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swiminbuff
The US Navy has recalled a sailor to active duty, and he is currently on duty in Kuwait. The catch is that they discharged him in 2005 because he is gay and re-couped his $13,000 signing bonus. Does this mean that "Don't ask, don't tell" has quietly been abolished?

The Advocate
SCTrojan
Well that article swininbuff is certainly encouraging. Hopefully, we'll see lots more stories like this. We need to see the Army & Marines follow suit. Time will tell. rolleyes.gif
swiminbuff
QUOTE(SCTrojan @ May 12 2007, 08:36 AM) *

Well that article swininbuff is certainly encouraging. Hopefully, we'll see lots more stories like this. We need to see the Army & Marines follow suit. Time will tell. rolleyes.gif

Sorry SCT, the Navy have now said it was all a mistake and fired the guy for a second time. Probably it was because of the publicity. There is a story on Towleroad about the second firing.
SCTrojan
Talk about dashing our hopes quickly! sad.gif

Let's just say I'm not surprised. dry.gif
CPT_Doom
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Sorry SCT, the Navy have now said it was all a mistake and fired the guy for a second time. Probably it was because of the publicity. There is a story on Towleroad about the second firing.


When I heard about this, I was outraged - not only because it is clear this sailor was more than able to work as an out gay man (which may have sped up his second discharge), but because apparently the military is NOT going after Matt Sanchez, the Marine darling of the neoconservatives (for his alleged stand against anti-military protesters who may or may not have existed), who was revealed to be a former gay porn star. The military's regulations do not allow for "ex-gays," and IIRC require DADT separation for anyone who has ever had gay sex, at any time after their 18th birthdays. Certainly if having an out gay sailor is a distraction and threat to good order and discipline, having a gay porn star, even if now contrite, has to be even more of a problem. We should demand Sanchez' ouster right now - if the military does not comply, they could face court challenges.
fenwayguy
The British experience:
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Since it began allowing gays to serve in the armed forces in 2000, none of the British military's fears - about harassment, discord, blackmail, bullying or an erosion of unit cohesion or military effectiveness - has come to pass, according to the Ministry of Defense, current and former members of the services, and academics specializing in the military. The biggest news about the policy, they say, is that there is no news. It has for the most part become a nonissue.

The military does not want to be seen bragging about the success of its policy when the issue still can cause so much anguished debate in America... (A Defense Ministry) official said. "We have had communications from our counterparts in the United States, and they have asked us questions about how we've handled it and how it's gone on the ground. There does seem to be some debate going on over how long the current policy will be sustainable."

The military actively recruits gays and punishes any instance of intolerance or bullying. The navy advertises for recruits in gay magazines and has allowed gay sailors to hold civil partnership ceremonies on board ships and, last summer, to march in full naval uniform at a gay pride rally in London.

- Despite misgivings, gays blend in to British military, International Herald Tribune, 5/16/07
buccoman
On NPR's "Morning Edition" today, former (Republican) Georgia Congressman Bob Barr said "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" should be abolished. He said that gays should be allowed to serve openly in the services. This is interesting because I always thought of Barr as a social conservative (and frankly a real hater; he authored the Defense of Marriage Act while he was in Congress). He also says that he has resigned from the Republican Party and has joined the Libertarian Party.....
fenwayguy
SLDN is all excited about DoD's recent statement (pdf) reminding those whose military careers have been terminated under DADT that they can "continue to serve their nation... by way of civilian employment with other Federal agencies, the Department of Defense, or in the private sector.”

My reaction: a) No shit, Sherlock, and b) Kiss My Homosexual Ass!

But then I've never been a victim of DADT 'cause they kicked me out for "homosexual tendencies" (tendencies?) before I ever got in. (This was a LONG time ago...)

Where's the AZ Air Force guy, what does he think of DoD's invitation?
ITJock
dry.gif I wonder if that means they restore security clearances to everyone.

Personally I wouldn't bet on it.

I think my reaction is the same as yours - KMA!

R
Maddog
Over 100 Admirals, Generals: Let Gays Serve Openly

This is promising. Notice all 50 states are for a repeal.



