bobby78751
Aug 26 2004, 05:53 AM
Why don't I go ahead and be the first one to start the thread of evil. Hey, it was going to be either me or Raze, anyway.
This is a bizarre story on the front page of this morning's Austin American-Statesman. Looks like things might not go as planned next week in NYC. (I am pasting this since registration is required, go to statesman.com to see the story):
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Protesters aim to make Big Apple miserable for GOP Delegates
By Bob Dart
WASHINGTON BUREAU
Thursday, August 26, 2004
WASHINGTON -- Hoping to turn the Big Apple rotten for Republicans, protesters are plotting enough mischief to ensure that delegates won't be wearing \"I ™ N.Y.\" shirts home from their party's political convention next week.
Groups such as RNC Not Welcome, Counter Convention, Shut It Down NYC and No RNC Clearinghouse are using the Internet to create headaches for the 5,000 or so delegates and alternates coming to New York for the Republican National Convention.
Broadway casts are being urged to call in sick on the night that state delegations are scheduled to go to the theater.
\"Shadow protesters\" are being recruited to disguise themselves as clean-cut volunteers and infiltrate convention hotels and events. Penetrating the convention \"bubble,\" these \"phantom volunteers\" will seek to provide wrong directions to delegates or cause havoc by not showing up for their duties at key times.
Armed with the times and locations of scores of GOP events, street theater groups plan to disrupt convention-connected affairs all over Manhattan.
One protest Web site even provided instructions (and a recipe for chocolate tofu meringue pie) for getting into an event and \"pieing\" delegates. \"Choose a worthy target. Any pompous evil-doer will do for a glouping. Shave, put on a suit (without necktie), wear an American flag pin, and keep your hair short. You'll be able to go anywhere!\"
\"We want to make their stay here as miserable as possible,\" anarchist Jamie Moran, the son of a retired Queens police officer, told Rolling Stone magazine.
Even liberal comedian Al Franken, stealing an idea from the movie \"Network,\" hopes to raise a ruckus during the convention. In the 1976 classic film, the character Howard Beale asks his television audience to get up and go to their open windows and yell, \"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!\"
On Wednesday, Franken urged New Yorkers to stick their heads out of their windows on Sept. 2, when President Bush formally accepts his party's nomination, and yell, \"Fuggedaboutdit!\"
\"This is a form of protest that is very nondisruptive,\" Franken said at the Manhattan office of Air America radio network, where he hosts a talk show.
Franken said he expected the shouts to last less than five minutes. Out of \"respect for the office of the presidency,\" he asked that participants quiet down once Bush begins speaking so \"people can hear him give a bad speech.\"
Republican planners had hoped that holding their convention in New York shortly before the third anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks that wounded the city would highlight what they view as one of President Bush's finest hours. But anti-Bush animosity runs high in a city where registered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans by a 5-1 margin.
And frustrated dissidents are turning to mischief and \"direct actions\" after traditional protest parades and demonstrations were successfully kept away from recent political events such as the G-8 Summit on Sea Island, Ga., and the Democratic National Convention in Boston.
\"When Bush went to London in November, 300,000 people marched in protest of his visit. That is the largest protest ever held on a weekday in the U.K.,\" said Angela Coppola of No RNC Clearinghouse. \"The first lady said she didn't see a single protester while she was in Britain.
\"This is a president who admits to not reading newspapers. He is allowed to live in an artificial America where everyone agrees with him,\" she explained. \"This is the reason we are targeting delegates. The Bush administration feels it should not have to see dissent. All of America is a free-speech zone.\"
So organizers are preparing to spread mayhem wherever delegates venture, especially away from the heavily secured convention site.
\"If we are diffused throughout the city, we will have a much better advantage. After all, the real target is not Madison Square Garden, the stage of the spectacle, but the various events where deals are made, where the lobbyists wine, dine, and bribe Bush & Co.,\" the group RNC Not Welcome told potential protesters.
Internet sites have provided the names and addresses of hotels where state delegations will be staying, plus the times and addresses of convention-related events.
