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I like the offical White House spin now about Shrub's unbelievebale comment to Matt Lauer yesterday abour the war on terror, and the fact that Shrub thinks we can't win it. The spin coming out says, "oh well, we we meant to say was, you a can't a really a put a date on a time when a we can end this." Whatever. I hope Kerry and the Dems exploit this faux pas to the hilt!
How's it a faux pas? He said: "I don't think you can win [the war on terror]. But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world."
And he's right.
Funny how Guiliani conveniently whitewashed the IRA and the support they had in the New York for years in his 'support and appeasement of terrorists through the ages' bit.
And he's right.
Funny how Guiliani conveniently whitewashed the IRA and the support they had in the New York for years in his 'support and appeasement of terrorists through the ages' bit.
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TomFord:
How's it a faux pas? He said: \"I don't think you can win [the war on terror]. But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world.\"
And he's right.
But wait, TF--W launched a \"Winning the War on Terror\" bus tour several months ago. He has said repeatedly that the war was winnable and that we were winning it, despite all indications to the contrary.How's it a faux pas? He said: \"I don't think you can win [the war on terror]. But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world.\"
And he's right.
Then he says, as TF notes, that he can't win it. Uh oh. So \"Mr. Catastrophic Success\" is being...realistic?
BUT WAIT--FLIP FLOP--the psychopath will tell the American Legion that HE CAN WIN IT!
This on top of the constant recitation that he made no mistakes in what is obviously a disastrous Iraq policy, then he admits a \"miscalculation,\" and blames the military's swift defeat of Saddam's regime for the debacle that followed. And his statement that he didn't given timelines to dictators, after having done so with Saddam.
Come on W, stop flipflopping, pop some more of those meds, and be the decisive little strutting, craven bantam cock you like to present yourself as! YOu can't attribute everything to 9/11!
W's new flipflop-\\"We will win\\" terror war
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Bush now saying \"we will win\" terror war
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By Jennifer Loven
Aug. 31, 2004 | NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- President Bush will tell the nation's largest veterans' group Tuesday that \"we will win\" the war on terror, seeking to quell controversy and Democratic criticism of his remark aired a day earlier that victory in the anti-terror battle may not be possible, his spokesman said.
In a speech before the national convention of the American Legion, the president will make it \"crystal clear\" that America will win the war on terrorism, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.
\"Not only are we winning it, but we will win it,\" McClellan said in describing Bush's speech.
That message contradicts Bush's statement, aired Monday in a pre-taped television interview, that \"I don't think you can win\" the war on terror. That had Democrats running for the cameras to criticize Bush for being defeatist and flip-flopping from previous predictions of victory.
\"What if President Reagan had said that it may be difficult to win the war against communism? What if other presidents had said it'd be difficult to win the war -- the Cold War?\" Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards said on ABC's \"Nightline\" program. \"The war on terrorism is absolutely winnable.\"
Bush's comment -- and the ensuing criticism -- took attention away from the carefully crafted image of Bush being broadcast from the Republican National Convention in New York, as a decisive wartime commander in chief who is securing America's safety and sure of the course on which he has set the nation.
As Bush continued a pre-convention journey through one closely contested state after another, aides scrambled to clarify the president's remark and contain the story. And in Tuesday's speech before the American Legion, with popular Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona by his side, Bush himself was seeking to hit back.
\"There are some out there that are intent on trying to create a false impression,\" McClellan said. The press secretary had said the president only meant the war on terror won't be won \"in the conventional sense\" with formal surrenders or treaties signed and insisted Bush's statement was no departure from the past.
Bush's war on terror remarks wasn't the first of recent days in which the president seemed to backpedal previous certainties.
In a flurry of interviews timed to coincide with this week's convention, Bush acknowledged a \"miscalculation\" about what the United States would encounter in postwar Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime and said the \"catastrophic success\" of a swift military victory there helped produce the still-potent insurgency.
\"First George W. Bush said he miscalculated the war in Iraq, then he called it a catastrophic success and blamed the military,\" Kerry spokeswoman Allison Dobson said. \"Now he says we can't win the war on terror. Is that what (chief Bush political strategist) Karl Rove means when he calls for steady leadership?\"
The campaign professed not to be worried that the president had gone off-message.