BigBlueCowboy
I am very hopeful that the Obama administration will overturn this policy. Obama has more balls than Bill Clinton. I found it a tad ironic before the election when Colin Powell listed his reasons why he was voting for Obama, and one was the distaste he had for senior Republicans who insinuated Obama was Muslim to him. Oh, he was very right to find that abhorrent. He was also the man who downplayed the prejudice experienced by gays and lesbians, comparisons to desegregation in the Armed Forces, and the institution of this policy in the early nineties.


hockeyTom
He has said before he is ready and willing to overturn DADT, and in comments I saw in a story online this morning he just does not want his decision to overturn this, to become a "drag" on his administration, but I feel pretty confident he will at some point, overturn the current policy of don't ask don't tell.
sportinlife
Read that over 100 generals and other higher military officials recently came out against DADT - too many skilled soldiers being lost.
SCTrojan
Yeah, I've heard the same sil. Plus, with the economy in the tank right now there's no better opportunity for Obama to argue his case since the crunched numbers show tons of $$$ wasted when glbt military personnel are discharged, especially when their skills are highly/desperately needed...

I can see it now, military leaders standing behind him for support & he makes an impassioned speech about how not only black military personnel had to once also suffer through segregated units, but that it would be financially feasible to keep glbt servicemen/women since stats show nothing but impeccable service by these young men and women.
sportinlife
The 104 retired military brass in this article I think are the ones referred to in the shorter blurb I read earlier in another publication. Most impressively the retired Adm. Charles Larson, the former Naval Academy superintendent, would have been at Annapolis where John McCain matriculated.

Like many military brass he has undergone a conversion since the policy was issued. The tide seems to be flowing in the direction of eliminating DADT.

In this case, better late than never.
sportinlife
This policy goes to the heart of gay rights. We will not likely see gay athletes be able to be honest about their sexuality until DADT ends. The unspoken policy of "don't ask don't tell" is pervasive in sports as mentioned in this 2003 article:
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If a black male or female athlete were gay or lesbian, the world might never know it, according to some observers who see a conspiracy of silence among reporters, athletes, and teammates. The public may not know about the athletes' sexual orientations, but those close to them often do. As with the military, the policy seems to be "don't ask, don't tell."
Then there is the casual discrimination against gays that stretches even to congress as was the case for Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin:
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The Pentagon balked at U.S. Rep. Tammy Baldwin’s domestic partner accompanying her on a military flight for a congressional trip to Europe
The only mitigating circumstance in that disgusting situation was that the current and future Secretary of Defense Robert Gates intervened to ameliorate her spouse's travel after an appeal from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi:
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Prior to the Easter recess, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was forced to intervene with Defense Secretary Robert Gates in order to get Democratic Rep. Tammy Baldwin’s domestic partner on a military flight for a congressional fact-finding trip to Europe
This is a prime example of how decent people have either been persuaded to do indecent things or kept in the dark about them by the Bush administration. This is a matter that should be at the top of Barack Obama's list of things that can be done quickly, regardless of the economic situation. To trade fundamental rights for economic reasons seems like the worse sort of pay-to-play, unlike the Warren speech.
fantomas
QUOTE(sportinlife @ Jan 11 2009, 04:19 AM) *

This policy goes to the heart of gay rights. We will not likely see gay athletes be able to be honest about their sexuality until DADT ends. The unspoken policy of "don't ask don't tell" is pervasive in sports as mentioned in this 2003 article


This has far more to do with societal and Black community thoughts about (homo)sexuality than DADT, Sportinlife. Even if Obama ended DADT tomorrow, which would be an excellent move, that wouldn't dramatically change many (Black) people's attitudes about homosexuality, bisexuality, and so on. What would go much further would be for more prominent Black gay people to come out, to affirm that they were Black and gay/queer/same-gender-loving, to be shown in same-sexual relationships, to show that their families and friends affirmed them, and for Black queer representations to become more commonplace.

