Gee, the title of this thread will draw a lot of interest here, eh?
I don't normally watch psycho gay-hating O'Reilly, but sometimes stop there for a few minutes while flipping channels. I think his show is a total farce, a big lie (that no-spin crap), and a shameful excuse for a primetime show.
Lately I've heard a few less-than-positive comments about Bush coming from the Billster, mainly about what he calls the WMD "debacle". Last night the psycho was calling for the immediate arrest of the San Francisco mayor while interviewing Fox's "senior judicial analyst" (who, by the way, said there were no grounds for an arrest, much to O'Reilly's dismay).
At the end of the interview O'R made a surprisingly negative Bush comment: Expressing disappointment that Bush hasn't intervened to stop the gay marriages in SF, he said Bush will "do what he always does: Approach it with caution, then do whatever will get him the most votes." eek! And yet surprisingly - not! - that comment is not posted on FoxNews.com's transcript of the interview.
Oh I don't know - I just thought that was an interesting comment coming from O'Reilly. Of course what it really means is that Bush isn't nearly far enough to the Right for O'R.
May not generate a lot of comments in this thread, but for what it's worth...
Full Version: Bill O'Reilly & Bush
He sounds like one of the conservatives that has really been *issed off by Shrub. Lke you Max, I will occasionally listen to a minute or two of his nightly tirade then move on.
you're right. as I said in that thread about Bush pissing off conservatives, there are many conservatives disappointed with many things W has done as well as many things he has NOT done.
a conservative complaint of a different nature also exists. You see... Despite what Phillyfan and William1776 would have you believe, not every conservative was in favour of the Iraqi war and certainly wasn't convinced of the proof being presented for the war. I believe Robert Novak was one of these. I could be wrong.
anyway..... these conservatives who were not convinced of the rationale are pissed and many other conservatives (after seeing the lack of WMD findings and the utterly sophomoric spin sessions of the White House) have also become greatly disillusioned with W. and remember, oncve you lose credibility, that credibility gap will cause people to question EVERY SINGLE THING about you.
It seems like O'reilly falls into the latter group.
I do watch him. For one, he's much better than Paula Zahn (Barbie/Ice-queen does news) and two.... you should always hear what those who disagree have to say. Whether you're in the left or right politically, it's never good to stay in an echo chamber.
a conservative complaint of a different nature also exists. You see... Despite what Phillyfan and William1776 would have you believe, not every conservative was in favour of the Iraqi war and certainly wasn't convinced of the proof being presented for the war. I believe Robert Novak was one of these. I could be wrong.
anyway..... these conservatives who were not convinced of the rationale are pissed and many other conservatives (after seeing the lack of WMD findings and the utterly sophomoric spin sessions of the White House) have also become greatly disillusioned with W. and remember, oncve you lose credibility, that credibility gap will cause people to question EVERY SINGLE THING about you.
It seems like O'reilly falls into the latter group.
I do watch him. For one, he's much better than Paula Zahn (Barbie/Ice-queen does news) and two.... you should always hear what those who disagree have to say. Whether you're in the left or right politically, it's never good to stay in an echo chamber.
UNG watching Faux news? GOOD GOD MAN, they are going to take your "I love CNN" shirt away.
That explains the cold weather and snow in the desert.
That explains the cold weather and snow in the desert.
It's been fun watching O'Reilly have kittens because Hillary Clinton's book sold more than his did.
O'Reilly is SO two years ago.
O'Reilly is SO two years ago.
Phillyfan.. SHUT UP!!! 
anyway... as I told you many times before, I watch Fauxnews on a regular basis. (you weren't listening when I said that. you were too caught up listening to Rumsfeld explain where the WMDs are exactly)
anyway..... What's this "I love CNN" rigamarole? I do watch CNN. But I certainly don't have a hard-on for it. especially since my ......
anyway... as I told you many times before, I watch Fauxnews on a regular basis. (you weren't listening when I said that. you were too caught up listening to Rumsfeld explain where the WMDs are exactly)
anyway..... What's this "I love CNN" rigamarole? I do watch CNN. But I certainly don't have a hard-on for it. especially since my ......
i'm a bit worried when anyone says CNN and sex in the same post... Very very worried.
and i'm sure you have both the Tshirt and sweatshirt for cold days.
and i'm sure you have both the Tshirt and sweatshirt for cold days.
actually.. for me .. CNN and sex DO go hand in hand... so to speak.
and T-shirt.. yes. But no sweatshirt. I do have the briefcase, backpack and other assorted paraphernalia though.
and worry not about the cold days mein schadenfreudekinder. We're not getting the snow that Dallas and other southern places are getting.
