RazorbackTX
Feb 24 2004, 08:52 AM
QUOTE
bobby78751:
What an ass****! He made his pithy little speech then fled from the briefing room. Coward!
"Whewwwwwww, Im done for the day, Andy go get me a cheeseburger."
bobby78751
Feb 24 2004, 09:10 AM
What pisses me off so much is the fact that he is proposing an alteration to the U.S. Constitution and he is not allowing one question to be asked of him to justify this decision. He runs off like a little baby. Anyone from the gay community who supports this man should be ashamed.
swimmer
Feb 24 2004, 09:13 AM
Sign this petition if you support the right of every American to marry, including gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender couples. Not sure what good it will do with a President and Party hellbent on denying us equal rights, but at least it's something. There are suggestions for other things you can do as well.
MillionforMarriage Petition
HornFan
Feb 24 2004, 09:23 AM
I believe you Bush apologist can now SHUT THE f**k UP! Kerry is AGAINST a constitutional amendment making Gays 2nd class "citizens". There is a very CLEAR distinction between these two men when it comes to Gays.
I'll be at a Memorial Service this afternoon for one of my best friends who died Sunday.
He left behind a partner of 32 years. THIRTY-TWO YEARS! A fact that means absolutely nothing to Bush and his party. Yes, I'm f**kING BITTER TODAY!!! :mad:
bobby78751
Feb 24 2004, 09:26 AM
QUOTE
HornFan:
I believe you Bush apologist can now SHUT THE f**k UP! Kerry is AGAINST a constitutional amendment making Gays 2nd class \"citizens\". There is a very CLEAR distinction between these two men when it comes to Gays.
I'll be at a Memorial Service this afternoon for one of my best friends who died Sunday.
He left behind a partner of 32 years. THIRTY-TWO YEARS! A fact that means absolutely nothing to Bush and his party. Yes, I'm f**kING BITTER TODAY!!! :mad:
HornFan, I'm sorry to hear about your friend passing away. It's okay to be bitter and angry. I am, too.
hockeyTom
Feb 24 2004, 09:27 AM
Obviously Shrub can't piss off his far right wing radical support from his Falwell troops now can he? His decision now flies right in the face of what his own Vice President said 4 years ago, that these kinds of decisions should be left up to the states!! Uh huh!!!!!! Whatever Bush.
[ February 24, 2004, 08:27 AM: Message edited by: puckman1 ]
JASooner
Feb 24 2004, 09:29 AM
Make no doubt about it, this has nothing to do with "protecting the instiution of marriage". This is pure election year posturing...a weapon of mass distraction from Bush's numerous failures across the board of domestic and international policy. A cheap and cynical attempt to rally his base of support that he long ago abandoned.
To make sure everyone sees this, we should put the president on the spot. We should ask him if he also supports a constiutional amendment to ban divorce. We should ask if he supports a consitutional amendment to prohibit the granting of marriage licenses to anyone who has ever been divorced or had sex out of wedlock. We should ask if he will endorse a constitutional amendment to prohibit anyone from marrying who is not a virgin. We should ask if he would endorse a constitutional amendment to take away children from single parents and put them in foster homes. We should push for an amendment to permenantly take away kids from parents who are abused and neglected.
Do you think he would actually come to endorse any of these amendments? Of course not, because he's far more interested in gay bashing for cheap political points than actually "protecting the institution of marriage" or "protecting children". We've got to make his neck look red. We've got to totally disrupt his little klan rally in New York this summer.
Someone somewhere estimated about 1 million gay men and women voted for him in 2000. It would say a lot if we had 1 million people blocking the entrance to the convention when it opened. Will we get off our lazy asses and get up there to do it? I'm gonna try. I'm putting in for the vacation time today. The coward wants to pick a fight...well he's got one. Time to bring down the bigot.
