jqueer
Jul 21 2004, 10:46 PM
Appearing at a Bush campaign stop (not a closed fund raiser) Dennis Miller
made a rude comment about Kerry/Edwards. Why aren't his sponsorships being pulled?
It's a long article, here's the relevant portion:
QUOTE
Applying Republican ribaldry to disparage the Democratic ticket of Sens. John Kerry and John Edwards, Miller said, \"Those two cannot keep their hands off each other, can they? I think I have an idea for a new campaign slogan... 'Hey, Get a Room.'\"
MIB
Jul 21 2004, 11:23 PM
As a noted poster here would say, "It's not the same thing."
jqueer
Jul 21 2004, 11:30 PM
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MIB:
As a noted poster here would say, \"It's not the same thing.\"
And as you have repeatedly insisted, it is. So your, defense is the one you won't tolerate from others?
Say it with me boys and girls.....
Oh the hypocrisy
Joe in Philly
Jul 22 2004, 08:04 AM
QUOTE
MIB:
As a noted poster here would say, \"It's not the same thing.\"
It must have been very painful for you to type out those words.
Tim H.
Jul 22 2004, 08:55 AM
Dennis Miller has sponsorships???
jqueer
Jul 22 2004, 12:17 PM
QUOTE
Tim H.:
Dennis Miller has sponsorships???
I know he's been doing ads for some wireless company. The fact that I can't remember which one is an indication of how bad the ads are.
Joe in Philly
Jul 22 2004, 03:55 PM
Miller has some radio ads for DirecTV. Speaking of Mr. Miller...
Lisa (reading Comic Book Guy's T-shirt): "'C:/DOS. C:/DOS/RUN. RUN/DOS/RUN.' (laughs) Oh, only one person in a million would find that funny."
Prof. Frink: "Yes, we call that the Dennis Miller ratio."
[ July 22, 2004, 03:56 PM: Message edited by: Joe in Philly ]
PhillyFan
Jul 22 2004, 04:04 PM
What are you people babbling about?
The difference between commies and conservatives, we do something about what we dont like.. not just complain about it.
Why dont ya'all go after him?
On a side note, inst his show somewhat political? I know i've seen him on TV speaking politics. It's not like this is something out of the blue...
Altho, what was really offensive about what he said? Telling them to get a room? SHOCKING! Considering i heard about 3-4 news outlets pointing out how touchy they were.. saw pictures on drudge.. saw it on my own newspaper..
Personally i feel that if lurch and lawsuit boy wanna give each other sloppy wet tongue kisses.. they should it in private.
What they should show on TV is how Lurch wants to get on his knees and lick the back side of all the smelly trashy euros.
hockeyTom
Jul 22 2004, 05:19 PM
Dennis Miller has all the charm and charisma of a statue.
Denver Fan
Jul 22 2004, 06:07 PM
And now even the HRC is bowing to the conservative's pressure.
Margaret Cho disinvited at HRC Function The Conservative bastards even have our own allies jumping through hoops. Margaret Cho is a huge supporter of GLBT causes, but she gets the boot because of the recent trend to sillence/punish artists who speak thier mind.
Add Cho to the list of the "Dixie-Chicked" stars.
[ July 22, 2004, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: Denver Fan ]
danimal
Jul 22 2004, 06:47 PM
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PhillyFan:
The difference between commies and conservatives, we do something about what we dont like.. not just complain about it.
So that's why the Russkies didn't invade Afghanistan ... they were too busy whining over vodka. And why Charlie let us turn Saigon into San Juan, with a Hilton and everything. And why Beijing let a thousand flowers of democracy bloom.
Oh, my mistake. I keep thinking that when you say "commies" you mean actual Communists. Must be my boomer memory (I remember the '60s, so I must not've been there.)
[ July 22, 2004, 06:47 PM: Message edited by: danimal ]
gobar
Jul 22 2004, 06:47 PM
"And now even the HRC is bowing to the conservative's pressure"
No no no, this simply will not do. I give regularly to the HRC and cannot support this. This is how it starts...I'll be phoning them tomorrow.
[ July 22, 2004, 06:49 PM: Message edited by: gobar ]
PhillyFan
Jul 22 2004, 07:32 PM
QUOTE
danimal:
QUOTE
PhillyFan:
The difference between commies and conservatives, we do something about what we dont like.. not just complain about it.
