Full Version: GOP moves to protect Delay if indicted
I'll settle for "Justice Time." I'm glad to see this finally happened; now give him his day in court - and all you Texans give him the boot from Congress!
Delay just got done yakking on CNN about how this is a "political witchunt, and the Dems. aren;t going to stop me," blah, blah, blah...The arrogance of this man and those around him are just appling. Boy the Repugs. sure don't like it when they are involved in probes or indictments do they? Never mind they dragged the country through countless probe after probe after investigation when Clinton was President.
Oh, the hypocrisy!!!
Oh, the hypocrisy!!!
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MIB:
Interesting that this whole hullabaloo has quieted down so much, save for the aforementioned indictment. And why have so many Democrats gone silent on Delay? Well, whaddya know. Turns out that so many of them have done the same thing of which they have accused Delay of doing. Caught with their hypocritical hands in the cookie jar, they've all shut up now as they close ranks around each other.
You were saying? LOL Interesting that this whole hullabaloo has quieted down so much, save for the aforementioned indictment. And why have so many Democrats gone silent on Delay? Well, whaddya know. Turns out that so many of them have done the same thing of which they have accused Delay of doing. Caught with their hypocritical hands in the cookie jar, they've all shut up now as they close ranks around each other.
As a pre-emptive strike against the inevitable GOP claims that the prosecutor is a Democratic hatchet man:
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But a June 17 editorial in the Houston Chronicle noted: \"During his long tenure, Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle has prosecuted many more Democratic officials than Republicans. The record does not support allegations that Earle is prone to partisan witch hunts.\"
This assertion supports Earle's own claim about his record. From a March 6 article in the El Paso Times: \"Earle says local prosecution is fundamental and points out that 11 of the 15 politicians he has prosecuted over the years were Democrats.\"
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This assertion supports Earle's own claim about his record. From a March 6 article in the El Paso Times: \"Earle says local prosecution is fundamental and points out that 11 of the 15 politicians he has prosecuted over the years were Democrats.\"
Suddenly 2006 is looking like its going to be really, really interesting...if I were a Repug. I would be sweating...hard. I can't wait to hear O'Reilly tonight dismiss all this what he will probably call hullaballo..Its time for some Dems. to get some spine and mouths now, and start using them. Whether someone will or not remains to be seen.
[ September 28, 2005, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: puckman1 ]
[ September 28, 2005, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: puckman1 ]
I am absolutely not a defender of DeLay--at all. I'd much rather he step down for other unrelated reasons. Having said that, has anyone here even bothered to read this indictment? It's perhaps the flimsiest I have ever seen.
I find it quite interesting to find out that Mr. Earle was talking about this quite excitedly at Democratic fundraisers (a no-no for a prosecutor, I might add), then today, with only minutes left before this grand jury expired (it was its last day)--when he'd be S.O.L.--he comes up with this very weak indictment, on but one--count it--one charge. If one wishes to indict a politician, one always gets numerous charges included, because it is extremely rare to be successful on multiple charges. Here there is only one.
Several legal experts on various news channels described it as "no meat on the bones," "very flimsy," "not too unlike Hutchison's, which was dismissed by a judge right after it was filed."
[ September 28, 2005, 04:20 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
I find it quite interesting to find out that Mr. Earle was talking about this quite excitedly at Democratic fundraisers (a no-no for a prosecutor, I might add), then today, with only minutes left before this grand jury expired (it was its last day)--when he'd be S.O.L.--he comes up with this very weak indictment, on but one--count it--one charge. If one wishes to indict a politician, one always gets numerous charges included, because it is extremely rare to be successful on multiple charges. Here there is only one.
Several legal experts on various news channels described it as "no meat on the bones," "very flimsy," "not too unlike Hutchison's, which was dismissed by a judge right after it was filed."
[ September 28, 2005, 04:20 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
Conservatives kill plan to install Dreier as replacement.
I guess it's back of the GOP bus for the homo.
Inclusion wins!
I guess it's back of the GOP bus for the homo.