[ February 17, 2004, 09:44 AM: Message edited by: ung ]
and T-shirt.. yes. But no sweatshirt. I do have the briefcase, backpack and other assorted paraphernalia though.
and worry not about the cold days mein schadenfreudekinder. We're not getting the snow that Dallas and other southern places are getting.
[ February 17, 2004, 09:44 AM: Message edited by: ung ]
You should know better than to bring up the hated city of Dallas... it should freeze over and they all should die... but just my opinion.
A big test will be if O'Reilly will cover Larry Flynt's latest assertion.
Apparently, Flynt has all the proof that in the early '70's, Bush Jr paid for an ex-girlfriends abortion, and has the doc, friends etc all lined up in a row.
Will O'Reilly cover it? methinks not at first, but if the story has legs, he'll find a way to blame it on Hillary Clinton.
Apparently, Flynt has all the proof that in the early '70's, Bush Jr paid for an ex-girlfriends abortion, and has the doc, friends etc all lined up in a row.
Will O'Reilly cover it? methinks not at first, but if the story has legs, he'll find a way to blame it on Hillary Clinton.
Philly,
from what I've heard, you're too cute to be so bitter.
Loosen up! Unclench that anal iris. wink
from what I've heard, you're too cute to be so bitter.
Loosen up! Unclench that anal iris. wink
For a blurb on it, check out Salon.com
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ung:
Philly,
from what I've heard, you're too cute to be so bitter.
Loosen up! Unclench that anal iris. wink
Maybe Philly can teach some people I know HOW to clench.Philly,
from what I've heard, you're too cute to be so bitter.
Loosen up! Unclench that anal iris. wink
and exactly who would be gossiping about me? HUH?
Nothing wrong with hating the city of dallas.. dont forget raze lives there...
Nothing wrong with hating the city of dallas.. dont forget raze lives there...
DALLAS! DALLAS! DALLAS! DALLAS! DALLAS! DALLAS!
There, I just had to do it.
Last night, one of the letterwriters called Mr. O a homophobic racist and he didn't respond at all. He doesn't usually respond to truisms, anyway. And, yes, I will watch Faux News on occasion...how else do you stay educated on the issues unless you deviate to the dark side every once in a while?
There, I just had to do it.
Last night, one of the letterwriters called Mr. O a homophobic racist and he didn't respond at all. He doesn't usually respond to truisms, anyway. And, yes, I will watch Faux News on occasion...how else do you stay educated on the issues unless you deviate to the dark side every once in a while?
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bobby78751
[QB] DALLAS! DALLAS! DALLAS! DALLAS! DALLAS! DALLAS!
Can someone clue me in please? I like Dallas and I'm from Houston....our 2 cities don't get along too well to be honest, but I've always enjoyed my visits there. :confused: [QB] DALLAS! DALLAS! DALLAS! DALLAS! DALLAS! DALLAS!
O'Reilly isn't as big a gay basher as some of you might think.....he is certainly not on "our side" but I've heard him make some supportive remarks in the past as well.
I suppose y'all have seen this site huh?
http://www.fauxnewschannel.com/
NJ
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maxallen:
Lately I've heard a few less-than-positive comments about Bush coming from the Billster, mainly about what he calls the WMD \"debacle\". Last night the psycho was calling for the immediate arrest of the San Francisco mayor while interviewing Fox's \"senior judicial analyst\" (who, by the way, said there were no grounds for an arrest, much to O'Reilly's dismay).
