Full Version: Latest CNN Poll-Dean closing in on Bush!
According to the latest CNN Poll results yesterday (Friday) going head to head Dean has closed to within 5 points of Shrub now. Bush has 51%, Dean is up to 46%. Go Howard Go!!!!
When will you guys ever learn to ignore polls--of either persuasion? Sheesh. 
[ January 03, 2004, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
[ January 03, 2004, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
Where was this poll? I can't find it at cnn.com. Was it an Internet poll, which is completely unreliable compared to the more scientific ones? All the other polls showed Bush gaining momentum after Saddam was found. Why would it suddenly turn around like this? I would think that any real poll that showed Dean within 5 points of Bush would've resulted in lots of news reports.
In searching Google news for this poll (again, in vain) I did find this tidbit from a George Will column a week ago: in the most recent Newsweek poll Bush is in a 46-46 dead heat when matched against an unnamed Democrat. To me this means he's beatable if the Democratic nominee steps up with a good campaign. That's the dilemma, of course; no Democrat but Clinton has done that recently.
In searching Google news for this poll (again, in vain) I did find this tidbit from a George Will column a week ago: in the most recent Newsweek poll Bush is in a 46-46 dead heat when matched against an unnamed Democrat. To me this means he's beatable if the Democratic nominee steps up with a good campaign. That's the dilemma, of course; no Democrat but Clinton has done that recently.
Joe I saw this poll result yesterday afternoon during Wolf Blitzer's report.
It's the same behavior. No matter the political persuasion.
When the poll says what they want to see, people will pull out the poll numbers.
while numbers may be a good guide, the final poll (on election day) is the only one that matters.
When the poll says what they want to see, people will pull out the poll numbers.
while numbers may be a good guide, the final poll (on election day) is the only one that matters.
Amazingly, while looking for the info in the "Gays in Sports" thread, I found the poll info. It's listed here. I'm sorry to have doubted you, puckman!
It's a CNN/Time Poll conducted by Harris Interactive between Dec. 30, 2003-Jan. 1, 2004. 604 likely voters nationwide, margin of error plus or minus 4 percent. They asked:
"Suppose the 2004 election for president were being held today and you had to choose between [see below], the Democrat, and George W. Bush, the Republican. For whom would you vote: [see below]?"
For Dean vs. Bush, it was 51-46 with 3 percent not sure. In their previous poll in November it was 52-40 with 8 percent not sure.
It's a CNN/Time Poll conducted by Harris Interactive between Dec. 30, 2003-Jan. 1, 2004. 604 likely voters nationwide, margin of error plus or minus 4 percent. They asked:
"Suppose the 2004 election for president were being held today and you had to choose between [see below], the Democrat, and George W. Bush, the Republican. For whom would you vote: [see below]?"
For Dean vs. Bush, it was 51-46 with 3 percent not sure. In their previous poll in November it was 52-40 with 8 percent not sure.
Okay all you naysayers. I hear everything you say, but the reason this is signifcant is because all I have been hearing from the "liberal" media is that Dean stands no chance of beating Bush. This poll to me is signifcant, because Dean has come up from way behind. Things can change, and will.
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puckman1:
Okay all you naysayers. I hear everything you say, but the reason this is signifcant is because all I have been hearing from the \"liberal\" media is that Dean stands no chance of beating Bush. This poll to me is signifcant, because Dean has come up from way behind. Things can change, and will.
These numbers from Howard Dean have got me thinking: Isn't that how Bill Clinton got started? No one said he had a chance to beat Papa Bush and he knocked the old man out of the White House in '92, just a year after the war. Baby Bush better beware.
Okay all you naysayers. I hear everything you say, but the reason this is signifcant is because all I have been hearing from the \"liberal\" media is that Dean stands no chance of beating Bush. This poll to me is signifcant, because Dean has come up from way behind. Things can change, and will.
Sorry to disappoint you, puckman wink , but all the polls in the world matter not:
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Pat Robertson: God tells me it's Bush in a blowout
Pat Robertson said Friday that God told him President Bush will be re-elected in a landslide.
\"I think George Bush is going to win in a walk,\" the religious broadcaster said on his \"700 Club\" program on the Virginia Beach-based Christian Broadcasting Network, which he founded.
\"I really believe I'm hearing from the Lord it's going to be like a blowout election in 2004. It's shaping up that way,\" Robertson said.
