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Alan Keyes, the Republican candidate for a vacant U.S. Senate seat in Illinois, said Tuesday that Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter Mary is a \"selfish hedonist\" because she is a lesbian.
Raze, how does it go? "Inclusion wins!" 
Full Version: Alan Keyes attacks Cheney's daughter
Nice big tent in that Grand Ol' Party, huh?
More of a selfish hedonist than Rep. Schrock? 
Keyes is a lunatic, the GOP are absolutely mad to have him running, desperate as they may have been after Mr Seven-of-Nine pulled out.
Keyes is a lunatic, the GOP are absolutely mad to have him running, desperate as they may have been after Mr Seven-of-Nine pulled out.
calling Keyes a lunatic is insulting to all other lunatics
Are there a lot of selfless, altruistic hedonists out there? This is a new one for me...
Keyes is awesome. We should praise him. He has the balls to say what most of them think. The rest have the sense to dress it up in talk of defending traditional marriage and other bs. He's too honest a man to hide his anti-gay animus.
Good for him. And good for us. If only the people who wrote the GOP platform that called for a constitutional amendment against same sex marriage AND also opposed civil unions and domestic partnerships were so honest about what drives them.
The liberal media should put him front and center on every talk show that exists to show the country the true face of the Republican party on the gay issue.
Good for him. And good for us. If only the people who wrote the GOP platform that called for a constitutional amendment against same sex marriage AND also opposed civil unions and domestic partnerships were so honest about what drives them.
The liberal media should put him front and center on every talk show that exists to show the country the true face of the Republican party on the gay issue.
Working within keeps on working! The curtain has been pulled off of the true thinking of this fake convention.
The curtain has been pulled off of the true thinking of this fake convention.
Amen, TomFord!
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TomFord:
The liberal media should put him front and center on every talk show that exists to show the country the true face of the Republican party on the gay issue.
Exactly. "Inclusion wins" only if they practice it. But it's wishful thinking at best as long as Tim La Haye & Co. are setting the social issues agenda. eek!
The liberal media should put him front and center on every talk show that exists to show the country the true face of the Republican party on the gay issue.
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KeyWest Guy:
Nice big tent in that Grand Ol' Party, huh?
Yeah, thats it! Nice big tent in that Grand Ol' Party, huh?
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Alan Keyes, the Republican candidate for a vacant U.S. Senate seat in Illinois, said Tuesday that Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter Mary is a \"selfish hedonist\" because she is a lesbian.
Raze, how does it go? \"Inclusion wins!\" Here's what its "won" them:
**In their own words**
"The Republican Party Platform is an outrageous insult to all of us and our families."
“It’s absolutely outrageous, their language goes far beyond what even the president has asked for. This is an insult to fair-minded Republicans,”
"The party platform turns back the clock, going further than the 2000 platform, putting the party on the wrong side of the majority of Americans."
"Gays and lesbians should support an inclusive Republican Party, not a Republican Party that marginalizes them."
Good job guys!!! Keep it up!!
Oh, and then havent decided whether to endorse Bush yet....that's showing him.
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Exactly. \"Inclusion wins\" only if they practice it. But it's wishful thinking at best as long as Tim La Haye & Co. are setting the social issues agenda.
Would that be the same Mr. LaHaye whose wife Beverly co-founded the Concerned Women for America? Yes it is.Would that be the same Mr. LaHaye whose son Lee, CFO of Concerned Women for America, is a man-loving homo? Yes it is. blogactive info on Lee LeHaye - scroll down to see
Hate is not a family value, but apparently hypocrisy is.
Yeah, I'm a Republican so I'm automatically a real bigot. f**k you all.
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William1865:
Yeah, I'm a Republican so I'm automatically a real bigot.
Wow, that's the first truthful thing I've ever read from you. And, regarding the "f**k you all" part, I believe that's the Republican's response to you, if I'm not mistaken.Yeah, I'm a Republican so I'm automatically a real bigot.
And, great post TomFord. I was thinking the exact same thing.
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William1865:
Yeah, I'm a Republican so I'm automatically a real bigot. f**k you all.
Wow. Looks like Willie has had it with us all. Yeah, I'm a Republican so I'm automatically a real bigot. f**k you all.
If a party talks like a bigot and passes platforms like a bigot...well...I guess it's pretty obvious.
Watch out for the pop-up for the online dating service.
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William1865:
Yeah, I'm a Republican so I'm automatically a real bigot. f**k you all.
No, you're automatically a painfully deluded outsider in the party you wish to consider your own. You're a marginalized outcast who is only worth your vote, not your humanity. You don't like what the Republican party has to say about you, be something else. If being a Republican is that important to who you are, then you're stuck with people thinking you're stupid.
