I just saw the interview with Diane Sawyer and it was the most useless time I have spent watching TV in 10 years.

What a complete and utter tool she is...

"I can't speak for that..."

"George Bush is a good man..."

Nice to know someone can say that about someone who basically said that you are a second class or lower citizen....

I rate her no more than a wingnut

I didn't see the interview, but given the fact that Diane Sawyer conducted it, I can't imagine the questions were too tough or probing.

Towleroad has a snippet about a Cheney interview in VF. When asked if he thinks people are born gay, Cheney's response is a snide, "Nice try..." What an @ss. Lynn Cheney's response, when Mary came out, was to cry because she was afraid her daughter would face a life of pain and persecution -- now, why would that be?? (said in my best Church Lady voice) They really are such a despicable pair, to put their own political skins ahead of the interests of their own child.

[ May 05, 2006, 05:52 AM: Message edited by: aquaman ]

I recall back to the now infamous Presidential "debates" when Kerry took it upon himself to bring up the fact about Mary Cheney. Remember the ruckous this caused???? Its pretty clear to me the Cheney's do not like to talk/bring up this subject, which tells me, they are rather uncomfortable talking about her sexuality/homosexuality in general. And Mary has chosen to comply with her parents wishes for what ever reason it seems to me. Too bad.

I think the term they use is 'log cabin citizen'.

What is more comical is Cheney had a lot of usage at Coors in prositituting his "gay" daughter to spruce up Coors image with gays and lesbians.

Now, they have no use for her "gayness" and its off topics even at presidentail debates on the RNC's intolerance.

Very sad that Mary has allowed her family, past employers, and party, and even herself be used then discarded when it stipulated on timing and circumstances that are mostly self serving.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Oct18.html

[ May 06, 2006, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: GymMountainEER ]

As much as she tried to portray her family as loving and supportive, they simply sound controlling and hypocritical. And the flap from the debates was so pathetic, since Kerry was only responding to a question regarding sexual orientation being a choice or biology - it made perfect sense to refer to 'Mary the silent ' since she was sitting directly in front of him. The fact that she mouthed "F*ck Y*u" to him during the debate only underscores who the Cheney's really are...arrogant Right Wingers.

If Cheney thinks she'll help her party and her father by doing this interview, she's mistaken. Sure, she seemed more human, more accessible but she's no friend of the gay civil rights movement, not by a long shot.

As much as she tried to portray her family as loving and supportive, they simply sound controlling and hypocritical. And the flap from the debates was so pathetic, since Kerry was only responding to a question regarding sexual orientation being a choice or biology - it made perfect sense to refer to 'Mary the silent ' since she was sitting directly in front of him. The fact that she mouthed "F*ck Y*u" to him during the debate only underscores who the Cheney's really are...arrogant Right Wingers.

If Cheney thinks she'll help her party and her father by doing this interview, she's mistaken. Sure, she seemed more human, more accessible but she's no friend of the gay civil rights movement, not by a long shot.

Gee, what does she have to do to get some sympathy from you critics, go out and smash her car into a barrier at 3 a.m?

Not that she necessarily deserves it, but if the story about her mouthing "F--- You" to Kerry during the debate is true, then she certainly gets not only sympathy but a little admiration from me for putting that loser/poseur in his place.

To the best of my knowledge, Mary's not an LCR member. Not that we wouldn't welcome her; having endured evil slurs from those who like to think themselves "tolerant, inclusive and compassionate," we tend to be a little more forgiving of those who deal with their own sexuality on their own terms, not as they are told to do by the Genderpolizei of the glbtq left. So you go, grrrl, and I wish you well on your life's journey, even if you're fated to tread it a little more alone.

Mary Cheney is a republican for one reason and one reason only - Financial gain.

Make no mistake about it, her family are republicans not because of thir "conservative" ideology, but based on being from the wealthy 5 percent.

Did anyone see Cheney's close to 2 million dollar tax refund? Before GWB office, that would have been closer to 1.2 million dollars.