The leftist Indy Media has posted an Internet list of names, hometown street addresses, phone numbers and e-mail addresses of Republican delegates in addition to the hotels where they will be staying \"during their invasion of New York City.\"
The Indy Media objectives: To \"supply anti-RNC groups with data on the delegates to use in whatever way they see fit.\"
And to \"facilitate making local connections. Many of these same delegates are involved in politics and business on a town or county level.\"
To gather inside information on the GOP conventioneers and their activities, the protesters are wooing disgruntled employees of hotels, sympathizers on Broadway and at convention party venues, and anti-Republican activists in home states.
\"Any source of contributed info will remain anonymous, of course,\" said Indy Media in seeking data on delegates.
Of course, these plans have not been welcomed by delegates and others who surf the Internet.
\"I am a delegate,\" one e-mailer responded. \"The first one of you slimebags that tries anything on me will meet the business end of my Glock. I will be packing it in New York.\"
\"Why interfere with delegates?,\" asked another e-mailer. \"The conventions are the nuts and bolts of our political system. Are you willing to destroy democracy to 'save it'?\"
The short answer may be \"yes.\"
\"We view the Republican Party as one of the most important organizations of the ruling class, selling and intellectualizing this system to all thanks in part to a compliant corporate media system,\" said Indy Media in an online commentary. \"But do not misinterpret us. We do not view the Democratic Party as an opposition party but rather as another side of the same coin.\"
Among the anarchists, there is no overall organization or plan for the convention protests, said Moran of RNC Not Welcome.
\"We are not ringleaders of protests nor are we telling people to go to specific delegate hotels,\" he explained in an e-mail. \"We have published information knowing that people want it but we are not running a protest dispatch service.\"
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aquaman
Aug 26 2004, 06:25 AM
While not a fan of the GOP, I think some of the tactics detailed here are just plain mean-spirited. I'm all in favor of protest and ciliv disobedience, but attempts to inflitrate hotels and mislead delegates and all that are a bit much. From my experience of being in Boston during the DNC, there really are not major opportunities for the delegates to interact with the local populace, so I think some of these guys are wasting their time.
fantomas
Aug 26 2004, 07:10 AM
Isn't the basic idea of anarchy that there is no plan?
I'm just waiting to see if the media, who are in the pocket of the GOP, call the RNC spectacle what it really is: a total fake, phoney, Potemkin Village farce (since they're not going to let their diehard, wacko right-wing nuts speak in prime time, unlike the Democrats).
Some of the marches and protests look interesting, though. I'm still debating whether I'm going to attend some of them.
William1865
Aug 26 2004, 07:56 AM
QUOTE
fantomas:
Isn't the basic idea of anarchy that there is no plan?
I'm just waiting to see if the media, who are in the pocket of the GOP, call the RNC spectacle what it really is: a total fake, phoney, Potemkin Village farce (since they're not going to let their diehard, wacko right-wing nuts speak in prime time, unlike the Democrats).
Some of the marches and protests look interesting, though. I'm still debating whether I'm going to attend some of them.
The Democrats let their diehard, wacko right-wing nuts speak in prime-time? Must have missed that...
RazorbackTX
Aug 26 2004, 09:21 AM
I think Mr. Haney aka Zell Miller is the most conservative speaker they're having.
[ August 26, 2004, 09:21 AM: Message edited by: RazorbackTX ]
gmginsfo
Aug 26 2004, 10:04 AM
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bobby78751:
Why don't I go ahead and be the first one to start the thread of evil. Hey, it was going to be either me or Raze, anyway.
So which one of you two is going to be the first to chip in and $upport Outsports??? :confused:
CPT_Doom
Aug 26 2004, 10:53 AM
Looks like the RNC's attempt to put a moderate face on the convention may have cracked just a little bit. They have just announced a line-up of entertainers, including Donnie McClurkin, a Grammy-winning gospel singer, who also happens to be virulently anti-gay.
