I'm a Republican and even I'm outraged about this. A party chief for this one state warned this guy that if he ran for office, "real bullets" will be coming his way. And you wanna know what makes this even more outrageous? Seems like a few men in this guy's family died tragically of gunshot wounds. This is a democracy and people's lives shouldn't be threatened merely because they want to run for office.

Who did the threatening: Bob Mulholland, party spokesman for the California Democratic party.

Who'd he threaten? Arnold Schwarzenegger. Republican and candidate for governor. Seems that some of Arnold's wife's cousins were tragically killed at a young age by gunshot. Maybe you've heard of Arnold's cousin-in-laws, John and Bobby Kennedy?

[ August 11, 2003, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: Charlie in the Trees ]

CITT, this sounds like stretching--"real bullets" being figurative, not literal, as in, real challenges as opposed to the fictional ones of his Hollywood films. I mean, there's enough wackiness with this race that you don't have to stretch so far!

And I bet Arnold's father, who supposedly was a Nazi soldier faced real bullets. Arnold's pal Herr Kurt Waldheim sure did--when he ordered that massacre during WW II.

Thanks Fantomas for bringing some sanity to the previous post. Here's the quote: ''Schwarzenegger is going to find out, that unlike a Hollywood movie set, the bullets coming at him in this campaign are going to be real bullets and he is going to have to respond to them,''

Bob Mulholland has apologized for the using the word "bullets" and rightly so--it was a poor choice of words, but I don't think anyone seriously thinks Mulholland was threatening Arnold with physical harm.

[ August 12, 2003, 01:01 AM: Message edited by: shawnq ]

I'm a republican also and I'm not outraged by the comment.

Charlie... Your trying to turn this throw away comment into something else (democratic chief threatens Kennedy clan???) is really quite silly and specious at best. Come on.

What was being said is no different than what many have said repeatedly; the scrutiny of papparazzi faced by hollywood stars is nothing compared to the crushing loss of privacy we reserve for politicians.

a side note.... since you're an attorney, I'm sure you know that the plural of "cousin in-law" is "cousins in-law" as opposed to "cousin in-laws".
Just as the plural of "attorney general" is "attorneys general" not "attorney generals"

Oh my God - You have GOT to be kidding.
You've really hit rock bottom (figuratively, not literally) when you throw stones (figuratively, not literally) about that statement.

And if it had been a liberal Dem Hollywood actor running for office ... Ben Affleck? Tim Robbins? Meathead? ... and the Republican party spokesmodel had made that statement, you all know you would be having massive coniptions right now.

One last thing ...
C'mon, you're about as Republican as Arianna Huffington. And, as an attorney, I know there is no such thing as a "cousin-in-law," so when I use that non-existent phrase, I'll pluralize it any d*mn way I please. wink

Since we are really getting off the point of the thread...aren't John and Bobby Kennedy Maria's uncles, hence Arnold's uncles-in-law? :confused:

[ August 12, 2003, 08:33 AM: Message edited by: pat125 ]

Originally posted by Charlie in the Trees:
And if it had been a liberal Dem Hollywood actor running for office ... Ben Affleck? Tim Robbins? Meathead? ... and the Republican party spokesmodel had made that statement, you all know you would be having massive coniptions right now.

I wont speak for everyone but if that were the case I wouldnt be having "coniptions", I would be using common sense to understand what he meant.

By the way, Arnold is a major liberal, not withstanding that he is a repug. He is pro choice, pro gay rights, favors gun control.

I'm afraid in Washington or in other political arenas, most people choose to bypass common sense, and go for the most twisted interpretation. I've seen that on this board as well.

I have to admit, I do not know how I would react...I think I would have been offended at least untill I got past the sound bite and read the whole story.

So the bullets coming at Arnold in the movies are fake, but in the campaign they'll be real, but in the "fake" definition of real. So the real fake bullets aren't real, but fake, but since they're real, Arnold will have to deal with them. Because these real fake bullets are real. Very California.

Of course if you say you're not going to buy a Dixie Chicks album because of their childish insults against the President, you're a threat to free speech and to the Chicks' livelihood (pork chops, etc.). Predict that a Republican candidate will be facing "real bullets" in a campaign and you're, you know, just being funny.

Hey poor choice of words - fine, but was this a threat against Ahnold? Certainly not.

I was feeling outraged (and assumed it would be at a Democrat) when I first read CIIT's thread, but having read the full statement, I don't believe I would have been upset if the situation had been reversed.

