Full Version: "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Policy Coming to an End?
Using the word "openly" with regard to gays brings to mind two people of the same sex kissing. The word is misleading. Soldiers on duty or training do not spend their time kissing regardless of their sexual orientation.
Even Dick Cheney is coming around on DADT.
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Cheney said he thinks it's time to "reconsider" the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy that prohibits gays and lesbians from serving openly in the U.S. military.
"Twenty years ago, the military were strong advocates of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' when I was secretary of defense," Cheney said. "I think things have changed significantly since then."
Cheney served as the secretary of defense from 1989 to 1993 in the first Bush administration.
"I'm reluctant to second-guess the military in this regard," Cheney said. "When the chiefs come forward and say, 'We think we can do it,' then it strikes me that it's time to reconsider the policy."
"Twenty years ago, the military were strong advocates of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' when I was secretary of defense," Cheney said. "I think things have changed significantly since then."
Cheney served as the secretary of defense from 1989 to 1993 in the first Bush administration.
"I'm reluctant to second-guess the military in this regard," Cheney said. "When the chiefs come forward and say, 'We think we can do it,' then it strikes me that it's time to reconsider the policy."
QUOTE(phillyrunner @ Feb 6 2010, 10:36 AM) 
Obama has so few victories since taking office, especially with the economy still tanking and health care getting sidetracked that getting rid of DADT should be a slam dunk. Unlike his other programs, this won't cost trillions of dollars and can be done with the sign of a pen. He has nothing to lose since his opponents already hate everything he does. At least he can score points with one segment of his constituency, the GBLT community.
Obama's too smart to sign it away with his pen. If he wants the repeal of DADT to stick, he'll do exactly what he's doing: have the military brass get in front of the decision. If he signed an executive order, once Obama was out of power, a Republican president could (and would) re-instate the ban with a stroke of a pen. For the policy repeal to be lasting, it has to come from the outside the political realm. Obama knows this.
I think it's more of a political move to tar the opponents of his other initiatives as also homophobic, plus the fact that he needs some sort of political victory as momentum for those other initiatives. Delaying addressing the issue of openly serving as gay was a gift of sorts, to his opponents in and outside his party, as a means of tempting them to support harder things to swallow like health care and stalling global warming. Now it is becoming clear that most of them never intended to support those initiatives, but only want to damage him politically to make him easier to defeat in 2012.
Republicans and bluedog Democrats are expert at using the selfishness of individuals to their advantage. Progressive Democrats have tried to do the same with tax cuts. Ultimately it will never work, but will backfire. It is a cynical political tactic and just as terrorists are better at torture having no compunction, progressives will never outdo Republicans and conservative Democrats at cutting taxes because it would effectively destroy government and leave us with borrowing money from overseas to pay for national defense.
That the average USA citizen does not see that as the eventual result of our current political gridlock is a credit to many things. One is the pervasiveness and expertise of propagandists who are in favor of infinite tax cuts. Another is the lack of education among the average USA voter. But the main cause is the insidiousness and glorification of selfishness in our culture. Anything associated with the common good is quickly associated with communism or socialism or liberalism or betrayal of individual right to one's own way.
Republicans and bluedog Democrats are expert at using the selfishness of individuals to their advantage. Progressive Democrats have tried to do the same with tax cuts. Ultimately it will never work, but will backfire. It is a cynical political tactic and just as terrorists are better at torture having no compunction, progressives will never outdo Republicans and conservative Democrats at cutting taxes because it would effectively destroy government and leave us with borrowing money from overseas to pay for national defense.
That the average USA citizen does not see that as the eventual result of our current political gridlock is a credit to many things. One is the pervasiveness and expertise of propagandists who are in favor of infinite tax cuts. Another is the lack of education among the average USA voter. But the main cause is the insidiousness and glorification of selfishness in our culture. Anything associated with the common good is quickly associated with communism or socialism or liberalism or betrayal of individual right to one's own way.
A lovely story from the Portland Oregonian: Portland gay couple, survivors of Vietnam War, now find peace. There's a sidebar: Veterans vow to fight 'don't ask, don't tell'
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Every Wednesday for nearly three years, as Tom Norton met with his veterans support group, he didn't ask, he didn't tell.
He talked about nightmares and flashbacks, and about volunteering at the veterans hospital. He listened. But he never revealed he was gay.