Also, Cheney's past employment ties to Weapons Manfacturing, Haliburton, and other companies who have or had affilations/contracts with the military or US Government makes it simple to understand the family and why its so easy to discard Mary and more so Mary even discarding her own pride and integrity so the family keeps in good standing with the party and contacts the assist with thier wealth.

Some would call it selling their soul. I would agree.

I think the part that irritates me the most is when she was thrown a real softball....

"Do you think if George Bush had a gay daughter that his views would be different?"

She refused to answer- I mean, c'mon, that is pretty weak.

I never understood why Kerry saying that Chaneys daughter is a lesbian was a big deal. It was already a relatively publicly known fact.... he answered a question and was responding to Bushes statement that he.... just doesn't know if it is biological... he said- well I think if you asked them if they thought Mary was just being who she was.... all of a sudden he is the evil f**king Satan figure for mentioning something...

Puhhhhhhhhh-f**king-leeez... they leached onto that baby and rode it to winning the election

Hopefully it will come back to haunt them in some way.Let's hope Dick never takes Mary on a hunting trip.

[ May 07, 2006, 07:05 AM: Message edited by: eddiecat ]

The answer to the question "What tool would you label Mary Chaney from your toolbox?" is "none of them," because all my tools are useful.

This thread can now be closed, we have a winner! wink

Not so fast, my friend! For those who haven't seen the interview, here's an excerpt from it so they can make up their own minds. Link to story & video.

I can understand why you wanted Mary Cheney to be a gay spokesperson, but if you (as a gay liberal) fight for people's right to be themselves then she has a right to CHOOSE to speak out or not. I don't think most Outsporters want people who don't even know them to decide what THEY should & should speak out about. DO YOU? And as what kind of tool-she is?? A very Classless question- I don't even know the woman.

The only reason Mary Cheney is doing P.R. is because she has a book to sell. Diane Sawyer asked her on Good Morning America if she agreed with her father regarding Iraq (If you could do anything differently, would you?)and she said "yes, we wouldn't have done anything differently." She may be telling her own story regarding being a lesbian but she's basically towing the party line. Not a big surprise. During both her recent interviews with Diane Sawyer, she came off as polished with the press but not so nice...

[ May 08, 2006, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: Bryan ]

"Well, from my perspective? Heather and I already are married," she said. "We have built a home and a life together. Um, I hope I get to spend the rest of my life with her. The way I look at it, is we're just waiting for state and federal law to catch up with us."

How's that working out with Daddy Dead Eye and that "very good man?"

I'm just wondering about her partner

Mary Cheney has little choice but to be a tool but her partner doesn't.

but then again, maybe she's the self-loathing type or they type who latched on to a mealticket

I just think Mary is a sad and pathetic figure. It's obvious that she doesn't have enough pull with her own parents to have them stand up against inequality. And despite being an adult, Mary isn't independent enough from her parents to speak out against legislation aimed at making her, her girlfriend and the millions of other gay men and women in the US lesser citizens.

I don't feel any sympathy for Mary, but I do feel sad for her. She's pathetic because her place in life is all her own making.

[ May 08, 2006, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: aquaman ]

Mary Cheney - almost as brave as Ken "Mary" Melhman.

What a bunch of cowards. What do you expect though...her daddy has no problem sending other peoples kids off to war but when it was his turn he got 5 deferments and had "other priorities."

USA Today article: Mary Cheny has her turn to speak -- and write

"She almost quit her job with the 2004 campaign when President Bush endorsed the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would ban same-sex marriage."

Wow! She almost quit!
Way to take a stand!!

She knew how crucial it was to win this election. Sure, so she can be outlawed.

I don't believe Kerry used her orientation as a tactic, not at all. His answer to the question posed during the debates made perfect sense. But, even if he was using it as a tactic, it's hysterical that she or anyone from this Rove-led administration could call it sleazy...simply because they're the most corrupt and blatantly sleazy administration in the history of this country. Mary's writing is a tutorial in perfectly acceptable answers and fakeness. Remember, just because she's gay doesn't mean she's allied with the gay civil rights movement...She's a daddy's girl and he just happens to allied with a fundamentalist agenda.

Even putting aside the FMA, did she ever raise any objections about using all these statewide voter initiatives to ban gay marriage as tools to help draw out the religious right voters?