From a 700 Club profile:
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The recent limelight on the homosexual agenda has Donnie stirred. \"The gloves are off,\" he says. \"And if there’s going to be a war, there’s going to be a war. But it will be a war with a purpose.\" He is very concerned that the Christian community is not outraged at the recent homosexual high school in New York. \"This is not a privately funded school. It is a public school funded by taxpayers' money. Why isn’t anyone else speaking out?\" he asks. Donnie believes that it actually puts the children more at risk than if they were attending a regular high school. \"Everyone knows that everyone at the high school is homosexual. That makes for an easy target.\"
His main purpose, though, is to help sexually confused children. \"How do they know that they are homosexual?\" asks Donnie. \"If you ask them and go back far enough, it’s usually a pinpoint place.\" For the ones that want help, Donnie is there for them. There are young boys who weep at the altar. \"They want help,\" says Donnie. \"That’s what I’m there to do.\" The gay community is saying that Donnie is a threat and that he is trying to convert young children or control their minds. \"I’m not in the mood to play with those who are trying to kill our children. Someone has to be the voice for them, and the children are only hearing one voice right now,\" he says.
So gays are going to kill children? Wonderful. Apparently this guy was molested by an uncle and a cousin while growing up, so he now claims that that child rape is the only way to become gay, and that he is now "ex-gay" - he is also Star Jones' pastor, and she is about to marry an "ex-gay."
It gets worse, but I'll let you all read it for yourselves, if you'd like. I warn you, though, some of what he said is so disgusting that I am physically ill right now.
John Aravosis' blog - contains links ot various interviews with McClurkin 2002 piece from Keith Boykin - \"Confessions of Donnie McClurkin\"
bear321
Aug 26 2004, 11:27 AM
It really sounds like there is going to be some urban uprising. Check out the flyers and graphics link from this website.
RNC NOT WELCOME I have also read there will be a "sick-out" for all gays and lesbians that have to do anything with broadway shows during the convention. How the hell will they pull off "The Producers" or "The Phantom of the Opera" without any gay people? Ha!!
billsf
Aug 26 2004, 06:17 PM
I don't know if anybody's posted this or not, but I just got this in an e-mail from my also gay brother.
REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE CONVENTION SCHEDULE
New York, NY
6:00 PM - Opening Prayer led by the Reverend Jerry Falwell
6:30 PM - Pledge of Allegiance
6:35 PM - Ceremonial Burning of Bill of Rights (excluding 2nd Amendment)
6:45 PM - Salute to the "Coalition of the Willing"
6:46 PM - Seminar #1: Katherine Harris on "Are Elections Really Necessary?"
7:30 PM - Announcement: Lincoln Memorial Renamed for Ronald Reagan
7:35 PM - Trent Lott - "Re-segregation in the 21st Century"
7:40 PM - EPA Address #1: "Mercury: It's What's for Dinner"
8:00 PM -! Vote on which country to invade next
8:10 PM - Call EMTs to revive Rush Limbaugh after his drug overdose of pain
"medication"
8:15 PM - John Ashcroft Lecture: "The Homos Are After Your Children"
8:30 PM - Round table discussion on reproductive rights (Men Only)
8:50 PM - Seminar #2: "Corporations: The Government of the Future"
9:00 PM - Condi Rice sings "Can't Help Lovin' Dat Man"
9:05 PM - Phyllis Schlafly speaks on "Why Women Shouldn't Be Leaders"
9:10 PM - EPA Address #2: "Trees: The Real Cause of Forest Fires"
9:30 PM - Break for secret meetings
10:00 PM - Second Prayer led by Cal Thomas
10:15 PM - Carl Rove Lecture: "Doublespeak Made Simple"
10:30 PM - Rumsfeld Lecture/Demonstration: "How to Squint and Talk Macho
Even When You Feel Squishy Inside"
10:35 PM - Bush demonstration of trademark "deer in headlights" stare
10:40 PM - John Ashcroft Demonstration: New M! andatory Kevlar Chastity Belt
10:45 PM - GOP's Tribute to Tokenism, featuring Colin Powell & Condi Rice
10:46 PM - Ann Coulter's Tribute to "Joe McCarthy, American Patriot"
10:50 PM - Seminar #3: "Education: A Drain on Our Nation's Economy"
11:10 PM - Hilary Clinton Piñata
11:20 PM - John Ashcroft Lecture: "Evolutionists: A Dangerous New Cult"
11:30 PM - Call EMTs to revive Rush Limbaugh again
11:35 PM - Blame Clinton
11:40 PM - Newt Gingrich speaks on "The Sanctity of Marriage"
11:41 PM - Announcement: Ronald Reagan to be added to Mt. Rushmore
11:50 PM - Closing Prayer led by Jesus Himself
12:00 Mid - Nomination of George W. Bush as Holy Supreme Planetary Overlord
fantomas
Aug 26 2004, 10:10 PM
QUOTE
William1865:
QUOTE
fantomas:
Isn't the basic idea of anarchy that there is no plan?