\"The American people have watched the president lead the war on terror decisively for three years,\" Bush-Cheney spokesman Steve Schmidt said. \"The people of this country know what his leadership is.\"
But Bill Carrick, a California-based Democratic consultant, said the comments -- even if they were merely unfortunately phrased expressions of mostly obvious truths -- are politically dangerous because they speak to the very heart of the president's re-election pitch.
Carrick saw no hypocrisy in Democrats playing the issue, even though they have cried foul over similar attacks on Kerry. For instance, Vice President Dick Cheney criticized Kerry for saying he could fight \"a more effective, more thoughtful, more strategic, more proactive, more sensitive war on terror\" by singling out for mockery his use of the word \"sensitive.\"
\"Turnabout is fair play on this,\" Carrick said. \"Exploit this to the hilt.\"
Bush's campaign swing will land him in New York on Wednesday, a day before his convention speech accepting the GOP nomination for a second term. From Nashville, Bush travels to Alleman, Iowa, to attend a farm show and ends the long day of campaigning in another crucial state, Pennsylvania, where he makes a late-evening appearance at a picnic.
Also Tuesday, Bush said on NBC's \"Today\" show that he will continue pursuing diplomatic rather than military options to try to get Iran to halt its nuclear program. Earlier this month, Iran confirmed it had resumed building nuclear centrifuges, which can be used to enrich uranium to weapons grade, and declared it shIould have the right to advanced nuclear technology.
While he's \"deeply concerned\" by Iran's actions, Bush said diplomatic efforts are just beginning there and he's hopeful they will be successful.
ft: It's pretty clear that he's responding to the notion of winning a war on terror on a timetable (like a presidential term of 4 years). The war on terror is winnable in the long run, just like the cold war. Look, he's being all nuance for a change, and you hate it when he isn't and you hate it when he is. Tant pis. It's not a faux pas, and he's right on this, and everyone should just move on. There are other more damning things to get him on that will resonate more with undecided voters--like the economy.
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TomFord:
ft: It's pretty clear that he's responding to the notion of winning a war on terror on a timetable (like a presidential term of 4 years). The war on terror is winnable in the long run, just like the cold war. Look, he's being all nuance for a change, and you hate it when he isn't and you hate it when he is. Tant pis. It's not a faux pas, and he's right on this, and everyone should just move on. There are other more damning things to get him on that will resonate more with undecided voters--like the economy.
Please. He's far worse of a flipflopper than Kerry, and you know it. This is a perfect example. ft: It's pretty clear that he's responding to the notion of winning a war on terror on a timetable (like a presidential term of 4 years). The war on terror is winnable in the long run, just like the cold war. Look, he's being all nuance for a change, and you hate it when he isn't and you hate it when he is. Tant pis. It's not a faux pas, and he's right on this, and everyone should just move on. There are other more damning things to get him on that will resonate more with undecided voters--like the economy.
He offered ZERO nuance on what is obviously a complex issue for years, and then he shows some (or confusion, which in his case may be the same thing, given how he paused when answering the question), then rushes right back to quash the nuance. Can't you see this?
Also, I'm not so sure "it's the economy, stupid" (not you, just quoting the phrase) is the most salient issue. Some undecideds actually moved based on that awful Swift Boat hatefulness, which is related to questions of the war. So discussing W's flipflops, especially one like this, is critical.
Yes, so now Shrub in a campaign speech just this morning, now says it's a war we can win, and we will win . Gee, this makes me think of something he excels at. If you said flip-flop you got it!!!
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Im a war president...
I want to be the peace president...
We can win the war on terror...
We cant win the war on terror...
No, we can win the war on terror...
FlipFlopper-in-Chief
I want to be the peace president...
We can win the war on terror...
We cant win the war on terror...
No, we can win the war on terror...
FlipFlopper-in-Chief
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RazorbackTX:
Cut yourself shaving?
C*nt. :mad:
Cut yourself shaving?
ft: re: "He offered ZERO nuance on what is obviously a complex issue for years." No, what he's done is craftily get out a simple and effective message that ordinary Americans respond to. Is the war on terror winnable? In a word, yes. Now, you can come to the same conclusion with a phone book's worth of text, but the sort of exegesis that would resonate with you isn't what's going to keep him popular. All Bush said is that it's not winnable in a short schedule. And, again, he's right.
