Did anyone read this article in the NT times?
BOSTON — If blue states care less about moral values, why are divorce rates so low in the bluest of the blue states? It's a question that intrigues conservatives, as much as it emboldens liberals.
As researchers have noted, the areas of the country where divorce rates are highest are also frequently the areas where many conservative Christians live.
Kentucky, Mississippi and Arkansas, for example, voted overwhelmingly for constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage. But they had three of the highest divorce rates in 2003, based on figures from the Census Bureau and the National Center for Health Statistics.
The lowest divorce rates are largely in the blue states: the Northeast and the upper Midwest. And the state with the lowest divorce rate was Massachusetts, home to John Kerry, the Kennedys and same-sex marriage.
In 2003, the rate in Massachusetts was 5.7 divorces per 1,000 married people, compared with 10.8 in Kentucky, 11.1 in Mississippi and 12.7 in Arkansas.
"Some people are saying, 'The Bible Belt is so pro-marriage, but gee, they have the highest divorce rates in the country,' " said Barbara Dafoe Whitehead, co-director of the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University. "And there's a lot of worry in the red states about the high rate of divorce."
That's the first half:
Unfortunately I've lost the link.
[ November 13, 2004, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: Thom ]
Gee I thought they considered marriage such a sacred institution? 
I bet the red states also have a higher rate of multiple marriages.
[ November 13, 2004, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: George_vikingfan ]
I bet the red states also have a higher rate of multiple marriages.[ November 13, 2004, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: George_vikingfan ]
What a conicidence. My partner just sent me this in an e-mail that's been making the rounds (pardon the French) :
[ November 13, 2004, 01:49 PM: Message edited by: sportinlife ]
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Rex Wockner on Election Day
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f**k the South. f**k 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted
to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay
part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves -
yeah, those are states we want to keep.
And now what do we get? We're the f**king Arrogant Northeast Liberal
Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America? The
Authentic America. Really?
Cause we f**king founded this country, ass****s. Those Founding
Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bullshit about what
you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to
keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't
bother to read the first half of the f**king sentence? Who do you
think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They
were f**king blue-staters, dickhead. Boston? Philadelphia? New York?
Hello? Think there might be a reason all the f**king monuments are up
here in our backyard?
No, No. Get the f**k out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell
and f**king Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real
American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who
do you think those f**king stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for
f**king blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten
their f**king Subarus together and broken off from New York a little
earlier. Get it? We started this shit, so don't get all uppity about
how real you are you Johnny-come-lately \"Oooooh I've been a state for
almost a hundred years\" dickheads. f**k off.
Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being f**king
arrogant? What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies? I
don't think so. Arrogance is the f**king cornerstone of what it means
to be American. And I wouldn't be so f**king arrogant if I wasn't
paying for your f**king bridges, bitch.
All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and
goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your f**king Tennessee Valley
Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And
the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying to
us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a f**king
swamp. \"Let the Spanish keep it, it's a shithole,\" we said, but you
had to have your f**king orange juice.
The next dickwad who says, \"It's your money, not the government's
money\" is gonna get their ass kicked. Nine of the ten states that get
the most federal f**king dollars and pay the least... can you guess?
Go on, guess. That's right, motherf**ker, they're red states. And
eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It's
too easy, ass****, they're blue states. It's not your money, ass****s,
it's f**king our money. What was that Real American Value you were
spouting a minute ago? Self reliance? Try this for self reliance: buy
your own f**king stop signs, ass****s.
Let's talk about those values for a f**king minute. You and your
Southern values can bite my ass because the blue states got the values
over you f**king Real Americans every day of the goddamn week. Which
state do you think has the lowest divorce rate you marriage-hyping
dickwads? Well? Can you guess? It's f**king Massachusetts, the f**king
center of the gay marriage universe. Yes, that's right, the state you
love to tie around the neck of anyone to the left of Strom Thurmond
has the lowest divorce rate in the f**king nation. Think that's just
some aberration? How about this: 9 of the 10 lowest divorce rates are
f**king blue states, ass****, and most are in the Northeast, where our
values suck so bad. And where are the highest divorce rates? Care to
f**king guess? 10 of the top 10 are f**king red-ass we're-so-f**king-
moral states. And while Nevada is the worst, the Bible Belt is doing
its f**king part.