:mad:
RazorbackTX
Feb 24 2004, 09:34 AM
Gee I can hardly wait to hear from the usual Bush apologists...if they stick their heads out today, which Im not counting on.
gamecock
Feb 24 2004, 09:57 AM
If you can get through I urge everyone to call the White House directly @ (202) 456-1111 and let our "leaders" know that we will NOT just sit still and quietly go back in the closet and allow anyone (especially the President) to advocate such outright hatred and discrimination! :mad: ....the last two press releases that the Log Cabin Republicans released have been quite forceful (including the one following W's State of the Union address last month) but it's time for Patrick Guerrero to denounce this bigot once and for all! -- and surround himself in a national press conference with many of the dozens of courageous leaders who have spoken out for equality.
Is it coincidental that HulaBoy, TomFord, PhillyFan, MIB and all the other right-wing supporters of Bush on this board have been conspicuously quiet this morning?....if I hear ONE gay man say they are still giving even one second of CONSIDERATION to voting for Bush I'm gonna be sick!....if this isn't the time for ALL of us to be united to get this a**hole out of office once and for all, I don't know what is.
Another 11 months of this man in office is bad enough -- I do not want to even begin to think about what we will be subjected to over four more years....the time for us to act is NOW!....contact the White House and every elected official (at the local, state and federal level) to let them know how disgusted we are and that we have no intention of letting such discrimination and hatred prevail!
[ February 24, 2004, 09:52 AM: Message edited by: gamecock ]
TomFord
Feb 24 2004, 10:03 AM
blah, blah, blah
bobby78751
Feb 24 2004, 10:10 AM
I called The White House. It was a surprisingly short 4 minute wait. I shared my comments about how it was unfair for the president not to accept any questions this morning and I registered as not being in favor (duh!) of the amendment. Everyone PLEASE call!!! I would suggest waiting for an operator to leave your comments, don't accept the offer to leave them on the system. Make the call!!!
gamecock
Feb 24 2004, 10:11 AM
QUOTE
TomFord
blah, blah, blah
Just the kind of "intelligent" reply I would expect coming from someone who still supports a President who relegates him to being a second-class citizen and doesn't feel he is deserving of the same rights as every other law abiding American....how sad is that!?
TomFord
Feb 24 2004, 10:15 AM
Not as sad as your painfully short memory gamecock. You baited me on this issue already and I gave you my response. Spoiling for a fight? Why, with one hand tied behind my back...
gamecock
Feb 24 2004, 10:17 AM
Good points, Bobby....I finally got through to the White House myself (as a reminder the number is 202/456-1111 ) after getting a constant busy signal for the past two hours....after waiting on hold less than five minutes I left my comments with a live operator as well....I, too, urge everyone to PLEASE CALL and let our voices be heard -- individually we may not amount to much but collectively as a group our voices may not be able to ignored!....if nothing else, it's ONE STEP that our country provides that we should take advantage of!
[ February 24, 2004, 09:18 AM: Message edited by: gamecock ]
swimmer
Feb 24 2004, 10:28 AM
There's another Quick Vote on CNN's front page. I think MSNBC has one also in one of their stories.
Marriage Vote
gamecock
Feb 24 2004, 10:29 AM
QUOTE
TomFord
Not as sad as your painfully short memory gamecock. You baited me on this issue already and I gave you my response. Spoiling for a fight?
Baiting you for a fight, Tom?
-- hardly!....if you think this issue is humorous to some degree and you have an opinion DEFENDING the President's deplorable statements this morning advocating bigotry against millions of Americans, then I'd like to hear it....otherwise, if the "best" comeback you can think of is "blah, blah, blah" then I think your position speaks for itself.
Or are you really a straight man in "disguise" who thinks the rantings of idiots like Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson, Rick Santorum and George W Bush (and yes, W definitely DESERVES to be lumped in with that group of unconscionable bigots) is in agreement with the principles and rights that our founding fathers had in mind over 225 years ago?
[ February 24, 2004, 09:54 AM: Message edited by: gamecock ]
GatorJamie
Feb 24 2004, 10:29 AM
Say it with me...
MOTHERf**kING PUNK. ASS. CHIMP.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
GatorJamie
Feb 24 2004, 10:30 AM
(((HornFan)))
ballplayer3
Feb 24 2004, 10:32 AM
It is my understanding that the proposed amendment would bar civil unions as well. Is that correct? At least kerry would recognize civil unions...I think that is a tad better than Bush's position at the moment
JASooner
Feb 24 2004, 10:35 AM
With all due respect to everyone here...