Inclusion wins!
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KeyWest Guy:
Conservatives kill plan to install Dreier as replacement.
I guess it's back of the GOP bus for the homo.
Inclusion wins!
No surprise there -- remember what the leadership did to Steve Gunderson a few years back? Nothing has changed. (I'm amazed they've allowed Jim Kolbe to remain a Cardinal).
Conservatives kill plan to install Dreier as replacement.
I guess it's back of the GOP bus for the homo.
Inclusion wins!
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MIB:
...then today, with only minutes left before this grand jury expired (it was its last day)--when he'd be S.O.L.--he comes up with this very weak indictment.....
From MSNBC:...then today, with only minutes left before this grand jury expired (it was its last day)--when he'd be S.O.L.--he comes up with this very weak indictment.....
Grand juror: ‘Ronnie Earle didn’t indict him’
The grand jury’s foreman, William Gibson, told The Associated Press that Earle didn’t pressure members one way or the other. “Ronnie Earle didn’t indict him. The grand jury indicted him,” Gibson told The Associated Press in an interview at his home.
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You were saying?
THANK YOU RAZE! I was about to point out what all the Republicans have failed to mention....not Earle, but a grand jury made up of 12(?) Texas voters found credible evidence to charge Delay. Is the GOP going to claim that the jury members are on a partisan witch hunt too?
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HotlantaTarheel:
Is the GOP going to claim that the jury members are on a partisan witch hunt too?
Isn't everybody?
Is the GOP going to claim that the jury members are on a partisan witch hunt too?
Next up on the GOP agenda will be a smear campaign very similar in size and scope no doubt, to what happened with the Swift Boat Veterans. Remember them? Its already being talked about from many news reporters whom I have heard comments from. This seems to be predictable, when things don't go their way, smear!!!
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ltskinmdterp:
Indeed I did. My original post is still valid, because it referred to the paid trips. The Dems are still silent about the trips being paid for by lobbyists, and why? Because they all take them.
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MIB:
Interesting that this whole hullabaloo has quieted down so much, save for the aforementioned indictment. And why have so many Democrats gone silent on Delay? Well, whaddya know. Turns out that so many of them have done the same thing of which they have accused Delay of doing. Caught with their hypocritical hands in the cookie jar, they've all shut up now as they close ranks around each other.
You were saying? LOL Interesting that this whole hullabaloo has quieted down so much, save for the aforementioned indictment. And why have so many Democrats gone silent on Delay? Well, whaddya know. Turns out that so many of them have done the same thing of which they have accused Delay of doing. Caught with their hypocritical hands in the cookie jar, they've all shut up now as they close ranks around each other.
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RazorbackTX:
Grand juror: ‘Ronnie Earle didn’t indict him’
The grand jury’s foreman, William Gibson, told The Associated Press that Earle didn’t pressure members one way or the other. “Ronnie Earle didn’t indict him. The grand jury indicted him,” Gibson told The Associated Press in an interview at his home.
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You were saying?
No shit, Raze. You mean grand juries indict and D.A.'s don't??? No kidding!QUOTE
MIB:
...then today, with only minutes left before this grand jury expired (it was its last day)--when he'd be S.O.L.--he comes up with this very weak indictment.....
From MSNBC:...then today, with only minutes left before this grand jury expired (it was its last day)--when he'd be S.O.L.--he comes up with this very weak indictment.....
Grand juror: ‘Ronnie Earle didn’t indict him’
The grand jury’s foreman, William Gibson, told The Associated Press that Earle didn’t pressure members one way or the other. “Ronnie Earle didn’t indict him. The grand jury indicted him,” Gibson told The Associated Press in an interview at his home.
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You were saying?
Look kid, go back to school before you dare to dispute this fact: Earle's grand jury was set to expire yesterday. It had been sitting for some time. Realizing time was running out on securing an indictment--which he promised to a bunch of Democratics at a party fundraiser--Earle got the indictment from the grand jury right before it was to expire, which would have shut down Earle's entire attempt to nail DeLay.
