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fantomas
Here's a great article (not from Ihateamerica.com, unfortunately for Phollyfed), on German fascist (and Nazi) philosopher Carl Schmitt and the relevance of his ideas in contemporary American conservative and liberal politics. Some of it echoes with things many people on here have said, though I know personally I can't remember much of the Schmitt I read in college, so this was enlightening. But it doesn't just skewer conservatives--Wolfe lets the Left have it too. Enjoy!

Chronicle of Higher Education Review: A fascist philosopher helps us understand contemporary politics (Alan Wolfe)

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Schmitt argued that liberals, properly speaking, can never be political. Liberals tend to be optimistic about human nature, whereas \"all genuine political theories presuppose man to be evil.\" Liberals believe in the possibility of neutral rules that can mediate between conflicting positions, but to Schmitt there is no such neutrality, since any rule -- even an ostensibly fair one -- merely represents the victory of one political faction over another. (If that formulation sounds like Stanley Fish when he persistently argues that there is no such thing as principle, that only testifies to the ways in which Schmitt's ideas pervade the contemporary intellectual zeitgeist.) Liberals insist that there exists something called society independent of the state, but Schmitt believed that pluralism is an illusion because no real state would ever allow other forces, like the family or the church, to contest its power. Liberals, in a word, are uncomfortable around power, and, because they are, they criticize politics more than they engage in it.

No wonder that Schmitt admired thinkers such as Machiavelli and Hobbes, who treated politics without illusions. Leaders inspired by them, in no way in thrall to the individualism of liberal thought, are willing to recognize that sometimes politics involves the sacrifice of life. They are better at fighting wars than liberals because they dispense with such notions as the common good or the interests of all humanity. (\"Humanity,\" Schmitt wrote in a typically terse formulation that is brilliant if you admire it and chilling if you do not, \"cannot wage war because it has no enemy.\") Conservatives are not bothered by injustice because they recognize that politics means maximizing your side's advantages, not giving them away. If unity can be achieved only by repressing dissent, even at risk of violating the rule of law, that is how conservatives will achieve it.

In short, the most important lesson Schmitt teaches is that the differences between liberals and conservatives are not just over the policies they advocate but also over the meaning of politics itself. Schmitt's German version of conservatism, which shared so much with Nazism, has no direct links with American thought. Yet residues of his ideas can nonetheless be detected in the ways in which conservatives today fight for their objectives.

Liberals think of politics as a means; conservatives as an end. Politics, for liberals, stops at the water's edge; for conservatives, politics never stops. Liberals think of conservatives as potential future allies; conservatives treat liberals as unworthy of recognition. Liberals believe that policies ought to be judged against an independent ideal such as human welfare or the greatest good for the greatest number; conservatives evaluate policies by whether they advance their conservative causes. Liberals instinctively want to dampen passions; conservatives are bent on inflaming them. Liberals think there is a third way between liberalism and conservatism; conservatives believe that anyone who is not a conservative is a liberal. Liberals want to put boundaries on the political by claiming that individuals have certain rights that no government can take away; conservatives argue that in cases of emergency -- conservatives always find cases of emergency -- the reach and capacity of the state cannot be challenged.


[ March 31, 2004, 12:57 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
danimal
Interesting quote about Schmitt the dead Nazi:
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Searching for examples of liberalism to dismiss, he happened upon Thomas Paine and the American founders. Here, in his view, were liberals typically afraid of power; indeed, he wrote with some astonishment, they naïvely tried to check and balance it through the separation of powers. In that, Schmitt was correct. John Locke, not Thomas Hobbes, was the reigning social-contract theorist of the American experience.
Good point. If the actions (as opposed to the speeches) of recent American presidents are any indication, the professed opposition of conservatives to "big government" is merely a way to sell upper-income tax cuts to middle-income voters. The biggest increases in government spending (not just for defense but across the board) and in intrusive government regulation of personal behavior have been from conservative administrations that have claimed to oppose "big government" and "tax and spend" policies. Schmitt would have no problem with this because the end justifies the means (a Stalin phrase, I know, but Stalin was just as totalitarian as Hitler ... and just as unprincipled).
TomFord
Here's the gist of it:

1. Schmitt's this once-obscure and very conservative German political philosopher who was a Nazi and an anti-Semite.

2. His work is on the up and up.

3. Schmitt-admirers on the left are certain Marxists who, having had the rug pulled out from under them with the fall of the Soviet empire, are now kissing Schmitt's ass (his work I mean, the dude's dead) because he's all authoritarian and shit (like their former flames Lenin and Gramsci).

4. Schmitt-admirers on the right are paleoconservatives (who are anti-neoconservatism).

5. But that's really not the point of the article. The main thing is...drumroll...even though they don't know it, conservatives in general, and Republicans in particular, are hard-core Schmittians.

6. You see, according to Schmitt, every realm of human endeavor is structured by an irreducible duality.

7. In politics, the core distinction is between friend and enemy.

8. But this distinction is different from the other dualities. In politics, friend and enemy "always" means life-or-death stakes.

9. Liberals don't see everything as life or death. They're more, um, complex.

10. And now that he's set up conservatives for simple-minded goons whereas liberals are complex-thinkers, he lays it all out:

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\"Liberals think of politics as a means; conservatives as an end. Politics, for liberals, stops at the water's edge; for conservatives, politics never stops. Liberals think of conservatives as potential future allies; conservatives treat liberals as unworthy of recognition. Liberals believe that policies ought to be judged against an independent ideal such as human welfare or the greatest good for the greatest number; conservatives evaluate policies by whether they advance their conservative causes. Liberals instinctively want to dampen passions; conservatives are bent on inflaming them. Liberals think there is a third way between liberalism and conservatism; conservatives believe that anyone who is not a conservative is a liberal. Liberals want to put boundaries on the political by claiming that individuals have certain rights that no government can take away; conservatives argue that in cases of emergency -- conservatives always find cases of emergency -- the reach and capacity of the state cannot be challenged.\"
11. In short, conservatives are basically Schmittians, which is a bad thing because those things listed above are bad and also because Schmitt's a bad guy.

12. And by conservatives, he means Republicans, because you can't get more Schmittian than Republicans like Ann Coulter and Karl Rove, he writes.

13. That is, Republicans love their party the way a four year old loves his mother, She can do no wrong. Must win at all costs.

14. Liberals on the other hand are good guys, who value procedural integrity, historical precedent, and consequences for future generations more than victory.

Where it falls apart is this idea that there are no counterparts to the Schmittian political personality on the liberal side. He posits this ideal liberal (who doesn't hate anyone) against this evil conservative (who would sooner kill anyone who wasn't on his side) to make this whole thing work. Except not all liberals are such nice guys, and not all conservatives are so simple-minded and ruthless. Lots of conservatives hate Ann Coulter. Lots of conservatives hate Karl Rove (think of his immigration not-amnesty amnesty). Conservatives like Pat Buchanan would just as soon the party lose if it means forcing it back to what he sees as a true conservative party.

In fact, it's a rather Schmittian exercise on the writer's part come to think of it. All hard core dualities. Cause you just know that, bubbling down under that academic surface is a dude who basically wants every Republican's head on a stick.

[ March 31, 2004, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: TomFord ]
fantomas
TomFord, what a Wittgensteinian response from you (I love Ludwig W.)!

But actually, I think you're misreading Wolfe a bit, and not taking into account modern liberalism (as opposed to the classical liberalism of Burke, which is closer to the small government, skeptical mode of traditional conservatism).