Voting in online polls isn't going to make a damned bit of difference. Sitting around and complaining on a message board isn't either. Worrying about a handful of self-hating people who are still going to be apologizing for Bush isn't going to do us any good either.
Phoning and writing the White House can do little more than help us feel better. A few of us are lucky enough to have supportive or potentially supportive Representatives or Senators at the state or federal level. Those folks can certainly make some difference.
But I reiterate, for this to work out for us, we will need to confront the supporters of the marriage amendment on this, and show that we are no longer interested in being used for cheap political points. The Republican National Convention is in NYC August 27 through September 4. Let's get off our asses and prepare for a peaceful but forceful and disruptive protest.
gamecock
Feb 24 2004, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by swimmer:
There's another Quick Vote on CNN's front page.
Marriage VoteThe latest results of this poll (with nearly 34,000 votes cast thus far) reflect 54% AGAINST the FMA and 46% in favor of it....keep voting guys (and reset your cookies if you have to) -- there's similar polls at MSNBC.com.
The MSNBC poll (which has been up for several days with over 127,000 votes cast) reflects 48% SUPPORT for legalization of same-sex marriage and 52% opposed.
If nothing else, these CLOSE poll numbers (in conjunction with we contacting our Senators and elected officials) may have a definite affect upon the ability of Congress to get the 2/3 majority they need to send this amendment to the States.
[ February 24, 2004, 09:41 AM: Message edited by: gamecock ]
HornFan
Feb 24 2004, 10:40 AM
GJ, Thanks for the hugs!
What a horrible day in Amurekah....
Denver Fan
Feb 24 2004, 10:42 AM
If I could afford to go, I would!
I just hope that those here who supported Bush change thier mind and thier vote. Kerry would atleast support Civil Unions, which may be a good first step to full marriage rights. And although the Chimp has no role in the ammendment process, he has plenty of influence on the current states and congress, most of which are Re-puke-lican controlled.
twin58
Feb 24 2004, 10:42 AM
Perhaps rather than taunt the LCR members here with repeated choruses of "I told you so," we could use our time more productively by sharing the text of the snail mail letters we have written to our elected representatives in opposition to Bush's mean-spirited proposal.
Snail mail letters have more weight with your congresscritters than email, online petitions, or phone calls.
I'd start the ball rolling, but I haven't written any letters about this to my elected representatives yet. You?
In my case, Representative Jim Moran will be against the amendment, while Senator Allen will be lockstep in favor and not even listen to any words to the contrary. Senator Warner might listen.
twin58
Feb 24 2004, 10:44 AM
swimmer
Feb 24 2004, 10:45 AM
QUOTE
JASooner:
With all due respect to everyone here...
Voting in online polls isn't going to make a damned bit of difference. Sitting around and complaining on a message board isn't either. Worrying about a handful of self-hating people who are still going to be apologizing for Bush isn't going to do us any good either.
Phoning and writing the White House can do little more than help us feel better. A few of us are lucky enough to have supportive or potentially supportive Representatives or Senators at the state or federal level. Those folks can certainly make some difference.
But I reiterate, for this to work out for us, we will need to confront the supporters of the marriage amendment on this, and show that we are no longer interested in being used for cheap political points. The Republican National Convention is in NYC August 27 through September 4. Let's get off our asses and prepare for a peaceful but forceful and disruptive protest.
For it to work requires ALL of it. Every opportunity to have your opinion heard counts. ALL OF IT. Go in person to meet with your local, state, and federal representatives. Write letters to newspapers, tell friends and family members. Join groups and marches. Sign petitions. The convention isn't until August 27. Our voices need to be heard NOW. This is too important to let pass.
gamecock
Feb 24 2004, 10:46 AM
My condolences to you, as well, HornFan on the loss of your friend....along with all of his family members and friends whose lives I'm sure were enriched by knowing him.
Hang in there, HornFan -- your eloquent comments serve to remind us of WHY we will continue to fight....my thoughts and much love go out to you in Dallas!