I'm just waiting to see if the media, who are in the pocket of the GOP, call the RNC spectacle what it really is: a total fake, phoney, Potemkin Village farce (since they're not going to let their diehard, wacko right-wing nuts speak in prime time, unlike the Democrats).
Some of the marches and protests look interesting, though. I'm still debating whether I'm going to attend some of them.
The Democrats let their diehard, wacko right-wing nuts speak in prime-time? Must have missed that...
It's called "ellipsis," dear. But metaphorically speaking, it's what the RNC has got planned for New York. Only no one is buying it. By the way, are you working on the inside on behalf of any platform? I know they're holding their breath to hear what you have to say.
George Twins fan
Aug 27 2004, 10:20 AM
Man the traffic is already horrendous! Anybody who drives into Manhattan without a really, really, really good reason will be added to the "People Who Should Be Shot" thread!
Seph
Aug 27 2004, 11:45 AM
Today's Happy Hour at Ty's should be packed with more blue suits and red ties than Jim McGreevey's closet, eh G_vf?
Just remember, do NOT attempt any Naked Singing. eek! wink
billsf
Aug 29 2004, 12:56 AM
Oh I have to agree with Katherine Harris, "Are elections really necessary?".
copman
Aug 29 2004, 04:42 AM
QUOTE
billsf:
11:10 PM - Hilary Clinton Piñata
Sure sorry I'm missing this event!

A very crafty/brilliant woman who for someone reason the sight and /or sound of her is like nails on the chalkboard to me. eek!
[ August 29, 2004, 04:44 AM: Message edited by: copman ]
billsf
Aug 29 2004, 01:01 PM
I saw on CNN.com this morning that the protests are already HUGE! This is going to be something. It's just amazing how much hatred there is for the chimp.
PhillyFan
Aug 29 2004, 07:07 PM
QUOTE
copman:
QUOTE
billsf:
11:10 PM - Hilary Clinton Piñata
Sure sorry I'm missing this event!

A very crafty/brilliant woman who for someone reason the sight and /or sound of her is like nails on the chalkboard to me. eek!
No this would never happen, when you hit one of these candy should come out, not a big pile of shit...sheesh.
billsf
Aug 29 2004, 07:50 PM
I'd love to see big piles of shit pouring all over the repugs.
bobby78751
Aug 30 2004, 05:58 AM
QUOTE
PhillyFan:
QUOTE
copman:
QUOTE
billsf:
11:10 PM - Hilary Clinton Piñata
Sure sorry I'm missing this event!

A very crafty/brilliant woman who for someone reason the sight and /or sound of her is like nails on the chalkboard to me. eek!
No this would never happen, when you hit one of these candy should come out, not a big pile of shit...sheesh.
And, if anyone knows
anything about big piles of shit, it's gotta be Little Filly.
hockeyTom
Aug 30 2004, 07:30 AM
I would imagine Shrub is going to bring up his support for the constitutional amendment, to make marriage between a man and a woman only, seeing how most of the Repug. delegates are of the radical right kind, well, just like the Prez himself! wink
DC_guy
Aug 30 2004, 07:46 AM
I agree it will be part of the convention, maybe not televised though. Anti gay marriage amendment is part of the basic GOP platform, so it will be brought up.