I'm sorry, but I have very little respect for the woman. Kerry-Edwards sleazy? Has she met Karl Rove?

The fact that she simply stated that she is waiting for federal and state law to "catch up" is pretty lame.

I don't know if she realized that in most of these states, most of the state level laws not only ban marriage, but "any other union as such."

So it can be legally interpreted to prevent civil unions as well.

Mary Cheney is going to be on "Larry King Live" tonight.

Wow I just read the Americablog post on her comments about Kerry/Edwards.

I suspected it before but now I have proof the woman is a major C-U-N-T!!!

[ May 10, 2006, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: gobar ]

Here's another, more forgiving perspective on Mary, from the managing editor of the Washington Blade. Now that her chutzpah has been confirmed, I admire her even more. Link to op-ed.

I read the Blade article and a lot of it seems irrelevant. The writer talks about still staying friends with conservative family members. No one, so far as I know, is saying Mary Cheney should not speak to her father. She is criticized for working on a campaign which included a plank for a Constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage and which used antigay ballot initiatives as get-out-the-vote tactics.

As far as the writer claiming few of us are out to everyone, that is probably true, but what is the point? Mary Cheney is publicly out. And she supported and worked for a campaign that was endorsed by a whole string of gay-haters BECAUSE it was anti-gay. That is a lot different from one's coworkers not knowing one is gay/lesbian/bi/trans.

As for her F-U reply to John Edwards, my recollection is that Edwards was talking about love in families not contingent on sexual orientation and saying that he is sure Cheney loves both his daughters. And that Cheney thanked him for the kind words about his family. Probably the only time anyone ever say Cheney look human.

I fail to see her chutzpah illustrated. What I see is a crass opportunist. It is in her personal financial interest to have Halliburton et al get richer and to hell with the rest of the GLBT population. Sadly, like Michele Malkin bashing immigrants but considering herself an exception, those that truly hate us will not give her a pass. She may consider herself married but the Constitutional amendment her father campaigned for will not make an exception for her.

I have no feelings either way about Mary Cheney--I don't think she's done anything worthy of my admiration or criticism. Silently mouthing "go f*ck yourself" perfectly captures the general theme of her participation in political life: having proximity to power yet being ineffectual in the face of perceived political enemies, whether on the left or the right. But she's a private citizen, so I don't think any more should be expected from her. And to the extent that she believes in core Republican principles (not this silly discrmination that taints it) her unwillingness to speak out against her father could at least be partly excused as a rational cost-benefit analysis within the context of a problematic choice-limiting two-party system.

With all that said, I do wish some of her book advance money got thrown the way of Maya Keyes. She seems like a much better example of the kind of courage it takes to be the politically active lesbian daughter of a socially conservative politician.

Courtesy of the Washington Post.

Courtesy of Wikipedia.

I'll be watching "Lost" (which has nothing to do with Cheney family values).

What a despicable, disgraceful bitch.

Her book has shot to the top of Uncle Tom's Log Cabin bestsellers....

All 15 members have bought a copy!

She's a bitter self serving oppressed opportuninist.

Where the hell was Mary during the the campaign? Why wasn't she interviewing with Larry King at that time? I think we all know why. Now, she believes she can capatalize with gay repubicans who she hopes will buy her book and be interested in her story.

Its rather comical her being gay was an asset to the family during the Cheney Coors days. Daddy Cheney had no reservations pimping his daughter to attract gays and lesbians and to improve Coors imgage among the $$$$ muscle of gays and lesbians.

However, that changed on the political trail as even Mary hurled vulgar language at the DNC candidates for bringing up GOP discrimination against gays and lesbians.


Now, after the dust has settled the bitch wants to make money off her story of her being gay when she's had so many opportunites to do the right thing, but all she cares about is the best way to make $$$$$$$$.


She's an opportunist who has sold her soul for $$$$$$$.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

After watching her last night a few thoughts; she is:

1. Spineless
2. Not very bright
3. Very much in need of serious therapy

"Let me say first that I think the vice president and his wife love their daughter. I think they love her very much. And you can't have anything but respect for the fact that they're willing to talk about the fact that they have a gay daughter, the fact that they embrace her. It's a wonderful thing. And there are millions of parents like that who love their children, who want their children to be happy." John Edwards

For that he was called "slime."