Then, a week after military leaders announced Feb. 2 that they'd review the "don't ask, don't tell" policy toward gays, the helicopter pilot who flew 1,861 medevac missions in Vietnam arrived at the Portland Vet Center. His counselor had urged the 15 Vietnam vets in his group to tell their life stories in order to see themselves as individuals beyond their combat tours.
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... Norton was exercising at the Princeton Athletic Club in Portland when he dropped a T-shirt on the wet floor, which he struggled to pick up. A slender, smiling man raced over to help. They became friends, and two years later, on Valentine's Day 1995, he asked Bao Nguyen, a Vietnamese refugee and artist, to move in. They committed to one another in a living-room ceremony then, and married during the brief window Multnomah County issued same-sex marriage licenses in 2004. The attraction was instant.
"We are survivors," says Bao, 54.
He talked about nightmares and flashbacks, and about volunteering at the veterans hospital. He listened. But he never revealed he was gay.
Then, a week after military leaders announced Feb. 2 that they'd review the "don't ask, don't tell" policy toward gays, the helicopter pilot who flew 1,861 medevac missions in Vietnam arrived at the Portland Vet Center. His counselor had urged the 15 Vietnam vets in his group to tell their life stories in order to see themselves as individuals beyond their combat tours.
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... Norton was exercising at the Princeton Athletic Club in Portland when he dropped a T-shirt on the wet floor, which he struggled to pick up. A slender, smiling man raced over to help. They became friends, and two years later, on Valentine's Day 1995, he asked Bao Nguyen, a Vietnamese refugee and artist, to move in. They committed to one another in a living-room ceremony then, and married during the brief window Multnomah County issued same-sex marriage licenses in 2004. The attraction was instant.
"We are survivors," says Bao, 54.
Lesbian discharged from the military after being outed by the police who saw a marriage certificate in her home.
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A former Air Force sargeant in Rapid City, S.D. discharged under "don't ask, don't tell" has filed a lawsuit against local police after officers told military officials that she was a lesbian and had married her spouse in neighboring Iowa.
Jene Newsome was discharged in January after police officers, who had entered Newsome's home with a warrant for the arrest of her wife on theft charges, found Newsome's Iowa marriage license in the residence. Newsome and the American Civil Liberties Union have since filed suit against the western South Dakota police department, claiming the disclosure was a violation of Newsome's privacy.
"I played by 'don't ask, don't tell,'" Newsome told The Associated Press.
Jene Newsome was discharged in January after police officers, who had entered Newsome's home with a warrant for the arrest of her wife on theft charges, found Newsome's Iowa marriage license in the residence. Newsome and the American Civil Liberties Union have since filed suit against the western South Dakota police department, claiming the disclosure was a violation of Newsome's privacy.
"I played by 'don't ask, don't tell,'" Newsome told The Associated Press.
CNN: Retired general links gays in Dutch military to massacre
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A retired U.S. general said Thursday that the Dutch policy of allowing openly gay soldiers to serve in its military led, in part, to its failure to halt the massacre of Muslims in the Bosnian town of Srebrenica in 1995.
QUOTE(canmark @ Mar 19 2010, 06:47 AM)
CNN: Retired general links gays in Dutch military to massacre
The general has been roundly condemned on every international newsite I have visited today. Clearly he is not a man of this century.
DADT Repeal in Jeapordy: Advocate Article
We're going to be thrown under the bus...yet again. The HRC ought to get off their collective arses and do something! Wait a minute...we all ought to get off our duffs and do something.
We're going to be thrown under the bus...yet again. The HRC ought to get off their collective arses and do something! Wait a minute...we all ought to get off our duffs and do something.
The only thing preventing president Obama from placing a moratorium on the application of DADT now is a lack of the political fortitude to confront those outside his administration who he still believes he needs to accomplish his other political goals and from those within who agree with abolishing DADT but want more cover from internal studies and external political forces.
A prime opportunity to find that fortitude comes from the recent open and private letter from Harry Truman's oldest grandson Clifton Daniel Truman - a popular speaker on the subject of his maternal grandfather to the president making clear that Obama is not the first president to have to confront prejudice from within and without his administration to defend the human rights of an oppressed minority.
I hope that Obama eventually will see an advantage in leading rather than following by ending this hypocrisy.
