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gmginsfo
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TomFord:
What did Dean say about this?
Do you mean "WWDD?" wink
bobby78751
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TomFord:
What did Dean say about this?
Dean said yesterday that this is a political ploy. Kerry said he is entitled to his opinion and that he is keeping him on the team. A direct slight at Bush who dismisses anyone who disagrees with him.
fenwayguy
It is what it isn't, and it isn't what it is, per Tom Ridge:

Sunday, Aug 1 - "The kind of information available to us today is the result of the president's leadership in the war against terror."

Tuesday, Aug 3 - "We don't do politics. This is not about politics."
Cadillac
SUNDAY - BREAKING NEWS - Tom Ridge Press Conference - JUST IN...Terrorist posed to strike, locations named!

TUESDAY - ...this information is 3-4 years old. Maybe this was the plan of attack BEFORE deciding to fly planes into buildings....

This info is just like this administration. A day old and a dollar short...well, more like 433 BILLION SHORT

You know, HAD THEY STATED THE TRUTH UP FRONT (how many times have we had to use this line?),...that the data was 3-4 years old....I would have appreciated the update, but to declare a BREAKING NEWS CONFERENCE and report this as it was CURRENT DATA is, as they say....the way this administration operates. Who can they blame this on? Let's try this...BUSH IS STUPID AND CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH - IT DOESN'T FIT INTO HIS AGENDA.

FEAR is what motivates Bush, Fear and division - it's what he HAS TO HAVE for any chance at actually WINNING this election.

[ August 03, 2004, 03:45 PM: Message edited by: PewterPirate ]
J1780
What if there's another laptop?

I know there can only be one, but, for argument's sake, what if there was another?

And what if it contained pictures of or plans to bomb nuclear plants, bridges, water sources, or electric grids? Oh, wait. we heard abput that three years ago. But what if..........?

Wow! We would need alot of Police! And they would probably be able to protect the plants, bridges, reservoirs, and power lines.

So I would go get some chips and beer at a convenience store. And a customer may be causing a disturbance. It'd be ok. The Police always come quick. The reservoir really isn't that far away. I am safe.
illini n milwaukee
Yes, we sure need a lot of police, surveillance, etc...........or we could just protect our borders. How many of the 9/11 hijackers were here legally? A few? But our genius President wants to grant everyone currently in the country citizenship. Smaaaaaaaart.
Bryan
Here we go, the real flip flopping has begun. First we have an imminent threat so we block the streets and raise our terror alerts to highest priority. Then we're told that this is based on intelligence gathered pre-9/11. Now we're told that this intelligence was re-assessed as recently as Jan. 04 - but actually the intelligence on the laptop may have just been looked at in Jan. 04.

Anyone have any idea what's really going on? Are we pawns in the re-election process? If we stay good and scared, will big bad Bush come out the week before the election telling us that everything's fine and that he's averted the threat just in time?
gmginsfo
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illini n milwaukee:
Yes, we sure need a lot of police, surveillance, etc...........or we could just protect our borders.  How many of the 9/11 hijackers were here legally?  A few?  But our genius President wants to grant everyone currently in the country citizenship.  Smaaaaaaaart.
President Bush will be disabused of this notion soon enough, if he hasn't been already and is just waiting for the best time to announce it. Kerry, conversely, is expanding on it and will surely not abandon it in his misplaced efforts to capture what the Dems perceive as "the Latino vote."

Whenever the info now being relied upon to justify the Orange Alert was discovered, the stated intentions of the left to block the streets and "creatively disrupt" the GOP Convention in NYC are now more mistimed and misdirected - and pointless, expensive and dangerous - than ever. Where was their precious "rage against the machine" in Boston? Time, place and circumstances do count for something in assessing the validity of free speech, and it will be interesting to see if "speech as violence" sets any legal precedents. Make no mistake, these people aren't about working for positive social change; they're all about fostering disruption, chaos and disorder. I know - I lived among these misfits in San Francisco for 25 years.
Bryan
Oh, okay, so the entire "left," all who believe in free speech, all who disagree with the way the religious right wing is running the country into the ground, all live in San Francisco?

Perhaps someone is still bitter over getting trounced so thoroughly by Ms. Pelosi here in SF?
Who was the real misfit here? Of course, San Francisco accepts misfits; it's only the conservative gay republicans who don't accept the misfits.
fantomas
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gmginsfo:
 Time, place and circumstances do count for something in assessing the validity of free speech, and it will be interesting to see if \"speech as violence\" sets any legal precedents.  Make no mistake, these people aren't about working for positive social change; they're all about fostering disruption, chaos and disorder.
Maybe you shouldn't be so harsh on the GOP--they're not all trying to foster "disruption, chaos and disorder," just the people in the White House. It won't help that the police and firemen in New York City haven't gotten a new contract in 2 years, and the Republican administration in Gracie Mansion, in an attempt to be tough, won't negotiate in good faith.

Here's the chaos the W administration may face in NYC: picketing cops and firefighters; enraged protesters from the right and left, who've been denied permits to protest near the convention (and they don't have a pen where they'll be fairly close to the convention hall, as in Boston); wacko anarchists who've come up with numerous plans to disrupt everything; and a vulnerable city infrastructure, because the White House has stonewalled and failed in numerous ways to protect the city of New York, our financial capital, and many other parts of the country, since we're dumping billions of our tax dollars ("It's the people's money"--W) into the Iraq sinkhole.
fantomas
Speaking of the White Haus, what do people think of the leaking of the Pakistani undercover agent's name? It's certainly upset intelligence officials in Britain and Pakistan!

From Salon.com:

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Hindering the \"war on terror,\" cont.
New York Sen. Chuck Schumer sent letters to the White House demanding to know why administration officials leaked the name of an al-Qaida double agent who had been providing our allies intelligence information. Schumer noted that British and Pakistani officials were furious at the outing of the mole. \"As you know, I believe that openness in government is generally the best policy, but the important exception should be anything that compromises national security. The statements of the British and Pakistani officials indicate that such a compromise may have occurred. In light of this possibility, I respectfully request an explanation to me and any other Member of Congress who might wish one of who leaked this Mr. Khan's name, for what reason it was leaked, and whether the British and Pakistani reports that this leak compromised future intelligence activity are accurate,\" Schumer wrote.


We don't really need to hear from the administration, though, whether future intelligence activity was compromised. The story out of Pakistan, according to the AP, is that \"some al-Qaida fugitives escaped after news reports revealed the arrest of a computer expert for Osama bin Laden's network who was cooperating with investigators … [the] al-Qaida suspects abruptly changed their hide-outs and moved to unknown places.\" The White House claims to be \"winning the war on terror.\" We're no terrorism experts, but helping al-Qaida suspects get away and drying up critical intelligence streams doesn't seem the way to go.

And by the way, doesn't this story deserve more attention than it's getting in the media?

-- Geraldine Sealey

[12:27 PDT, Aug. 10, 2004]
coyoteugly
French Homeland Security - Terror Alert

AP and UPI reported that the French Government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "run" to "hide." The only two higher levels in France are "surrender" and "collaborate." The raise was precipitated by the recent fire which destroyed one of Frances' white flag factories, disabling their military.
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