At the end of the interview O'R made a surprisingly negative Bush comment: Expressing disappointment that Bush hasn't intervened to stop the gay marriages in SF, he said Bush will \"do what he always does: Approach it with caution, then do whatever will get him the most votes.\" eek! And yet surprisingly - not! - that comment is not posted on FoxNews.com's transcript of the interview.
Oh I don't know - I just thought that was an interesting comment coming from O'Reilly. Of course what it really means is that Bush isn't nearly far enough to the Right for O'R.
May not generate a lot of comments in this thread, but for what it's worth...
Point of fact: He was referring to Governor Arnold and NOT President Bush. O'Reilly more than once criticized Arnold for not having Newsom arrested. Bush has no authority to have Newsom arrested for a state matter.Lately I've heard a few less-than-positive comments about Bush coming from the Billster, mainly about what he calls the WMD \"debacle\". Last night the psycho was calling for the immediate arrest of the San Francisco mayor while interviewing Fox's \"senior judicial analyst\" (who, by the way, said there were no grounds for an arrest, much to O'Reilly's dismay).
At the end of the interview O'R made a surprisingly negative Bush comment: Expressing disappointment that Bush hasn't intervened to stop the gay marriages in SF, he said Bush will \"do what he always does: Approach it with caution, then do whatever will get him the most votes.\" eek! And yet surprisingly - not! - that comment is not posted on FoxNews.com's transcript of the interview.
Oh I don't know - I just thought that was an interesting comment coming from O'Reilly. Of course what it really means is that Bush isn't nearly far enough to the Right for O'R.
May not generate a lot of comments in this thread, but for what it's worth...
[ February 17, 2004, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
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Lksimcoe:
A big test will be if O'Reilly will cover Larry Flynt's latest assertion.
Apparently, Flynt has all the proof that in the early '70's, Bush Jr paid for an ex-girlfriends abortion, and has the doc, friends etc all lined up in a row.
Will O'Reilly cover it? methinks not at first, but if the story has legs, he'll find a way to blame it on Hillary Clinton.
Isn't it interesting that this "story" suddenly pops up after rocker Moby suggested liberals go to pro-life web sites and spread rumors about Bush paying for and taking someone to get an abortion when he was younger?A big test will be if O'Reilly will cover Larry Flynt's latest assertion.
Apparently, Flynt has all the proof that in the early '70's, Bush Jr paid for an ex-girlfriends abortion, and has the doc, friends etc all lined up in a row.
Will O'Reilly cover it? methinks not at first, but if the story has legs, he'll find a way to blame it on Hillary Clinton.
Kerry is rumored to have an affair with an intern, some confirm it but the girl in question "denies" it, and you guys are all screaming conspiracy, lies, etc. Yet you're here touting this BS story of Bush and a girl's abortion.
Oh! The hypocrisy!
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MIB:
Point of fact: He was referring to Governor Arnold and NOT President Bush. O'Reilly more than once criticized Arnold for not having Newsom arrested. Bush has no authority to have Newsom arrested for a state matter.
I'm not so sure about that. Most of the interview was about the the guv and the mayor, but right at the end they veered of to talking about Bush. I believe they were still talking about Bush when he made the comment about approaching it cautiously and doing whatever would get him the most votes. Point of fact: It's not an election year for Arnold. I don't think he was talking about Arnold approaching it cautiously for the next 2 1/2 years.
Point of fact: He was referring to Governor Arnold and NOT President Bush. O'Reilly more than once criticized Arnold for not having Newsom arrested. Bush has no authority to have Newsom arrested for a state matter.
the abortion story is old news--it was released during the 2000 election
But it's not just a drudged-up rumor according to Larry Flynt. From Lloyd Grove:
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Now the incorrigible Larry Flynt says he plans to market a Bush abortion story as genuine - in a book to be published this summer by Kensington Press. \"This story has got to come out,\" the wheelchair-bound Hustler magazine honcho told the Daily News' Corky Siemaszko. \"There's a lot of hypocrisy in the White House about this whole abortion issue.\"
Flynt claimed that Bush arranged for the [abortion] procedure in the early '70s. \"I've talked to the woman's friends,\" Flynt said. \"I've tracked down the doctor who did the abortion, I tracked down the Bush people who arranged for the abortion,\" Flynt said. \"I got the story nailed.\" Flynt wouldn't disclose whether he plans to name the woman.
