bobby78751
Jun 28 2005, 07:18 AM
So far only ABC has signed on for the broadcast.
If Fox signs on, hopefully, this crap will be over by the time the "House" repeat is set to air.
QUOTE
Larry Sabato, a political science professor at the University of Virginia, said Monday that it was a tough decision for the network bosses.
\"On the one hand, they recognize if the president actually is going to make substantial news on Iraq, they probably should cover it,\" Sabato said. \"But on the other hand, they realize this White House is famous for constructing political rallies and convincing the networks to cover them with the sole beneficiary being the president, not the American people.\"
The Link [ June 29, 2005, 05:37 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]
aquaman
Jun 28 2005, 07:28 AM
Can't they tape delay it? Tape Bush, go through it looking for news-worthy content, and then air it if it meets the standard? To me, these sudden decisions to hold "fireside chats" by presidents of all stripes strike me as overt political speeches, not news.
bobby78751
Jun 28 2005, 09:24 AM
John Kerry's take on tonight's performance by President Gasman:
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So what should the president say tonight? The first thing he should do is tell the truth to the American people. Happy talk about the insurgency being in \"the last throes\" leads to frustrated expectations at home.
NYT Link?
Torgauer
Jun 28 2005, 09:49 AM
Remember the world before cable when you either had to watch the President of resort to bad UHF reception.
bobby78751
Jun 28 2005, 09:51 AM
QUOTE
Torgauer:
Remember the world before cable when you either had to watch the President of resort to bad UHF reception.
I barely remember life before cable...and I always had VHF channels.
hockeyTom
Jun 28 2005, 09:55 AM
Lets see if he says "Mission Accomplished" again. I for one, will not be watching. Its nothing more than an attempt to inflate his sagging national poll numbers.
bobby78751
Jun 28 2005, 09:57 AM
I will watch...just because I haven't been pissed off, yet, today. Plus, how can I refute the things he says if I hear it only thru a "filter"? Plus, he might start flinging his poo-poo at people.
RazorbackTX
Jun 28 2005, 10:10 AM
Condiliar was on the "Today" show this morning.
If her interview was a preview of things to come its truly pathetic.
She said "freedom was on the march" twice, mentioned 9/11 several times (even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11) she generally put a

on a trainwreck.
This whole effort is not about telling the truth, its about retooling their "marketing"/pr strategy.
illini n milwaukee
Jun 28 2005, 04:49 PM
It is a complete marketing strategy and that's why you've seen hesitation to cover it. And that's saying something considering we're in the middle of summer...not exactly primetime TV.
However, not surprisingly all 3 major networks caved in. Once one picks it up, they usually all do.
I don't believe Fox is covering it though.
The thing is, if this speech is all rhetoric like we've seen the last few days from people around him, I think it could very well worsen things. If Bush isn't upfront, you'll see a LOT of criticism. This is a speech that needs substance if it's going to accomplish something. And from his past, that does not happen.
bobby78751
Jun 28 2005, 05:40 PM
The idiot asks for an hour, all the networks give in and...he speaks for 30 minutes!
Among the low-lights:
He said that if the military leaders on the ground ask for more troops we would send them. In the very next breath, he said that sending more troops would be the wrong thing to do.
He spoke for 25 minutes before the first crowd applause -- not even one applause after his introduction. There were many moments earlier on where applause would have been appropriate...but none happened.
I will need to check the transcript but I believe he mentioned 9/11 five times saying at least once that is when the war against Iraq began.
No mention of WMDs...could that mean there aren't any?????
Of course, he offered up no new plans or ideas of any kind.
He urged Americans to go out and wave the flag on the Fourth of July...what an amazing suggestion -- I don't think anyone has ever done such a thing.
I know the focus of this "speech" was Iraq, but Prez Gasman made no mention of all of the soldiers killed today in the terrible helicopter crash in Afghanistan...I guess that would have brought down the festive mood.
And...how about all of those soldiers picked to be on the stage! All white...and all male. Shouldn't the soldiers on the stage have been representative of the U.S. Army?
Well, it's 8:40 p.m. on the east coast, baby better get home because it's almost time for beddy-bye.