ChipW
Aug 30 2004, 08:08 AM
It's all televised on C-Span, right? I don't know if the Dems can use any of that footage, but you'd expect there might be some ugly speeches if the true sentiments there were voiced and that might scare those few undecideds away from the Reps. Chances are though they have tight rein on things and anything said will disguise the rad right leanings of this group.
ung
Aug 30 2004, 09:50 AM
It's interesting to me the presentation and feature speakers at this Nat'l Convention.
I am very often told that because of my pro-gay, pro-choice and other leanings, I am not a "real republican". I'm told by others including some on this board that I don't meet the requirements to be GOP.
So then... I'm confused by the line up of prominent republicans who espouse views just like mine. Pataki and Bloomberg along with Giuliani and McCain have all been given prominent TV-FaceTime to present the GOP as the party that "I" see. Not as envisioned by those wacky loonies who are trying to hi-jack my party.
Where is Dick Armey? Where is The ex-terminex man? where is Ann Coulter? Where is The Supreme Court Justice who placed the 10 Commandments in the lobby of the court house in the middle of the night?
where is the pep rally for the marriage amendment?
[ August 30, 2004, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: ung ]
Denver Fan
Aug 30 2004, 10:06 AM
Ung, you are what true Republicanism is. This party knows they have to put on a moderate face, even if they will wash all the make-up off soon as they get into office. Most people don't see the extremism, they just see what's on prime-time and vote. So they know they have to get all pretty'd up for TV, even if it's a sham.
hockeyTom
Aug 30 2004, 10:37 AM
I liked what President Clinton said the other day, "every four years the Republicans have to put on that compassionate face."
I also heard on the radio news that former Mayor Koch is supporting Shrub this year. Too bad.
CPT_Doom
Aug 30 2004, 10:44 AM
I saw at least one "pro-family" web site that reassured its members not to worry about the line-up of RINOs for the convention (Republicans in Name Only), because the administration, at its heart, still towed the radical conservative line it has been promoting for the last 4 years.
ung
Aug 30 2004, 11:54 AM
I know! That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
These ass****s call us "RINOs" ... Republicans in NAME ONLY. meaning we're not real republicans. and they are the only real GOP. Just as they are the only ones with "The Truth" about everything else including morality and legality.
and yet, in the most high profile GOP event presented to the nation. It's only these "RINOs" who are given prominent roles (except for the candidates themselves)
The self-styled real republicans are stowed away in the attic like the crazy aunt during a dinner party.
So then... who IS the real GOP here?
I say let the freakazoid newcomer holy rollers get their own Christian Ultimate Truth Party and leave my GOP alone.
HornFan
Aug 30 2004, 12:36 PM
QUOTE
I'm confused by the line up of prominent republicans who espouse views just like mine. Pataki and Bloomberg along with Giuliani and McCain have all been given prominent TV-FaceTime to present the GOP as the party that \"I\" see. Not as envisioned by those wacky loonies who are trying to hi-jack my party.
Ung, please let us know if these RINO's (you forgot about Arnold) actually are allowed to talk about being pro-gay, pro-choice, pro-environment etc. (It's still all lipstick on a pig because we ALL know who has the GOP by the balls. Amen?)
Joe in Philly
Aug 30 2004, 01:40 PM
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ung:
I say let the freakazoid newcomer holy rollers get their own Christian Ultimate Truth Party and leave my GOP alone.
You're too late. They've already got your party under control. Lock, stock and barrel. And people like Giuliani and McCain need to be called onto the carpet once and for all for their support of these wackos. Until they stop letting themselves be used by the ultra-right, they should have no support whatsoever from
real GOP moderates, if there is such a thing. If there really are a lot of GOP moderates, and they all got together and announced that they were leaving the Republican party and forming their own party, wouldn't that put a serious dent in the GOP?
Heh. No. Either they're not really moderate or they don't have the guts to do it.