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HotlantaTarheel:
THANK YOU RAZE! I was about to point out what all the Republicans have failed to mention....not Earle, but a grand jury made up of 12(?) Texas voters found credible evidence to charge Delay. Is the GOP going to claim that the jury members are on a partisan witch hunt too?
Before you thank some kiddie who doesn't know what he's talking about: grand juries aren't 12--that's trial juries. Grand juries can consist of dozens of individuals, and a simple majority vote is usually what it takes to get an indictment.THANK YOU RAZE! I was about to point out what all the Republicans have failed to mention....not Earle, but a grand jury made up of 12(?) Texas voters found credible evidence to charge Delay. Is the GOP going to claim that the jury members are on a partisan witch hunt too?
[ September 29, 2005, 02:30 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
MIB we all know you have no interest in facts or the truth but....
maybe you should read this again.
The grand jury’s foreman, William Gibson, told The Associated Press that Earle didn’t pressure members one way or the other.
maybe you should read this again.
The grand jury’s foreman, William Gibson, told The Associated Press that Earle didn’t pressure members one way or the other.
I don't recall ever saying Earle "pressured" the grand jurors. I just said that Earle got the indictment only minutes before the grand jury, which had sat for months, forever expired. You should try harder not to assume as much as you do around here, for my statement was entirely accurate and correct. However, I wouldn't expect someone of your limited intellect to understand this.
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MIB:
I just said that Earle got the indictment only minutes before the grand jury, which had sat for months, forever expired.
So what?I just said that Earle got the indictment only minutes before the grand jury, which had sat for months, forever expired.
Would you feel better if it had happened the day before, Judge?
This indictment is totally phony. Here's why:
The indictment centers around a money swap that took place between the Texans for a Republican Majority PAC (TRMPAC), to which DeLay has ties, and the Republican National State Elections Committee (RNSEC). TRMPAC sent $190,000 to RNSEC, and RNSEC then sent the same total amount in seven checks ranging from $20,000 to $40,000 to Texas House candidates in 2002. Travis County DA Ronnie Earle, a Democrat, calls this money laundering, because the money that TRMPAC sent to RNSEC came from corporations, which are barred from contributing to campaigns in Texas.
What you won't hear in the press is that A) This is a perfectly legal move, and
the Democrats did the exact same thing. An Institute on Money in State Politics study reveals that on Oct. 31, 2002, the Texas Democratic Party did the same thing when it sent $75,000 to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and received $75,000 back from the DNC the very same day.
Bottom line: Even people who aren't fans of Tom DeLay should show some intellectual honesty and admit that this is an out-of-control prosecutor and a phony charge.
The indictment centers around a money swap that took place between the Texans for a Republican Majority PAC (TRMPAC), to which DeLay has ties, and the Republican National State Elections Committee (RNSEC). TRMPAC sent $190,000 to RNSEC, and RNSEC then sent the same total amount in seven checks ranging from $20,000 to $40,000 to Texas House candidates in 2002. Travis County DA Ronnie Earle, a Democrat, calls this money laundering, because the money that TRMPAC sent to RNSEC came from corporations, which are barred from contributing to campaigns in Texas.
What you won't hear in the press is that A) This is a perfectly legal move, and
the Democrats did the exact same thing. An Institute on Money in State Politics study reveals that on Oct. 31, 2002, the Texas Democratic Party did the same thing when it sent $75,000 to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and received $75,000 back from the DNC the very same day.Bottom line: Even people who aren't fans of Tom DeLay should show some intellectual honesty and admit that this is an out-of-control prosecutor and a phony charge.