So that's why the Russkies didn't invade Afghanistan ... they were too busy whining over vodka. And why Charlie let us turn Saigon into San Juan, with a Hilton and everything. And why Beijing let a thousand flowers of democracy bloom.
Oh, my mistake. I keep thinking that when you say \"commies\" you mean actual Communists. Must be my boomer memory (I remember the '60s, so I must not've been there.)
And that is why all the people in china live in poverty, why N Korea has made literal slave labor out of it's citizens. USSR colapsed under economic pressure. The USSR lost the war in Afgan. They run over kids with tanks in China... OH, shall i go on? GOOD JOB THINKING MAN!
PhillyFan
Jul 22 2004, 07:40 PM
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gobar:
\"And now even the HRC is bowing to the conservative's pressure\"
No no no, this simply will not do. I give regularly to the HRC and cannot support this. This is how it starts...I'll be phoning them tomorrow.
Are some of you people for real?
Do you honestly think this way?
This is a BRILLIANT move by Kerry. Why would he want some comedian (who already said she would not be nice) to go on stage? How does appeal to a common voter?
Better yet, how does chow chow, who most people never heard of, support him in a good way?
Just because YOU folks, a minority of dem voters, like her... she should go on? How does she, saying 15,000 F bombs, help Kerry?
Then again, how is the conservative driven? Isnt Kerry squashing your home girl?
Wake up, everything is not conservative driven. Just because paying audiences dont want to her some pinhead's views... is not conservative driven.
Now be good little faggots and shut up.. perhaps Kerry will support "something less" than marriage for you.... We all know he doesnt think you are good enough for marriage.
gobar
Jul 22 2004, 07:49 PM
PF its called freedom of speech, giving everyone a voice...something you and your kind know, or care, nothing about. Why cotow to you boneheads? If we don't stand up for our rights who will?
danimal
Jul 22 2004, 07:57 PM
QUOTE
PhillyFan:
And that is why all the people in china live in poverty, why N Korea has made literal slave labor out of it's citizens. USSR colapsed under economic pressure. The USSR lost the war in Afgan. They run over kids with tanks in China... OH, shall i go on? GOOD JOB THINKING MAN!
I didn't say they were successful, Poopsie. Or admirable for that matter. Of course they suck. That's why I don't live there. Hello! My point was that they weren't passive. You said they "do nothing" ... on the contrary, they've done a lot of really bad s**t.
Or to put it in (do I dare dream?) simple enough terms for you: GOOD JOB READING MAN!
You know, maybe requiring English proficiency as a condition of U.S. residency isn't such a bad idea after all ... if it's also applied to people who were born here.
MarcusF
Jul 22 2004, 08:02 PM
QUOTE
danimal:
You know, maybe requiring English proficiency as a condition of U.S. residency isn't such a bad idea after all ... if it's also applied to people who were born here.
Where are literacy tests when you need them?
PennState4Ever
Jul 22 2004, 08:24 PM
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gobar:
PF its called freedom of speech ...
I'm just curious as to how the cancellation of Cho's appearance at an HR(DN)C fundraiser implicates, let alone intrudes upon, her freedom of speech.
PhillyFan
Jul 22 2004, 08:35 PM
QUOTE
gobar:
PF its called freedom of speech, giving everyone a voice...something you and your kind know, or care, nothing about. Why cotow to you boneheads? If we don't stand up for our rights who will?
How exactly do conservatives get chow chow uninvited to a DNC sponsored event?
gobar
Jul 22 2004, 08:41 PM
That is not what I mean. My reference is to giving into the pressure from conservatives in effect silencing voices of dissent. I know that no conservative group formally demanded she be dropped but now even supposedly supportive factions are censoring themselves. Margarette Cho has always been a champion of gay rights- she is a true friend and it just upsets me that a gay group would give in to such perceived demands. I was saying I don't think I could support a group who would bend so easily. It is not against the law to rail against the current administration and for god sake she's a comedienne!!! It is looking more and more like left leaning comediennes can't work anymore due to the current atmosphere. This is ridiculous. How does Margarette Cho doing her act at a gay event reflect on Kerry? Next thing they'll be telling us not to hold our boyfriends hands while wearing Kerry tee shirts or it will look bad for him. Enough, we have to stand up to the menace of screaming shrill fundamentalists!!!