The Swift Boat issue: the most depressing thing isn't so much the lies (which is expected), but Kerry's tepid response. I think that's what more and more people are responding to. The letter being delivered to Crawford, his appearance on the Daily Show, ugh. He comes off as so beleaguered and beaten by it all. Here's to hoping he finds a way out of it. Listen, we keep being told that he's at his best when his back's against the wall, so here's to hoping.
The Swift Boat issue: the most depressing thing isn't so much the lies (which is expected), but Kerry's tepid response. I think that's what more and more people are responding to. The letter being delivered to Crawford, his appearance on the Daily Show, ugh. He comes off as so beleaguered and beaten by it all. Here's to hoping he finds a way out of it. Listen, we keep being told that he's at his best when his back's against the wall, so here's to hoping.
Now, compare Kerry's response to Bush's response to this flap over "unwinnable." Bush clarifies what he meant immediately, and lest his supporters still don't get it, gets right back on message by going on Rush this afternoon to stick to his old story:
How many days/weeks of bleeding did Kerry have? By the time the Times put that chart together and that Ginsberg fellow resigned, the damage had been done. He should have been on every damn show and station he could have been from the start, explaining what he did in Vietnam and what these guys were up to. And how awful the Vietnam war was, and how nuts it is for anyone to pretend that prolonging it was the patriotic thing to do. He's has to stop being a weak candidate. And yet we're told he can't be negative, so it's tough.
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\"Really what I was saying to [Matt] Lauer was, is that this is not the kind of war where you sit down and sign a peace treaty. A totally different kind of war. But we will win it. Your listeners have got to know that I am, I know we'll win it, but we're going to have to be resolved and firm, and we can't doubt what we stand for, and the long-term solution is to spread freedom.\"
Now, you don't like it, but there you have it. A day later, he sets the record straight, and the matter's closed. How many days/weeks of bleeding did Kerry have? By the time the Times put that chart together and that Ginsberg fellow resigned, the damage had been done. He should have been on every damn show and station he could have been from the start, explaining what he did in Vietnam and what these guys were up to. And how awful the Vietnam war was, and how nuts it is for anyone to pretend that prolonging it was the patriotic thing to do. He's has to stop being a weak candidate. And yet we're told he can't be negative, so it's tough.
So in other words, all Shrub is guilty of is not thinking before he speaks, then, right? He does alot of that.
He sure does, which is why he's so tightly scripted. Anyway, he's a damn good candidate. This is a depressing week for Kerry supporters, what with the falling numbers and the con-convention, but it's barely September. With all that loot, Kerry's bound to blaze back into favor. Oh, I guess it's not so bad: an incumbant shouldn't have been trailing in the first place blah blah wonk wonk zzz.
Sorry to part ways with you GJ, but I like the "Creative Anarchy" approach of the purple BandAids. Can't GOPers be wry and "in your face" too?
I liked Rudy's speech A LOT, MM. Some people see him as sarcastic and confrontational. If he were mindlessly, repetitively, childishly, vulgarly or spitefully so - see posts by Messrs. Bobby and Razorback, generally - I'd find him offensive as well, but he doesn't stoop to that level and laces his barbs with hard facts and high humor. There's no doubt he cleaned up NYC significantly and while he may not suffer fools or opportunists like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton gladly, it's a huge stretch to suggest he "dislikes black NYers," as FT did. I hope we see more of Rudy - and something tells me I'm going to get my wish.
I liked Rudy's speech A LOT, MM. Some people see him as sarcastic and confrontational. If he were mindlessly, repetitively, childishly, vulgarly or spitefully so - see posts by Messrs. Bobby and Razorback, generally - I'd find him offensive as well, but he doesn't stoop to that level and laces his barbs with hard facts and high humor. There's no doubt he cleaned up NYC significantly and while he may not suffer fools or opportunists like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton gladly, it's a huge stretch to suggest he "dislikes black NYers," as FT did. I hope we see more of Rudy - and something tells me I'm going to get my wish.
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gmginsfo:
Can't GOPers be wry and \"in your face\" too?
Absolutely. But I take grave personal offense at anyone who denigrates military service in such a disgusting way. The same would hold true if it were a Democrat saying this about a Republican veteran, or a 60's protester spitting on a returning GI.Can't GOPers be wry and \"in your face\" too?
In that case, it would be f**king c*nt.
Edited to add: It's like I have no sense of humor. I daresay that I enjoy a much broader range of non-PC humor than the average schmo. But a few things really yank my chain. That's one of them.