\"The Lord has just blessed him,\" Robertson said of Bush. \"I mean, he could make terrible mistakes and comes out of it. It doesn't make any difference what he does, good or bad, God picks him up because he's a man of prayer and God's blessing him.\"
Earlier on the program, Robertson had explained that he wanted to share \"some of the things that I believe the Lord was showing me as I spent several days in prayer at the end of 2003.\"
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The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, a frequent Robertson critic and executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said he had a prediction of his own.
\"I predict that Pat Robertson in 2004 will continue to use his multimillion broadcasting empire to promote George Bush and other Republican candidates,\" Lynn said in a statement. \"Maybe Pat got a message from (Bush political adviser) Karl Rove and thought it was from God.\"
Bwaa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!! That's right, Pat, you just keep listening to those voices in your head. I'm sure there'll be a nice rubber room in heaven reserved just for you. Pat Robertson: God tells me it's Bush in a blowout
Pat Robertson said Friday that God told him President Bush will be re-elected in a landslide.
\"I think George Bush is going to win in a walk,\" the religious broadcaster said on his \"700 Club\" program on the Virginia Beach-based Christian Broadcasting Network, which he founded.
\"I really believe I'm hearing from the Lord it's going to be like a blowout election in 2004. It's shaping up that way,\" Robertson said.
\"The Lord has just blessed him,\" Robertson said of Bush. \"I mean, he could make terrible mistakes and comes out of it. It doesn't make any difference what he does, good or bad, God picks him up because he's a man of prayer and God's blessing him.\"
Earlier on the program, Robertson had explained that he wanted to share \"some of the things that I believe the Lord was showing me as I spent several days in prayer at the end of 2003.\"
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The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, a frequent Robertson critic and executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said he had a prediction of his own.
\"I predict that Pat Robertson in 2004 will continue to use his multimillion broadcasting empire to promote George Bush and other Republican candidates,\" Lynn said in a statement. \"Maybe Pat got a message from (Bush political adviser) Karl Rove and thought it was from God.\"
Is there any way we can fit Robertson on the next Mars rover?
Someone tell him to just shut up already! Sheesh.
Someone tell him to just shut up already! Sheesh.
Mars is to close for me for Robertson. He could go out and meet up with the Voyager spacecraft and I would be happy!! wink
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Seph:
Sorry to disappoint you, puckman wink , but all the polls in the world matter not:
Oh, there's a suite reserved for him...but it ain't in heaven...Sorry to disappoint you, puckman wink , but all the polls in the world matter not:
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A/P - NORFOLK, Va.
Pat Robertson: God tells me it's Bush in a blowout
Bwaa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!! That's right, Pat, you just keep listening to those voices in your head. I'm sure there'll be a nice rubber room in heaven reserved just for you. Pat Robertson: God tells me it's Bush in a blowout
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[quote]Joe in Philly:
[QUOTE]Oh, there's a suite reserved for him...but it ain't in heaven... [/quote]<gasp> Are you casting aspersions on Brother Pat?!
I wonder if God was so protective of Clinton, who also seemed to be immune from political foibles.
Also, is anybody else waiting for Pat to get caught in a seedy park bathroom with a c*ck in his mouth? I wonder how'd he explain that one? More instructions from the Lord?
[QUOTE]Oh, there's a suite reserved for him...but it ain't in heaven... [/quote]<gasp> Are you casting aspersions on Brother Pat?!
I wonder if God was so protective of Clinton, who also seemed to be immune from political foibles.
Also, is anybody else waiting for Pat to get caught in a seedy park bathroom with a c*ck in his mouth? I wonder how'd he explain that one? More instructions from the Lord?
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MIB
Is there any way we can fit Robertson on the next Mars rover?
Martian Anti-Defamation League on line 2.
Is there any way we can fit Robertson on the next Mars rover?
The Annenburg Institute polled registered democrats in 48 states (they excluded NH and Iowa) and discovered that 87% of those questioned do not think they have enough information about any of the nominees to make an informed choice.
~Adam
~Adam
Which means that more than likely they will go with the perceived frontrunner: Dean.
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Joe in Philly:
For Dean vs. Bush, it was 51-46 with 3 percent not sure. In their previous poll in November it was 52-40 with 8 percent not sure.