But two guys making out is going to f**king ruin marriage for you?
Yeah? Seems like you're ruining it pretty well on your own, you little
bastards. Oh, but that's ok because you go to church, right? I mean
you do, right? Cause we f**king get to hear about it every goddamn
year at election time. Yes, we're fascinated by how you get up every
Sunday morning and sing, and then you're f**king towers of moral
superiority. Yeah, that's a workable formula. Maybe us f**king
Northerners don't talk about religion as much as you because we're not
so busy sinning, hmmm? Ever think of that, you self-righteous
ass****s? No, you're too busy erecting giant stone tablets of the Ten
Commandments in buildings paid for by the f**king Northeast Liberal
Elite. And who has the highest murder rates in the nation? It ain't us
up here in the North, ass****s.
Well this gravy train is f**king over. Take your liberal-bashing,
federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou,
hypocritical bullshit and shove it up your ass.
And no, you can't have your f**king convention in New York next time.
f**k off.
How's that for divisive?--------------------------
f**k the South. f**k 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted
to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay
part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves -
yeah, those are states we want to keep.
And now what do we get? We're the f**king Arrogant Northeast Liberal
Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America? The
Authentic America. Really?
Cause we f**king founded this country, ass****s. Those Founding
Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bullshit about what
you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to
keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't
bother to read the first half of the f**king sentence? Who do you
think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They
were f**king blue-staters, dickhead. Boston? Philadelphia? New York?
Hello? Think there might be a reason all the f**king monuments are up
here in our backyard?
No, No. Get the f**k out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell
and f**king Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real
American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who
do you think those f**king stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for
f**king blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten
their f**king Subarus together and broken off from New York a little
earlier. Get it? We started this shit, so don't get all uppity about
how real you are you Johnny-come-lately \"Oooooh I've been a state for
almost a hundred years\" dickheads. f**k off.
Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being f**king
arrogant? What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies? I
don't think so. Arrogance is the f**king cornerstone of what it means
to be American. And I wouldn't be so f**king arrogant if I wasn't
paying for your f**king bridges, bitch.
All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and
goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your f**king Tennessee Valley
Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And
the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying to
us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a f**king
swamp. \"Let the Spanish keep it, it's a shithole,\" we said, but you
had to have your f**king orange juice.
The next dickwad who says, \"It's your money, not the government's
money\" is gonna get their ass kicked. Nine of the ten states that get
the most federal f**king dollars and pay the least... can you guess?
Go on, guess. That's right, motherf**ker, they're red states. And
eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It's
too easy, ass****, they're blue states. It's not your money, ass****s,
it's f**king our money. What was that Real American Value you were
spouting a minute ago? Self reliance? Try this for self reliance: buy
your own f**king stop signs, ass****s.
Let's talk about those values for a f**king minute. You and your
Southern values can bite my ass because the blue states got the values
over you f**king Real Americans every day of the goddamn week. Which
state do you think has the lowest divorce rate you marriage-hyping
dickwads? Well? Can you guess? It's f**king Massachusetts, the f**king
center of the gay marriage universe. Yes, that's right, the state you
love to tie around the neck of anyone to the left of Strom Thurmond
has the lowest divorce rate in the f**king nation. Think that's just
some aberration? How about this: 9 of the 10 lowest divorce rates are
f**king blue states, ass****, and most are in the Northeast, where our
values suck so bad. And where are the highest divorce rates? Care to
f**king guess? 10 of the top 10 are f**king red-ass we're-so-f**king-
moral states. And while Nevada is the worst, the Bible Belt is doing
its f**king part.
But two guys making out is going to f**king ruin marriage for you?
Yeah? Seems like you're ruining it pretty well on your own, you little
bastards. Oh, but that's ok because you go to church, right? I mean
you do, right? Cause we f**king get to hear about it every goddamn
year at election time. Yes, we're fascinated by how you get up every
Sunday morning and sing, and then you're f**king towers of moral
superiority. Yeah, that's a workable formula. Maybe us f**king
Northerners don't talk about religion as much as you because we're not
so busy sinning, hmmm? Ever think of that, you self-righteous
ass****s? No, you're too busy erecting giant stone tablets of the Ten
Commandments in buildings paid for by the f**king Northeast Liberal
Elite. And who has the highest murder rates in the nation? It ain't us
up here in the North, ass****s.