A prime opportunity to find that fortitude comes from the recent open and private letter from Harry Truman's oldest grandson Clifton Daniel Truman - a popular speaker on the subject of his maternal grandfather to the president making clear that Obama is not the first president to have to confront prejudice from within and without his administration to defend the human rights of an oppressed minority.
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It was not easy. He faced fierce opposition from inside and outside the military. Many, including Army Chief of Staff Gen. Omar Bradley, argued that mixing black and white soldiers would destroy the Army.
And I think that he is being less forceful than his famously plainspoken grandfather when he writes that QUOTE
I would hope that my grandfather would want his openly gay great-granddaughter and others like her to have the opportunity to serve the country they love with dignity and integrity.
I suspect president Truman would be much more blunt than presidents Carter or Clinton, and at least as protective of his greatgranddaughter as Dick Cheney is of his daughter.I hope that Obama eventually will see an advantage in leading rather than following by ending this hypocrisy.
Don't care at all about this issue. Just counsel gays not to join the US military with its counterproductive jihads and "accidental" slaughter of noncombatants. It'll do them and the world some good.
I just signed a letter from Gov. Howard Dean urging President Obama to push Congress to take up this issue now and urge the change to take effect immediately. It came from the Democracy for America group. Anybody else subscribe, please sign it and send it. Thank you!
Interesting, BBC.
This is a good time to write both your Representative and your Senators in support of the Military Readiness Enhancement Act, H.R. 1283 or S. 3065, which would abolish DADT.
With 192 co-sponsors of the House version, Pelosi may call for a floor vote this week. The Senate Armed Services Committee may add similar verbiage to the pending National Defense Authorization Act, again this week or next.
The push appears to be on.
This is a good time to write both your Representative and your Senators in support of the Military Readiness Enhancement Act, H.R. 1283 or S. 3065, which would abolish DADT.
With 192 co-sponsors of the House version, Pelosi may call for a floor vote this week. The Senate Armed Services Committee may add similar verbiage to the pending National Defense Authorization Act, again this week or next.
The push appears to be on.
Not surprisingly "a major probllem" now is
It is only now that some of them have had to think about it - or so they may claim.
Coincidentally one of my nieces is having difficulty joining the army because she cannot easily get a birth certificate. She was born in Germany when both of her parents were assigned there in the army.
Maybe I'll tell her to ask John McCain for assistance.
The army can get things done when they want to, or have orders.
DADT should have been ordered years ago, then let them "study" it to find a way to reverse the order.
It's a bit like those "opt out" security plans on some social websites. You should have to "opt in" to give up your personal information or security. Likewise homophobes should have to prove that there's something wrong with us to deny us a privilege. And denying us a right should not even be an option; but that's politics.
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determining how to reconcile the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" with federal law that defines marriage as between a man a woman, the official added.
I suspect that for conservative Democrats it is not just "a" major problem but "the" major problem.It is only now that some of them have had to think about it - or so they may claim.
Coincidentally one of my nieces is having difficulty joining the army because she cannot easily get a birth certificate. She was born in Germany when both of her parents were assigned there in the army.
Maybe I'll tell her to ask John McCain for assistance.
The army can get things done when they want to, or have orders.
DADT should have been ordered years ago, then let them "study" it to find a way to reverse the order.
It's a bit like those "opt out" security plans on some social websites. You should have to "opt in" to give up your personal information or security. Likewise homophobes should have to prove that there's something wrong with us to deny us a privilege. And denying us a right should not even be an option; but that's politics.
I may be mistakenly under the impression that Obama can issue an Executive Order to abolish Don't Ask. Regardless, why would anyone be surprised about push back from the Military Industrial complex when the President kept the same Secretary of Defense selected by GW?
Change!? Same 'ole, same 'ole as I see it.
Change!? Same 'ole, same 'ole as I see it.
Today the Senate Armed Services Committee may take up possible repealing of Don't Ask Don't Tell. I just got off the phone with them to urge them to repeal their current discriminatory policy. I called on behalf of Chris Matthews ( Hardball) who yesterday went off on the Committee and urged everybody to contact them TODAY and tell them to repeal this. The number is:
202-224-3871. Please CALL THEM TODAY! I did...
It may take a couple of tries, but keep at it!