Another example:
Funny: W Ketchup instead of Heinz.
Not funny: Making cocktails with W Ketchup called "Bloody Kerry."
KnowwhatImsayin?
[ August 31, 2004, 03:37 PM: Message edited by: GatorJamie ]
GJ, Kinda, but I guess my sense of humor runs a little tougher. Nothing a few of those appletinis wouldn't mellow, though! wink
From the GOP podium. "Marriage between a man and a woman isn't something Republicans invented, but it is something Republicans will defend." Sen. Libby (I love ViAAAgra) Dole.
Watching Arnold right now and I really don't care for his speech. Economic girly-men? What?? And I also didn't care for his bashing of the United Nations. Not exactly the smartest move. Then he goes and talks about how America isn't about hate, it's about decency. Umm ok.
Talking about two Americas and saying that troops don't think that, they are just fighting for the U.S. Well Arrrrrnold, is that why the military is mainly made up of lower class kids who can't afford to go to college?
And does he really have to use all of his movies titles and phrases in his speeches??
Now we get the Bush girls giggling. Gee, the one Bush girl really dressed up for this night. ENOUGH JOKES!
[ August 31, 2004, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: illini n milwaukee ]
Talking about two Americas and saying that troops don't think that, they are just fighting for the U.S. Well Arrrrrnold, is that why the military is mainly made up of lower class kids who can't afford to go to college?
And does he really have to use all of his movies titles and phrases in his speeches??
Now we get the Bush girls giggling. Gee, the one Bush girl really dressed up for this night. ENOUGH JOKES!
[ August 31, 2004, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: illini n milwaukee ]
My observations of tonight -
Jenna Bush has all the presentation skills of a high school commencement speech.
Barbara Bush looks a lot like Bobby Bowden in drag.
Arnold has gone one better than the actual Terminator- he is now officially made of plastic composite materials.
The GOP is so dreadfully boring that I fear for the ability of the average Log Cabin Republican to convince straight people that they are actually GAY.
Jenna Bush has all the presentation skills of a high school commencement speech.
Barbara Bush looks a lot like Bobby Bowden in drag.
Arnold has gone one better than the actual Terminator- he is now officially made of plastic composite materials.
The GOP is so dreadfully boring that I fear for the ability of the average Log Cabin Republican to convince straight people that they are actually GAY.
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gmginsfo:
There's no doubt he cleaned up NYC significantly
There's also little doubt that that "cleanup" created am atmosphere of infallability among the police that led directly to atrocities of which the Abner Louima case was merely the most visible.
There's no doubt he cleaned up NYC significantly
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illini n milwaukee:
Now we get the Bush girls giggling. Gee, the one Bush girl really dressed up for this night. ENOUGH JOKES!
Were they drunk? Or did Dennis Miller just write their material? eek! eek! eek!
Now we get the Bush girls giggling. Gee, the one Bush girl really dressed up for this night. ENOUGH JOKES!
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gmginsfo:
I liked Rudy's speech A LOT, MM. Some people see him as sarcastic and confrontational. If he were mindlessly, repetitively, childishly, vulgarly or spitefully so - see posts by Messrs. Bobby and Razorback, generally - I'd find him offensive as well, but he doesn't stoop to that level and laces his barbs with hard facts and high humor. There's no doubt he cleaned up NYC significantly and while he may not suffer fools or opportunists like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton gladly, it's a huge stretch to suggest he \"dislikes black NYers,\" as FT did. I hope we see more of Rudy - and something tells me I'm going to get my wish.
Yeah, the speech was terrific. The delivery was also very different from the typical political speech - anecdotal and downright folksy at times, but brash and Noo Yawkish at other times. He hit a homerun. I lived in New York through Rudy's eight years as Mayor, and he didn't always wear well, but he always governed with passion and dedication, and distinguished himself by making decisions about people based solely on the content of their character. Rudy in '08!
I liked Rudy's speech A LOT, MM. Some people see him as sarcastic and confrontational. If he were mindlessly, repetitively, childishly, vulgarly or spitefully so - see posts by Messrs. Bobby and Razorback, generally - I'd find him offensive as well, but he doesn't stoop to that level and laces his barbs with hard facts and high humor. There's no doubt he cleaned up NYC significantly and while he may not suffer fools or opportunists like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton gladly, it's a huge stretch to suggest he \"dislikes black NYers,\" as FT did. I hope we see more of Rudy - and something tells me I'm going to get my wish.