Has it also occurred to anyone that the guy may be right - any celebrity is a target by loonies - add in a political campaign and you just increase the chances of a Hinkley-like occurrance.

William1865, unsure if your post is directed at anyone's reply.....
I have jumped over and did some reading on what was said, here is my take.
I think the remark was in very bad taste,esp considering the history of his wifes family. Therefore I think a big I am sorry is owed to Arnold and his wife. I would also like to see Ted Kennedy request a public " Sorry" as well.
Truth is IF Arnold was a Dem and say Kral Rove had made the same remark I would be on this board saying he owed an public "Sorry" to Arnold, and his wife.

When were you designated as the person to define the Republican Party? In fact, many people with Ung's (and many of Arnold's) views for much of the 20th century constituted the mainstream of the Republican Party. It has been hijacked by Christian fanatics, anti-tax maniacs, JINSA agents, and craven plutocrats who can't wait to transfer everyone else's tax dollars to their own already-bulging pockets. Oops, that has been the GOP mantra since the end of the 19th century, so in that regard, not much has changed.

Also, when did Ben Affleck become a liberal spokesperson? No matter what he's pushing, I'm running the opposite direction. I hope that now that his atrocity "Gigli" has befouled numerous movie theaters we won't have to see his huge blank equine face or that steatopygian rump of his (pseudo?) fiancée, any more anytime soon. Maybe they'll do us all a favor, find Hinduism or Zoroastrianism or something and steal away to the Himalayas for a good decade or so.

(And really, doesn't the sham that they or their agents or their studios or whomever concocted for their "marriage"-tie in to that dreadful excuse for a film do more damage to the age-old institution of matrimony than ANYTHING any two homosexuals could come up with?)

CITT, this is what you must understand of our "social-commie" friends here....

What they say is ok, just a poor choice of words but you know what they meant...HOW dare you take it for what it is, real fake bullets.

Should a republican use these words, they are racists or homophobes... cause you see that is what we are.... It makes perfect sense to them. Speak the truth= racist. Pander to people feeling sorry for themselves= right. Quite simple.

The dem was just making a point, and you took it the wrong way. Should any of us make it, well the PC just kicks in and they use the word.. racist.

So with that, pork chop and potato salad for all at the big happy pic-nic.

Ahhhh-nold wins this election, hands down. You heard it here first. Book it baby.

PhillyFan thinks he's the first to proclaim Ar-null-duh the winner?

What a joke. Pose somewhere else PF because you rarely offer any insight that is your own. Seems to me your only copping some other neo-con's opinion to generate attention.

I wonder if Arnold will actually vote???

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/08/12/...enegger.voting/

I've never seen PF pose here, but I'm sure it would be interesting....

Ben's been quiet politically lately, but he was very prominent in campaigning for Algore in the last presidential election.

Come pose over here, Philly Fan. Actually, 6iron, as someone's who's actually seen Philly Fan in the flesh, you should be so lucky that he'd pose in your general direction. wink

And as far as jettisoning any posters that don't think for themselves and simply regurgitate the opinions of others -- if we enforced that rule, it'd really clear this place out. I think W1865 and I would survive on the right, and fantomas certainly would on the left, but as to the rest of you: we'd really miss you all. wink

Poser.... huh, is that like the canadian movie where they called everyone hosers?

William, you crack me up sometimes! I wish Ump25 was here to do the same. I miss his comments on stuff like this. :cool:

My pleasure. Amen on the Ump25 observation...

Charlie,

as I have previously said, I am a republican who is very devoted to the ideals of the Republican Party.

I seriously doubt the party of several years ago would have been composed of those who were more concerned with "speaking in tongues" while evangelizing about their lord. as such I refuse to let you define and dictate what exactly constitutes a republican and what does not.

More precisely, I don't appreciate these Johnny-come-latelies fleeing by the droves from the democratic party to seek refuge in my party with their theories of racial superiority and public Bible thumping... crying out "Thank you Jesus!" every time their pancakes turn out fluffy. That just is not proper.

I don't begrudge you your right to call yourself "republican" as I'm sure you believe it. But next time you find your way over to a country club (not the nouveau riche kind)or The Union Club etc.... ask them how they perceive the definition of a republican.

You see.... unlike the pushover democrats, I don't allow others to dictate the how and why.

[ August 13, 2003, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: ung ]

No, thats Arnold on steriods.