Yo Dean-O Freaks... Looks at the 2 polls.. W's numbers remain solid... and dean-o is flirting with that "undecided" vote. up one week, down the next week. For Dean vs. Bush, it was 51-46 with 3 percent not sure. In their previous poll in November it was 52-40 with 8 percent not sure.
Just remember, he hasnt even hit the general election where he will beaten to death for all of the stupid things he's said just to date... yeah, good luck.... welcome to the blood bath dean-o.
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PhillyFan:
Just remember, he hasnt even hit the general election where he will beaten to death for all of the stupid things he's said just to date... yeah, good luck.... welcome to the blood bath dean-o.
Yes, PhillyFan, Dean has come out with some beauts. But I think Bush will give Dean a run for his money in terms of stupid things that come out of their mouths.
Just remember, he hasnt even hit the general election where he will beaten to death for all of the stupid things he's said just to date... yeah, good luck.... welcome to the blood bath dean-o.
What percentage of these respondents could describe Dean's platform in any detail? (Or Bush's, given the level of political illiteracy in this country.) Too premature to even serve as a weathervane...
Clark, Dean, Kerry...whomever it is, there are now 302 days until our regime change!
YEAH MAN!
I just can't wait to see Shrub in a debate without the earpiece or teleprompter. That should be a hoot. Of course, he'll probably insist on a preview of all questions or he won't debate. That'll give Condor, et al., time to get him to memorize his answers.
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Adam2112:
I just can't wait to see Shrub in a debate without the earpiece or teleprompter. That should be a hoot. Of course, he'll probably insist on a preview of all questions or he won't debate. That'll give Condor, et al., time to get him to memorize his answers.
My bet is that he will resist more than two debates. It's going to be hilarious watching him stumble and fall thru the debates. Those damn facial expressions will have me bouncing off the walls, though.
I just can't wait to see Shrub in a debate without the earpiece or teleprompter. That should be a hoot. Of course, he'll probably insist on a preview of all questions or he won't debate. That'll give Condor, et al., time to get him to memorize his answers.
That and his way of pronounciation (slaughter) of words!!! 
Tally Ho Shrub!
Tally Ho Shrub!
First, I'm willing to guarantee that at some point in the winter/early spring there will be a poll showing Howard Dean beating President Bush. Lots of reasons why, mainly having to do with Bush not having a primary and Dems getting lots of attention because of their primary and Dean getting a big boost in name recognition, leading to a boost in polls, and as the Bush people seem to understand right now there's little need to challenge every assertion made by Dean or any other Democrat at this point because there's more bang for the buck closer to the election.
Also, in the debate pretty much all Bush will have to do is keep things simple and make Dean lose his temper a few times. Say the right things, say them very earnestly, get Howie all riled up, and have Howie screaming at the commander-in-chief who's looking presidential, above the fray.
I hate to break your hearts, but there are so many indications that Dean is not going to be a very good candidate.
Also, in the debate pretty much all Bush will have to do is keep things simple and make Dean lose his temper a few times. Say the right things, say them very earnestly, get Howie all riled up, and have Howie screaming at the commander-in-chief who's looking presidential, above the fray.
I hate to break your hearts, but there are so many indications that Dean is not going to be a very good candidate.
Right now, I'd much rather see Wes Clark or John Kerry get the nomination. I think either of them would make a better candidate (and reach more people) than Howard Dean who everyday distances himself more and more from a lot of the population.
John Kerry would be a disaster. I like Tina Brown's description of him as the Talking Tree with the '70s hair. He's such a mess visually (especially compared to Bush) and he has no money so he's irrelevant.
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bobby78751:
Right now, I'd much rather see Wes Clark or John Kerry get the nomination. I think either of them would make a better candidate (and reach more people) than Howard Dean who everyday distances himself more and more from a lot of the population.
Q-Tip.
Right now, I'd much rather see Wes Clark or John Kerry get the nomination. I think either of them would make a better candidate (and reach more people) than Howard Dean who everyday distances himself more and more from a lot of the population.
I agree with bobby's last post - I think Clark would be a stronger candidate against Bush. Dean is going to self-destruct with continued bizarre comments, and some aspects of his gubernatorial record. Today Bill Bradley endorsed Dean. Hmmm, vying for a VP nom?