Flynt claimed that Bush arranged for the [abortion] procedure in the early '70s. \"I've talked to the woman's friends,\" Flynt said. \"I've tracked down the doctor who did the abortion, I tracked down the Bush people who arranged for the abortion,\" Flynt said. \"I got the story nailed.\" Flynt wouldn't disclose whether he plans to name the woman.
I'm surprised O'Reilly didn't do this sooner -- it boosts his basically non-existent "fair and balanced" cred.
OT:
MIB, do you comment at North Georgia Dogma?
OT:
MIB, do you comment at North Georgia Dogma?
PhillyFan wrote:
You should know better than to bring up the hated city of Dallas... it should freeze over and they all should die... but just my opinion.
Ahh, the clarion sound of truth. The city that killed Kennedy.
Do they have a football team of any note there?
You should know better than to bring up the hated city of Dallas... it should freeze over and they all should die... but just my opinion.
Ahh, the clarion sound of truth. The city that killed Kennedy.
Do they have a football team of any note there?
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Oh! The hypocrisy!
Oh! The tedium! Get a new tune, you're the Free Bird and Stairway to Heaven of this board.As usual, the MIB apples-and-orange approach at work. Drudge tries to do a Monica/Clenis Pt. 2, the only people that really ran with it were Murdoch-owned outlets, it backfires on him because it wasn't true--he couldn't even get a basic fact right, the woman was a reporter, not an intern--and that's that. Even the wingnuts at Free Republic and the other righty blogs know it was a non-story.
Whereas Flynt says he has proof. From Atrios' site (I can't do a direct link, he doesn't have permalinks):
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...just a reminder. Flynt previously floated this story on Crossfire back in '00, and the CNN producers flipped out, started screaming in his ear, and the transcript was removed permanently from their website. Here's what he said:
[ROBERT] NOVAK: Mr. Flynt, never let it be said that we censor any of our guests here on CROSSFIRE, and you said you wanted to talk about the election. Tell me what you wanted to say.
FLYNT: Well, during the impeachment debacle, we did an investigation which resulted in the resignation of Bob Livingston and others and we have continued this investigation and for eight months we've been looking into George W. Bush's background. And we've found out in the early 1970s he was involved in an abortion in Texas, and I just think that it's sad that the mainstream media, who's aware of this story, won't ask him that question when they were able to ask him the drug question without any proof at all, and we've got all kinds of proof on this issue.
NOVAK: Well, you're...
FLYNT: You know, the guy admitted he was a drunk for 20 years, and if the abortion issue is true then that puts him lower on the morality scale than Bill Clinton.
NOVAK: Mr. Flynt, you said if it's true and you have no proof of that. I gather you are a very strong...
FLYNT: The hell we don't have proof.
NOVAK: Sir, I gather you're a very strong Gore supporter. Is that correct?
FLYNT: I'll vote for the lesser of the two evils. I don't like either one of them.
[BILL] PRESS: All Right, Larry Flynt, a man who speaks his word, but we remind you they are Larry Flynt's words and not ours. Larry Flynt, thank you very, very much for joining us.
This was followed by an online chat, in which Flynt went into greater detail:
CNN - Mr. Flynt, I would like to know how you plan to protect yourself from a law suit by claiming to have the goods on GWBush.
Flynt: Because we have them and the truth is an absolute defense.
CNN; When and where are you going to publish information about George W. Bush?
Flynt: When I said that we had the proof, I am referring to knowing who the girl was, knowing who the doctor was that pereformed the abortion, evidence from girlfriends of hers at the time, who knew about the romance and the subsequent abortion. The young lady does not want to go public, and without her willingness, we don't feel that we're on solid enough legal ground to go with the story, because should she say it never happened, then we've got a potential libel suit. But we know we have enough evidence that we believe completely. One of the things that interested us was that this abortion took place before Roe Vs. Wade in 1970, which made it a crime at the time. I'd just like the national media to ask him if abortion is okay for him and his family, but not for the rest of America. We're not looking at it as a big issue, we're looking at it as a situation of people not being told the truth. I think the American people have a right to know everything there is to know about someone running for President.