[ July 22, 2004, 08:42 PM: Message edited by: gobar ]
MIB
Jul 22 2004, 11:34 PM
QUOTE
gobar:
PF its called freedom of speech, giving everyone a voice...something you and your kind know, or care, nothing about. Why cotow to you boneheads? If we don't stand up for our rights who will?
Freedom of Speech applies to the
government squelching one's right to express him/herself. Furthermore, this comedienne may have the right to speak her views, but that doesn't mean others should be forced to
listen to these views. There is no right to be provided a venue, either.
PhillyFan
Jul 23 2004, 01:44 AM
Let me see if i follow your socialist "logic"
Dixi Chics- W bad
Vegas Ho- W bad
chow chow- W bad
Rush being booted- Good racist
Actually, if you want to try a little common sense... I see a trend..
No one tunes into football to listen to rush talk politics.
No one pays 50 bucks to hear some singer babble on about politics (when most of them are uneducated anyway).
Whats the big deal?
I still want to know how those nasty repubs have control over the events of the dem convention. That one REALLY blows my mind. Does W have mind control over lurch now? They have to clear the schedule through the RNC?
gobar
Jul 23 2004, 10:21 AM
Ah PF I can't argue with logic like that...I suppose you guys are right. MC is small potatoes, at least we are winning the important ones (FMA defeat, the new bill most definitely unconstitutional, Lynne Cheney getting a backbone). Pick our battles. I will give again to the HRC. Thanks for setting me straight, so to speak.
Pierre
Jul 23 2004, 10:51 AM
How the hell did this topic get hijacked into a discussion about communism/socialism? Gimme a break. Those are great topics. Stick 'em in another thread.
I just read the linked article. I thought the response from Margaret's (not Chow Chow, PF; behave) camp was dead on:
"I am not surprised at the reversal in light of how the Kerry campaign distanced itself from Whoopi's routine in response to the unrelenting media hype and Republican criticism. It's Whoopi's job as a comedian to say things that are sometimes shocking. I wish they could have backed her up. Dennis Miller can make gay jokes about Kerry and Edwards at a recent Bush rally in Wisconsin to a complete absence of media scrutiny. No one demanded a tape of that event or alleged that his comments as a comedian might reflect poorly on Bush."
So how come Dennis Miller can be sexually pejorative (regardless of whether I think being called a homo is pejorative, the negativity was intended by the speaker), but when Whoopi or Margaret use sexual references to criticize Bush, the mistakenly labeled "liberal" media are silent for the most part?
Come to think of it, when Arnold calls Democrats "girly-men", how come the Dems are called whiners for pointing out how inappropriate that comment was?
That's definitely a double-standard in favor of conservatives. Basically, it's okay to call people names (look around at this board. who does that the most?) if you're a conservative. Because all you have to say is "I was kidding. Have a sense of humor." But when a liberal does it, it's offensive.
Yah, guys. Nice. Hypocrisy is everywhere.
PhillyFan
Jul 23 2004, 11:54 AM
Hold up there Frenchie...
I'm confused.. The Kerry Camp is dumping chow chow to please the conservative voters who he has NO chance of getting their vote? All the fund raisers in Boston are controlled by the DNC, run by the DNC, money goes to the DNC. If any of you believe that whoopies or chow chows problem are cuase by repubs... then we have no arguement, because you live in a world where the sky is not purple but black. Please enroll in a political science course at the local community college.
Now, I'll go REAL SLOW FOR YOU.. Kerry's camp is dumping chow chow cause he wants the support of the average, normal indep swing voter. He really doesnt care about your vote. He already thinks he has it. Chow chow talking about naughty things may appeal to you, but not the vote he needs. Much like him not supporting marriage, but throws you a little bone and tells you to sit in the back of the bus like good little faggots. You folks just eat that crap up. Oh, Kerry loves me!