Prof. Melissa Harris-Lacewell recently posted a great article on going to see Milk, and she noted that while she thought it was a great film, one of its effects was to again inscribe in our public discourse that gay=white + male + middle class. Not that this was its aim, but she linked it to a number of films and TV shows that have done this again and again. One of the reasons I really like documentaries like Gay Sex in the 1970s is that they show, counter to what we've been bombarded with over the years, how diverse gay/queer culture has always been. But that's also the case with this country and society in general.
sportinlife
QUOTE(fantomas @ Jan 11 2009, 02:32 PM) *
Even if Obama ended DADT tomorrow, which would be an excellent move, that wouldn't dramatically change many (Black) people's attitudes about homosexuality, bisexuality, and so on.
I think I have already noticed a change personally.

When I took my partner home to my parents for Thanksgiving recently. I sensed a very different response to him than the last time, which was over a decade ago.

My three brothers, one of whom is a veteran, were all willing to talk politics with him, and I think both he and they came away impressed with how much they agreed on. None of them are "liberal" on gay issues and would never have gotten a chance to find that out were it not for me.

The more non-effeminate gay men feel empowered to be open about their relationships, the more narrow-minded straight black men will have the opportunity to actually meet one of these strange creatures called "gay men".

I suspect that calming effect could be multiplied throughout our two communities. Mutual respect could be engendered by communication, and ultimately may prevent a lot of closeted black veteran men from ending up in prison or homeless. But mutual respect cannot last long without self-respect. DADT breeds disrespect.
BigBlueCowboy
Just read this article:

Daily Telegraph Article

hockeyTom
The economy, of course, will be first and foremost for Obama to deal with, but his WH Press Secretary says Obama plans on ending this stupid policy possibly as early as Obamas' first year in office...... laugh.gif
SCTrojan
When I was watching the CNN coverage on Sat the panel talked about DADT @ least a couple of times. Btw, Anderson was part of the panel. biggrin.gif ....At any rate, echoing hockeyTom, those on the "know" said that Obama will abolish it, but not right away. They said his focus for the next several months will be, obviously, the economy. So, I'm ok w/ that.
BigBlueCowboy
Well, yes, the economy is the biggest issue. I just wish when he addresses "DADT," that he follows the example of Truman when he abolished segregation in the Services. Issue the order and be done with it. For God's sake though, do not follow Clinton's example of waffling. It is an issue that begs decisive action, not gauging political barometers or polls.
sportinlife
QUOTE(BigBlueCowboy @ Jan 19 2009, 07:46 AM) *

Just read this article:

Daily Telegraph Article
This quote from that story could be even more controversial than the abolition of DADT:
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Russ Feingold, the Democratic Senator for Wisconsin, a strong critic of Mr Bush’s accumulation of executive power, said he had been informed by Mr Obama’s transition staff the records of past presidents might also be made more available.

He said the incoming president would support a bill he is proposing to make public some opinions from the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which issued some of the most controversial extensions of presidential power in the Bush era.


RanchHand
It was hilarious this past weekend (Saturday or Friday night) on CNN to watch Anderson Cooper ask Donna Brazille about what Barack Obama would do, when, about Don't Ask Don't Tell.

He asked her with a straight face and she responded likewise. (I forgot what her response was.) I understand that these two were being "professional" but I felt like I was watching a Twilight Zone episode, given that both people are gay, yet neither ever acknowledged the personal importance of the topic. It was curious given that Donna spent some time talking about how, as a Black person, this was a historic time.

Am I the only person who caught this and the irony of the moment?
BigBlueCowboy
No more ironic than the fact that Pete Williams used to be the spokesman for the DoD! laugh.gif
noumenon
On the White House web site you can read Barack Obama's agenda. I post here the link to the one dealing with Civil Rights. Scroll down on the page to read the agenda re: the LGBT community.

Support for the LGBT Community

"While we have come a long way since the Stonewall riots in 1969, we still have a lot of work to do. Too often, the issue of LGBT rights is exploited by those seeking to divide us. But at its core, this issue is about who we are as Americans. It's about whether this nation is going to live up to its founding promise of equality by treating all its citizens with dignity and respect."