Mary Cheney "is a selfish hedonist." Fellow rethuglican Alan Keyes

Her response: (laughs)He's entitled to his opinion!

She's one sad, pathetic woman.

You should read the comments from her fellow GOPers on Amazon.com. Some are pretty hateful and hilarious. I wonder if Karl Rove is going to skim her book before he coordinates yet another push for the anti-gay marriage amendment with the Senate and House Republicans?

Maybe the Uncle Tom Log Cabineers can rename their club after angry, deluded Mary, whose self-loathing, ineffectualness in dealing with the Republican Party's continued anti-gay rhetoric and ideology, and misplaced rage are the perfect emblem of all they represent. (Working from within....)

"Hateful and hilarious," FT? That's you in spades!

The comments by less-tolerant "fellow GOPers" - I didn't know Amazon required customers to list their political party - are trumped, and in some cases doubled, by the more vicious ones appearing in this thread. Those posters could profit by reading Liz Birch's piece that appeared in the Washington Post yesterday. I'd link it, but subscription is required, and I'm not one to hog space here by reprinting it verbatim. Surely you have access to that organ, FT.

I did watch a piece of the interview. I should start by saying that, while I did not find either Kerry's or Edwards' statements during the debates offensive or out of line, I DID find their pandering to be both. Well, we support gay rights but we don't really support equal rights, just some rights but yes you should be equal but not really. Trying to play both sides. One of several reasons I could not bring myself to support them was that, faced with attacks by the rightist hate machine as "progay" they did not say flat out that yes, all of us deserve equality. But they could not say they oppose equality, so they waffled.
That being said, when Mary Cheney says that Edwards and Kerry missed a chance to raise the issues during the 2004 campaign, my response is WTF? The person who REALLY missed a chance was HER OWN FATHER. When he gave his acceptance speech at the Republican convention, with his family around him, including Mary and Heather, did he take the opportunity to say it was a mistake to have a plank calling for a Constitutional amendment against same sex marriage equality? Did he say that at any time during the campaign? Did he ever say that putting these initiatives on the ballot was wrong? That they harmed his family? NO! He was silent, even though, if Mary is telling the truth, he personally opposed the hate campaign, because getting out the rightist vote would help keep him in office. He sold his own daughter.

Caught Mary on the Diane Rehm show this morning. It was basically the same song and dance she's given on other programs. She kept reiterating the idea that her father opposes the Federal Marriage Amendment, but I don't think I heard her say that her father actually supports equal marriage rights for gays. I know Dick thinks this should be a state issue and that people should be free to enter into whatever relationship they want to, but has he ever said in public whether he supports gay marriage? Has he ever said, for instance, that he thinks his home state of Wyoming should pass a law allowing his daughter to marry her partner?

I was also a little surprised that Mary said that she has never felt any prejudice for being gay. None? None at all? Not even a funny look or snide comment from members of the (Insert random red state here.) delegation at the RNC convention as her and her partner walk down the hall? Must be nice to live in such a bubble.

When people say they didn't support Kerry Edwards because they waffled a little, I say no wonder we've had these tragic years with the Bush/Cheney war machine. The Right wingers depend upon misinformed, single issue voters like that. And we've all paid for it.

So, when Alan Keyes specifically called her a "selfish hedonist" it wasn't prejudice? Please!

I'm sure she was protected and shielded thanks to having a very privileged background.I have no doubt her feelings would get hurt quite often in the "outside" world.

when your daddy is one of the most powerful men on the planet, you don't have to worry about too much

now the rest of us have faced plenty of prejudice, at least I have

Mary Cheney is giving Bush the chance to catch up to her on the gay marriage issue?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13121953/site/newsweek/

I almost answered this in the other Mary Cheney thread, but back on topic here. Mary Cheney is a screwdriver. She is getting screwed (along with the rest of us) by the driver of the Republican bus, George Bush. That's what makes her a screwdriver. No matter how you split it, she really is a tool.