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gmginsfo
[QB] Sorry to part ways with you GJ, but I like the \"Creative Anarchy\" approach of the purple BandAids. Can't GOPers be wry and \"in your face\" too?
Well, given that most of these idiots never served NOR were wounded in a war, I guess their utter disrespect for our people in uniform is \"wry\" and humorous to you.[QB] Sorry to part ways with you GJ, but I like the \"Creative Anarchy\" approach of the purple BandAids. Can't GOPers be wry and \"in your face\" too?
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and while he may not suffer fools or opportunists like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton gladly, it's a huge stretch to suggest he \"dislikes black NYers,\" as FT did. I hope we see more of Rudy - and something tells me I'm going to get my wish.
What are you talking about? I've lived for a third of my life in the NY area--New York City and Hudson County--and I've seen Rudy Giuliani for quite some time, from his prosecutorial days on. I even remember the FIRST wife he left, Dr. Regina Peruggi. As mayor, among his many slaps in the face of black New Yorkers, he refused FOR YEARS to meet with the city's black elected officials--that is, not the unelected Jackson and Sharpton, but the Manhattan Borough President, etc., and especially battled the city's black federal officials. He did everything he could to push poor and working class people in Manhattan, disproportionately black and latino, into the outer boroughs, suburbs or New Jersey, and was FORCED to back down after repeated protests over his initial stands on the Louima attack and the Diallo murder (and there were many others). Again and again he sided with rogue, brutal "law enforcement" officers and officials. You may worship Rudy Giuliani all you want, and he did some great things for the city, like repair and beautify the West Side Highway and West Street, as well as take the steady decrease in crime that began under DAVID DINKINS to historic lows (which occurred generally under Clinton's presidency--and Giuliani at one time supported Clinton and other Democrats), but he frequently, particularly during his mayoralty, dissed and disrespected black New Yorkers. (He was also obsessively anti-club and anti-sex, but that's another story.) You may also not recall this, but his popularity before 9/11, like W's, was on the wane. He would have lost to Hillary Clinton had he stayed in the race; instead, the GOP put Lil' Ricky Lazio up, and he was trounced. (Where's he these days?)
[ August 31, 2004, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
OH you people are just cry baby girly men
Arnold's speech was something out of the movie "Wag the Dog" starring Dustin Hoffman. An entire candidacy scripted by Hollywood fools. Remind you of Reagan? Now it's in the Bush administration. Laura's speech, I could take for 4 minutes and I was about to puke.
Bush's daughters are cheap Texas drunk whores.
Bush's daughters are cheap Texas drunk whores.
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billsf:
Bush's daughters are cheap Texas drunk whores.
i have to take exception to this statement. it goes overboard and is unnecessarily harsh. the bush girls are NOT CHEAP!
Bush's daughters are cheap Texas drunk whores.
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gmginsfo:
GJ, Kinda, but I guess my sense of humor runs a little tougher. Nothing a few of those appletinis wouldn't mellow, though! wink
Hey German-GJ, Kinda, but I guess my sense of humor runs a little tougher. Nothing a few of those appletinis wouldn't mellow, though! wink
Shouldnt you be in NYC "begging" with the rest of the doormats?
The Coors twins were truly awful.
What the hell was Rove thinking?
I felt like I was watching a really, really
bad sorority skit.
Note to Jenna n Tonic: Lay off the cigs honey, you sound like you've been eating gravel.
What the hell was Rove thinking?
I felt like I was watching a really, really
bad sorority skit.
Note to Jenna n Tonic: Lay off the cigs honey, you sound like you've been eating gravel.
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BPT336:
Were they drunk? Or did Dennis Miller just write their material? eek! eek! eek!
How can you tell the difference? Or is there one? Were they drunk? Or did Dennis Miller just write their material? eek! eek! eek!
The more I watched Schwartzenegger (sp) and the more passionate he was speaking, I kept expecting him to blurt out, Heil Hilter!
Oh well.
Oh well.
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AU Tiger in ATL:
... I fear for the ability of the average Log Cabin Republican to convince straight people that they are actually GAY.