-- Barack Obama, June 1, 2007

* Expand Hate Crimes Statutes: In 2004, crimes against LGBT Americans constituted the third-highest category of hate crime reported and made up more than 15 percent of such crimes. President Obama cosponsored legislation that would expand federal jurisdiction to include violent hate crimes perpetrated because of race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender identity, or physical disability. As a state senator, President Obama passed tough legislation that made hate crimes and conspiracy to commit them against the law.
* Fight Workplace Discrimination: President Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, and believes that our anti-discrimination employment laws should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity. While an increasing number of employers have extended benefits to their employees' domestic partners, discrimination based on sexual orientation in the workplace occurs with no federal legal remedy. The President also sponsored legislation in the Illinois State Senate that would ban employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
* Support Full Civil Unions and Federal Rights for LGBT Couples: President Obama supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples legal rights and privileges equal to those of married couples. Obama also believes we need to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal rights and benefits currently provided on the basis of marital status are extended to same-sex couples in civil unions and other legally-recognized unions. These rights and benefits include the right to assist a loved one in times of emergency, the right to equal health insurance and other employment benefits, and property rights.
* Oppose a Constitutional Ban on Same-Sex Marriage: President Obama voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment in 2006 which would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman and prevented judicial extension of marriage-like rights to same-sex or other unmarried couples.
* Repeal Don't Ask-Don't Tell: President Obama agrees with former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff John Shalikashvili and other military experts that we need to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Discrimination should be prohibited. The U.S. government has spent millions of dollars replacing troops kicked out of the military because of their sexual orientation. Additionally, more than 300 language experts have been fired under this policy, including more than 50 who are fluent in Arabic. The President will work with military leaders to repeal the current policy and ensure it helps accomplish our national defense goals.
* Expand Adoption Rights: President Obama believes that we must ensure adoption rights for all couples and individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. He thinks that a child will benefit from a healthy and loving home, whether the parents are gay or not.
* Promote AIDS Prevention: In the first year of his presidency, President Obama will develop and begin to implement a comprehensive national HIV/AIDS strategy that includes all federal agencies. The strategy will be designed to reduce HIV infections, increase access to care and reduce HIV-related health disparities. The President will support common sense approaches including age-appropriate sex education that includes information about contraception, combating infection within our prison population through education and contraception, and distributing contraceptives through our public health system. The President also supports lifting the federal ban on needle exchange, which could dramatically reduce rates of infection among drug users. President Obama has also been willing to confront the stigma -- too often tied to homophobia -- that continues to surround HIV/AIDS.
* Empower Women to Prevent HIV/AIDS: In the United States, the percentage of women diagnosed with AIDS has quadrupled over the last 20 years. Today, women account for more than one quarter of all new HIV/AIDS diagnoses. President Obama introduced the Microbicide Development Act, which will accelerate the development of products that empower women in the battle against AIDS. Microbicides are a class of products currently under development that women apply topically to prevent transmission of HIV and other infections.

hockeyTom
That looks essentially like the same list I saw in a recent issue of the Advocate...I am filled with hope and optimism that we have a good friend in the White House. His actions will dictate this soon, I am sure, once we get the economy and a couple of other issues dealt with first...don't want to rock the boat to fast to soon.
BigBlueCowboy
This article appeared in The Boston Globe yesterday. Yes, it's good to avoid the mistakes of the Clinton administration, but I worry about the "latitude" that will be given to the military for a comprehensive study. Was such "latitude" given to the military 60 years ago vis a vis desegregation? I'm willing to wait a bit longer, but only so long as Obama doesn't back off on this promise.
Gays in the Military

sportinlife
QUOTE(BigBlueCowboy @ Feb 2 2009, 02:34 PM) *
In sum, I find that a rather discouraging article, but there are some hopeful signs.

The House has Nancy Pelosi as head and I don't think her views on DADT would favor delay, especially now that the major stimulus law has passed that body.

The Senate is another story. Republicans are just looking for a wedge issue to pry Obama further from the liberal wing of the Democratic party. And the internal turmoil among the Dems may keep Obama from wanting to stir the pot any time soon - barring an unforeseen event that makes it obvious the policies is doing continued harm to the country.