MCMikeNamara
Feb 24 2004, 10:46 AM
God knows Andrew Sullivan often makes me skin crawl, but when even when he's wrong, he can make a good argument. And when you agree with him, you're glad he's on your side:
WAR IS DECLARED: The president launched a war today against the civil rights of gay citizens and their families. And just as importantly, he launched a war to defile the most sacred document in the land. Read the Rest There must be no mincing words on this issue. We can go back and forth about marriage and civil unions or what Kerry or Candidate X or somewhat else may have said later. Support of this amendment is support for the creation of second class citizens. Don't lose that focus in this fight.
bobby78751
Feb 24 2004, 10:57 AM
What Bushie said this morning sort of reminds me of a couple of lines from the Travis song "Peace the f**k Out"...
"Now I don't know what you are talking about
There's too much shit pouring out of your mouth"
Unfortunately, we all know what he is talking about: HATE. Not very Christian-like, either.
DC_guy
Feb 24 2004, 11:04 AM
For whatever reasons gay people have supported Bush in the past, I hope we can avoid any desire to say "I told you so" about this topic. It hurts to be betrayed and I'm sure that's how his gay suporters feel. Let's work together to show Bush he can't get away with this rather than taking effort to lob easy barbs at the LCR.
Jim Allen
Feb 24 2004, 11:13 AM
If anyone tries the "but the FMA allows for civil unions" thing, point them to
this article, which is only one of a number I've seen that parse the language in the Amendment and find that it could possibly even be used to strip away housing, employment and other rights. Don't think for a second that the Jeebofacists behind this actually want to allow "civil unions".
I'm glad the Texas Souffle came out in favor of this; his bigotry is now out in the open and easier to attack.
New York in September is going to be
interesting, yes?
[ February 24, 2004, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
coyoteugly
Feb 24 2004, 11:31 AM
QUOTE
gamecock:
Is it coincidental that HulaBoy, TomFord, PhillyFan, MIB and all the other right-wing supporters of Bush on this board have been conspicuously quiet this morning?....
PhillyFan started a new job yesterday and clearly is in no position to devote time to this forum during business hours.
Not sticking up for his politics, which I mostly disagree with, just him (in his absence). I'm sure he'll log on tonight when he gets home.
gamecock
Feb 24 2004, 11:38 AM
It's time to make MARY CHENEY a BIG issue in this campaign, as detailed in
the Feb. 23rd edition of Newsweek....for those who may have forgotten Mary's April 2002 statement she said,
"We can make sexual orientation a nonissue for the Republican party, and we can help achieve equality for all gay and lesbian Americans"....it should also be mentioned that this was when Ms. Cheney was still a member of the gay friendly Republican Unity Coalition, which she has since conveniently quit.
The Newsweek column includes comments from D.C. political consultant John Aravosis (who is co-founder of
www.dearmary.com along with Robin Tyler) who states,
"I think the American people deserve to know he (Dick Cheney) is willing to sell out his daughter for votes. It says something about his character." It may be a good sign that the two political consultants (Aravosis and Tyler) "have a good track record: In 2000 they helped force conservative talk-show host Dr. Laura Schlesinger off television with a similar campaign"....Dr. Laura has a gay/lesbian son or daughter? eek!
Getting back to the intentions of Aravosis and Tyler to make Mary Cheney a CENTRAL part of the campaign, "this week they plan an e-mail ad picturing Mary's face on a milk carton.
Have You Seen Me? it asks, noting that she's been 'silent since her father endorsed anti-gay constitutional amendment making her and millions of Americans second-class citizens.'" Says Aravosis,
"I think Mary is out last best hope to stopping this amendment." [ February 24, 2004, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: gamecock ]
RazorbackTX
Feb 24 2004, 11:47 AM
gmgsfo - where art thou?
bballrob
Feb 24 2004, 11:49 AM
I knew this was coming, there have been reports for weeks about the President taking this position. But when I read the article on the Washington Post website, saw the President's words and the bigotry and intolerance behind them, I cried. I couldn't help myself. To have seen the joy on the faces of those couples in San Francisco and then to read this, how it is assumed that those couples, you, me, anyone who is gay or lesbian, are harmful to children, harmful to families, hurts so much. To think that the majority of our country thinks that is even more hurtful.