Comparing what dennis miller said.. to anything whoopie or chow chow talk about.. they are not even comparable. You folks are grasping at straws.
gobar
Jul 23 2004, 12:20 PM
PF talk about eating crap up. Your guy doesn't even want you in the country let alone on the bus. I'll take my chance with Kerry thank you. And what I'm saying is I am ashamed at the HRC for giving in and not standing ground, but you win some you lose some. And in the most direct way you conservatives are responsible for the atmoshere of prejudice out there right now. I have a feeling it may have more to do with MC being of Asian heritage and Whoopi being African American and Linda being of Mexican descent, not to mention all women, that they are being so maligned. Of course Arnold, Dennis and Rush are all white guys. Homophobic and in at least one case drug addicted over the top hypocrit white guys but white guys nonetheless. I will just have to see Margarette at another time. Long live the brave women of the democratic party!!!!!
PhillyFan
Jul 23 2004, 12:29 PM
OH MY DEAR GOD.....
Did you just try to say it's racism?
Last i saw, rushy LOST his job for his comments. How is that different than the fat mexican? OH, i know why.. you agree with her.
I must say, i'm sort of proud of you.. often you guys label anyone who doesnt agree with you.. racist.. but to somehow turn that into a asian thing... WILD MAN.
The dixi chic was white... but wait, i'm sure some asians or mexicans heard her sing before... ok yeah that is racism.
You guys crack me up... totally... Now DNC fund raisers and conventions are controlled by those nasty repubs. Why would you support a party who takes their marching orders from the people you hate? Why would you support kerry who is afraid to support chow chow talking about pee-pee's?
gobar
Jul 23 2004, 12:38 PM
Ha ha ha PF, took the bait like a champ. I love to watch your heads spin around. It was great fun during the beginning of the Mass. weddings to watch FOX guys heads nearly explode. Love to bait you cuz its always a sure catch. I feel all icky though crawling around in the mud with you PF.
That said...the Dixie Chicks are chicks. So you tell me...?
ursaminorjim
Jul 23 2004, 12:47 PM
Well, maybe Margaret Cho got axed because she sucks?
PhillyFan
Jul 23 2004, 12:55 PM
Actually, what they all have in common is this.. they are all sorta chubby skanky ho's....
If i want buffet advice.. i'll ask the Tucson hag.
If i want to know which gravy goes best with the pork chops.. i'll ask the dixi chic.
If i want to do my hair all nasty and unwashed, i'll ask whoopie. Oops, if i wanted to know how to create a boring unfunny sitcom, i'd also ask her...
I sorta like chow chow... and she sorta has a perky chest... so i'd just put a bag over her head and tape her mouth shut.
What these little hookers need to do is take some lessons from a certain hot lil momma in DC... GO GATORS!
ursaminorjim
Jul 23 2004, 01:00 PM
Jesus, PhillyFan. Your folks sure raised you right.
Oh, and Margaret Cho is absurdly skinny these days, so get your insults in line.
HotlantaTarheel
Jul 23 2004, 01:00 PM
Personally, I think Margaret Cho is hilarious.
Furthermore, anyone who refers to others as "ho", "fat", "skank", or uses any other childish personal attacks immediately loses any validation of their argument with me. If you have valid points, please make them in a constructive, adult-like manner and leave the name calling on the playgrounds.
gobar
Jul 23 2004, 01:04 PM
Aw Jim, to each his own I guess. I think Cho is brilliant. She ain't afraid of nothing. I love her line in "I'm the one that I want" after she sleeps with the woman on the cruise..She is asking herself if she's gay and decides no she's just a slut! Then she asks for her parade. I fall down laughing everytime I hear it. LOVE her!!!! You gotta admit that is funny...
ursaminorjim
Jul 23 2004, 01:11 PM
She's just way too one note for me, and has an awfully high opinion of herself. Sure, she's made me burst into laughter (exactly once per concert film), but to call herself the new Lenny Bruce? Pushing it.
This review from
The Onion pretty much hits the nail on the head for me:
How to write a Margaret Cho joke: 1) Pick a really smutty topic, such as fisting or colonics. 2) Divide Roseanne by Janeane Garofalo, subtract Richard Pryor. 3) Acknowledge loyal gay cult following. 4) Repeat punchline three or more times. 5) Hold contorted facial expression for 10 seconds. 6) Wait for applause.That said, she's certainly admirably vocal about her opinions, and has done a lot of good work for "the community." I'm just...not a fan.
