Too bad, though, that it's the first thing you've said that's ever been accurate.
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Damn, RZ! I was cracking up at that one, I must admit. Good one.
Too bad, though, that it's the first thing you've said that's ever been accurate.
Too bad, though, that it's the first thing you've said that's ever been accurate.
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MIB:
Um ... the Carter Center, the Nobel Peace Prize. You may think that Carter's international record is laughable but you are VERY much in the minority. And you can't be serious that you think his endorsement would hurt Dean, right? I mean, it may not help him in the eyes of already-decided Republicans, but for non-isolationist moderates, ideological liberals, intellectuals, activists, internationalist, monied gentlemen of the south, old people, Braves fans, Emory students, and Rosalynn herself, such an endorsement will carry a great deal of weight.QUOTE
araanib:
...Carter's amazing foreign-affairs record over the past decade...
Sorry. I had to pick myself off the floor from laughing so hard at that one. ...Carter's amazing foreign-affairs record over the past decade...
[ January 14, 2004, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: araanib ]
I understand that Carter may not necessarily be endorsing Dean, but will make an appearance with him in Iowa, the night before. No matter what MIB thinks of Carter, I hold him in high regard.
According to CNN, Carter is NOT officially endorsing ANY candidate, although Dean's campaign has confirmed that Jimmy has been "very, very friendly to us" and "really likes the governor"....in fact, during the former President's recent appearance on Jay Leno, he spoke VERY favorably of Dean and did everything BUT give Howard his "formal endorsement".
As for Carter traveling to Iowa, that is not taking place, puckman....CNN is now reporting that:
Howard Dean will travel Sunday to former President Jimmy Carter's hometown of Plains, Georgia , but only to go to church, not to gather an endorsement, his campaign said. "They'll attend Sunday school and church services together and then Dean will return to Iowa," said campaign spokesman Jay Carson. "Dean feels that there are few things that could be more appropriate the day before the Iowa caucus than attend Sunday school and church with Jimmy Carter. Carter has been very, very friendly to us. He really likes the governor. But the direct words out of his mouth have been that he's not going to endorse anyone in the '04 race. We're still talking to him, but we've pretty much accepted that he's not going to do it. It's not something that we expect to happen at all."
As for Carter traveling to Iowa, that is not taking place, puckman....CNN is now reporting that:
Howard Dean will travel Sunday to former President Jimmy Carter's hometown of Plains, Georgia , but only to go to church, not to gather an endorsement, his campaign said. "They'll attend Sunday school and church services together and then Dean will return to Iowa," said campaign spokesman Jay Carson. "Dean feels that there are few things that could be more appropriate the day before the Iowa caucus than attend Sunday school and church with Jimmy Carter. Carter has been very, very friendly to us. He really likes the governor. But the direct words out of his mouth have been that he's not going to endorse anyone in the '04 race. We're still talking to him, but we've pretty much accepted that he's not going to do it. It's not something that we expect to happen at all."
Confirmed Democrat here but I think it's way too early to hope/think that Howard Dean is remotely close to having the financial backing and support to beat GW. Adding Jimmy Carter is a mixed blessing. Adding Bill/Hillary Clinton as a supporter would be a mixed blessing as well.
Dean's surge in various polls is occuring within a political vacuum. The Repubs have scarcely started campaigning.
I'm assuming Dean will be the nominee. But what I'm really looking forward to is how his aggressive style will play in Peoria.
Recall in the 2000 debates that Al Gore made GW look like a simpleton? The middle of the road voters hardly embraced Gore for this ... instead they felt sorry for GW because Al was picking on him.
Should Dean get the chance to debate GW, he's going to have to focus on someone other than GW ... because the voters simply won't stand for making fun of their president.
Dean's surge in various polls is occuring within a political vacuum. The Repubs have scarcely started campaigning.
I'm assuming Dean will be the nominee. But what I'm really looking forward to is how his aggressive style will play in Peoria.
Recall in the 2000 debates that Al Gore made GW look like a simpleton? The middle of the road voters hardly embraced Gore for this ... instead they felt sorry for GW because Al was picking on him.
Should Dean get the chance to debate GW, he's going to have to focus on someone other than GW ... because the voters simply won't stand for making fun of their president.
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puckman1:
I understand that Carter may not necessarily be endorsing Dean, but will make an appearance with him in Iowa, the night before. No matter what MIB thinks of Carter, I hold him in high regard.
As I'm sure you do of Yassir Arafat, since he, too, is a Nobel Peace Prize recipient.
I understand that Carter may not necessarily be endorsing Dean, but will make an appearance with him in Iowa, the night before. No matter what MIB thinks of Carter, I hold him in high regard.
Breaking News: Former CA. Governor Gray Davis set to endorse Howard Dean!
Someone call Mondale and ask him if he's supporting Dean yet.
For the record, I freely admit I personally like Jimmy Carter. I do believe he's a good person. He was a lousy president, however.
Someone call Mondale and ask him if he's supporting Dean yet.
For the record, I freely admit I personally like Jimmy Carter. I do believe he's a good person. He was a lousy president, however.
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MIB:
For the record, I freely admit I personally like Jimmy Carter. I do believe he's a good person. He was a lousy president, however.