LOL! This has been, and remains, a continuing problem for many in LCR, including me! Worse, it crosses sexual orientation lines! ... I fear for the ability of the average Log Cabin Republican to convince straight people that they are actually GAY.
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gmginsfo:
Sorry to part ways with you GJ, but I like the \"Creative Anarchy\" approach of the purple BandAids. Can't GOPers be wry and \"in your face\" too?
Why dont you and Newt take some of your purple heart bandaids over to Walter Reed? Im sure you guys would be a big hit.
Sorry to part ways with you GJ, but I like the \"Creative Anarchy\" approach of the purple BandAids. Can't GOPers be wry and \"in your face\" too?
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PhillyFan:
OH you people are just cry baby girly men
Mmmmm....girly. Girly is gooood... :cool: OH you people are just cry baby girly men
Now get back out there and wash my car after you change the oil. It's gotta look good for its trip to Philly later this month. Be a good boy and I'll fetch you a beer. wink
hmmmmm, the harshest attacks in the convention come from a DEMOCRAT! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Very damning speech that will only come back to hurt Kerry and his 20 year record in the senate.
Very damning speech that will only come back to hurt Kerry and his 20 year record in the senate.
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PhillyFan:
hmmmmm, the harshest attacks in the convention come from a DEMOCRAT! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Zell Miller is as much a Democrat as Christine Todd Whitman is a Republican.
hmmmmm, the harshest attacks in the convention come from a DEMOCRAT! HAHAHAHAHAHA
I couldn't believe how bad Cheney's speech was. No wonder he's VP. His most "crowd stirring" lines did nothing to stir up the crowd. He's got no fire and had absolutely no effect on the crowd. Even the occasional "4 more years" chants lasted for very little time.
The Democratic ass****'s speech will continuously be compared to his former speeches at earlier Democratic conventions, which totally contradict this speech. No effect whatsoever on Kerry.
The chimp's up tomorrow night. Say goodbye to the white house dubya. Good riddance. Go back to the ranch and your whorehouse daughters.
:cool:
The Democratic ass****'s speech will continuously be compared to his former speeches at earlier Democratic conventions, which totally contradict this speech. No effect whatsoever on Kerry.
The chimp's up tomorrow night. Say goodbye to the white house dubya. Good riddance. Go back to the ranch and your whorehouse daughters.
:cool:
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PhillyFan:
hmmmmm, the harshest attacks in the convention come from a DEMOCRAT! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Very damning speech that will only come back to hurt Kerry and his 20 year record in the senate.
You only wish, Mr. Delusional. Zell Miller is an attention-grabbing-political-whore who would sell his own daughter just so he could be on Oprah to talk about it.hmmmmm, the harshest attacks in the convention come from a DEMOCRAT! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Very damning speech that will only come back to hurt Kerry and his 20 year record in the senate.
Wow, I was stunned that Mary Cheney did not join the rest of her entire family on stage last night...I guess there was a hedonist detector and she didn't make it thru security. I suppose we need to print up some more milk cartons because she is obviously missing again.
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It was very telling how Dick Cheney talked about his grandchildren in his speech, and then trotted out his wife, their straight daughter, her husband, and their picture-perfect little children at the end of the speech. Missing, of course, was the lesbian daughter. Everyone waved and smiled, and if you didn't know any better, you would assume that was the entire family.
CNN said that the media had been informed prior to the speech that Mary Cheney would not appear on stage, and that this was her own choice. Wolf Blitzer noted that at the last convention both daughters appeared on stage.
CNN said that the media had been informed prior to the speech that Mary Cheney would not appear on stage, and that this was her own choice. Wolf Blitzer noted that at the last convention both daughters appeared on stage.
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canmark:
It was very telling how Dick Cheney talked about his grandchildren in his speech, and then trotted out his wife, their straight daughter, her husband, and their picture-perfect little children at the end of the speech. Missing, of course, was the lesbian daughter. Everyone waved and smiled, and if you didn't know any better, you would assume that was the entire family.
CNN said that the media had been informed prior to the speech that Mary Cheney would not appear on stage, and that this was her own choice. Wolf Blitzer noted that at the last convention both daughters appeared on stage.
This just makes me want to cry. frown
It was very telling how Dick Cheney talked about his grandchildren in his speech, and then trotted out his wife, their straight daughter, her husband, and their picture-perfect little children at the end of the speech. Missing, of course, was the lesbian daughter. Everyone waved and smiled, and if you didn't know any better, you would assume that was the entire family.
