only until marriage\" initiatives? Or the shameless duplicity of these same forces seeking to forever outlaw even the hope of marriage for gay people? Or that Reagan stalwarts like Buchanan, Bennett and Bauer are still grinding their homophobic axes?
No, Steven, I do not presume to judge Ronald Reagan's soul or heart. He may very well have been a nice guy. In fact, I don't think that Reagan hated gay people -- I'm sure some of his and Nancy's best friends were gay. But I do know that the Reagan administration's policies on AIDS and anything gay-related resulted - and continue to result - in despair and death.
Oh, Steven, how much I wish so much you were here.
Matt
(On November 20, 1995, Steven Powsner, died of complications from AIDS at age 40. He had been President of the New York City Lesbian and Gay Community Services Center from 1992-1994.)
A Letter to My Best Friend, Steven Powsner On the Death of Former President Ronald Reagan
Matt Foreman, Executive Director National Gay and Lesbian Task Force
June 6, 2004
Dear Steven,
I so much wish you were here today to tell me what to do. You would know if it's right to comment on the death of former President Reagan, or if I should just let pass the endless paeans to his greatness. But you're not here. The policies of the Reagan administration saw to that.
Yes, Steven, I do feel for the family and friends of the former President. The death of a loved one is always a profoundly sad occasion, and Mr. Reagan was loved by many. I have tremendous empathy and respect for Mrs. Reagan, who lovingly cared for him through excruciating years of Alzheimer's.
Sorry, Steven, but even on this day I'm not able to set aside the shaking anger I feel over Reagan's non-response to the AIDS epidemic or for the continuing anti-gay legacy of his administration. Is it personal? Of course. AIDS was first reported in 1981, but President Reagan could not bring himself to address the plague until March 31, 1987, at which time there were 60,000 reported cases of full-blown AIDS and 30,000 deaths. I remember that day, Steven - you were staying round-the-clock in Memorial Sloan Kettering Hospital caring for your dying partner of over 15 years, Bruce Cooper. It was another 41 days of utter agony for both of you before Bruce died. During those years of White House silence and inaction, how many other dear friends did we see sicken and die hideous deaths?
Is it personal? Yes, Steven. I know for a fact that you would be alive today if the Reagan administration had mounted even a tepid response to the epidemic. If protease inhibitors been available in July of 1995 instead of December, you'd still be here.
I wouldn't feel so angry if the Reagan administration's failing was due to ignorance or bureaucratic ineptitude. No, Steven, we knew then it was deliberate. The government's response was dictated by the grip of evangelical Christian conservatives who saw gay people as sinners and AIDS as God's well-deserved punishment. Remember? The White House Director of Communications, Patrick Buchanan, once argued in print that AIDS is nature's revenge on gay men. Reagan's Secretary of Education, William Bennett, and his domestic policy adviser, Gary Bauer, made sure that science (and basic tenets of Christianity, for that matter) never got in the way of politics or what they saw as \"God's\" work.
Even so, I think I could let go of this anger if this was just another overwhelmingly sad chapter in our nation's past. It is not. Steven, can you believe that the unholy pact President Reagan and the Republican Party entered with the forces of religious intolerance have not weakened, but grown exponentially stronger? Can you believe that the U.S. government is still bowing to right wing extremists and fighting condom distribution and explicit HIV education, even while AIDS is killing millions across the world? Or that \"devout\" Christians have forced the scrapping of AIDS prevention programs targeted at HIV-negative gay and bisexual men in favor of bullshit \"abstinence only until marriage\" initiatives? Or the shameless duplicity of these same forces seeking to forever outlaw even the hope of marriage for gay people? Or that Reagan stalwarts like Buchanan, Bennett and Bauer are still grinding their homophobic axes?
No, Steven, I do not presume to judge Ronald Reagan's soul or heart. He may very well have been a nice guy. In fact, I don't think that Reagan hated gay people -- I'm sure some of his and Nancy's best friends were gay. But I do know that the Reagan administration's policies on AIDS and anything gay-related resulted - and continue to result - in despair and death.
Oh, Steven, how much I wish so much you were here.
Matt
(On November 20, 1995, Steven Powsner, died of complications from AIDS at age 40. He had been President of the New York City Lesbian and Gay Community Services Center from 1992-1994.)
Reagan may not have been a champion against AIDs or gay rights in the 80s, but you can bet he loved his gay son, Ron Jr., as the man stood next to his bed at his final breaths.
Give the Pres a little mercy. He was 69 years old when he took office and hardly of a generation or religious background that could possibly accept homosexuality as smoothly (or perhaps tactfully) as politicians will today.
Star Wars, while a loony and expensive idea, did help kill the Cold War. Reagan simply spent the Russians into revolt with space weapons, stealth and Trident subs.
I'll take terrorists in 2004 over nuclear annilihation.
Thank you, Ronnie, for what good you did and God Bless America for moving ahead after you left office.
Give the Pres a little mercy. He was 69 years old when he took office and hardly of a generation or religious background that could possibly accept homosexuality as smoothly (or perhaps tactfully) as politicians will today.
Star Wars, while a loony and expensive idea, did help kill the Cold War. Reagan simply spent the Russians into revolt with space weapons, stealth and Trident subs.
I'll take terrorists in 2004 over nuclear annilihation.
Thank you, Ronnie, for what good you did and God Bless America for moving ahead after you left office.