But if Judd Gregg becomes Secretary of Commerce and is replaced by a Democrat - by the Democratic governor of New Hampshire - then Norm Coleman loses his final appeals to Al Franken in Minnesota, we may be looking at that so-called veto-proof Democratic majority in the Senate; and that could become a game-changer on a lot of minor issues that Dems want to attach to future bills.

I am no fan of the sausage-making process in government, but in this casing we may see a few links we like.
BigBlueCowboy
Will Obama end DADT?
PennState4Ever
QUOTE(BigBlueCowboy @ Feb 10 2009, 03:41 AM) *


Interesting that the graphic accompanying an article about US military policy depicts an AK-47 (vice the US-manufactured M-16 or M-4), the weapon of choice for revoutionaries, insurgents and terrorists around the world.
fenwayguy
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On another topic, boomer400 said:

Things appear to be moving on the right trajectory.

As Gay Issues Arise, Obama Is Pressed to Engage

Gay rights are a sticky issue that no self-serving national politician, however liberal, would ever move on without lots of prodding. That prodding seems to be happening behind the scenes and is now making its way into the national press with a front-page New York Times article. It should be interesting to see how much play this story gets and how Obama plans on placating GLBT people who strongly supported his candidacy. We are not going to wait forever.

Another sign came down today:
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Obama sends handwritten letter to gay soldier ousted from the military promising to repeal DADT.

Sandy,

Thanks for the wonderful and thoughtful letter. It is because of outstanding Americans like you that I committed to changing our current policy. Although it will take some time to complete (partly because it needs congressional action) I intend to fulfill my commitment!

Barack Obama

So there you are.

See Rachel Maddow's report on a similar case and the status of the necessary legislation.
canmark
Uruguay will now allow gays to serve in the military.Reuters

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Uruguay will allow gays to join the armed forces by scrapping military rules that define homosexuality as a disorder, President Tabare Vazquez said on Thursday.

"The Uruguayan government does not discriminate against citizens based on their political, ethnic or sexual identity," the center-left leader told a news conference in Paraguay's capital, Asuncion, where he was on a state visit.

In late 2007, Uruguay became the first country in Latin America to legalize civil unions for gay couples, granting them rights similar to those enjoyed by married couples on matters such as inheritance, pensions and child custody.
mdterp01
OMG....Rachel Maddow's opening on 5/19 was an interview with Air Force Serviceman Lt. Col. Victor Fehrenbach, who gave 18 YEARS of service to this country, is highly decorated, and only 2 years shy of retiring with full benefits. He was dismissed in September, 2008 because of the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy. He delayed his hearing hoping that Obama would live up to his campaign promise to repeal DADT. Obama will really let me down if he doesn't get rid of this policy. It is absolutely RIDICULOUS that ANYONE who wants to put their life on the line to fight for the freedoms and protection of this country should be discharged because they are gay. But this decorated Air Force Lt. Col. basically being told Thanks for the 18 years of amazing service you gave us but oops you're gay ya go....is utter bullshit. Obama really needs to not back off of this. I know he is seemingly moving more toward the center on some issues, but I am a social liberal at heart and it is so wrong that these men and women are being discharged because of this.
SCTrojan
QUOTE(PennState4Ever @ Feb 10 2009, 01:16 AM) *

Interesting that the graphic accompanying an article about US military policy depicts an AK-47 (vice the US-manufactured M-16 or M-4), the weapon of choice for revoutionaries, insurgents and terrorists around the world.


Been watchin/listenin too much Limbaugh, have we? wink.gif
PennState4Ever
QUOTE(SCTrojan @ May 20 2009, 06:24 AM) *

Been watchin/listenin too much Limbaugh, have we? wink.gif


Uh, no. Not exactly the program of choice on Iraqi radio. I just know a little something about some of the rougher spots around the world.
sportinlife
QUOTE(PennState4Ever @ May 20 2009, 06:20 AM) *

Uh, no. Not exactly the program of choice on Iraqi radio. I just know a little something about some of the rougher spots around the world.
According to the identification of the writer at the bottom of the article he is
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Owen West, a commodities trader, served two tours in Iraq with the Marines.
Do you think he may be aware of the choice of weapon depicted and made it deliberately to send a message?


sportinlife
QUOTE(boomer400 @ May 20 2009, 09:16 AM) *
That may put the case on a more politically sound basis but I do not see how it will change any fundamental constitutional basis.

