Stung in an Afghan 'hornets' nest'
Andrew North
BBC News at US Camp Tillman, Afghan-Pakistan border
BBC Report from Camp Tillman
Toughing it in the Afghan army
R
[ July 09, 2005, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: ITJock ]
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afghanistan is all mountains and must be hell to fight in especially next to the Pakistan area. I was at Bagram and the mountains there were in the 15-16,000 feet area and they were the small ones. people can hide in those damn things for pretty much ever and not get caught. i talked to several Army guys when i was there and its pure hell there trying to see everyone and just moving around is no joke.
I remember that as a small kid I used to go to my Grandparents farm in upstate NY during the summers for vacations sometimes. During the early 70's there was a manhunt for a guy who they thought had killed more than a dozen men and young women. His name was Robert Garrow. At the time, he was the subject of the largest manhunt in NYS and US history. (In 1978 he escaped from Prison and was once again subject to an even larger manhunt)
The New York State Police had brought in hundreds of troopers, many from as far away as the eastern tip of Long Island, several helicopters, light planes, bloodhounds and platoons of local law enforcement. They called in the National Guard, hundreds of State Police and County Sheriffs, En Con Officers were deputized as well as hundreds of locals. A command post was set up near the base of Mt. Pleasant, not far from the village of Wells and huge searchlights were activated at the edge of the forest for miles. Roadblocks were EVERYWHERE. The 10th Mountain Division from Fort Drum ran ‘search exercises’ in the western part of the park.
This guy had vanished into the Adirondack Park (The ADK Park is over 6 million acres – 3x the size of Yellowstone, and larger than 5 NE states), knew basic wood/mountain craft and just stayed out there. Even the most experienced outdoorsmen can easily become lost within the Park. For someone running from the police, the Adirondack wilderness can be a great place to hide. People in five counties were searching for Garrow.
I remember this was nationally televised news, even down South we knew about the manhunt, and my parents were concerned with letting us go to my Grandparents that year.
A friend of my Grandfathers was one of the DA’s from Warren County (Five counties lent personnel and legal staffs to the prosecution of Garrow – pro bono – the Legal and Police bills still bankrupted Hamilton County just for prosecuting this one case which cost more than the entire county budget for several years), and he told us some stories about the manhunt.
This guy was within hundreds of yards of the police constantly – but they could not catch him. At one point he made a lean-to shelter against the back of the State Police command post, and slept there listening to their conversations. In the morning, he took a shower at the temporary facilities with the volunteers and deputies – then ate breakfast in their mess tent before vanishing back into the wilderness! On another occasion he buried himself in a shallow depression, covered himself with leaves, and the in line of the manhunt searchers walked right over him – within inches!
Whenever I have heard of ‘manhunts’ since then I remember how difficult it was for them to find just this one single guy in a relatively civilized part of upstate NY when every single person for hundreds of miles was on the lookout for him.
I can only imagine what it is like over there; but I don’t see that happy or quick resolution that Bush and Co. are looking for. I think these guyscan stay out there for YEARS to come.
Look at what difficulty the Russians had with the N Alliance in that same area.
No, this is not going to be resolved soon, if at all.
R
The New York State Police had brought in hundreds of troopers, many from as far away as the eastern tip of Long Island, several helicopters, light planes, bloodhounds and platoons of local law enforcement. They called in the National Guard, hundreds of State Police and County Sheriffs, En Con Officers were deputized as well as hundreds of locals. A command post was set up near the base of Mt. Pleasant, not far from the village of Wells and huge searchlights were activated at the edge of the forest for miles. Roadblocks were EVERYWHERE. The 10th Mountain Division from Fort Drum ran ‘search exercises’ in the western part of the park.
This guy had vanished into the Adirondack Park (The ADK Park is over 6 million acres – 3x the size of Yellowstone, and larger than 5 NE states), knew basic wood/mountain craft and just stayed out there. Even the most experienced outdoorsmen can easily become lost within the Park. For someone running from the police, the Adirondack wilderness can be a great place to hide. People in five counties were searching for Garrow.
I remember this was nationally televised news, even down South we knew about the manhunt, and my parents were concerned with letting us go to my Grandparents that year.
A friend of my Grandfathers was one of the DA’s from Warren County (Five counties lent personnel and legal staffs to the prosecution of Garrow – pro bono – the Legal and Police bills still bankrupted Hamilton County just for prosecuting this one case which cost more than the entire county budget for several years), and he told us some stories about the manhunt.