CNN said that the media had been informed prior to the speech that Mary Cheney would not appear on stage, and that this was her own choice. Wolf Blitzer noted that at the last convention both daughters appeared on stage.
I know there is another thread on this but those people are really angry. I don't get it -- aren't they supposed to be in charge?
And what are Big Daddy Bush and Babs doing there presiding over the convention? The loser got about a third of the vote the last time he ran.
And what are Big Daddy Bush and Babs doing there presiding over the convention? The loser got about a third of the vote the last time he ran.
Maybe Mary was helping the Log Cowards pick up trash on the convention floor.
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RazorbackTX:
Maybe Mary was helping the Log Cowards pick up trash on the convention floor.
Ah, yes. Since the family gathering was at the end of the night, she was backstage getting into her custodial jumpsuit to sweep up the trash on the floor. And as I've said before, no matter how much you sweep at a Repug convention, you'll never get rid of all the trash.
Maybe Mary was helping the Log Cowards pick up trash on the convention floor.
I was surprised at how petty Cheney's speech was. I guess I expected him to appear wise, statesmanlike and slightly above it all. Instead, he was like this angry, cornered animal who lashes out in a fit of weakness. And the grimace that settles on his face after a zinger at Kerry...it just seems so ungentlemanly and weak that he has to relish it considering his position. Nothing of substance. We keep being told he's the brains, but he gave us a bunch of mush.
Looking forward to a possible next term of monkey-flea infestation at The White House and since Cheney is not pursuing a political career after the next God-foresaken term, I guess The Dick is bitter about him probably being replaced at some point during Bushie's next term to set up the heir to the throne in 2008. UGH!
Am I the only person who thought that that "flip flop" motion that the delegates were making was remniscent of the Braves' "tomahawk chop." It's funny at first, but quickly becomes tiresome.
I watched the flea-eater's true lies speech last night. What a jokester. It was a good laugh hearing his economic plans for our country during the next four years when he has really don't much the last four years. "Please, give me four more years, there is still money left to give to my biggest donors." I don't think I ever heard the environment mentioned once.
The most telling part of the convention was watching how voices of dissent were treated last night. You speak up against the Annointed one, and you are treated like a dog and get your ass literally dragged out of the convention. Plus, I guess they will be prosecuted for violating the "Loyalty Pledge". I guess they got that idea from Adolf, too.
I applaud the protestors who made it inside the walls of the enemy.
The most telling part of the convention was watching how voices of dissent were treated last night. You speak up against the Annointed one, and you are treated like a dog and get your ass literally dragged out of the convention. Plus, I guess they will be prosecuted for violating the "Loyalty Pledge". I guess they got that idea from Adolf, too.
I applaud the protestors who made it inside the walls of the enemy.
No mention of Osama Bin Laden??
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mdphl:
No mention of Osama Bin Laden??
Who?No mention of Osama Bin Laden??
I let my dog out at one point during the speech, I figured he talked about the deficit, Osama, one million jobs lost while I was away.
I thought it was a very effective speech last night. Bush played to his strength, which is the defense issue. Rightly or wrongly, polls show he has a huge advantage over Kerry on this issue, and he reminded people of that very effectively. The GOP has succeeded in shifting the debate to their terms and their issues: national defense, terrorism, etc, and that's not good for Kerry. I think Kerry's run a pretty poor campaign thus far. He came out of the Dem convention with good will and a slight lead, and rather than hammer home an economic plank that would hit Bush where he was weakest, he never articulated an entire sound economic policy other than rolling back part of the tax cut, and so he never resonated with the public to the point where he could start expanding his small lead. In addition, he let the Swift Boat mess fester unanswered far too long, which raised questions in the minds of undecideds, as well as in the minds of his own party. I understand he wanted to take the high ground, and that's admirable in personal dealings, but in a national campaign it leaves people feeling uneasy about the fire in his belly - in essence people feel if he won't speak up and fight for himself it could mean he won't speak up and fight for his country. And that plays right into the GOP's strengths. It's clear Bush has regained momentum, and it will be interesting to see if Kerry can turn the tide once again. To do so he will need to find the voice, and the passion, that served him so well in Iowa and New Hampshire. I don't think he will, but we'll certainly see for ourselves over the next few weeks.
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