[ June 28, 2005, 08:38 PM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]
msully
Jun 28 2005, 05:48 PM
No call to enlist? :confused:
illini n milwaukee
Jun 28 2005, 05:58 PM
It wasn't terrible but it sure wasn't great. It was mostly all 'recap' which I don't think is going to really stop the criticism coming.
I was rather troubled with all the 9/11 referrals. And it's already gotten plenty of mentioning on the news.
If you turn on Chris Matthews, he's having a church tour of some sort and it seems like many military wives (although the place is half empty, more than half actually). But their 'panelists' are absolute idiots. I wasn't aware that church pastors were supposed to be promoting wars. But Chris Matthews is actually being rather blunt in questioning some of these people.
But the MSNBC White House correspondant was exactly right when she pointed out the big problem with this administration's handling: Earlier this week when John McCain asked the general testifying in front of the Senate how many Iraqi troops were trained, he REFUSED to answer, saying it was classified! What!? Since when is that classified? And one of the strongest lines in Bush's speech tonight was the little metaphor for we'll leave when they're ready. Well, that is pretty much dependent on having an adequate military and police.....and they refuse to say how that is going!
swiminbuff
Jun 28 2005, 06:20 PM
According to reports first applause was started by the Presidents advance team. Also commented on how the Pres said he had warned the American people that the war would be a long hard road when in fact he said Iraq would be quick and easy with people throwing flowers at soldiers feet. Maybe your press is finally going to take the Pres to task instead of just taking white house comments verbatim and reporting as news.
bobby78751
Jun 28 2005, 06:40 PM
QUOTE
msully:
No call to enlist? :confused:
Oh, yes, he did encourage people to enlist. He thanked those who had reinlisted. No mention to those he has back-door drafted by not letting them out at the end of their enlistment.
Herr Tiggee
Jun 28 2005, 07:22 PM
Bobby - Nancy Pelosi is on the phone, and she wants her shrill voice back.
Cadillac
Jun 28 2005, 07:29 PM
So now let's call the insurgents "terrorist"? When do facts define the truth with the Bush Administration? Bush continues to hope that if he says a lie 4 times it becomes the truth. Well, the truth has set us free. 9/11 was a tragedy, to attempt to use it for political gain is even more of a tragedy!
bobby78751
Jun 28 2005, 08:04 PM
QUOTE
PewterPirate:
When do facts define the truth with the Bush Administration? Bush continues to hope that if he says a lie 4 times it becomes the truth.
In a speech he gave a few weeks ago, President Gasman calls it catapulting the propaganda.
Since reporters were not allowed to ask questions (this was a "speech", not a press conference) I think it would have been fair for the troops to be able to ask some questions...but no soldiers were allowed to ask questions in the public forum. I guess they learned from that mistake once before when a soldier asked why they aren't properly protected with the armour they needed.
I wonder if these guys and gals were selectively chosen like they were at that sham turkey day dinner in Baghdad when Bush walked thru the crowd with the table decoration and the anti-Bush soldiers were left out of the party?
ITJock
Jun 28 2005, 08:08 PM
QUOTE
illini n milwaukee:
Earlier this week when John McCain asked the general testifying in front of the Senate how many Iraqi troops were trained, he REFUSED to answer, saying it was classified!
A General refused information to Sen. John McCaine? I think you just saw a career implode... And a huge Administration problem.
I'll bet someone wass apologising within the hour <Chuckle>
I can't imagine the 2nd ranking member of the Armed Services Committee being denied ANYTHING he wanted to know. He is also on Personnel; Readiness; and Science, Technology, & Space.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think McCain is vindictive at all; But you don't tell him - or most Senators - 'No'.
Rob
bobby78751
Jun 28 2005, 08:20 PM
Why aren't all of the neocons and Bushites on here heaping praises on Baby Boy's performance tonight? I'm sure they got all of their questions answered. Oh, wait...they were urged to enlist. That's where they are! They have gone to fight the war. Wow, with a tear in my eye, I'm so proud of you cheerleaders for finally leaving your keyboards and doing what Prez Gasman urged you to do. Good for you. We're all safer now!