It is the constitutional basis that will protect gay rights to serve equally in the long run.

I can understand that Obama wants to rule wisely, and sensitivity to the political soundness of a policy is sensible.

Declaration that the DADT constitutes a threat to national security - which it does - is an option he could use to simply abolish it.

However those in the military who still oppose it could "vote with their feet" by either leaving or creating intolerable circumstances for gays under their command without openly violating military regulations.

This issue is one of many on fairness that Obama is attempting to finesse. A more important one for the general welfare of the nation is the laws governing the economy. Our national economy must be supported more by those who benefit from it more. That is not currently the case which is a matter of national security.
SCTrojan
QUOTE(PennState4Ever @ May 20 2009, 03:20 AM) *

Uh, no. Not exactly the program of choice on Iraqi radio. I just know a little something about some of the rougher spots around the world.


I knew that. Just a silly jab on my part. I wasn't serious...

But if you did listen to fatty, which I rarely have, that would be one of his topics of interest, but w/ a lot more mania in it.
fenwayguy
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ May 20 2009, 02:14 AM) *

Rachel Maddow's opening on 5/19 was an interview with Air Force Serviceman Lt. Col. Victor Fehrenbach, who gave 18 YEARS of service to this country, is highly decorated, and only 2 years shy of retiring with full benefits. He was dismissed in September, 2008 because of the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy.

Maddow's interview with Lt. Col. Fehrenbach.

Man, that video is hard to watch - the guy is a hero, a decorated fighter pilot, a military brat and and career officer who bleeds Air Force blue, and whose life has just been devastated by a cowardly, inexcusable policy. Good for him, Army Lt. Dan "I will not shut up!" Choi and others for standing up and continuing to expose this outrage, rather than just accepting an "honorable" discharge and skulking away in shame.

While the president and the Pentagon drag their feet, it's up to Congress to move on H.R.1283, the Military Readiness Enhancement Act, which would replace the DADT policy with one of non-discrimination. Based on the list of co-sponsors, I respectfully suggest that people write their representative to express thanks for supporting the bill, or to request that they sign on. This foolish, wasteful, destructive bigotry has GOT TO END.
canmark
While DADT might not be overturned in the immediate future, apparently gay US diplomats will receive equal benefits.

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Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will soon announce that gay American diplomats will be given benefits similar to those that their heterosexual counterparts enjoy, U.S. officials said Saturday.

In a notice to be sent soon to State Department employees, Clinton says regulations that denied same-sex couples and their families the same rights and privileges that straight diplomats enjoyed are "unfair and must end," as they harm U.S. diplomacy.

"Providing training, medical care and other benefits to domestic partners promote the cohesiveness, safety and effectiveness of our posts abroad," she says in the message, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press.

"It will also help the department attract and retain personnel in a competitive environment where domestic partner benefits and allowances are increasingly the norm for world-class employers," she says.

"At bottom, the department will provide these benefits for both opposite-sex and same-sex domestic partners because it is the right thing to do," Clinton says.

Among the benefits that will now be granted gay diplomats: the right of domestic partners to hold diplomatic passports, government-paid travel for their partners and families to and from foreign posts, and the use of U.S. medical facilities abroad.

In addition, gay diplomats' families will now be eligible for U.S. government emergency evacuations and training courses at the Foreign Service Institute, the message says.


As further proof of 'gays in the embassy,' the US embassy in Baghdad is apparently hosting a gay pride party for dipolmats.

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Change has certainly come to Baghdad. And it appears that includes the U.S. Embassy, where they are holding what the invitation says is the first-ever U.S. Embassy Gay Pride Theme Party next Friday at Baghdaddy's, which is the embassy employee association's pub.

"Come celebrate the start of Summer with color . . . and in costume!" the May 10 invitation says. "Dress in drag or as a gay icon. All are welcome." The invitation was attached to what was called an "All Hands Alerts" e-mail.

An embassy spokesman said by way of explanation: "This is an event organized and sponsored by a group of employees. Given the lack of places to meet in Baghdad, the embassy allows groups to use its social facilities for events on a first-come, first-served basis."