This guy was within hundreds of yards of the police constantly – but they could not catch him. At one point he made a lean-to shelter against the back of the State Police command post, and slept there listening to their conversations. In the morning, he took a shower at the temporary facilities with the volunteers and deputies – then ate breakfast in their mess tent before vanishing back into the wilderness! On another occasion he buried himself in a shallow depression, covered himself with leaves, and the in line of the manhunt searchers walked right over him – within inches!
Whenever I have heard of ‘manhunts’ since then I remember how difficult it was for them to find just this one single guy in a relatively civilized part of upstate NY when every single person for hundreds of miles was on the lookout for him.
I can only imagine what it is like over there; but I don’t see that happy or quick resolution that Bush and Co. are looking for. I think these guyscan stay out there for YEARS to come.
Look at what difficulty the Russians had with the N Alliance in that same area.
No, this is not going to be resolved soon, if at all.
R
Just as importantly, as I keep reminding everyone to what seems to be no avail, even if we catch bin Laden & Friend it will only serve as temprary propaganda points for the Bush Administration.
Fighting dispersed and determined foes who are entrenched not only in the hinterlands of south asia but all over the world, inevitably means you kill or catch the least capable ones first. Those who replace them are even more intelligent.
Fighting dispersed and determined foes who are entrenched not only in the hinterlands of south asia but all over the world, inevitably means you kill or catch the least capable ones first. Those who replace them are even more intelligent.
At Least 48 Are Killed in Suicide Bombings in Iraq
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: July 10, 2005
Filed at 4:12 p.m. ET
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- A man strapped with explosives blew himself up Sunday at a military recruiting center, one of series of suicide attacks that killed at least 48 people. Five U.S. troops were wounded in a bombing as the prime minister complained Americans were too quick to fire on civilians deemed suspicious....
Sunday's deadliest attack hit the army recruiting center at Muthana airfield in central Baghdad when a man dressed in civilian clothes detonated two explosive-laden belts among a crowd of recruits, killing 25 others and wounding nearly 50, U.S. and hospital officials said. Most of the dead were believed to have been recruits.
Al-Qaida in Iraq claimed responsibility in a Web posting but the authenticity could not be verified. In February, a suicide bomber blew himself up outside the same garrison, killing 21 people.
Elsewhere, a Shiite mother and seven of her children were found shot dead in their beds Sunday in Baghdad. One boy survived, police said. The distraught father, who was not at home at the time, blamed the killings on sectarian hatred.
Two suicide car bombers also killed at least seven Iraqi customs officials at the Walid border crossing into Syria, the U.S. military said. Syrian authorities closed the crossing point, turning back about 300 Iraqis trying to return home, a Syrian source said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of relations between the two neighboring countries.
A suicide car bomber also rammed into a police convoy carrying an Iraqi brigadier general near the northern city of Mosul, killing five policemen and wounding three, the U.S. military and police said. The senior officer was not injured.
A suicide car bomb in Kirkuk killed at least four civilians and wounding 15, according to police. A second car bomb was rigged to explode as rescuers rushed to the scene, but it was found and detonated by American troops, police reported.
Two other suicide car bombers struck near Fallujah, killing an Iraqi civilian and wounding a Marine, the U.S. Marines said.
Five American soldiers were injured by a roadside bomb in southeastern Baghdad, the U.S. command said. They were in stable condition at a military hospital.
Separately, Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari criticized U.S. and multinational forces for shooting at Iraqi civilians who act suspiciously near patrols or military areas, saying such cases should be handled in a ''civilized'' way, such as shooting at tires instead of passengers.
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In other news...
Halliburton's Iraq Job
By REUTERS
Published: July 7, 2005
WASHINGTON, July 6 (Reuters) - The United States military has signed a work order with Halliburton to do nearly $5 billion in new work in Iraq under a giant logistics contract that has so far earned the company $9.1 billion, the Army said Wednesday.
Linda Theis, a spokeswoman for the United States Army Field Support Command in Rock Island, Ill., said the military signed the work order with Kellogg Brown and Root, a unit of Halliburton, in May.
The new deal, worth $4.97 billion over the next year, was not made public when it was signed because the Army did not consider that such an announcement was necessary, she said.
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Gee, another $5 Billion for KBR in the one single area where they were not already making a 200% return on investment.
I wish my company could declare a 200% return on investment.
And the war goes on...
R
[ July 10, 2005, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: ITJock ]
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: July 10, 2005
Filed at 4:12 p.m. ET
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- A man strapped with explosives blew himself up Sunday at a military recruiting center, one of series of suicide attacks that killed at least 48 people. Five U.S. troops were wounded in a bombing as the prime minister complained Americans were too quick to fire on civilians deemed suspicious....