Yeah, I'm a Republican so I'm automatically a real bigot. f**k you all.
William, I'd likely be a Republican if Republicans of today were what they should be.
I am all about fiscal responsibility, ballanced budgets
I am all about Gun rights
I am for smaller government, and more State control
I love lower taxes, but only if it doesn't bring about deficits
I am moderate in my views on abortion and the death penalty
I feel Civil Unions are the appropriate next step toward Marriage
These guys that are in control and up for office are not true Republicans. You can't vote for them and hope they change, we need to send them back to Texas or wherever they are from and let them lick thier wounds and hopefully learn a lesson. As long as they are in power they will feel like they have a mandate to do thier radical bidding, as long as LCR keeps endorsing and voting for them, the LCR will be looked at as the group with "Abused Wife Syndrome"- beat them up, it's OK, they always come back!
[ September 01, 2004, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: Denver Fan ]
I am all about fiscal responsibility, ballanced budgets
I am all about Gun rights
I am for smaller government, and more State control
I love lower taxes, but only if it doesn't bring about deficits
I am moderate in my views on abortion and the death penalty
I feel Civil Unions are the appropriate next step toward Marriage
These guys that are in control and up for office are not true Republicans. You can't vote for them and hope they change, we need to send them back to Texas or wherever they are from and let them lick thier wounds and hopefully learn a lesson. As long as they are in power they will feel like they have a mandate to do thier radical bidding, as long as LCR keeps endorsing and voting for them, the LCR will be looked at as the group with "Abused Wife Syndrome"- beat them up, it's OK, they always come back!
[ September 01, 2004, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: Denver Fan ]
I think it shows that the repug party does have a big tent. After all, they include gay bashers (Keyes and countless others) and those who don't necessarily bash (like Go f**k Yourself Chenney) while the Democrats don't include the bashers. Now I see what they mean...
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CPT_Doom:
Would that be the same Mr. LaHaye whose son Lee, CFO of Concerned Women for America, is a man-loving homo? Yes it is. blogactive info on Lee LeHaye - scroll down to see
Hate is not a family value, but apparently hypocrisy is.
Is this for real?Would that be the same Mr. LaHaye whose son Lee, CFO of Concerned Women for America, is a man-loving homo? Yes it is. blogactive info on Lee LeHaye - scroll down to see
Hate is not a family value, but apparently hypocrisy is.
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Considering that the Chief Financial Officer of Concerned Women for America, Lee LaHaye is himself an openly gay man, you have to wonder why they continue to bash gays. How bad can gays be if CWA trusts its $12 MILLION 2003 budget to Lee? Oh, If Lee's name sounds familiar, it's because Lee is the son of Beverly and Tim LaHaye, two of the most noted anti-gay characters in the country. I wasn't quite sure how to recognize the extraordinary achievements of Lee and his gang over at CWA, A Roy Cohn Award just didn't seem like enough. That's when I remembered I had a picture of J. Edgar Hoover's grave at Congressional Cemetery in DC. The picture was taken during the 1993 March on Washington -- The dress, purse and triangles were there long before the days of Photoshop -- aside from the photo credit and website, the picture is exactly as I saw it. So, without further delay, blogACTIVE presents the J. Edgar Hoover Award to Lee LaHaye of Concerned Women for America for simultaneously working to destroy the progress of gay and lesbian Americans while living an openly gay life.
After reading Anything But Straight (advertised in the same blog), I thought nothing could surprise me, but ... eek! eek! eek!
Here from the Drudge:
Lesbian daughter Mary missing from on-stage family photo op after dad's speech...
Can't have a crazed hedonist sinner fouling up the convention. Maybe they can make her disapear completely.
Lesbian daughter Mary missing from on-stage family photo op after dad's speech...
Can't have a crazed hedonist sinner fouling up the convention. Maybe they can make her disapear completely.
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William1865:
Yeah, I'm a Republican so I'm automatically a real bigot. f**k you all.
We dont need to f**k you, your party is doing a great job of that.
Yeah, I'm a Republican so I'm automatically a real bigot. f**k you all.
I can understand why there are gay Republicans--sexual orientation does not pre determine ideology or stances on issues of public affairs. However I cannot understand why any self respecting gay man or lesbian woman voting for Bush/Cheney this year in light of the Federal Marriage Amendment and the language in this year's GOP platform. If they can't bring themselves to vote for Kerry, fine. But to support Bush/Cheney is akin to those Blacks who collaborated with the National Party in Apartheid era South Africa. If I were a Gay Republican who could not stomach voting for Kerry I would vote for the Libertarian Party to register my protest and disgust at a party that feels I'm unfit to marry someone I love or enter into any sort of legal contract with the man I love. As for those Gay Republicans who are going out to vote for and work for Bush/Cheney, I wish you the best in your battle with self loathing and your perverse self satisfaction in your third class status both in this country and within the political party to whom you pledge your undying loyalty.