I almost worked for Bill Bradley's campaign--Dean or anyone else would be foolish to add this man to the ticket. First, the Democrats can win New Jersey without breaking a sweat. Second, Bradley is like human tryptophan--he induces sleep quickly and soundly. Third, he is too aloof and not a good charisma enhancer for Dean. Yes, he was a basketball star, etc., etc., but the people Dean wants to attract aren't going to jump on his bandwagon because the philosopher-athlete is also on the ticket. Clark would be a far better match, or perhaps the whiny man from the Show Me state.
Lick Bush in 2004!
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GatorJamie:
Lick Bush in 2004!
Here's hoping you dont mean that literally!Lick Bush in 2004!
Yuck.
Happy New Year GJ!
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GatorJamie:
Lick Bush in 2004!
Oh, thanks for that lovely visual, and near LUNCHTIME!!!
Lick Bush in 2004!
I don't think Bill Bradley is running for VP; it seems that John Edwards is now running for that spot, what with his "rising above the negative campaigning" attitude & playing nice with all other candidates. Additionally, there is a sense within Dem circles that they cannot win without a southerner on the ticket (particularly if Dean--supposedly so unpopular in that region--heads the ticket) and if Clark is the nominess, he and Dean can be the two sons of the south taking on a Bush, sort of like Clinton and Gore in '92.
~Adam
~Adam
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Adam:
and if Clark is the nominess, he and Dean can be the two sons of the south taking on a Bush, sort of like Clinton and Gore in '92.
~Adam
How is Dean a son of the South?and if Clark is the nominess, he and Dean can be the two sons of the south taking on a Bush, sort of like Clinton and Gore in '92.
~Adam
[ January 06, 2004, 11:28 AM: Message edited by: William1865 ]
My mistake--I meant if Clark and Edwards were the nominees, they could claim the sons of the south moniker, as Clinton & Gore did in '92. I should never post while talking on the phone.
~Adam
~Adam
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Adam:
My mistake--I meant if Clark and Edwards were the nominees, they could claim the sons of the south moniker, as Clinton & Gore did in '92. I should never post while talking on the phone.
~Adam
No prob, dude, I knew what you meant! :-)
My mistake--I meant if Clark and Edwards were the nominees, they could claim the sons of the south moniker, as Clinton & Gore did in '92. I should never post while talking on the phone.
~Adam
My dream ticket, still remains, Dean for the domestics agenda, and Clark for foreign policy.
Clark is the Clinton's hand-picked and propped up candidate. Bill & Hillary really can't stand Dean. I can't see Dean picking Clark as his VP.
Nevertheless, stranger things have happened.
Nevertheless, stranger things have happened.
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Joe in Philly:
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Seph:
Sorry to disappoint you, puckman wink , but all the polls in the world matter not:
Oh, there's a suite reserved for him...but it ain't in heaven... Sorry to disappoint you, puckman wink , but all the polls in the world matter not:
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A/P - NORFOLK, Va.
Pat Robertson: God tells me it's Bush in a blowout
Bwaa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!! That's right, Pat, you just keep listening to those voices in your head. I'm sure there'll be a nice rubber room in heaven reserved just for you. Pat Robertson: God tells me it's Bush in a blowout
Walter Cronkite managed to secure an interview with God, and at the start of the interview, , God decided to take Walter on a tour.
They got into the elevator, and it went up to the second floor. "this is reserved for Bhuddists" God said. When the got to the 3rd floor, god said "this is reserved for the followers of Islam.
At the 4th floor, god said, "this is for the Catholics", at the 5th floor, he said "this is for the Anglicans". But at the 6th floor, the elevator passed right on by.
Walter Cronkite looked at God and said, "why didn't you stop at the 6th floor"?
God laughed and said to him, "Oh, that's the Southern Baptists. They think they're the only ones here, so we let them have their fantasy."
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MIB:
Clark is the Clinton's hand-picked and propped up candidate. Bill & Hillary really can't stand Dean.
Wait, I thought the Clinton's wanted Bush to win in 2004 so Hillary could run and win in 2008.Clark is the Clinton's hand-picked and propped up candidate. Bill & Hillary really can't stand Dean.
By the way, when was the last time you chatted with either of the Clintons?
from MIB:
Clark is the Clinton's hand-picked and propped up candidate.