Well this gravy train is f**king over. Take your liberal-bashing,
federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou,
hypocritical bullshit and shove it up your ass.
And no, you can't have your f**king convention in New York next time.
f**k off.
[ November 13, 2004, 01:49 PM: Message edited by: sportinlife ]
That's pretty sad, and disgusting. We didn't see such vitriol when Clinton won. Sure, there were some right-wing extremists not too happy about his winning, but they moved on and didn't have such a hard time with it.
And they wonder why this country is so divided.
And they wonder why this country is so divided.
I'll have some of whatever you're smoking today.
Despite the nasty language with it- the facts regarding divorce were correct. But I think the initial writer needs to realize the way a message is written can ruin truth.
MIB: The Republicans were very nasty and fought with several million dollars and government time to work at getting Bill Clinton impeached and for a lie about an issue that was a stupid-ass situation. I think that hatred is equal to what Democrats have demonstrated in their dismay with some of Bushes' policies.
MIB: The Republicans were very nasty and fought with several million dollars and government time to work at getting Bill Clinton impeached and for a lie about an issue that was a stupid-ass situation. I think that hatred is equal to what Democrats have demonstrated in their dismay with some of Bushes' policies.
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Thom
Unfortunately I've lost the link.
I'm certain there are quite a few by now. Here's one, to an op-ed piece.Unfortunately I've lost the link.
Walking the walk on family values
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The state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation is Massachusetts. At latest count it had a divorce rate of 2.4 per 1,000 population, while the rate for Texas was 4.1.
But don't take the US government's word for it. Take a look at the findings from the George Barna Research Group. George Barna, a born-again Christian whose company is in Ventura, Calif., found that Massachusetts does indeed have the lowest divorce rate among all 50 states. More disturbing was the finding that born-again Christians have among the highest divorce rates.
The Associated Press, using data supplied by the US Census Bureau, found that the highest divorce rates are to be found in the Bible Belt. The AP report stated that \"the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average of 4.2 per thousand people.\" The 10 Southern states with some of the highest divorce rates were Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. By comparison nine states in the Northeast were among those with the lowest divorce rates: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont.
....
William V. D'Antonio is professor emeritus at University of Connecticut and a visiting research professor at Catholic University in Washington, D.C.
The Barna GroupBut don't take the US government's word for it. Take a look at the findings from the George Barna Research Group. George Barna, a born-again Christian whose company is in Ventura, Calif., found that Massachusetts does indeed have the lowest divorce rate among all 50 states. More disturbing was the finding that born-again Christians have among the highest divorce rates.
The Associated Press, using data supplied by the US Census Bureau, found that the highest divorce rates are to be found in the Bible Belt. The AP report stated that \"the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average of 4.2 per thousand people.\" The 10 Southern states with some of the highest divorce rates were Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. By comparison nine states in the Northeast were among those with the lowest divorce rates: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont.
....
William V. D'Antonio is professor emeritus at University of Connecticut and a visiting research professor at Catholic University in Washington, D.C.
Edited to add another link.
To Avoid Divorce, Move to Massachusetts
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In 2003, the rate in Massachusetts was 5.7 divorces per 1,000 married people, compared with 10.8 in Kentucky, 11.1 in Mississippi and 12.7 in Arkansas.
\"Some people are saying, 'The Bible Belt is so pro-marriage, but gee, they have the highest divorce rates in the country,' \" said Barbara Dafoe Whitehead, co-director of the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University. \"And there's a lot of worry in the red states about the high rate of divorce.\"
....
\"The higher the educational level, higher the occupational level, higher the income, the less likely you are to divorce,\" said William V. D'Antonio, a sociologist at the Catholic University of America, pointing out that Massachusetts has the highest rate of high school and college completion.
\"Some people are saying, 'The Bible Belt is so pro-marriage, but gee, they have the highest divorce rates in the country,' \" said Barbara Dafoe Whitehead, co-director of the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University. \"And there's a lot of worry in the red states about the high rate of divorce.\"
....