Charcas, I wrote a very similar post to yours a couple of months ago (right down to the analogy, except mine involved a black man voting for a segregationist Strom Thurmond). But after some reflection, I now realize that its not worth trying to debate gay Republicans on this issue. They either see it, or they don't. The illogic of voting for a group that doesn't want you is so obvious that no amount of dialogue will change hearts or minds (notice how many of the gay republicans on this board throw insults at their left-leaning brethren, calling them lemmings, instead of actively addressing the Republican party's distain for the GLBT community). So the change has to come from within--no one else can give a gay republican the self-respect or self-worth necessary to break from the party this year.
And before I'm called a lemming too, my politics are pretty malleable--I look at the best solution for a situation, whether liberal or conservative.
And before I'm called a lemming too, my politics are pretty malleable--I look at the best solution for a situation, whether liberal or conservative.
Dear all, what do you think Obama's winning margin in Illinois will be this fall? 60-40? 70-30? 80-20? Will even 20% of Republicans in Illinois vote for Keyes? Did he think that attacking the VP's daughter was going to win him new supporters in Illinois? And once he loses badly, where will he skulk off to? Back to Maryland?
After his futile campaign in Illinois and the attack on Mary Cheney, does he really think he could win even a local office in Maryland? Could we perhaps persuade Kerry et. al. to send him over to Iraq as a mines inspector or something useful like that? With "God" on his side, he'd surely be safe, right?
After his futile campaign in Illinois and the attack on Mary Cheney, does he really think he could win even a local office in Maryland? Could we perhaps persuade Kerry et. al. to send him over to Iraq as a mines inspector or something useful like that? With "God" on his side, he'd surely be safe, right?
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Denver Fan
I am all about fiscal responsibility, ballanced budgets
I am all about Gun rights
I am for smaller government, and more State control
I love lower taxes, but only if it doesn't bring about deficits
....
The few, the proud, the Libertarians.I am all about fiscal responsibility, ballanced budgets
I am all about Gun rights
I am for smaller government, and more State control
I love lower taxes, but only if it doesn't bring about deficits
....
Don't blame me; I voted for Harry Browne in 1996.
Feel the Hate
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The convention opened with an invocation by Sheri Dew, a Mormon publisher and activist. Early rumors were that the invocation would be given by Jerry Falwell, who suggested just after 9/11 that the attack was God's punishment for the activities of the A.C.L.U. and People for the American Way, among others. But Ms. Dew is no more moderate: earlier this year she likened opposition to gay marriage to opposition to Hitler.
Google for Sheri Dew
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twin58:
Google for Sheri Dew
... and you'll get this (predictably) long-winded article from a Mormon magazine called Meridian:Google for Sheri Dew
Defenders of the Faith
Here's the quote (which follows several paragraphs about a magazine article on gay marriage and gay parents that she found \"distressing\"):
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This escalating situation reminds me of a statement of a World War II journalist by the name of Dorothy Thompson who wrote for the Saturday Evening Post in Europe during the pre-World War II years when Hitler was building up his armies and starting to take ground. In an address she delivered in Toronto in 1941 she said this: “Before this epic is over, every living human being will have chosen. Every living human being will have lined up with Hitler or against him. Every living human being either will have opposed this onslaught or supported it, for if he tries to make no choice that in itself will be a choice. If he takes no side, he is on Hitler’s side. If he does not act, that is an act—for Hitler.”
May I take the liberty of reading this statement again and changing just a few words, applying it to what I fear we face today? “Before this era is over, every living human being will have chosen. Every living human being will have lined up in support of the family or against it. Every living human being will have either opposed the onslaught against the family or supported it, for if he tries to make no choice that in itself will be a choice. If we do not act in behalf of the family, that is itself an act of opposition to the family.”
[Emphasis added:]At first it may seem a bit extreme to imply a comparison between the atrocities of Hitler and what is happening in terms of contemporary threats against the family — but maybe not. I just turned 50 years old, and I have never married. That was not my intention, and it has not been my choice. When someone asks me why I have never married, the simple and truthful answer is that nobody has ever asked me. Nonetheless, when I speak about the family, I have a deep, profound and abiding belief that the family is absolutely ordained of God, that it is part of His plan for His children, that marriage is supposed to be between a male and a female, and that children deserve to be born to and raised by two parents, father and mother. That is the ideal.