RazorbackTX
Jun 29 2005, 06:10 AM
9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11
No new ideas
No new policies
No accountability
swiminbuff
Jun 29 2005, 06:11 AM
Speech was apparently successful according to CNN Poll. Majority of Americans now believe the US is winning the war (up 10%)and also belive the President has a clear plan. Guess they listened to a different speech than the one I heard. I wonder if he had announced that the world was flat if the poll results would have been any different.
hockeyTom
Jun 29 2005, 06:14 AM
Yeah, and I would bet that most of the people they polled were Repugs. too.
bobby78751
Jun 29 2005, 06:28 AM
QUOTE
swiminbuff:
Speech was apparently successful according to CNN Poll. Majority of Americans now believe the US is winning the war (up 10%)and also belive the President has a clear plan.
These are the same idiots who voted for him! Before the speech, CNN says that 56% believed there was a plan for war in Iraq...now, 63% believe there is a plan. Where in his speech did he give an example of this "plan"? Saying, "We'll step down when Iraq steps up" is NOT a plan! :mad:
bobby78751
Jun 29 2005, 06:36 AM
QUOTE
puckman1:
Yeah, and I would bet that most of the people they polled were Repugs. too.
You are right...
QUOTE
The poll was taken immediately after the speech, and the 323 adults interviewed were 50 percent Republican, 23 percent Democratic and 27 percent independent. The margin of error was plus or minus 6 percentage points.
CNN Story
Ms. de Blazer
Jun 29 2005, 10:01 AM
He said to sacrifice.
Did he say as Patrick Henry did that he pledges his life, his fortune and his sacred honor?
No, he flew over Texas, his fortune grows while his tax bite shrinks and he has no honor to sacrifice.
Did he say he would repeal the tax cut for the rich to fund the war and veterans' services? No, he wants to enlarge it and make it permanent.
Did he say his daughters were joining up and he encouraged all others to do so? No, only wimps like his father and John Kerry and John McCain actually serve in wars.
Did he say that he would abandon don't ask/don't tell so patriotic gays and lesbians can serve and that people should sacrifice their prejudice? No, he wants to Constitutionalize discrimination.
Did he say he was eliminating the megabucks no bid contracts to Halliburton, now charged with delivering spoiled food to "our troops" while engaging in banquets for themselves, so that Cheney can also sacrifice? No, he wants more money to contractors that are run by his pals.
What he means is: we sacrifice our civil liberties. Soldiers and Iraqi civilians sacrifice their life and limb.
We sacrifice, he gets rich.
bobby78751
Jun 29 2005, 10:10 AM
I'm
still waiting for all of the right wingnutjobs to come on here and praise the speech as setting out a plan and clearing things up for us. Come on, guys...where are you? Oh, that's right, they are still at the enlistment office!
gmginsfo
Jun 29 2005, 10:50 AM
Keep waiting, Mr. Bobby. And why not hold your breath while you're at it? There's something about your posts that discourages intelligent debate.
tnmanfan
Jun 29 2005, 11:56 AM
Just like a republican. When you can't perform, when all things you do fail, blame someone else and create a distraction.
MPetrelis
Jun 29 2005, 12:23 PM
>There's something about your posts that discourages intelligent debate.
Oh? And Dubya encourages intelligent debate about the quagmire in Iraq? I don't think chanting "9/11" everytime his polls number fall is helping the country.
RazorbackTX
Jun 29 2005, 12:24 PM
QUOTE
gmginsfo:
Keep waiting, Mr. Bobby.
The speech must have been even worse than I thought, even Mr. Apoligist* cant defend it.
----------------------------
*gmg
hockeyTom
Jun 29 2005, 12:56 PM
M. Great point. Just the other night I was watching Larry King, at least I think it was Larry, could have been "Hardball" too, but they had on 2 guests who lost loved ones in 9/11. The one lady said she is so tired of 9/11 being politicized so much. Guess who uses it the most? Hmmmm....
aquaman
Jun 29 2005, 01:22 PM
I heard that both Dennis Hastert and Tom Delay accused the Democrats of politicizing 9/11 after condemning Bush's pep rally last night. Talk about chutzpah!
twin58
Jun 29 2005, 02:08 PM
QUOTE
Ms. de Blazer
Did he say as Patrick Henry did that he pledges his life, his fortune and his sacred honor?