\"The higher the educational level, higher the occupational level, higher the income, the less likely you are to divorce,\" said William V. D'Antonio, a sociologist at the Catholic University of America, pointing out that Massachusetts has the highest rate of high school and college completion.
[ November 14, 2004, 10:16 AM: Message edited by: twin58 ]
Yes, I agree with y'all. The divorce rate in the red states is higher than in the blue, so we can definitely dismiss everything the GOP stands for.
I do actually agree with kick-the GOP is reaping what they sowed and should not act all astonished that the DEMs are actually using the same tactics that were used during the Clinton years.
Y'all can rest assured. Almost every president that has been elected to a second term has been hobbled by scandal or illness. So, just wait for that scandal or the brains of the Bush administration (aka Cheney) to get ill.
Also, after such a strong willed personality as Bush, the pendulum will probably swing the other way in 2008.
I do actually agree with kick-the GOP is reaping what they sowed and should not act all astonished that the DEMs are actually using the same tactics that were used during the Clinton years.
Y'all can rest assured. Almost every president that has been elected to a second term has been hobbled by scandal or illness. So, just wait for that scandal or the brains of the Bush administration (aka Cheney) to get ill.
Also, after such a strong willed personality as Bush, the pendulum will probably swing the other way in 2008.
Not only are divorce rates lowest in Massachusetts and other Northeastern states, but so are out-of-wedlock births. As are obesity rates. And as I've noted elsewhere, these Blue states contribute far more to the Federal coffers than they get back. Yet they're constantly attacked by the right-wing idiots. Wockner's off his rocker, but his argument has basis in substance.
Oh, and let's add this bit: since W took office in 2000, abortion rates and rates of several different STDs have risen as well. But don't blame W! Abstinence teaching is "best"....
Oh, and let's add this bit: since W took office in 2000, abortion rates and rates of several different STDs have risen as well. But don't blame W! Abstinence teaching is "best"....
Gee, what else can we blame on W?
It must be so nice to take all the world's problems and tie them in a neat little bow and hand them off to one person. I never knew the Prez of the US had so much power.
I heard that W planted those STDs. Or people could have decided to copy Clinton and give lots of BJs, you know that is not real sex, and caught STDs that way. Both rasons are equally believeable. Or just as unbelievable-in my opinion.
It must be so nice to take all the world's problems and tie them in a neat little bow and hand them off to one person. I never knew the Prez of the US had so much power.
I heard that W planted those STDs. Or people could have decided to copy Clinton and give lots of BJs, you know that is not real sex, and caught STDs that way. Both rasons are equally believeable. Or just as unbelievable-in my opinion.
What about GOP's politicians?
I'm from Italy and here some important MPs and Cabinet Ministers from the centre-right winged coalition (which always advocate the importance of the traditional family) turns out to be divorced, remarried and with children out of the wedlock.
I'm from Italy and here some important MPs and Cabinet Ministers from the centre-right winged coalition (which always advocate the importance of the traditional family) turns out to be divorced, remarried and with children out of the wedlock.
AuN:
George Bush isn't directly responsible for divorces and abortions.
However, it is a fact that divorce rates and abortions increase in number when the economy goes bad.
Although Mr. Bush may not directly cause the bad economy, his policies have been bad for those who are poor and those that have low-paying jobs.
So although he didn't impale a woman's uterus or sign the divorce papers- the economic situation created by his policies could be indirectly associated.
I am less concerned about divorce... but I get more upset about abortion. The reasons women usually give when getting an abortion is economic and it occurs much more highly in urban areas.
William earlier commented on partial-birth abortions. I would like to know the numbers on partial birth abortions- how many actually occur...and also how many occur as a choice rather than medical necessity...
George Bush isn't directly responsible for divorces and abortions.
However, it is a fact that divorce rates and abortions increase in number when the economy goes bad.
Although Mr. Bush may not directly cause the bad economy, his policies have been bad for those who are poor and those that have low-paying jobs.
So although he didn't impale a woman's uterus or sign the divorce papers- the economic situation created by his policies could be indirectly associated.