Well his "gay son" married a woman many years ago.
While your "excuse" for Reagan's behavior towards gays is plausible on the outside, it holds no water. President Reagan may have been an old geezer (and the very first Divorcee) when he entered office, but he spent MANY years in Hollywood and HAD to have been around gay people on a daily basis. You would have thought he would have dealt with the issue with a little more compassion than the Buchanans's and Bauer's of his administration...politics.
I must admit I made the mistake of voting for him once. It was my first Presidential election. Young and stupid...what more can I say?
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While your "excuse" for Reagan's behavior towards gays is plausible on the outside, it holds no water. President Reagan may have been an old geezer (and the very first Divorcee) when he entered office, but he spent MANY years in Hollywood and HAD to have been around gay people on a daily basis. You would have thought he would have dealt with the issue with a little more compassion than the Buchanans's and Bauer's of his administration...politics.
I must admit I made the mistake of voting for him once. It was my first Presidential election. Young and stupid...what more can I say?
[ June 06, 2004, 02:10 PM: Message edited by: HornFan ]
I work at the LA Times and was part of the Reagan obit editing team last night. One of the editor's said her mom met Reagan for dinner in his Hollywood days. After a few drinks, Ronnie couldn't stop gossiping about who was gay in the film biz. I jokingly suggested we add this factoid to the 6 full-pages! obituary that ran today.
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MIB:
A better orator of doublespeak I haven’t seen in a very long time.
Well, Ump (and I'm going to continue to call you that if I reply to you, because your repugnant views are so much like his that even if by some miracle of birth you aren't him, you're clearly his ideological exact twin and the tone, language and viewpoints are so identical that it seems to be much more than a coincidence), it's true that I'm a better orator than George W. Bush. But then again, who isn't? And unlike most of the right-wing scum, I don't claim or pretend to be a saint.A better orator of doublespeak I haven’t seen in a very long time.
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Joe in Philly:
Two other points: I don't give a damn about your opinion of me. And, don't be feeling so high and mighty because unless you're a moron or a liar, you know damn well in your heart that there will be right-wingers rejoicing whenever Bill or Hillary Clinton passes away.
I purposely left out any quote, or mention of anyone specific in my original post. I knew those who felt guilty would come forward themselves. This is an open forum. If you prefer to wish death upon people, so be it. But, I also have the right to express my opinion, which I did. Two other points: I don't give a damn about your opinion of me. And, don't be feeling so high and mighty because unless you're a moron or a liar, you know damn well in your heart that there will be right-wingers rejoicing whenever Bill or Hillary Clinton passes away.
As for Bill and Hillary. Come on. I actually wish them both a very healthy long life. Those two buffoons are the Democratic Party's biggest problem. Bill Clinton is the modern day Richard Nixon. The Democrats don't even see it, which is fine with me.
Hmmm ... I always heard Ron Jr. was one of us. Ma fawlt.
And it also crossed my mind that Reagan must have worked with tons of gay people in his movie career.
And it also crossed my mind that Reagan must have worked with tons of gay people in his movie career.
Philly Fan-
You give only the credit to Reagan for bringing the Cold War to an end. But it was the powers that be on both sides that allowed it to happen. Reagan is not solely responsible for this action- his hard nosed style put a solid knock on the door, but the doors open on the other end allowed for its completion.
I think Reagan did a lot of good things for our nation, but he also did quite a lot of bad. He demonstrated bigotry of the poor and specifically those suffering from AIDS. So you have to understand how people on this board from that time period, who had friends and family dying of that disease- would be offended by his regime.
I was too young to understand everything that Reagan did for our nation- there was some good- but he had his scandals and negatives. I think the majority of the people have been a bit harsh, but you have to be able to think beyond your own self and have empathy for something beyond yourself and others in society to understand that- and your comments and approach in providing commentary lends itself to understanding a very small piece of society... and that is the weakness of the Republican Party in General and of Mr Reagan. I
f in foresight he saw that he would suffer so harshly from Alzheimers- I think he might have been a bit more compassionate to understanding the terrible complications of HIV/AIDS- in part which late stages can mimic the dementia and neurological deficits similar as Alzheimers- he may have truly demonstrated to be a complete Great Communicator and Compassionate Conservative.
You give only the credit to Reagan for bringing the Cold War to an end. But it was the powers that be on both sides that allowed it to happen. Reagan is not solely responsible for this action- his hard nosed style put a solid knock on the door, but the doors open on the other end allowed for its completion.
I think Reagan did a lot of good things for our nation, but he also did quite a lot of bad. He demonstrated bigotry of the poor and specifically those suffering from AIDS. So you have to understand how people on this board from that time period, who had friends and family dying of that disease- would be offended by his regime.
I was too young to understand everything that Reagan did for our nation- there was some good- but he had his scandals and negatives. I think the majority of the people have been a bit harsh, but you have to be able to think beyond your own self and have empathy for something beyond yourself and others in society to understand that- and your comments and approach in providing commentary lends itself to understanding a very small piece of society... and that is the weakness of the Republican Party in General and of Mr Reagan. I
f in foresight he saw that he would suffer so harshly from Alzheimers- I think he might have been a bit more compassionate to understanding the terrible complications of HIV/AIDS- in part which late stages can mimic the dementia and neurological deficits similar as Alzheimers- he may have truly demonstrated to be a complete Great Communicator and Compassionate Conservative.
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