And yeah, that's how the Religious Right (our president's "base") really thinks. They see us as evil. Not lost or misguided or needing help of some kind, but evil. That's why they want to amend the Consitutition. That's why the prospect of gay marriage is a "national emergency" in W's eyes. They see us as evil.May I take the liberty of reading this statement again and changing just a few words, applying it to what I fear we face today? “Before this era is over, every living human being will have chosen. Every living human being will have lined up in support of the family or against it. Every living human being will have either opposed the onslaught against the family or supported it, for if he tries to make no choice that in itself will be a choice. If we do not act in behalf of the family, that is itself an act of opposition to the family.”
[Emphasis added:]At first it may seem a bit extreme to imply a comparison between the atrocities of Hitler and what is happening in terms of contemporary threats against the family — but maybe not. I just turned 50 years old, and I have never married. That was not my intention, and it has not been my choice. When someone asks me why I have never married, the simple and truthful answer is that nobody has ever asked me. Nonetheless, when I speak about the family, I have a deep, profound and abiding belief that the family is absolutely ordained of God, that it is part of His plan for His children, that marriage is supposed to be between a male and a female, and that children deserve to be born to and raised by two parents, father and mother. That is the ideal.
"Compassionate"? You decide.
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danimal:
[Emphasis added:]At first it may seem a bit extreme to imply a comparison between the atrocities of Hitler and what is happening in terms of contemporary threats against the family — but maybe not. I just turned 50 years old, and I have never married. That was not my intention, and it has not been my choice. When someone asks me why I have never married, the simple and truthful answer is that nobody has ever asked me.
There's probably a very, very good reason for that....
[Emphasis added:]At first it may seem a bit extreme to imply a comparison between the atrocities of Hitler and what is happening in terms of contemporary threats against the family — but maybe not. I just turned 50 years old, and I have never married. That was not my intention, and it has not been my choice. When someone asks me why I have never married, the simple and truthful answer is that nobody has ever asked me.
William
If you're gay, and a republican, no, it doesn't automatically make you a bigot
It makes you an uncle Tom. Who'd sell out your own kind to keep a fascist in power..
"And when they come for you, who will be there to defend you?"
If you're gay, and a republican, no, it doesn't automatically make you a bigot
It makes you an uncle Tom. Who'd sell out your own kind to keep a fascist in power..
"And when they come for you, who will be there to defend you?"
Waaaay too broad a brush, LKS! You've been listening to Barney Frank's speechifying too long. What about gay GOPers who work for gay rights? Are we UT's too? I'm starting to think you just don't understand American politics - or the infinite variety of Americans - very well.
any gay person period who votes for Bush is an UT
what ever happened to the Republican Party that wanted to keep government out of the bedroom as well as the board room?
what ever happened to the Republican Party that wanted to keep government out of the bedroom as well as the board room?
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theodoresdaddy:
what ever happened to the Republican Party that wanted to keep government out of the bedroom as well as the board room?
I think that died when Nelson Rockefeller croaked in his office while bangin' his secretary.
what ever happened to the Republican Party that wanted to keep government out of the bedroom as well as the board room?
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theodoresdaddy:
...what ever happened to the Republican Party that wanted to keep government out of the bedroom as well as the board room?
It lost its way when people stopped working within to keep it true to its roots and took easier ways "out." But "We'll be back. We'll ALL be back!"*...what ever happened to the Republican Party that wanted to keep government out of the bedroom as well as the board room?
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*Leslie Howard in "Pimpernel Smith"
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gmginsfo:
OK, everybody back into the closet so the GOP can be true to it's roots. QUOTE
theodoresdaddy:
...what ever happened to the Republican Party that wanted to keep government out of the bedroom as well as the board room?
It lost its way when people stopped working within to keep it true to its roots and took easier ways \"out.\" ...what ever happened to the Republican Party that wanted to keep government out of the bedroom as well as the board room?
"Out" of sight, "out" of your frickin mind.But if you come out again, you're toast.
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Denver Fan:
William, I'd likely be a Republican if Republicans of today were what they should be.
I am all about fiscal responsibility, ballanced budgets
I am all about Gun rights
I am for smaller government, and more State control
I love lower taxes, but only if it doesn't bring about deficits
I am moderate in my views on abortion and the death penalty
I feel Civil Unions are the appropriate next step toward Marriage
These guys that are in control and up for office are not true Republicans. You can't vote for them and hope they change, we need to send them back to Texas or wherever they are from and let them lick thier wounds and hopefully learn a lesson. As long as they are in power they will feel like they have a mandate to do thier radical bidding, as long as LCR keeps endorsing and voting for them, the LCR will be looked at as the group with \"Abused Wife Syndrome\"- beat them up, it's OK, they always come back!