Though Clark and Bill Clinton both hail from Arkansas & both Clintons have expressed admiration for him, calling him their hand-picked and propped up candidate stretches reality. When John Edwards entered the race, the media made similar claims for his closeness to the Clintons & if Bill and Hillary were such staunch Clark backers, why have neither one publicly endorsed him? Or hit the fund raising trail for him? The Clintons are the biggest magnets for Dem money and Clark's campaign (hell, any of the Dems' campaigns) could use their support. Privately, they may support Clark, but until either one makes that support public, it's just all sound and fury signifying nothing.
~Adam
Clark is the Clinton's hand-picked and propped up candidate.
Though Clark and Bill Clinton both hail from Arkansas & both Clintons have expressed admiration for him, calling him their hand-picked and propped up candidate stretches reality. When John Edwards entered the race, the media made similar claims for his closeness to the Clintons & if Bill and Hillary were such staunch Clark backers, why have neither one publicly endorsed him? Or hit the fund raising trail for him? The Clintons are the biggest magnets for Dem money and Clark's campaign (hell, any of the Dems' campaigns) could use their support. Privately, they may support Clark, but until either one makes that support public, it's just all sound and fury signifying nothing.
~Adam
Not so fast! From USA Today:
"At the moment, among likely voters he (Bush) defeats Democratic front-runner Howard Dean 59% to 37%. Against an unnamed Democrat, he wins 55% to 38%"
Further evidence that polls are junk....
Latest of the latest polls
"At the moment, among likely voters he (Bush) defeats Democratic front-runner Howard Dean 59% to 37%. Against an unnamed Democrat, he wins 55% to 38%"
Further evidence that polls are junk....
Latest of the latest polls
I DO like Bill Maher's explanation of Dean's entire campaign: "It's a political campaign mixed with relationships. It's nothing more than an Internet Dating Service."
Dean may just be in line for picking up his biggest endorsement to date. CNN is reporting that Howard Dean will fly down to Plains, Georgia on Sunday for a chat with Jimmy Carter. Joe Trippi campaign manager of Dean would neither confirm or deny the claim. We will have to wait and see. This is really big for Howard!!
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puckman1
Dean may just be in line for picking up his biggest endorsement to date. CNN is reporting that Howard Dean will fly down to Plains, Georgia on Sunday for a chat with Jimmy Carter.
If that report is accurate, puckman, this is GREAT news for Howard!....above and beyond gaining the endorsement of a former President, this can do nothing but boost Dean's campaign in several key southern states, where Carter is absolutely revered....it will be interesting to see what impact this endorsement has in the national and regional polls but big kudos to Jimmy for placing his name and considerable leverage behind the man who is still the BEST candidate!Dean may just be in line for picking up his biggest endorsement to date. CNN is reporting that Howard Dean will fly down to Plains, Georgia on Sunday for a chat with Jimmy Carter.
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The parade of losers endorsing Dean continues. Carter? Yeah, like I'd want one of this country's worst, most ineffective presidents to endorse me.
If I were Dean, I'd say "thanks, but no thanks," or at least accept his endorsement anonymously so no one knew.
Bill Bradley, Al Gore, now Jimmy Carter. Who's next? McGovern? When's Dukakis going to endorse him?
[ January 13, 2004, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
If I were Dean, I'd say "thanks, but no thanks," or at least accept his endorsement anonymously so no one knew.
Bill Bradley, Al Gore, now Jimmy Carter. Who's next? McGovern? When's Dukakis going to endorse him?
[ January 13, 2004, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
Come on, MIB. Carter's reputation these days goes WAY beyond his reputation as a former president. Turning down a man respected as one of the greatest American humanitarians would be ridiculous. Also, Carter's amazing foreign-affairs record over the past decade ups Dean's "worldly" appearance, which will give him a plus over Bush for many independents.
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...Carter's amazing foreign-affairs record over the past decade...
Sorry. I had to pick myself off the floor from laughing so hard at that one. ...Carter's amazing foreign-affairs record over the past decade...
If I ever run for president, I won't be ecstatic over losers endorsing me, that's for sure.
I wonder just how many congressmen, senators, and presidents Carter has helped get elected with his endorsements over the years.
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MIB:
If I ever run for president, I won't be ecstatic over losers endorsing me, that's for sure.
If you run for president and anyone endorses you, you should be ecstatic.
If I ever run for president, I won't be ecstatic over losers endorsing me, that's for sure.
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