202-224-3871. Please CALL THEM TODAY! I did...
It may take a couple of tries, but keep at it!
The foundations of DADT crumbled yesterday.
The Senate Armed Services Committee and the full US House voted to repeal it.
Halle-freakin'-lujah.
(The House roll call is here -- italics indicate members of the minority party.)
The Senate Armed Services Committee and the full US House voted to repeal it.
Halle-freakin'-lujah.
(The House roll call is here -- italics indicate members of the minority party.)
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The foundations of DADT crumbled yesterday.
And sadly, we'll get to watch the continuing crumbling of John McCain's soul, as he leads the Senate opposition to repeal - even in its watered-down conditional present form - to appease the far-right in AZ. Meanwhile, the media will not call him on his flip-flop or his hypocrisy - as he runs his re-election campaign with his gay campaign manager.
QUOTE(CPT_Doom @ May 28 2010, 10:30 AM)
And sadly, we'll get to watch the continuing crumbling of John McCain's soul, as he leads the Senate opposition to repeal - even in its watered-down conditional present form - to appease the far-right in AZ. Meanwhile, the media will not call him on his flip-flop or his hypocrisy - as he runs his re-election campaign with his gay campaign manager.
Yep, right you are CPT. I just got done reading a headline off MSNBC about how the GOP is going to try to filibuster this bill once it gets to the Senate. Once again, the American people are out front and ahead of many members of Congress and especially the Senate. How sad.
This article does an excellent job of setting forth the current obstacles to eliminating DADT.
Like the snake in the Garden of Eden, Republicans and conservatives are dangling the carrot of more bipartisanship if - if mind you - supporters of eliminating the ban will just wait until the military study has been completed in December.
I don't think I've seed a more disengenuos offer since, well since they offered to do the same if financial reform was watered down, health care reform was made purely private, the Second Coming...you name it.
Like the snake in the Garden of Eden, Republicans and conservatives are dangling the carrot of more bipartisanship if - if mind you - supporters of eliminating the ban will just wait until the military study has been completed in December.
I don't think I've seed a more disengenuos offer since, well since they offered to do the same if financial reform was watered down, health care reform was made purely private, the Second Coming...you name it.
This is truly appalling. If this man had substituted an epithet about another group, there would have been a tremendous hue and cry for his resignation.
Arizona Mayor Insults Gay Soldiers
Arizona Mayor Insults Gay Soldiers
Read this article (and came across the blog via it) via Towleroad.
Potential Repeal of DADT Creates Limbo for Gays in Military
Repeal Now Blog
Potential Repeal of DADT Creates Limbo for Gays in Military
Repeal Now Blog
More good news: Senator McCain reportedly has withdrawn his threat to block repeal of DADT by filibustering the defense budget act.
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The fact that Mr. McCain will not filibuster means repeal is all but certain, although Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has latitude on the timeline.
- Washington Times, 6/16/10
- Washington Times, 6/16/10
QUOTE(fenwayguy @ Jun 18 2010, 11:21 AM)
More good news: Senator McCain reportedly has withdrawn his threat to block repeal of DADT by filibustering the defense budget act.
Good news indeed.And a nice Father's Day gift to the gays in the armed forces, from the man who was apparently afraid of possibly having his son's life saved by a fellow soldier who might be openly gay or lesbian.
DADT Survey
This is appalling! I cannot imagine the military asking the same set of questions about other groups as they do about us.
This is appalling! I cannot imagine the military asking the same set of questions about other groups as they do about us.
Lt. Dan Choi's West Point ring given to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who promises to return it following the repeal of DADT.
Joe.My.God.: Sen. Harry Reid Prompts Standing Ovation For Dan Choi At Netroots Nation, Choi Presents Reid With His West Point Ring
CBS News: Reid Makes a Promise to Dan Choi for Gay Rights
Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA8vFHZNZEE
Joe.My.God.: Sen. Harry Reid Prompts Standing Ovation For Dan Choi At Netroots Nation, Choi Presents Reid With His West Point Ring
CBS News: Reid Makes a Promise to Dan Choi for Gay Rights
Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA8vFHZNZEE
Best argument, yet, about ending DADT:
"Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Be All You Can Be"
Call your senators today at (202) 224-3121. Today is a crucial test, if DADT will be repealed.
"Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Be All You Can Be"
Call your senators today at (202) 224-3121. Today is a crucial test, if DADT will be repealed.
Well, the Rethuglicans prevented another useful piece of legislation. Honestly, what is up with these clowns? Have they started a "scortched earth" policy?
The Republicans used a smokescreen of Senate rules to hide the real reason why they chose to filibuster a DoD Bill the other day, i.e. their opposition to the repeal of DADT and an amendment regarding immigration. They and the two senators from Arkansas are bigots.
But Obama displays an appalling lack of leadership, when he needs to take decisive action. Grow some balls, Mr. President!
But Obama displays an appalling lack of leadership, when he needs to take decisive action. Grow some balls, Mr. President!
QUOTE(BigBlueCowboy @ Sep 24 2010, 12:25 AM)
But Obama displays an appalling lack of leadership, when he needs to take decisive action. Grow some balls, Mr. President!
Here you go Sir:
Sorry Mr. President, I couldn't reisist.
QUOTE(BigBlueCowboy @ Sep 24 2010, 12:25 AM)
The Republicans used a smokescreen of Senate rules to hide the real reason why they chose to filibuster a DoD Bill the other day, i.e. their opposition to the repeal of DADT and an amendment regarding immigration. They and the two senators from Arkansas are bigots.
But Obama displays an appalling lack of leadership, when he needs to take decisive action. Grow some balls, Mr. President!
Well he grew some balls....enough to appeal the ruling where a judge ordered a stop to DADT. Not the balls we were hoping for.
Read here.
From that article:
The mixed emotions have been evident in recent days as a federal judge ordered a halt to enforcement of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The Obama administration says it agrees with the judge that gays should be allowed to serve openly. Yet to the frustration of gay activists, the administration appealed the ruling, saying it preferred that Congress repeal the policy.
Funny how no one on the board posted anything about this.
At this point Obama is in such a precarious political position that not enforcing any current law would have his enemies screaming for impeachment.
He has said that DADT will end during this administration. So even he knows that at some point he will have nothing to lose, even if he has to do it going out the door. But I suspect that by January 1, 2011, or even sooner after that study is done, DADT will be history.
He has said that DADT will end during this administration. So even he knows that at some point he will have nothing to lose, even if he has to do it going out the door. But I suspect that by January 1, 2011, or even sooner after that study is done, DADT will be history.
I love that Dan Choi went to the recruiting office to reenlist today.
QUOTE(SeaCraig @ Oct 19 2010, 08:22 PM)
I love that Dan Choi went to the recruiting office to reenlist today.
My initial reaction was a muted:YES!!!
Meanwhile, the White House needs to get out of its own way. From yesterday's press briefing:
Two thoughts:
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(Press Secretary Robert Gibbs): We believe the law should be repealed and we believe that, as the Pentagon studies a process for an orderly transition, that we think will come to pass in repeal of the law.
Q Did the judge nullify the law?
MR. GIBBS: Yes.
Q Well, then there is no law anymore.
MR. GIBBS: Again, the earlier answer that I gave, which is we believe that a process has to be put in process for that orderly transition.
Silly man.Q Did the judge nullify the law?
MR. GIBBS: Yes.
Q Well, then there is no law anymore.
MR. GIBBS: Again, the earlier answer that I gave, which is we believe that a process has to be put in process for that orderly transition.
Two thoughts:
- Don't appeal, let the decision stand for now, AND let the Senate vote retroactively to repeal the (non-existent) law in December. I mean, the Senate has been trailing on DADT for years, so let them bring up the rear. Politically untenable?
- In the movie In & Out, the entire high school and then the whole town stands up and proclaims, "I'm gay!" in support of their gay English teacher. Courageous gay members of the armed forces and their non-gay colleagues and friends could overwhelm the discharge process and render it effectively moot by doing the same. Of course, In & Out was a fantasy...
Pentagon study says military is ready to repeal DADT... yet why does one suspect that certain people will find some way to object. 
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Co-authors Defense Department General Counsel Jeh Johnson and Army Gen. Carter Ham told reporters in a press briefing on Tuesday that the study found strong support for implementing repeal...
"The reality is that there are gay men and lesbians already serving in today's U.S. military, and most Service members recognize this," said Johnson in his prepared remarks to reporters. "Further, in the course of our assessment, it became apparent to us that, aside from the moral and religious objections to homosexuality, much of the concern about 'openly' gay Service members is driven by misperceptions and stereotypes."