Sunday's deadliest attack hit the army recruiting center at Muthana airfield in central Baghdad when a man dressed in civilian clothes detonated two explosive-laden belts among a crowd of recruits, killing 25 others and wounding nearly 50, U.S. and hospital officials said. Most of the dead were believed to have been recruits.
Al-Qaida in Iraq claimed responsibility in a Web posting but the authenticity could not be verified. In February, a suicide bomber blew himself up outside the same garrison, killing 21 people.
Elsewhere, a Shiite mother and seven of her children were found shot dead in their beds Sunday in Baghdad. One boy survived, police said. The distraught father, who was not at home at the time, blamed the killings on sectarian hatred.
Two suicide car bombers also killed at least seven Iraqi customs officials at the Walid border crossing into Syria, the U.S. military said. Syrian authorities closed the crossing point, turning back about 300 Iraqis trying to return home, a Syrian source said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of relations between the two neighboring countries.
A suicide car bomber also rammed into a police convoy carrying an Iraqi brigadier general near the northern city of Mosul, killing five policemen and wounding three, the U.S. military and police said. The senior officer was not injured.
A suicide car bomb in Kirkuk killed at least four civilians and wounding 15, according to police. A second car bomb was rigged to explode as rescuers rushed to the scene, but it was found and detonated by American troops, police reported.
Two other suicide car bombers struck near Fallujah, killing an Iraqi civilian and wounding a Marine, the U.S. Marines said.
Five American soldiers were injured by a roadside bomb in southeastern Baghdad, the U.S. command said. They were in stable condition at a military hospital.
Separately, Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari criticized U.S. and multinational forces for shooting at Iraqi civilians who act suspiciously near patrols or military areas, saying such cases should be handled in a ''civilized'' way, such as shooting at tires instead of passengers.
Full Story
In other news...
Halliburton's Iraq Job
By REUTERS
Published: July 7, 2005
WASHINGTON, July 6 (Reuters) - The United States military has signed a work order with Halliburton to do nearly $5 billion in new work in Iraq under a giant logistics contract that has so far earned the company $9.1 billion, the Army said Wednesday.
Linda Theis, a spokeswoman for the United States Army Field Support Command in Rock Island, Ill., said the military signed the work order with Kellogg Brown and Root, a unit of Halliburton, in May.
The new deal, worth $4.97 billion over the next year, was not made public when it was signed because the Army did not consider that such an announcement was necessary, she said.
Full Story
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Gee, another $5 Billion for KBR in the one single area where they were not already making a 200% return on investment.
I wish my company could declare a 200% return on investment.
And the war goes on...
R
[ July 10, 2005, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: ITJock ]
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ITJock:
Halliburton's Iraq Job
By REUTERS
Published: July 7, 2005
WASHINGTON, July 6 (Reuters) - The United States military has signed a work order with Halliburton to do nearly $5 billion in new work in Iraq under a giant logistics contract that has so far earned the company $9.1 billion, the Army said Wednesday.
Linda Theis, a spokeswoman for the United States Army Field Support Command in Rock Island, Ill., said the military signed the work order with Kellogg Brown and Root, a unit of Halliburton, in May.
The new deal, worth $4.97 billion over the next year, was not made public when it was signed because the Army did not consider that such an announcement was necessary, she said.
Full Story
Maybe you should donate huge amounts of money to the GOP and make a few speaches in favor of the war, and you too could gain some large contracts for which you could over charge the American public. And if you're really lucky you might even get a contract with out public tender or official announcement.
Halliburton's Iraq Job
By REUTERS
Published: July 7, 2005
WASHINGTON, July 6 (Reuters) - The United States military has signed a work order with Halliburton to do nearly $5 billion in new work in Iraq under a giant logistics contract that has so far earned the company $9.1 billion, the Army said Wednesday.
Linda Theis, a spokeswoman for the United States Army Field Support Command in Rock Island, Ill., said the military signed the work order with Kellogg Brown and Root, a unit of Halliburton, in May.
The new deal, worth $4.97 billion over the next year, was not made public when it was signed because the Army did not consider that such an announcement was necessary, she said.
Full Story
This war is not about oil!!!
It is about liberating the freedom and peaceloving people of Iraq, and spreading the core value of democracy throughout the region!!!
(Note Sarcasm)
It is about liberating the freedom and peaceloving people of Iraq, and spreading the core value of democracy throughout the region!!!
(Note Sarcasm)
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