DC_guy
Jul 23 2004, 01:16 PM
but those one or two or three bursts of laughter are enough for me. In Revolution, I about died two times:
1) The Kim Jung Il impression witht he smiling
2) "The is not...the salad of my people"
That was enough to keep me coming back for more. She doesn't really represent me or anything about what I'm like, but I appreciate the effort.
eftergivende
Jul 23 2004, 01:16 PM
I remember a saying I learned as a kid: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." So go ahead, Philly Fan use all the epithets you want to. I'm fine. Some day you might grow up and join me.
Lksimcoe
Jul 23 2004, 01:43 PM
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PhillyFan:
I sorta like chow chow... and she sorta has a perky chest... so i'd just put a bag over her head and tape her mouth shut.
I think I've finally figured Phillycheese out.
He's actually a 35 yr old pathetic man, who is constantly telling himself he's straight, but spends way too much time on gay bulletin boards arguing and jerking off when he thinks about all the gay guys on the board gang banging him.
Except if he actually left his basement and took a freakin bath, he might get somewhere.
VERY VERY few gay men make me ill.
PF, for the first time in many years, I have added a person to the list
YOU.
/add to ignore
PhillyFan
Jul 23 2004, 01:50 PM
Let's see, whoopie makes comments about "Bush" and the W... that's ok.. she's is just trying to make a point and she deserves to be heard.
PF calls a skank a skank and it's no more than name calling and childish behavior....
Hmmmmmmmm, MIB can i get one of your trademark comments please?
gobar
Jul 23 2004, 02:02 PM
You won't hear that from me PF. I would never try to silence you, disuade you from your continued adolescence perhaps. But in the meantime, please go on till your heart's content. You are a good "window" into how the other side thinks. I suppose very Rove-like.
danimal
Jul 23 2004, 02:03 PM
QUOTE
PhillyFan:
Let me see if i follow your socialist \"logic\"
Dixi Chics- W bad
Vegas Ho- W bad
chow chow- W bad
Rush being booted- Good racist
Well follow this (I'll go REAL SLOW FOR YOU):
- All of the above - overrated pseudo-celebs who'd bore me to tears if they were worth crying about, which none of them are, so I yawn instead

- You - too lazy to get off the flabby body part where your brains are and use a frickin' dictionary

- Me - working for a living (you should try it, really, even if it means leaving Mom's basement) full time (and paying taxes -- maybe you should try that too) since before Uncle Ronnie's inauguration

gobar
Jul 23 2004, 02:06 PM
Lksimcoe, I appreciate the sentiment but I have to take issue with this...
"jerking off when he thinks about all the gay guys on the board gang banging him."
Now lets not be prudish.
stinger85
Jul 23 2004, 02:27 PM
I don't see how PF's comments and name calling are any different than the comments and name calling that occur against Bush, Condoleeza, Cheney, and the Bush Twins.
skank/ho/chic all seem kind of timid compared to some of the insults hurled at Bush & Co.
TonkaManOR
Jul 23 2004, 02:31 PM
QUOTE
gobar:
Lksimcoe, I appreciate the sentiment but I have to take issue with this...
\"jerking off when he thinks about all the gay guys on the board gang banging him.\"
Now lets not be prudish.
hmm, isn't that just a waste of sex?
canmark
Jul 23 2004, 03:12 PM
I'm shocked at this Margaret Cho news. For the record, she was not disinvited to speak at the Democratic National Convention, she was disinvited to speak at a
gay community event.
It's ironic that this event is called "Unity '04," because it is proving to be just the opposite. One of the sponsors of the event,
The National Gay & Lesbian Task Force has withdrawn from the event in support of Margaret Cho.
"We are dismayed that Margaret Cho has been disinvited to perform at the LGBT Unity 2004 event scheduled for Monday, July 26 in Boston. The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force had been a co-sponsor of this event.
Throughout her career, Ms. Cho has been a staunch supporter of equal rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT)Americans, has contributed her time and talent to dozens of LGBT fundraising events, and is much loved by our community. We were proud to recently give her a Task Force Leadership Award. Ms. Cho has said, 'I'm more than bi(sexual).' She is, indeed, one of us."