"We conclude that, while a repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell will likely, in the short term, bring about some limited and isolated disruption to unit cohesion and retention, we do not believe this disruption will be widespread or long-lasting, and can be adequately addressed by the recommendations we offer," added Ham. "Longer term, with a continued and sustained commitment to core values of leadership, professionalism, and respect for all, we are convinced that the U.S. military can adjust and accommodate this change, just as it has others in history."
"The reality is that there are gay men and lesbians already serving in today's U.S. military, and most Service members recognize this," said Johnson in his prepared remarks to reporters. "Further, in the course of our assessment, it became apparent to us that, aside from the moral and religious objections to homosexuality, much of the concern about 'openly' gay Service members is driven by misperceptions and stereotypes."
"We conclude that, while a repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell will likely, in the short term, bring about some limited and isolated disruption to unit cohesion and retention, we do not believe this disruption will be widespread or long-lasting, and can be adequately addressed by the recommendations we offer," added Ham. "Longer term, with a continued and sustained commitment to core values of leadership, professionalism, and respect for all, we are convinced that the U.S. military can adjust and accommodate this change, just as it has others in history."
Because the right-wing religious nuts don't let facts get in the way of having a position.
QUOTE(canmark @ Nov 30 2010, 09:26 PM)
Also studies touted by the right that show reticence of retired and serving military concerning gays serving in the military tend to be skewed by the inclusion of veterans who will not be returning to the military anyhow, thereby suggesting their opinions have little relevance to the readiness of current and future troops on the ground.
Here is some news that makes me cautiously optimistic for repeal:
Scott Brown in favor of Repeal
Let's hope this gives courage to more moderates!
Scott Brown in favor of Repeal
Let's hope this gives courage to more moderates!
Jon Stewart perfectly dissecting what a complete ass**** John McCain has become:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-dece...s=synd_facebook
It sickens me to think that, at one time, I actually looked at McCain as a Republican I could actually consider backing.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-dece...s=synd_facebook
It sickens me to think that, at one time, I actually looked at McCain as a Republican I could actually consider backing.
QUOTE(George Twins fan @ Dec 3 2010, 01:56 PM)
Jon Stewart perfectly dissecting what a complete ass**** John McCain has become:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-dece...s=synd_facebook
It sickens me to think that, at one time, I actually looked at McCain as a Republican I could actually consider backing.
Disappointed? Yes. Disheartened? Perhaps. Willing to give up the fight? Hell, no!
DADT Repeal Fails!
Blame goes to the Democratic leadership that rushed this to a vote! This was not right, Harry Reid! Dental appointments are not an excuse, Blanche Lincoln!
But it was only Susan Collins who showed the strength of conviction among the Republicans! Shame on Scott Brown and Lisa Murkowski! You said you were for repeal, but voted against it on procedure! The Republican leadership and party at large will regret being wrong about this! The Republicans are fear mongers and demonizers. Shame on you!
DADT Repeal Fails!
Blame goes to the Democratic leadership that rushed this to a vote! This was not right, Harry Reid! Dental appointments are not an excuse, Blanche Lincoln!
But it was only Susan Collins who showed the strength of conviction among the Republicans! Shame on Scott Brown and Lisa Murkowski! You said you were for repeal, but voted against it on procedure! The Republican leadership and party at large will regret being wrong about this! The Republicans are fear mongers and demonizers. Shame on you!
Perhaps if they allowed all the gays in the military to come out it might make it easier to find all the potential Wikileakers. They need to find them before they leak.
After all, gays tended to show up most in the intelligence field before they were expelled for being gay. It seems self-defeating to expel the the best plumbers when you're pestered with leaks.
After all, gays tended to show up most in the intelligence field before they were expelled for being gay. It seems self-defeating to expel the the best plumbers when you're pestered with leaks.
I have to say this vote was disgusting. The military's own report shows it should not have a significant impact on forces to allow gays to server opening (which has has also been demonstrated by other country's elimination of similar bans). The legislators who voted against it have no good excuse except their own bigotry and hatred. If they were really interested in protecting America (and not just currying favor from the religious groups), they would have no problem supporting the right of anyone to serve openly.
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