CPT_Doom
Aug 30 2004, 01:46 PM
Saw McCain interviewed on Today this AM, and although I didn't hear the whole thing, he seemed to be struggling to answer Matt Lauer's questions on why he is so strongly supporting Bush when he disagrees on so many matters.
The basic gist was "I agree on basic economic principles, which trumps all the other issues" and "I want to see my party keep control of the Congress and White House" - yes Sen. McCain, but at what cost?
The social conservatives who now run the party may think they are in the cat-bird's seat, but polls of younger voters consistently find their views divergent from the GOP on social issues (even the kids of evangelicals are WAY more tolerant than their parents). Even if the GOP manages to eke out a Bush victory this year, it is likely to lose more and more support as those voters age.
Is it worth supporting Bush now to see the GOP collapse in a decade?
smalltownboy
Aug 30 2004, 01:50 PM
This from Rosanne Cash's homepage....(just in case any of you are dumbstruck with any Republican's using the image of Mr. Cash.
I'm very sure she won't mind the republishing here:
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August 27, 2004
Dear Friends,
First, in the tempests-in-teacups department:
The Cash family has NOT approved the usage of the name or likeness of Johnny Cash for the purposes of the Republican Party, or any political agenda or event.
Sotheby's, who is auctioning the estate of Johnny and June Cash on September 14th, 15th and 16th, is not affiliated with any political organization and has no political agenda.
The Republican Party and/or convention cannot and has not co-opted the name or likeness of Johnny Cash for their purposes.
What HAS happened is that Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, an old family friend of Dad and June, has asked to have a private party at Sotheby's for some members of the Tennessee delegation. Sotheby's rents out space for parties to many, many diverse groups, and this was approved by both Sotheby's and the estate lawyers for my father, based on the personal relationship between our family and the Senator, NOT as a show of support for the Republican agenda.
What was a little more murky was a second party, unrelated to the Senator, and whose intent was somewhat confusing, which seemed to play rather fast and loose with the image of my Dad on their invitations and and party plan. As soon as we found out about this, it was stopped. With a resounding thud.
There is no need to 'defend' my Dad against the Republicans, or against anyone, for that matter, as some over-zealous types would have you believe. You can rest assured that if anyone needs to 'defend' my Dad against improper usage of his name or image, that we, the family and the estate lawyers, are on the case, usually long before the rest of the world finds out about it. It is our honor and our duty to protect the legacy of my father, and we all take this very seriously, and we are empowered to the nth degree to do so.
So, please, rest easy. If you feel the need to protest something, allow me to give you directions to Madison Square Garden.
Rosanne Cash
NJ
jqueer
Aug 30 2004, 02:41 PM
QUOTE
ung:
I am very often told that because of my pro-gay, pro-choice and other leanings, I am not a \"real republican\". I'm told by others including some on this board that I don't meet the requirements to be GOP.
If you're not a real republican, you probably shouldn't be voting for their candidates. I can certainly understand why the Democratic party is not a viable option for disenfranchised Republicans, but until the modertates stop putting up with the radicals of their party (either party), the parties will become increasingly radicalized until the moderates are mere window dressing, if they aren't already. If you don't like where you're party's headed, stop voting for them. If radical candidates can't get elected, they won't get nominated, and the parties will belong to the moderates again. Ultimately, one has to decide what's worse, a party radicalized to the point of actually working against your best interests or the other guys. Until moderates decide the former is worse than the latter, the latter will prevail.
NFLJockGuy
Aug 30 2004, 02:56 PM
Here's another topper (but really doesn't surprise me)...
The GOP has contacted "suitable" black people in the New York area (on a PAID basis) to come to the convention and stand in the crowd with the attending delegates!!!!
I'm waiting to see how long it takes one of these Republican "stand-ins" to go public on CNN or FOX News Channel with their story...although it's probably in their "contract" that if they go public they won't get the cash.....
OlympicFan
Aug 30 2004, 04:36 PM
QUOTE
NFLJockGuy:
The GOP has contacted \"suitable\" black people in the New York area (on a PAID basis) to come to the convention and stand in the crowd with the attending delegates!!!!