I am less concerned about divorce... but I get more upset about abortion. The reasons women usually give when getting an abortion is economic and it occurs much more highly in urban areas.
William earlier commented on partial-birth abortions. I would like to know the numbers on partial birth abortions- how many actually occur...and also how many occur as a choice rather than medical necessity...
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auNsoccer:
It must be so nice to take all the world's problems and tie them in a neat little bow and hand them off to one person. I never knew the Prez of the US had so much power.
Sucks being president. I can't figure out why anyone would want the job. There are Republican majorities in both houses. There is a Republican in the White House. In my state, there isn't a Democrat in state wide elected office. Who else have I got to blame?
It must be so nice to take all the world's problems and tie them in a neat little bow and hand them off to one person. I never knew the Prez of the US had so much power.
You can't blame a politician or anyone else for what they don't do. That list is infinite. But they can and should be held responsible for what they do, and that's on the record for the different parties.
I think the record of the Bush administration is clearly hostile to gays.
I think the record of the Bush administration is clearly hostile to gays.
Red states to blue states:
Do as we say, not as we do.
Do as we say, not as we do.
Thanks for finding the original link Twin. It is the one "to avoid devorce".
This is not about blaming any specific politician it is more about highlighting their hypocracy and BS. The so called evil immoral anti-family liberals clearly know more about creating a pro-family society than the Religious wrong. This is also true on an international level. Anrea poi aggiungere un po’ qui. The scandanvian countries are among the most family friendly in the world and they give their gays and women all kinds of rights. They even allow parternity leave.
I'm not claiming we should adopt their system, in fact I would probably lean right in European politics. But in this country their is barely any left at all. And to claim that keeping gays in the closet, your children uneducated and your wife barefoot and pregnant is profamily is hopelessly hypocritical.
This is not about blaming any specific politician it is more about highlighting their hypocracy and BS. The so called evil immoral anti-family liberals clearly know more about creating a pro-family society than the Religious wrong. This is also true on an international level. Anrea poi aggiungere un po’ qui. The scandanvian countries are among the most family friendly in the world and they give their gays and women all kinds of rights. They even allow parternity leave.
I'm not claiming we should adopt their system, in fact I would probably lean right in European politics. But in this country their is barely any left at all. And to claim that keeping gays in the closet, your children uneducated and your wife barefoot and pregnant is profamily is hopelessly hypocritical.
I bow at the altar of the perfect blue states. Since they are so close to perfection, I can only assume that a lot more people are heading to these awsome blue states. I am sure these people want to live in a much more progressive life style than they would in the red states.
Jqueer-at least Alabama has a democrat woman for a lt. governor, so come over to our progressive state. Although we are the home of Judge Roy Moore, we did have people with the gumption to throw him out of office. We have a 2.5 ton granite rock with a little bit of writing on it, if ya want.
Jqueer-at least Alabama has a democrat woman for a lt. governor, so come over to our progressive state. Although we are the home of Judge Roy Moore, we did have people with the gumption to throw him out of office. We have a 2.5 ton granite rock with a little bit of writing on it, if ya want.
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auNsoccer:
I bow at the altar of the perfect blue states.
I've never understood this response. Why is the defense of criticism sarcastic insistence that the critic has to be perfect in order to be credible? Let's face it, Ebert wrote Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, not a terribly... perfect movie, but no one claims his opinions of movies is somehow less credible because of it. Blue states can be better than red states without being perfect. They can even be worse than red and still have legitimate moral claims against red states. The argument of the weak is to attack the legitimacy of their opponents rather than their ideas.
I bow at the altar of the perfect blue states.
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auNsoccer:
I bow at the altar of the perfect blue states. Since they are so close to perfection, I can only assume that a lot more people are heading to these awsome blue states.
oh, i hope there isn't some sort of mass northeastward migration to our little nirvana, because when those redders get here, we simply won't have them!
I bow at the altar of the perfect blue states. Since they are so close to perfection, I can only assume that a lot more people are heading to these awsome blue states.
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thersis:
... because when those redders get here, we simply won't have them!