The invitation says, "Prizes will be awarded for two contests: Best Dressed Gay Icon and Best Lip Synch Performance." Unclear what the prizes are, but don't forget to "order costume supplies now in time for May 29th," we're told. "For more info and costume ideas, check out the next edition of The Tigris Times."
SCTrojan
Not to rain on anyone's parade (no pun intnded) but I hope there's gonna be some serious security in & around the embassy. I can see it now some crazed terrorists using this event as a "prime ie of how the West is trying to impose its sinful & decadent values on Muslim soil." OY!!!! unsure.gif unsure.gif unsure.gif

And I wouldn't be caught dead in drag anywhere in the Middle East. And actually, I wouldn't be caught dead in drag period. blink.gif
sportinlife
QUOTE(canmark @ May 24 2009, 10:21 AM) *
As further proof of 'gays in the embassy,' the US embassy in Baghdad is apparently hosting a gay pride party for dipolmats.
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The invitation says, "Prizes will be awarded for two contests: Best Dressed Gay Icon and Best Lip Synch Performance." Unclear what the prizes are, but don't forget to "order costume supplies now in time for May 29th," we're told. "For more info and costume ideas, check out the next edition of The Tigris Times."
As long as they're buying these costumes out of their own salary, gay or straight, and not at tax-payer expense, seems cool to me.

Anyone who has the courage to excercise their right to be openly gay in a country where the culture, if not the law, is clearly hostile is a hero of human rights, gay or otherwise.
canmark
Frank Rich column in the NYTimes: La Cage aux Democrats

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And yet the changes aren’t coming as fast as many gay Americans would like, and as our Bill of Rights would demand. Especially in Washington. Despite Barack Obama’s pledges as a candidate and president, there is no discernible movement on repealing the military's "don’t ask, don’t tell" policy or the Defense of Marriage Act. Both seem more cruelly discriminatory by the day.

When yet another Arabic translator was thrown out of the Army this month for being gay, Jon Stewart nailed the self-destructive Catch-22 of “don’t ask”: We allow interrogators to waterboard detainees and then banish a soldier who can tell us what that detainee is saying. The equally egregious Defense of Marriage Act, a k a DOMA, punishes same-sex spouses by voiding their federal marital rights even in states that have legalized gay marriage. As The Wall Street Journal reported, the widower of America’s first openly gay congressman, Gerry Studds of Massachusetts, must mount a long-shot court battle to try to collect the survivor benefits from his federal pension and health insurance plans. (Studds died in 2006.) Nothing short of Congressional repeal of DOMA is likely to rectify that injustice.
* * *
The gay civil rights movement has fewer obstacles in its path than did Dr. King’s Herculean mission to overthrow the singular legacy of slavery. That makes it all the more shameful that it has fewer courageous allies in Washington than King did. If “American Idol” can sing out for change on Fox in prime time, it ill becomes Obama, of all presidents, to remain mute in the White House.
SCTrojan
Obama, his administration, & Congress is under some serious pressure, stress & scrutiny! unsure.gif
fenwayguy
Time for a little beefcake.

IPB Image
Vic Fehrenbach

OMFG.

Nice to see him smiling, btw.
SCTrojan
Yeah, he is a hottie! smile.gif
fenwayguy
Fehrenbach CNN interview
sportinlife
QUOTE(fenwayguy @ Jun 3 2009, 03:01 PM) *
I think he will do well no matter how this turns out.

Why our "Commander-in-Chief" is still kowtowing to conservatives on this issue is beyond me.

Will he delay it further if the health bill gets stalled beyond October?

Will he delay until after the end of the year to see whether Israel will defy him and bomb Iran?

What does he think he's getting out of this delay, while tossing us table scraps like a month to celebrate another year of second-class citizenship? Does he really think that is a substitute?

I support virtually everything he has done, short of the bank bailouts, but can not for the life of me agree with the things that he hasn't done when he could easily do them.

I can't believe he will hand the conservatives a bigger issue than the "Hispanic woman can make better decisions than white male" comments of likely Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor, by supporting gay soldiers.
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