A weak president I might concede, but his current reputation is based on considerably more than his presidency.For the record, I freely admit I personally like Jimmy Carter. I do believe he's a good person. He was a lousy president, however.
Why do you keep insisting that Carter's endorsement is a bad thing? Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. Now you're saying that the Nobel Peace Prize is not prestigious because it was once given to a man who we now understand supported terrorism? All just to win your initially bad point about Carter? You laughed at his foreign-affairs record, for God's sake. The man has an international reputation for having a brilliant diplomatic mind. He's published several books and essays ... he's overseen thrid-world countries transitioning from dictatorships to representative democracy ... he has worked with the UN to rid oppressive governments of human rights violations. And you say his support is tainted because he had a mediocre presidency? You compare him to Ford?
To use your logic, (and assuming I didn't already find Bush's record less than wonderful): our current president lost his first election, a bid for Congress. I mean, how can we let that loser even show his face in the White House?! His reputation is worthless.
[ January 14, 2004, 06:01 PM: Message edited by: araanib ]
Carter was a pretty bad president; not as bad as the current one, not as crooked as Nixon, not as ineffectual on the economy as H W (who did win the First Gulf War), and he did get Egypt and Israel to sign a peace accord, but compared to Reagan, Clinton, Johnson, Eisenhower, Truman, and FDR, to name about the last 10 or so, and the abbreviated presidency of John F. Kennedy, he's in the lower tiers. Ford's presidency was basically a mirage so I don't count him--BTW, what is he doing these days? Playing golf in his wheelchair?
Personally, I like to see H W speak out more, maybe take his son by the ear and jawbone him a bit about his lying. But then a lot of what W's up to is to make up for H W's failures, so he really has to keep his mouth shut. Reagan isn't mentally sound enough to comment, though I think if he were he'd be in W's corner--well, for many things, except maybe the fiscal policy. So there's really no senior Republicans to offer W any counsel--except the Dark Star people around him, who are determined to push through their extremist agenda even if it runs the country into the ground.
Back to Dean--it looks like the situation is fluctuating in both Iowa and New Hampshire, and Kerry and Edwards are both gaining in the former state, while Clark is coming on strong in the latter. In Illinois, 48% of polled voters said they did not want to re-elect W but he still defeated Dean or any other Democrat named.
Personally, I like to see H W speak out more, maybe take his son by the ear and jawbone him a bit about his lying. But then a lot of what W's up to is to make up for H W's failures, so he really has to keep his mouth shut. Reagan isn't mentally sound enough to comment, though I think if he were he'd be in W's corner--well, for many things, except maybe the fiscal policy. So there's really no senior Republicans to offer W any counsel--except the Dark Star people around him, who are determined to push through their extremist agenda even if it runs the country into the ground.
Back to Dean--it looks like the situation is fluctuating in both Iowa and New Hampshire, and Kerry and Edwards are both gaining in the former state, while Clark is coming on strong in the latter. In Illinois, 48% of polled voters said they did not want to re-elect W but he still defeated Dean or any other Democrat named.
Well, now Senator Carol Mosely Braun is announcing (tomorrow) that she is dropping out and will endorse Howard Dean. The parade of endorsers for Dean continues.
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MIB:
Damn, RZ! I was cracking up at that one, I must admit. Good one.
Glad you enjoyed MIB, carry on!
Damn, RZ! I was cracking up at that one, I must admit. Good one.
Given recent press for all the other candidates and the scrutiny, I'm beginning to wonder if Dean will even win this nomination. I hope he does, but he's going to come out of it pretty damaged. Of course, if anyone else wins, the damage will be done in the general election.
I thought it was "Tally ho," Raze. Or is that PF's trademark?
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AP--George W. Bush's political managers in California were stunned last week when a Republican statewide poll by Adam D. Probolsky showed a 15 percentage point lead among likely voters by the president against Democrat Howard Dean.
The poll shows 50.9 percent for Bush to 35.4 percent for Dean in a state widely considered hopeless for the president. Probolsky gave Bush the edge over Dean even among women, 46.8 percent to 38.5 percent.
Those findings boost claims by investment banker Gerald Parsky, who heads Bush's 2004 California campaign, that Democrats could lose the state essential for their national chances. Republican campaign strategists generally argue that Bush will enjoy a landslide if he wins the nation's most populous state, obviating the need for a special effort in California.
The poll shows 50.9 percent for Bush to 35.4 percent for Dean in a state widely considered hopeless for the president. Probolsky gave Bush the edge over Dean even among women, 46.8 percent to 38.5 percent.
Those findings boost claims by investment banker Gerald Parsky, who heads Bush's 2004 California campaign, that Democrats could lose the state essential for their national chances. Republican campaign strategists generally argue that Bush will enjoy a landslide if he wins the nation's most populous state, obviating the need for a special effort in California.
[ January 19, 2004, 12:40 AM: Message edited by: MIB ]
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MIB:
I thought it was \"Tally ho,\" Raze. Or is that PF's trademark?
PF and I share "tally ho" along with our love for the Cowboys.I thought it was \"Tally ho,\" Raze. Or is that PF's trademark?
Carry on!
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