This sounds like a fascinating story. Can you post a link or something with some more info?
NFLJockGuy
Aug 30 2004, 04:56 PM
quote:
This sounds like a fascinating story. Can you post a link or something with some more info?
Actually have heard this a couple places; from media contacts in NYC and on
www.KeithBoykin.comthe web site of activist and former Clinton Advisor Keith Boykin....
Adam
Aug 30 2004, 05:55 PM
QUOTE
ung:
It's interesting to me the presentation and feature speakers at this Nat'l Convention.
I am very often told that because of my pro-gay, pro-choice and other leanings, I am not a \"real republican\". I'm told by others including some on this board that I don't meet the requirements to be GOP.
So then... I'm confused by the line up of prominent republicans who espouse views just like mine. Pataki and Bloomberg along with Giuliani and McCain have all been given prominent TV-FaceTime to present the GOP as the party that \"I\" see. Not as envisioned by those wacky loonies who are trying to hi-jack my party.
Where is Dick Armey? Where is The ex-terminex man? where is Ann Coulter? Where is The Supreme Court Justice who placed the 10 Commandments in the lobby of the court house in the middle of the night?
where is the pep rally for the marriage amendment?
But that's the nature of the Conventions this year. Both are striving to be moderates to appeal to that small segment of the electorate still up for grabs. My Democrats kept mum in prime time on such topics as abortion, gun control, poverty & the homeless opting to tout its military strength. The Republicans will keep the socailly hard right in check during prime time in favor of the more moderate faces of the party--even if those don't have the President's ear.
~Adam
TomFord
Aug 30 2004, 06:04 PM
Ron Silver is on right now. He's not a very effective speaker (which is surprising for an actor).
I swear, he's Mrs. Broslovsky (Kyle's mom...you know, the bitch). Same accent, same speech about the Canadian menace, same outrage.
Munson Man
Aug 30 2004, 08:26 PM
Wow!! Rudy Giuliani set MSG on fire tonight. He absolutely hammered John Kerry on his repeated flip-flops. and drew blood several times The speech was terrific and really highlighted the core problem with Kerry for a lot of us.
ung
Aug 30 2004, 08:36 PM
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jqueer:
QUOTE
ung:
I am very often told that because of my pro-gay, pro-choice and other leanings, I am not a \"real republican\". I'm told by others including some on this board that I don't meet the requirements to be GOP.
If you're not a real republican, you probably shouldn't be voting for their candidates. I can certainly understand why the Democratic party is not a viable option for disenfranchised Republicans.... If you don't like where you're party's headed, stop voting for them....
Have you never read a single post of mine in the P&R section?
I have more than adequately voiced my displeasure of the Cheney administration. and stated my willingness to hold my nose and vote for Kerry. I and other republicans like me don't need to be told to "stop supporting for radical weirdos"...... We aren't!
by the way.... it seems you missed the whole point of my post. I do NOT concede that I'm just "RINO". I and others who think like me are in fact, the true republicans. Not these freaky pestcontrol worker freaks. I am GOP and proud to be so.
What the dems need to do is field a more viable candidate (viable as in "win-able" as well as in :lifelike") instead of the stiff animated tree character from The Lord of The Rings called Kerry.
Stop giving us no alternative and then blaming us for not helping dems do the job thy're supposed to do.
[ August 30, 2004, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: ung ]
fantomas
Aug 30 2004, 09:36 PM
QUOTE
Munson Man:
Wow!! Rudy Giuliani set MSG on fire tonight. He absolutely hammered John Kerry on his repeated flip-flops. and drew blood several times The speech was terrific and really highlighted the core problem with Kerry for a lot of us.
Just wondering, but do most of the delegates know that the Kerry-hammering, pro-gay, pro-choice adulterer Rudy G also dresses up in drag from time to time as "Rudia"? I know Weld, Pataki, Bloomberg, etc., like most New Yorkers, have no issues with Rudy's crossdressing, but some of those anti-gay fanatics in MSG might. (PS, definitely don't tell Phyllis Schlafly!)