That reminds me of a joke.
Osama bin Laden in Heaven QUOTE
After his death, Osama bin Laden went to Heaven.
There he was greeted by George Washington, who proceeded to slap him across the face and yell at him, \"how dare you try to destroy the nation I helped conceive!\"
Patrick Henry approached and punched Osama in the nose and shouted, \"you wanted to end our liberties, but you failed.\"
James Madison entered, kicked Osama in the groin and said, \"this is why I allowed our government to provide for the common defense!\"
Thomas Jefferson came in and proceeded to beat Osama many times with a long cane and said, \"it was evil men like you that provided me the inspiration to pen the Declaration of Independence!\"
These beatings and thrashings continued as John Randolph, James Monroe and 66 other early Americans came in and unleashed their anger on the Muslim terrorist leader. As Osama lay bleeding and writhing in unbearable pain an angel appeared. Bin Laden wept in pain and said to the angel, \"this isn't what you promised.\"
The angel replied, \"I told you there would be seventy-two Virginians waiting for you in heaven. What did you think I said?\"
I can't be certain that the first governor of Virginia, Patrick Henry, never used that phrase, but it is best known for being in the Declaration of Independence. Scroll down to the end, just before John Hancock's signature.
The Declaration of Independence QUOTE
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
The signers from Virginia were:
QUOTE
Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton
This just seems like the right time of year to post that link.
Some guy named Jefferson was the second governor of Virginia. In fact, Patrick Henry was held over for an encore a few years later.
The Governors of Virginia [ June 29, 2005, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: twin58 ]
bobby78751
Jun 29 2005, 02:14 PM
QUOTE
aquaman:
I heard that both Dennis Hastert and Tom Delay accused the Democrats of politicizing 9/11 after condemning Bush's pep rally last night.
Now, Aussies and Brits are speaking out against the war and Bush linking 9/11 and Iraq...
CNN Story
bobby78751
Jun 29 2005, 02:36 PM
John Kerry has sent out an e-mail to his supporters with his view on last night's pep rally:
QUOTE
Dear Bobby,
Last night the President had a chance to move the country forward by laying out a specific course of action to make our troops safer and rescue the mission in Iraq.
Instead, the President took us backwards -- backwards to campaign style rhetoric and unshakeable stubbornness.
Let me be clear about something. I've never met an American who doesn't want to see America succeed in Iraq. I've never met a veteran who doesn't fly the flag on the 4th of July with pride in our country. I've never met an American who doesn't believe in the greatness of our country and the strength of our ideals.
But I've met a lot of Americans who fear the President has no plan to get it right in Iraq -- and they woke up this morning feeling the same way.
The President and the administration need to get their story straight about what is happening in Iraq -- and how they are going to get our mission back on track.
From their 24th different rationale for war, to the Vice President and Secretary Rumsfeld telling us the insurgency is in its \"final throes\" while last night President Bush said it is more dangerous than ever, Americans just want to hear the truth.
They want leadership equal to our soldiers' sacrifice, and they know we can't win if our leaders can't even agree on the facts. This is a time for leadership, and a time for responsible answers to difficult problems.
Yesterday, I laid out a 9 point plan to get it right in Iraq. Here are 3 steps the President can take this weekend to start getting it right in Iraq and ensure greater security for our troops.
1) The President heads to Europe this weekend. He needs to bring home more commitments from our allies to shore up Iraq's borders, invest more in reconstruction and do more training of Iraqi troops. A secure and stable Iraq is in the best interest of every nation across Europe and the Middle East.
2) Send a message across the Middle East that Iraq's neighbor countries must do more to stop the rise of terrorism in Iraq. We need countries like Saudi Arabia to keep their commitment to help pay for reconstruction efforts in Iraq so the Iraqi people get electricity, water and better roads.
We also need help from Iraq's neighbors in shoring up the borders so foreign fighters and terrorists can't get in and can't get out. The President needs to take his tough message to the region and enlist support for our mission. The best way to stop the growth of terrorism is by enlisting more Arab allies.