The name of the woman involved, the Bush operatives involved, the dates, the hospital etc. all that are known. Flynt knows he has to have an airtight case before going public. And hm....Ashcroft just announced another anti-porn drive. Coincidence?[ROBERT] NOVAK: Mr. Flynt, never let it be said that we censor any of our guests here on CROSSFIRE, and you said you wanted to talk about the election. Tell me what you wanted to say.
FLYNT: Well, during the impeachment debacle, we did an investigation which resulted in the resignation of Bob Livingston and others and we have continued this investigation and for eight months we've been looking into George W. Bush's background. And we've found out in the early 1970s he was involved in an abortion in Texas, and I just think that it's sad that the mainstream media, who's aware of this story, won't ask him that question when they were able to ask him the drug question without any proof at all, and we've got all kinds of proof on this issue.
NOVAK: Well, you're...
FLYNT: You know, the guy admitted he was a drunk for 20 years, and if the abortion issue is true then that puts him lower on the morality scale than Bill Clinton.
NOVAK: Mr. Flynt, you said if it's true and you have no proof of that. I gather you are a very strong...
FLYNT: The hell we don't have proof.
NOVAK: Sir, I gather you're a very strong Gore supporter. Is that correct?
FLYNT: I'll vote for the lesser of the two evils. I don't like either one of them.
[BILL] PRESS: All Right, Larry Flynt, a man who speaks his word, but we remind you they are Larry Flynt's words and not ours. Larry Flynt, thank you very, very much for joining us.
This was followed by an online chat, in which Flynt went into greater detail:
CNN - Mr. Flynt, I would like to know how you plan to protect yourself from a law suit by claiming to have the goods on GWBush.
Flynt: Because we have them and the truth is an absolute defense.
CNN; When and where are you going to publish information about George W. Bush?
Flynt: When I said that we had the proof, I am referring to knowing who the girl was, knowing who the doctor was that pereformed the abortion, evidence from girlfriends of hers at the time, who knew about the romance and the subsequent abortion. The young lady does not want to go public, and without her willingness, we don't feel that we're on solid enough legal ground to go with the story, because should she say it never happened, then we've got a potential libel suit. But we know we have enough evidence that we believe completely. One of the things that interested us was that this abortion took place before Roe Vs. Wade in 1970, which made it a crime at the time. I'd just like the national media to ask him if abortion is okay for him and his family, but not for the rest of America. We're not looking at it as a big issue, we're looking at it as a situation of people not being told the truth. I think the American people have a right to know everything there is to know about someone running for President.
If this really is true, it's probably the end of the Bush junta. Shrub doesn't win this year, Jeb is dead in the water and well, Neil's too busy getting herpes from Asian hookers to be a factor in any case. Or are The Twins going to run for office? And if it's true, Bush is also liable for murder charges (as is the woman, which might be why she would be hesitant to come forward). Well, apart from the charges he'll hopefully face at the War Crimes Tribunal at The Hague.
[ February 17, 2004, 07:43 PM: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
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maxallen:
I'm not so sure about that. Most of the interview was about the the guv and the mayor, but right at the end they veered of to talking about Bush.
I happened to catch the late-night rerun and indeed, O'Reilly was referring to Arnold. Bill was whining about how Arnold was too chicken to do anything and that he was strangely silent.I'm not so sure about that. Most of the interview was about the the guv and the mayor, but right at the end they veered of to talking about Bush.
And Jim_Allen, Larry Flynt is NOT a credible source. Furthermore, considering Moby had urged people to actually make up "proof," then Flynt oh-so-coincidentally comes out with this stuff, well...I'd put as much faith in this as the Kerry story. But I'm sure the Dems paid off Kerry's mistress to lie and say she didn't have the affair when it's obvious she did.
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