I think this sends a very chilling message to the community. Are we to censor ourselves because our own gay behavior, and our own gay words, could be used against us by the Republicans? Because that's what the HRC seems to be saying. According to the Advocate article, they actually had the nerve to say, "We didn't want to censor Margaret," which is why they disinvited her. They worried about "a potential "media firestorm." But isn't that the point of activism? If anything, isn't this a time when we should be Acting Up
more ?! If we give up and give in... doesn't that mean that they've won? :confused:
Margaret Cho, who I've seen live, read her book, own 2 of her concert DVDs and CDs, is actually going on a special
State of Emergency Tour in the "swing states" to help drum up support--through comedy and activism--to oppose the forces that are keeping us down. This woman is working hard for the Cause, and we're letting her down.
How such a person could be disinvited from such event speaks of such utter... capitulation. How can the HRC say that they are "Working for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender equal rights?!" This is just so disappointing. frown
MarcusF
Jul 23 2004, 03:23 PM
But it's so typical of the hooey coming from the HRC.
gobar
Jul 23 2004, 03:44 PM
Thank you Canmark for putting it so eloquently. I just sent off a scathing e-mail to them.
MarcusF, do tell what hooey? I sent the HRC money off in the past thinking it was being well spent but I'd like to hear some examples of their opperations. For now I am going to hold off on giving to them again.
[ July 23, 2004, 03:45 PM: Message edited by: gobar ]
PhillyFan
Jul 23 2004, 04:31 PM
So you give money to an organization... without fully knowing what they do? How much thier overhead cost are?
WILD MAN...
gobar
Jul 23 2004, 05:16 PM
Well PF that's overstating it a bit. I know what they do, maybe not the minutae but they did fight the court battles to bring gay marriage to Mass. That is plenty for me. I would imagine their overhead is enormous.
Pierre
Jul 23 2004, 05:51 PM
QUOTE
PhillyFan:
Hold up there Frenchie...
I'm confused.. The Kerry Camp is dumping chow chow to please the conservative voters who he has NO chance of getting their vote? All the fund raisers in Boston are controlled by the DNC, run by the DNC, money goes to the DNC. If any of you believe that whoopies or chow chows problem are cuase by repubs... then we have no arguement, because you live in a world where the sky is not purple but black. Please enroll in a political science course at the local community college.
Now, I'll go REAL SLOW FOR YOU.. Kerry's camp is dumping chow chow cause he wants the support of the average, normal indep swing voter. He really doesnt care about your vote. He already thinks he has it. Chow chow talking about naughty things may appeal to you, but not the vote he needs. Much like him not supporting marriage, but throws you a little bone and tells you to sit in the back of the bus like good little faggots. You folks just eat that crap up. Oh, Kerry loves me!
Where in my post did I accuse the Repubs of dumping Margaret? Let me go REALLY (notice the use of REALLY, an adverb, instead of REAL, an adjective, since it's used to modify an adjective, PF. Maybe you should take a grammar course at your CC.) SLOWLY FOR YOU: It's hypocritical for conservatives on this board to admonish Whoopi and Margaret for being vulgar yet remain silent about Dennis Miller or claim that Dennis Miller's actions are qualitatively different.
QUOTE
PhillyFan:
Comparing what dennis miller said.. to anything whoopie or chow chow talk about.. they are not even comparable. You folks are grasping at straws.
Wow, that's a great retort. Maybe you'd care to elaborate on the salient differences? Dennis Miller, Margaret Cho, and Whoopi Goldberg are all entertainers/comedians who are using sexual innuendo to criticize those who are up for President in the next election. They were all doing it or planning to do it in the context of a political fundraiser for their party of choice. I'd say the comparisons are valid.
QUOTE
PhillyFan:
Hold up there Frenchie...
I'm not French, but at least thinking that was an understandable mistake.
Have a good weekend, all.
[ July 23, 2004, 06:11 PM: Message edited by: Pierre ]
MarcusF
Jul 23 2004, 06:09 PM
QUOTE
gobar:
MarcusF, do tell what hooey? I sent the HRC money off in the past thinking it was being well spent but I'd like to hear some examples of their opperations. For now I am going to hold off on giving to them again.
Gobar, I'm not familiar with what operations the HRC have going in Philadelphia, but their sole appearances here in NC have been to shake down the so-called "A-gays" at self-congratulatory dinners to the tune of $250 per person. To me, that does not speak to representing the average gay man or lesbian in this country. It's strictly an effort to buy influence.
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