Interesting opinion by The Washington Post today:
The Washington Post editorial page has taken a startlingly harsh look at the DeLay indictment and finds it pretty wanting: \"At least on the evidence presented so far, the indictment of Mr. DeLay by a state prosecutor in Texas gives us pause. The charge concerns the activities of Texans for a Republican Majority (TRMPAC), a political action committee created by Mr. DeLay and his aides to orchestrate the GOP's takeover of the Texas legislature in 2002. The issue is whether Mr. DeLay and his political aides illegally used the group to evade the state's ban on corporate contributions to candidates....This was an obvious end run around the corporate contribution rule. The more difficult question is whether it was an illegal end run -- or, to be more precise, one so blatantly illegal that it amounts to a criminal felony rather than a civil violation. For Mr. DeLay to be convicted, prosecutors will have to show not only that he took part in the dodge but also that he knew it amounted to a violation of state law -- rather than the kind of clever money-trade that election lawyers engineer all the time.
\"Mr. DeLay's spokesman said this month that 'to his knowledge all activities were properly reviewed and approved by lawyers' for TRMPAC. If so, the criminal law seems like an awfully blunt instrument to wield against Mr. DeLay. If not, we look forward to seeing the evidence.\"
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The Washington Post editorial page has taken a startlingly harsh look at the DeLay indictment and finds it pretty wanting: \"At least on the evidence presented so far, the indictment of Mr. DeLay by a state prosecutor in Texas gives us pause. The charge concerns the activities of Texans for a Republican Majority (TRMPAC), a political action committee created by Mr. DeLay and his aides to orchestrate the GOP's takeover of the Texas legislature in 2002. The issue is whether Mr. DeLay and his political aides illegally used the group to evade the state's ban on corporate contributions to candidates....This was an obvious end run around the corporate contribution rule. The more difficult question is whether it was an illegal end run -- or, to be more precise, one so blatantly illegal that it amounts to a criminal felony rather than a civil violation. For Mr. DeLay to be convicted, prosecutors will have to show not only that he took part in the dodge but also that he knew it amounted to a violation of state law -- rather than the kind of clever money-trade that election lawyers engineer all the time.
\"Mr. DeLay's spokesman said this month that 'to his knowledge all activities were properly reviewed and approved by lawyers' for TRMPAC. If so, the criminal law seems like an awfully blunt instrument to wield against Mr. DeLay. If not, we look forward to seeing the evidence.\"
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MIB:
Interesting opinion by The Washington Post today:
The Washington Post editorial page has taken a startlingly harsh look at the DeLay indictment and finds it pretty wanting: \"At least on the evidence presented so far, the indictment of Mr. DeLay by a state prosecutor in Texas gives us pause. The charge concerns the activities of Texans for a Republican Majority (TRMPAC), a political action committee created by Mr. DeLay and his aides to orchestrate the GOP's takeover of the Texas legislature in 2002. The issue is whether Mr. DeLay and his political aides illegally used the group to evade the state's ban on corporate contributions to candidates....This was an obvious end run around the corporate contribution rule. The more difficult question is whether it was an illegal end run -- or, to be more precise, one so blatantly illegal that it amounts to a criminal felony rather than a civil violation. For Mr. DeLay to be convicted, prosecutors will have to show not only that he took part in the dodge but also that he knew it amounted to a violation of state law -- rather than the kind of clever money-trade that election lawyers engineer all the time.
\"Mr. DeLay's spokesman said this month that 'to his knowledge all activities were properly reviewed and approved by lawyers' for TRMPAC. If so, the criminal law seems like an awfully blunt instrument to wield against Mr. DeLay. If not, we look forward to seeing the evidence.\"
Gee, and that comes from the so-called "Liberal Media".
Interesting opinion by The Washington Post today:
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The Washington Post editorial page has taken a startlingly harsh look at the DeLay indictment and finds it pretty wanting: \"At least on the evidence presented so far, the indictment of Mr. DeLay by a state prosecutor in Texas gives us pause. The charge concerns the activities of Texans for a Republican Majority (TRMPAC), a political action committee created by Mr. DeLay and his aides to orchestrate the GOP's takeover of the Texas legislature in 2002. The issue is whether Mr. DeLay and his political aides illegally used the group to evade the state's ban on corporate contributions to candidates....This was an obvious end run around the corporate contribution rule. The more difficult question is whether it was an illegal end run -- or, to be more precise, one so blatantly illegal that it amounts to a criminal felony rather than a civil violation. For Mr. DeLay to be convicted, prosecutors will have to show not only that he took part in the dodge but also that he knew it amounted to a violation of state law -- rather than the kind of clever money-trade that election lawyers engineer all the time.