Not even if we promise to bring all our guns and bibles? wink
... because when those redders get here, we simply won't have them!
y'all can bring all the bibles you want, but if you can't read 'em, don't be thumpin' 'em!
and leave your guns at the border of west virginia!
and leave your guns at the border of west virginia!
There is a lot of weakness in the arguments on this thread. The very title indicates that GB is being blamed for divorce rates being high in certain areas of the US. It is only because of the Prez election that the RED/BLUE issue has come up. You are blaming GB and his supporters for the high divorce rate and, from most of the threads in the POLITICS section of OUTSPORTS, for most of the US and world's problem. Very weak arguments.
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auNsoccer:
There is a lot of weakness in the arguments on this thread. The very title indicates that GB is being blamed for divorce rates being high in certain areas of the US. It is only because of the Prez election that the RED/BLUE issue has come up. You are blaming GB and his supporters for the high divorce rate and, from most of the threads in the POLITICS section of OUTSPORTS, for most of the US and world's problem. Very weak arguments.
What's in the water down there? No one's "blaming" George W, people are saying that the "holier than thou" red state crackpots--not ALL the red state people, just the majority that voted for Shrublet--trash blue state people all the time for the very things that the RED STATE people are doing! It's total hypocrisy. They blame gays for destroying traditional marriage, yet the hetero divorce rates are lowest IN THE STATE THAT HAS GAY MARRIAGE on the books. They trash "liberal values" for destroying the family, yet in these bible-thumping red states young'uns are contracting STDs, getting knocked up out of wedlock, etc., at far higher rates than the blue states. AND, though the red states trumpet having W in office as a protector of "traditional values,"etc., in some of those very states, women are rushing out to get abortions at higher rates now than they were when Whorin' BillyBob was in office. Wasn't he promoting abortions with every breath? Yet the number of abortions and the abortion rate BOTH went down from 1992-2000. It's risen in the 4 years under Mr. Anti-Abortion W.There is a lot of weakness in the arguments on this thread. The very title indicates that GB is being blamed for divorce rates being high in certain areas of the US. It is only because of the Prez election that the RED/BLUE issue has come up. You are blaming GB and his supporters for the high divorce rate and, from most of the threads in the POLITICS section of OUTSPORTS, for most of the US and world's problem. Very weak arguments.
It's the hypocrisy, dude. Not that hard to understand. You know, like the sick fags who ran the field program for the GOP, or W's campaign manager--both went out of their way to use gays as a wedge issue, push W's anti-gay agenda, yet one is trolling for bareback sex, the other can't even lie to say he's straight. Pathetic. Back to the regularly scheduled program....
[ November 16, 2004, 07:18 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
What fantomas said, and in addition, it's not just about the hypocrisy. As I said in an earlier post in this thread, who else is there to blame? If the Republicans are in charge of all or the majority of social institutions in the United States and the red states in particular, who else is there to blame if they're falling apart? If marriage is a social good, isn't the fact that more marriages are falling apart in states dominated by conservatives indicative that they are not effectively promoting the social good?
Did George W Bush cause his brother Neil's divorce? I highly doubt it. By all accounts, Neil is an idiot and a reprobate. This isn't about the particulars. This is about the trends, and the trends seem to indicate that conservatism is bad for marriage. If you can find some other unifying factor among the red states and blue states that have nothing to do with religion or political leaning, then there might be another explanation for why conservative dominated states can't seem to effectively promote marriage. Good luck.
Did George W Bush cause his brother Neil's divorce? I highly doubt it. By all accounts, Neil is an idiot and a reprobate. This isn't about the particulars. This is about the trends, and the trends seem to indicate that conservatism is bad for marriage. If you can find some other unifying factor among the red states and blue states that have nothing to do with religion or political leaning, then there might be another explanation for why conservative dominated states can't seem to effectively promote marriage. Good luck.
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MIB:
That's pretty sad, and disgusting. We didn't see such vitriol when Clinton won. Sure, there were some right-wing extremists not too happy about his winning, but they moved on and didn't have such a hard time with it.
Uh... I think that was because they decided to impeach him instead That's pretty sad, and disgusting. We didn't see such vitriol when Clinton won. Sure, there were some right-wing extremists not too happy about his winning, but they moved on and didn't have such a hard time with it.
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