So what do we do? My first reaction is sadness, second is anger. Should we all descend on Washington, sit in the chambers of Congress, tell our stories to anyone who will hear? How do we protect one of the most important documents in history, the Constitution, which has been changed less than 30 times in 200 years, from incorporating intentional discrimination of a minority? We have to speak up, to act, to tell our family and straight friends how hurtful and harmful this attack on us is. Maybe this will make some important gays and lesbians come out, to take a stand. Maybe it will make us come out if we are not already there. But we have to do something.
Jim Allen
Feb 24 2004, 11:56 AM
David Ehrenstein
evicerates Andrew Sullivan, the *hee* Creature from the Blog Lagoon *hee* and his fellow travellers.
QUOTE
But for those of us on the Left, for those of us who started the Gay Liberation movement and continue to lead it in spite of you, the struggle isn't hard at all. It's obvious. And the lines were drawn long before George W. Bush drew breath.
So whatcha gonna do, Sully?
Because your call to \"war\" has less resonance than anything Bugs ever said to Elmer. And in the immortal words of Daffy Duck, You're despicable.
[ February 24, 2004, 10:59 AM: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
JASooner
Feb 24 2004, 12:02 PM
I agree that this is NO time to be finger pointing amongst ourselves, LCR included. In fact, they may be able to play a key role in Congress swinging moderate voters away from supporting the FMA. Plus, this would be a great time for them to be on TV saying they're conservatives who are strongly opposed to Bush and this amendment. Our energy can be much better put to use taking action against our real enemies, not the LCR or other gay repubs.
DestinyRules
Feb 24 2004, 12:24 PM
QUOTE
TomFord:
Not as sad as your painfully short memory gamecock. You baited me on this issue already and I gave you my response. Spoiling for a fight? Why, with one hand tied behind my back...
The maturity of your response is not to be believed.
And don't even THINK to try to justify with any sort of "he started it" crap. That makes you look even more immature.
IF this amendment passes, it will only be a matter of time before it gets repealed. Prohibition got repealed 14 years after it was ratified.
Today is a very sad day in the history of our country. A president that didn't even win a majority of the popular votes has just sided with the worst of the bigots.
bobby78751
Feb 24 2004, 12:35 PM
Please, people, call The White House! 202-456-1111.
I got so pissed off this morning that after I called The White House, I logged on to johnkerry.com and bought some buttons!
When this gay guy gets mad, he shops!!!
[ February 24, 2004, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]
bobby78751
Feb 24 2004, 12:57 PM
William1865? (insert cricket noises here) I know he's out there because I've seen him posting on other threads today. Huh. Carry on.
HulaBoy
Feb 24 2004, 01:02 PM
Well, I don't agree with all of it, but here's what Log Cabin has to say.
Personally, I'm disappointed the President has taken this stand, and am concerned it will cost him among the independent, moderate, swing voters. But I still have complete faith in the political instincts of Rove, Gillespie, Hughes & company, and am confident they wouldn't have let Bush make this statement if they weren't convinced it was the politically savvy way to play this issue. If this unfortunate rhetoric is the price of keeping the democrats out of the White House for another 4 years, so be it.
QUOTE
LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS CRITICIZE PRESIDENT BUSH'S SUPPORT FOR ANTI-FAMILY CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
(Washington)- \"Log Cabin Republicans are more determined than ever to fight
the anti-family Constitutional amendment with all our resources,\" said Log
Cabin Executive Director Patrick Guerriero, in response to the President's
announcement that he will push for the anti-family amendment. \"Writing
discrimination into our Constitution violates conservative and Republican
principles. This amendment would not strengthen marriage-it would weaken
our nation.\"
\"As conservative Republicans, we are outraged that any Republican-
particularly the leader of our party and this nation-would support any effort to use our sacred United States Constitution as a way of scoring political points in an election year,\" Guerriero said.
Hundreds of loyal gay and lesbian Republicans and our allies serve in the Bush Administration, work on his re-election campaign and work for GOP members of Congress. Gay and lesbian Americans serve with distinction and courage in our armed forces-helping fight the war on terror. We are firmly resolved to defeat this amendment and continue our mission to build a Republican Party
based on freedom, fairness and equality.