\"Mr. DeLay's spokesman said this month that 'to his knowledge all activities were properly reviewed and approved by lawyers' for TRMPAC. If so, the criminal law seems like an awfully blunt instrument to wield against Mr. DeLay. If not, we look forward to seeing the evidence.\"
Even the liberal media--it isn't so-called, it's the truth--once in a while can see something as obvious as this.
Love it KWG!! 
MIB, do you sleep at night?
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Originally posted by HotlantaTarheel:
THANK YOU RAZE! I was about to point out what all the Republicans have failed to mention....not Earle, but a grand jury made up of 12(?) Texas voters found credible evidence to charge Delay. Is the GOP going to claim that the jury members are on a partisan witch hunt too?
FROM MIB:
Before you thank some kiddie who doesn't know what he's talking about: grand juries aren't 12--that's trial juries. Grand juries can consist of dozens of individuals, and a simple majority vote is usually what it takes to get an indictment.
MIB....I actually feel sad for you. Your credibility is even lower than W's.Originally posted by HotlantaTarheel:
THANK YOU RAZE! I was about to point out what all the Republicans have failed to mention....not Earle, but a grand jury made up of 12(?) Texas voters found credible evidence to charge Delay. Is the GOP going to claim that the jury members are on a partisan witch hunt too?
FROM MIB:
Before you thank some kiddie who doesn't know what he's talking about: grand juries aren't 12--that's trial juries. Grand juries can consist of dozens of individuals, and a simple majority vote is usually what it takes to get an indictment.
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\"It wasn't Mr. Earle that indicted the man. It was the 12 members of the grand jury,\" Gibson said.
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The 12-member grand jury that indicted U.S. Rep. Tom Delay, R-Sugar Land, faces scrutiny from critics who say they are lackeys for Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle.
http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_sto...asp?ArID=146685Maybe you should learn a little bit about legal proceedings before speaking.
Bush thinks Delay is innocent.
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One of DeLay's conspiracy charges was dropped by a state district judge last week. On Tuesday, Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle said he would appeal the charge. The president said Wednesday he thinks DeLay is innocent.
\"Yes I do,\" he said. He added that he'd like to see DeLay return to the House as majority leader.
\"I don’t know whether I can expect that. I hope that he will, 'cause I like him, and plus, when he’s over there, we get our votes through the House,\" Bush said.
What happened to the "I'm not gonna comment on an ongoing investigation" b.s.? \"Yes I do,\" he said. He added that he'd like to see DeLay return to the House as majority leader.
\"I don’t know whether I can expect that. I hope that he will, 'cause I like him, and plus, when he’s over there, we get our votes through the House,\" Bush said.
hypocrisy wins!!!
Is the hammer about to fall on the Hammer?
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About two dozen Republicans have promised to sign a petition calling for elections to permanently replace Rep. Tom DeLay as majority leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, aides said on Friday.
\"We have commitments for about 25 signatures. The letter calls for a leadership election for a permanent majority leader,\" said Matthew Specht, a spokesman for Rep. Jeff Flake, a conservative Arizona Republican.
Fifty House Republican signatures are needed to call elections, which would occur after the House reconvenes on January 31.
Bye-bye, Bug Man. :cool:
\"We have commitments for about 25 signatures. The letter calls for a leadership election for a permanent majority leader,\" said Matthew Specht, a spokesman for Rep. Jeff Flake, a conservative Arizona Republican.
Fifty House Republican signatures are needed to call elections, which would occur after the House reconvenes on January 31.
Delay quits majority leader post.
Next step--boot him out of Congress altogether in November!
It couldn't have happened to a nastier a-hole. :cool:
Next step--boot him out of Congress altogether in November!
