Interesting

Yes, MIB, that was very interesting, but not terribly surprising. The Dems would do well to cut this one loose.

Well, both parties have their share of nutjobs, if you ask me.

I am disappointed. Dean's rhetoric is "preaching to the choir", I thought he is suppose to be working at bringing the middle into the fold. Dean as governor was moderate (even conservative for a dem), his true political views could attract other moderates to the Dem side. But Dean apparently has foot-in-mouth disease. He needs to back off the rhetoric and work at building up the dems.

Or...you can read John Edwards comments on this issue:
One America site

BobbieDearest, maybe that's why John Edwards has folded away into obscurity... he's just misquoted and misunderstood?

Nice try at making the Dean-made breech appear to be less than it is... I like to think the Left is doing what it intends when allowed to work to its own devices: degrade others, spin endlesly, and Blame America First while embracing anything of the non-US world order.

We've got Dan Quayle --you guys have John Edwards, JFKerry, HowieDean, and Babs Boxin'. At least Dan Quayle came to understand his window of opportunity was closed... John Edwards, JFKerry haven't gotten the message yet.

Oh please. You seriously view the world in rose colored glasses.

Hey Puck, are those the same rose colored glasses I should have worn when touring the WH, touring the Supreme Ct, touring the House, touring the Senate, touring HUD & the Pentagon, touring the Fed Reserve, and touring the World Bank hdqrts lately? It was fun to stand on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial (Abe was the founder of the modern Republican Party, by the way) and survey all the units of federal govt the GOP now enjoys exclusive control over... nice week long trip to Washington.

Yeah, rose colored glasses tinted to the color of majority... majority for another generation.

Actually, I think Howard Dean hasn't been as critical as he should be towards the Republican agenda. I actually agree with 98% of what Howard says, can he say it better sometimes, absolutely, can't we all?

Don't feed the troll from the American Taliban.

And let us not forget that just a few weeks ago, John Danforth, former GOP Congressman, published an op-ed in which he lamented his party's transition into the political wing of the Christian conservative movement - pretty much what Dean said about the GOP.

Call my cynical, but I think this is all quite calculated. Dean's screeds appeal to the (small) wing of the Democratic Party that truly believes the Repubs are the devil incarnate while the other party elders pooh-poohing him aim at the others. Sadly, this winds up with my Dems trying to be all things to all people and ultimately standing for absolutely nothing.

Of course, the Republicans have similar problems: is it the party of Rick Santorum--who compared homsexuality with beastiality--and James Dobson or is it the party of John McCain and Olympia Snowe?

~Adam

[ June 09, 2005, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: Adam ]

That's one's easy it is the party of Santorum and Dobson. If it was the party of McCain and Snowe I would be voting for it more often.

Keep the faith, JHawker; it will be soon enough and Santorum's upcoming defeat in his Senate reelection will be among the first signs that the RR is losing its inflated clout in the GOP.

Hurry the day!

I'm not holding my breath waiting for it, Mikey... we'll probably see the return of Jean "I can talk out of one side of my mouth en francais and the other side en anglais" Chretien before that happens.

[ June 09, 2005, 04:53 PM: Message edited by: MarcusF ]

In all that touring you might have opened a history book--hell, you were in Washington, DC of all places! Lincoln was NOT the founder, nor even the first presidential candidate (that was General John C. Frémont in 1856, who initially attempted to free the slaves in Missouri), of the ORIGINAL Republican Party--it did not exist before 1854. Both Ripon, Wisconsin (March 20, 1854) and Jackson, Michigan (July 6, 1854) have been given as its founding sites. (William Gienapp, the late Harvard historian, wrote an excellent book on the party's beginnings and early history.)

As far as the "modern" Republican Party, given how much it's changed since Lincoln and Grant's day, perhaps the "founder" you mean would be Barry Goldwater. Or Strom Thurmond. Or Ronald Raygun. Or maybe you could go back to William McKinley (for laissez faire economics) or Warren Harding (for incompetence and corruption)...well, you get get the picture. Now you can put those rose-colored glasses back on and return to your empty triumphalism.

Fantomas, is it too soon for me to say I love you?