\"Today the President has embraced an amendment that is the product of the radical right. They have mastered the art of gay-bashing after decades of practice. Log Cabin bases our opposition to this anti-family amendment on the principles of American freedom outlined in our Constitution. History will not look back kindly on this assault of our Constitution,\" continued Guerriero.
The anti-family Constitutional amendment would turn back the clock on gay and lesbian basic rights by denying not only civil marriage, but also civil unions and possibly even domestic partnerships. That is why Log Cabin considers support for this amendment a declaration of war on gay and lesbian families and an attack on our sacred Constitution.
\"We are disappointed that some Republicans leaders have abandoned the conservative principles on which this party was built. Liberty, equality and Federalism form the bedrock of Republican values. The President and some other leaders in our party have turned away from these principles to satisfy the radical right in an election year. Simply put, this is politics over principle,\" added Guerriero.
Candidate Bush promised in 2000 to be a \"uniter, not a divider.\" The effort to write discrimination into our Constitution with an anti-family amendment will divide America even further.
Candidate Bush ran as a compassionate conservative. There is nothing compassionate about discriminating against part of the American family. And there is nothing conservative about tinkering with our Constitution.
Candidate Bush ran as a governor who supported Federalism and states' rights. This anti-family amendment runs counter to both those principles. And it runs counter to what Vice-President Cheney said during the 2000 campaign. Instead of allowing each state to decide this issue on its own, the President is pushing a purely political proposal to appease the radical right.
Pandering to the radical right will alienate the centrist, fair-minded swing voters who will ultimately decide the winner of what promises to be a close Presidential election. The President's re-election campaign should be centered on fighting terrorism, cutting taxes and jump-starting the economy. Now, following the same failed path of 1992, we hear the echoes of Pat Buchanan that helped lead to the defeat of the first President Bush.
\"Leaders of the Republican Party often speak of tolerance for gay and lesbian Americans. We agree with this sentiment, but GOP leaders must remember that actions are more important than words. And this action-to support an anti-family Constitutional amendment-sends a disturbing message that part of our American family should be singled out for discrimination,\" continued Guerriero.
Log Cabin understands that sharp disagreements exist about how to recognize gay and lesbian families. This is a new and complex issue for all Americans. We encourage a healthy national dialogue.
Log Cabin Republicans have been loyal members of the GOP. We have been on the front lines with this President through good days and bad days. Log Cabin members believe so strongly in conservative principles that we have stood with this party even when we disagreed on some issues. Our principles have been attacked by the radical right and the far left, but we have stuck with our party. We're not going to leave this party now, but we will not remain silent while some in the GOP try to use our Constitution as a tool for discrimination.
\"Log Cabin's mission is bigger than any one person, one election or one issue. We will not abandon our conservative principles, even as others toss their principles aside for short-term political gain,\" concluded Guerriero.
No matter what happens in the coming months, Log Cabin will stay in the GOP and fight-fight for fairness, liberty and equality. Hundreds of Log Cabin leaders will gather in California this April for our largest national convention ever. And in August, Log Cabin will have a strong presence in New York for the GOP's 2004 national convention. We will mobilize all our resources and grassroots strength to fight this anti-family Constitutional amendment.
DC_guy
Feb 24 2004, 01:06 PM
There's an online chat with the head of the FRC right now on the Washington Post site. You can see who is really forming public policy for the President. They're having one at 4PM today with someone who is against the amendment.
Chat
TomFord
Feb 24 2004, 01:07 PM
Sullivan's in champion yes-I-am, no-I'm-not form today with his "I won't pretend that I was ever a Bush supporter" line. Back-tracker! He's always been a Bush supporter (which was fine by me, just say as much, and say that you're not anymore if that's it). He's always been very big on the "Bush is the only one who can save us from the terrorists" tip (which I found a bit ridiculous). So, now it's war. Well, he's set himself up for lots of told you so's.