It couldn't have happened to a nastier a-hole. :cool:
The next pic of him I wish to see is one from behind bars, where he belongs. wink
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KeyWest Guy:
Three of the eight in the pic have now taken the fall--"Brownie", Abramoff, and Delay. Who's next of the other 5???
Texas highest criminal court refuses to dismiss Delay charges.
Odds on him losing his seat in November? I put 'em at 60% and rising.
Odds on him losing his seat in November? I put 'em at 60% and rising.
House rethuglicans are running from him like roaches from Raid.
Tommy, you're doing a heck of a job!
Tommy, you're doing a heck of a job!
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RazorbackTX:
House rethuglicans are running from him like roaches from Raid.
OK - you criticized the Repugs when they supported DeLay -Now you are criticizing them for NOT supporting him. You can't have it both ways.
House rethuglicans are running from him like roaches from Raid.
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copman:
You can't have it both ways.
Yeah, that would be too Republican of you. You can't have it both ways.
I'm against Department of Homeland Security; I'm for Department of Homeland Security.
I'm against a 9/11 Commission; I'm for a 9/11 Commission.
I'm against torture; I'm for torture.
Everybody add your favorite. GOP'ing can be fun!
This afternoon on CNN's Situation Room, Bill Schneider had some new poll numbers out ( since the Abramoff scandal) which needless to say, are not very good for the Repugs. The Dems. numbers weren't all glowing, better than the Repugs., but it seems the American people are warming up to the idea that we need to "clean house" beginning this fall.
BLUNT NEARS FINISH LINE
--Majority Whip's office confirms 100+ supporters--
WASHINGTON --- The office of House Majority Whip Roy Blunt today confirms that Congressman Blunt has reached more than 100 Member commitments in his bid for House Majority Leader.
Blunt issued the following statement:
"I will continue to work aggressively in the next few hours and days to build on these commitments and to reach out to each of my colleagues, seeking their support for the vision of smarter, not bigger government that is accountable to the people who send us here.
"It is the reform principles that are the hallmark of our eleven-year majority that will help us regain the trust of the American people and lead us into the next decade and beyond."
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So the Republicans are going to elect someone else tied to Abramoff? How stupider can they be? If they lose the House--a distinct possibility (the Senate will be much too difficult for the Dems to capture)--they will have no one but themselves to blame. There are other, better candidates to replace DeLay. Perhaps the GOP ought to consider those individuals. Idiots.
--Majority Whip's office confirms 100+ supporters--
WASHINGTON --- The office of House Majority Whip Roy Blunt today confirms that Congressman Blunt has reached more than 100 Member commitments in his bid for House Majority Leader.
Blunt issued the following statement:
"I will continue to work aggressively in the next few hours and days to build on these commitments and to reach out to each of my colleagues, seeking their support for the vision of smarter, not bigger government that is accountable to the people who send us here.
"It is the reform principles that are the hallmark of our eleven-year majority that will help us regain the trust of the American people and lead us into the next decade and beyond."
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So the Republicans are going to elect someone else tied to Abramoff? How stupider can they be? If they lose the House--a distinct possibility (the Senate will be much too difficult for the Dems to capture)--they will have no one but themselves to blame. There are other, better candidates to replace DeLay. Perhaps the GOP ought to consider those individuals. Idiots.
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copman:
That doesnt even make sense. I didnt critize them for "NOT" supporting him, Im just stating a fact. (Something you rethuglicans have no interest in - facts)QUOTE
RazorbackTX:
House rethuglicans are running from him like roaches from Raid.
OK - you criticized the Repugs when they supported DeLay -Now you are criticizing them for NOT supporting him. You can't have it both ways. House rethuglicans are running from him like roaches from Raid.
You should come down and campaign for your man Tom, he'll need your support!
Speaking of Hiding Roaches,
RAZE, where ya been? Planning that Poke playoff tailgate?????
GO POKES!
RAZE, where ya been? Planning that Poke playoff tailgate?????
GO POKES!
PhillyFan, Where have YOU been? Busy with Mensa meetings? Go Mensa!
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