APPLAUSE!!!!! - Great Post Denver Fan!!!William, I'd likely be a Republican if Republicans of today were what they should be.
I am all about fiscal responsibility, ballanced budgets
I am all about Gun rights
I am for smaller government, and more State control
I love lower taxes, but only if it doesn't bring about deficits
I am moderate in my views on abortion and the death penalty
I feel Civil Unions are the appropriate next step toward Marriage
These guys that are in control and up for office are not true Republicans. You can't vote for them and hope they change, we need to send them back to Texas or wherever they are from and let them lick thier wounds and hopefully learn a lesson. As long as they are in power they will feel like they have a mandate to do thier radical bidding, as long as LCR keeps endorsing and voting for them, the LCR will be looked at as the group with \"Abused Wife Syndrome\"- beat them up, it's OK, they always come back!
Bring Back the Party of Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Eisenhower!
One note - Civil Unions - I am sorry but the concept disgusts me: it places gays in Limbo - sort of like DADT. A much better idea is to have Government TOTALLY out of the Marriage Bus. Marriage should be a solemn religious institution between two loving partners - but it is just that - Primarily a RELIGIOUS committment. Government should not have ANY control over a Religious action (Anyone ever hear of the seperation of Church and State).
If Government wishes to reward certain types of personal behavior - the procreation of rug rats for example - then give tax advantages or find some other way to encourage that behavior. The point is that Government should stop meddling in Religion.
Rob
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gmginsfo:
Waaaay too broad a brush, LKS! You've been listening to Barney Frank's speechifying too long. What about gay GOPers who work for gay rights? Are we UT's too? I'm starting to think you just don't understand American politics - or the infinite variety of Americans - very well.
A Gay GOP'er who works for gay rights seems like a bit of an oxymoron to me. The current Republican party will never agree to it. Maybe with a seismic shift in their leadership tho.Waaaay too broad a brush, LKS! You've been listening to Barney Frank's speechifying too long. What about gay GOPers who work for gay rights? Are we UT's too? I'm starting to think you just don't understand American politics - or the infinite variety of Americans - very well.
As for the "infinite" variety of Americans, that's all well and good, but if you're gay, and working for the enemy, then you're an outing target.
I spent too many years dealing with having my lover murdered, then being badly beaten myself about 6 years later, (broken eye socket, jaw etc), to think that having sex with another man and then crawling back into the closet works.
And by the way. The guy who bashed me came out of the closet a few years later. And died in the late 80's of Aids.
And no, my lovers murderers were never caught.
Like I said, if you;re gay, you should be out.
Meanwhile, Equality Illinois, the state's leading gay civil rights group, blasts Keyes' comments about Mary C. (emphasis added).
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\"Alan Keyes remarks about gay people, once again, demonstrate that he is a hateful extremist who will say anything to get media attention and, in fact, Dr. Keyes is a case study in hedonism. His primary concern is not his party, the state of Illinois or the common good in America. His primary concern is promoting himself,\" said Rick Garcia, director of Equality Illinois. \"He should be ashamed but bigots, hate-mongers and the self-absorbed seldom are.\"
\"Dr. Keyes continues to put forth lies, myths and stereotypes about gay and lesbian people and our families. He is either completely ignorant on the topic of homosexuality or he knows better but chooses to lie and defame gay and lesbian Americans and our families,\" charged Garcia.
...
\"I'm asking Dr. Keyes to go to the Church of St. Francis of Assisi in Manhattan - the church of Franciscan Father Mychal Judge who died administering last rites to a firefighter at the World Trade Center on September 11 and see the shrine memorializing Fr. Judge and the other victims,\" Garcia said.
...
\"I want Alan Keyes to look at Father Judge's image and hear his story so that he can see clearly the 'selfish hedonism' of a gay man,\" Garcia said.
See here for full statement.
\"Dr. Keyes continues to put forth lies, myths and stereotypes about gay and lesbian people and our families. He is either completely ignorant on the topic of homosexuality or he knows better but chooses to lie and defame gay and lesbian Americans and our families,\" charged Garcia.
...
\"I'm asking Dr. Keyes to go to the Church of St. Francis of Assisi in Manhattan - the church of Franciscan Father Mychal Judge who died administering last rites to a firefighter at the World Trade Center on September 11 and see the shrine memorializing Fr. Judge and the other victims,\" Garcia said.
...
\"I want Alan Keyes to look at Father Judge's image and hear his story so that he can see clearly the 'selfish hedonism' of a gay man,\" Garcia said.
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