I don't know what's more sick-making--the late wringing of hands and saying he was not a Bush supporter in the past or the letters he keeps posting from people whose approval he badly wants: the happily married Catholic mother or the man of the cloth who write in to chirp that gay marriage is A-OK by them.
bobby78751
Feb 24 2004, 01:11 PM
[quote]HulaBoy:
If this unfortunate rhetoric is the price of keeping the democrats out of the White House for another 4 years, so be it. [/quote][/QUOTE]
It's not so "unfortunate" if it keeps the jerks in The White House, now is it? You are about as messed up as the leaders of this current administration. Who will be there to stop them from taking you when they have taken everyone else? Think about it, HulaWacko.
Seabaseballluvr
Feb 24 2004, 01:16 PM
right on Bobby! more like self-hating Hulawacko though.
KeyWest Guy
Feb 24 2004, 01:33 PM
Screw Shrub! Don't waste your time on calls to the White House; call your Representative and Senators and demand that they come out against this abomination immediately. I've called my Republican Represenative and my two Democratic Senators and demanded this response of them.
Don't wait until a vote is taken (possibly months or years down the road). Make them stand up against this now and show Shrub as the divisive, pandering punk he is.
By the way, George W., clean up your own house first. (i.e, brother who's got herpes and multiple adulterous affairs and possibly out-of-wedlock children, niece who's a crack addict, not to mention his own issues which he never properly addressed from his past.) :mad: :mad:
gamecock
Feb 24 2004, 01:35 PM
Here's a transcript of Bush's entire speech this morning....he chose to mention at the end of his speech,
"Our government should respect every person and protect the institution of marriage. There is no contradiction between these responsibilities"....I wonder why W's puppeteers would be SURE to have him mention that they do NOT consider it to be contradiction unless they already knew that millions of Americans would be smart enough to realize that his hollow words represent a HUGE contradiction and are diametrically opposed to his endorsement of such a discriminatory measure?
One positive sign that may make it difficult for these FMA advocates to achieve the two-thirds majority that they need from both houses of Congress is demonstrated by the fact that, along with the large number of Democrats that we would expect to be in our corner, several prominent
Republicans have spoken out against this absurd amendment....in particular, Rep. David Dreier (R-CA.), who was a co-chairman of Bush's California campaign in 2000, mentioned
"I believe this should go through the courts, and I think we're at a point where it's not necessary"....even other supporters of President Bush who are openly OPPOSED to gay marriage have voiced opposition to the FMA, including New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, who stated
"I agree with the President in terms of being opposed to same-sex marriage, but to tamper with the Constitution on an issue like this that should be left up to the states is a mistake." As for those Outsporters who claim they are still "unclear" as to where John Kerry stands in relation to W on this critical issue, he should have eliminated all doubt today when Kerry responded by saying,
"I believe President Bush is wrong. All Americans should be concerned when a President who is in political trouble tries to tamper with the Constitution of the United States at the start of his re-election campaign" and accurately added that Bush is
"looking for a wedge issue to divide the American people."
HulaBoy
Feb 24 2004, 01:42 PM
No, I'm just not paranoid, and expect to continue living a very fulfilled life, even if the right to same sex marriage remains, as it has for the last 200+ years, unavailable.
For anyone who hasn't bothered to read the
transcript of what Bush had to say, he was very clear (a) that the amendment he is prepared to support will allow states to enact civil unions if they want; and (
that every person is entitled to respect:
QUOTE
The amendment should fully protect marriage, while leaving the state legislatures free to make their own choices in defining legal arrangements other than marriage. . . .
Our government should respect every person and protect the institution of marriage. There is no contradiction between these responsibilities.
I will admit there is a fine line between Bush supporting this amendment, and Kerry saying he doesn't support gay marriage but he also doesn't support the amendment. Kinda like Kerry saying first that he supported the invasion of Iraq and now that he doesn't. Etc., etc. At least with
Bush, we know where we stand, on what I expect will be a minor issue in the campaign. JMHO, of course.
GatorJamie
Feb 24 2004, 01:45 PM
QUOTE
bobby78751:
When this gay guy gets mad, he shops!!!
Gurrrl, I can just see you doin tha sidways "DontAmend.com" 3-snap!
KeyWest Guy
Feb 24 2004, 01:49 PM
For those who wish to contact their members of Congress:
House of Representatives and
Senate
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