Modern liberalism, both as a theoretical ideology, and in practice, does fit what Wolfe is saying, and has constantly shown itself in its government forms (in Republican Spain, in Weimar Germany, in the French Third Republic before Vichy and the Fourth Republic under DeGaulle to give the worst examples; in the USA, in Britain to give the best examples; in Japan, Mexico, Israel, to give problematic examples) to be essentially a weak form of government (but still the best, as Churchill once noted) that is prone to manipulations from both the right and left, or from non-democratic and anti-republican elements, who are opposed to its open, multicameral, divided (and balanced), pragmatic, pluralistic, coalition-and-multipartisan, rights-guaranteeing, organically defined and derived legal (as opposed to natural or divine right-derived), aspects. It also is true that both parties have at various times attempted to manipulate the structures and systems of the government for their own gain, but usually have failed (FDR's attempts to expand the pack the Supreme Court; Nixon's attempts to use government agencies to harass opponents; come to mind).

Wolfe is wrong to label the entire Republican Party, for example, as conservative in the Schmittian sense, or even to conflate all the types of conservatism as it has existed in the US (I am thinking here of the conservatism of Russell Kirk, which would fit certain of Schmitt's criteria, such as the belief in inequality and gradual change, while not fitting others). BUT, his matching of certain key aspects of Schmittian conservatism--fascism--to the W regime was pointed out by others on this board some time ago, and in this regard we really should be worried.

It is also not a secret that the United States is essential a liberal democratic republic--it has been since its founding, it is the oldest continuous one in the world, and the liberalism--in the large sense, not merely the debased sense that is in current discourse these days--is one key reason that the nation has been able to maintain our constitution and adapt, as opposed to having to change the damned thing repeatedly, and suffer through constant civil wars (like other less liberal democracies). I would also note that the influence of the United States' form of government has been so great that its constitutional structure and many aspects of the political system (which we overlook or discount nowadays) have proved invaluable for numerous fledgling democracies and republics since 1776. Even the Confederacy adopted most of the elements of the very government from which it was breaking.

The threats posed by W Ltd. and people like Tom DeLay--who John Dean recently labeled more dangerous and frightening than Nixon!--are substantive, and should not be dismissed.

[ March 31, 2004, 11:10 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
Roy Robertson
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fantomas
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Roy Robertson:
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Hi Roy, I'm already married. Oops, no, I can't marry my man in either state I live in. But I'm already signed up to be civilly united. But I do love your tastes in music! (BTW, how was St. Louis?)

[ March 31, 2004, 11:10 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
danimal
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fantomas:
the nation has been able to maintain our constitution and adapt, as opposed to having to change the damned thing repeatedly, and suffer through constant civil wars (like other less liberal democracies).
In contrast to, for example, France, which (invasions aside) has changed its entire form of government how many times since a revolution that occurred about the same time as ours? Enough to fare poorly by comparison.

The Religious Right likes to say this is because our revolution was "God-centered" and France's was "godless" but that's a crock. Our founders were just as rationalistic and secular as the French philosophers they read ... but our founders had a basic belief in the rule of law and the possibility of fairness through checks and balances ... whereas France's revolution was led, in the end if not at the start, by what Wolfe would call "Schmittians of the left" who, like Lenin, had no qualms "breaking a few eggs" to get their kind of omelette. That basic "might makes right" (or "victory makes right irrelevant") mentality, and not lack of piety, accounts for the Reign of Terror and the lurches that followed for two centuries after it.

The question is not whether "all conservatives" or "all liberals" believe X or Y (such generalizations are absurd, especially in a nation whose system has always required some degree of compromise even within parties), but whether the faction or factions that are driving the "culture wars" of the past few decades are willing to do to the country as a whole in order to come out on top. eek!
DallasUNC
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Liberals, in a word, are uncomfortable around power, and, because they are, they criticize politics more than they engage in it.
Got that part right. Otherwise left wing candidates would be winning 80% of the vote every time around. Most liberals sit at home and dont vote because theyre apathetic. Thats why I dont even truly consider myself liberal, other than on the social side. But when there is a candidate in office you dont like, its time to get off your butt and vote them out! Or shoot them as Schmitt would probably propose, lol.
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