Julie and "Rudia"
Link:
Rudia
smalltownboy
Aug 30 2004, 09:49 PM
Well if Rudy was running....he would have my vote...definitely. Maybe one day in the not so distant future, he will be a shining example of what a Republican CAN be...instead of what most are....
NJ
jqueer
Aug 30 2004, 11:36 PM
QUOTE
ung:
Have you never read a single post of mine in the P&R section?
Sorry, my bad. That really wasn't supposed to come accross as a personal post to you specifically, more a hypothetical to people of both parties dissatisfied with the status quo. However, it did come accross as a bit of a personal attack. Sorry. It was really just a riff on the whole, RINO idea.
bobby78751
Aug 31 2004, 05:22 AM
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TomFord:
Ron Silver is on right now. He's not a very effective speaker (which is surprising for an actor).
No wonder every TV show he's had has failed. I've hated this guy for years...now, I have even more reason.
I tried to watch the convention on C-Span last night but while I could get a clear picture, the sound was constant static. I called a friend of mine who lives about 4 miles away and he said his reception was perfect. I guess the no-bullshit dome my liberal neighborhood has built over our part of town is working.
bobby78751
Aug 31 2004, 05:27 AM
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Adam:
But that's the nature of the Conventions this year. Both are striving to be moderates to appeal to that small segment of the electorate still up for grabs. My Democrats kept mum in prime time on such topics as abortion, gun control, poverty & the homeless opting to tout its military strength. The Republicans will keep the socailly hard right in check during prime time in favor of the more moderate faces of the party--even if those don't have the President's ear.
~Adam
However, having Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton, AND Teddy Kennedy at the Democratic Convention proves we Democrats aren't afraid to appeal to our Left side...unlike the Repugs who are closeting all of their right wingnuts in hopes of selling their slick sack of crap to naive ill-informed undecided voters.
RazorbackTX
Aug 31 2004, 05:59 AM
What a classy group they have there:
GOP Purple Hearts
GatorJamie
Aug 31 2004, 06:11 AM
Not to mention the new cocktail made with W ketchup that they're promoting. It's called a "Bloody Kerry."
(puke in disgust)
bobby78751
Aug 31 2004, 06:14 AM
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RazorbackTX:
What a classy group they have there:
GOP Purple Hearts If you mock one man's Purple Heart Award, you mock them all. What a petty, spiteful group of people these GOPers are.
azairforce
Aug 31 2004, 06:23 AM
Thats very disgusting. I think its a real shame but am I surprised by this No
fantomas
Aug 31 2004, 06:42 AM
Speaking of flipflops, didn't W launch a "winning the war on terror" bus tour just a few months ago? So why did he say yesterday that he probably couldn't win the war on terror? Was Rove® not in the room to keep him on message? Flip flop!
MM, did Rudy mention that?
Rudy would never get my vote. He made his dislike of black New Yorkers (1/4th of the city) evident from the beginning. But one NY Republican--RINOs--I would vote for is Mike Bloomberg. I wonder if he has a drag alter-ego.
bobby78751
Aug 31 2004, 06:49 AM
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fantomas:
But one NY Republican--RINOs--I would vote for is Mike Bloomberg. I wonder if he has a drag alter-ego.
Didn't Bloomberg used to be a Democrat? If so, FLIP-FLOP!
illini n milwaukee
Aug 31 2004, 06:54 AM
I'm not a big Giuliani fan myself. Just like NY's 2012 bid selection, I think a chunk of his popularity, especially outside of NY, is because of 9/11. If you go back and look at his political history, it's nothing solid at all, not to mention a female scandal which the republicans seem to fine with since he's popular now.
Just curious, but what was watching Fox News like last night? Did they have the same panel 'reviewing' the speeches (that they seemed to like criticizing every Democratic speech)?
And was Bill O'Reilly staying with his 'platform' on the conventions and saying how it's hype and we shouldn't take anything from them?
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