3) Truly honor our troops' sacrifices in Iraq by immediately covering the one billion dollar shortfall in funding for veterans care this year here at home and increasing funding for armor and necessary supplies for our troops over in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Senator Byrd, Senator Murray, I and others have an amendment pending right now to address the critical funding shortage for veterans. The administration could send a powerful message about sacrifice and national unity if they act now to address this shortfall for the VA.
We need more than just words to get it right in Iraq. We need actions and focus and leadership. We saw what happened after 9/11, in the mountains of Tora Bora, when the administration took its eyes off the ball when it came to hunting down and capturing Osama Bin Laden. We can't afford to let the same thing happen in Iraq.
Our troops are depending on us and we can't let them down. It's time to bring the country together to get it right. No more excuses, no more spin, and no more dividing the country on partisan lines.
Americans have the resolve - we need action from the administration.
Sincerely,
John Kerry
msully
Jun 29 2005, 03:13 PM
Lord - Bush's speech was bad enough, but do we need another Kerry 'plan'?
willyboy
Jun 29 2005, 04:08 PM
QUOTE
msully:
Lord - Bush's speech was bad enough, but do we need another Kerry 'plan'?
Couldn't agree more. Kerry lost all credibility after being such a lousy candidate.
ITJock
Jun 29 2005, 04:26 PM
As much as I dislike Kerry (almost half as much as I dislike Shrub)...
At least he has a plan; and a clue...
And I really hate to admit it, but he is right.
Rob
msully
Jun 29 2005, 05:19 PM
QUOTE
ITJock:
As much as I dislike Kerry (almost half as much as I dislike Shrub)...
At least he has a plan; and a clue...
And I really hate to admit it, but he is right.
Rob
All of the Kerry 'plans' I saw regarding the war were either lists of things we WERE doing, or things that had been tried and failed.
Oh, but he was going to call his meetings with Europeans over Iraq 'summits'. Whoopdee do.
illini n milwaukee
Jun 29 2005, 06:30 PM
The thing is, Bush screwed this up so much that it's very hard to 'fix' at the moment, no plan looks good!
ITJock
Jun 29 2005, 06:44 PM
Enumerating the problems honestly, then finding specific remedies does not sound so bad to me.
We need smart, dedicated people, willing to work hard and make difficult decisions.
Unless you are happy with the social agenda of the conservative religious right and the WH, you have to admit that we don't have that anywhere in the current administration.
We got into the present mess because of a lack of mental ability to find other creative solutions ('If it annoys you hit it with a hammer'). We are not getting out because of inertia fueled by a total lack of ability to think outside the box.
If decisions are made by those who show up, then the WH is vacant.
Rob
[ June 29, 2005, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: ITJock ]
so fla ref
Jun 29 2005, 10:33 PM
I don't trust Bush...never have. But, I agree with him (and most other people) that we must now be successful in Iraq. Bush has lost a great deal of credibility on the subject. As Colin Powell once said about Iraq, 'You break it...you buy it.' Someone else used the following analogy, but it's accurate. Bush has taken the hornet's nest of the Middle East and smacked it with a baseball bat.
Last night, he basically asked us citizens to 'trust him and stay the course.' Why should we? His administration has made countless mistakes (miscalculations, or outright deceptions, however you want to paraphrase) in the justification of, preparation for, and execution of this war.
What I wanted to hear from him last night would have been something like this: "We have made some mistakes. But it is critical that this mission succeed. Here's what we're going to do." He could establish some accountability by accepting Rumsfeld's resignation (or firing him). He could re-establish credibility abroad by approaching NATO, as Sen. Biden suggests, to enlist their help in finally securing the borders, and he could describe how we're going to use our allies to help in training Iraqi troops. He could lay out for the American people a detailed list of what we have to build (schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, etc.) or repair (percentage of electrical grid, oil production facilities, etc.). That would begin to enlighten us as to how much this is going to eventually cost. He could outline how he intends on bringing all segments of Iraqi population together to write their Constitution and establish their democracy.
He could have done any or all of the above. But instead all we get from him is "9/11, 9/11, 9/11. I'm right. Trust me, I know what I'm doing. It's hard work. Stay the course." This is by far the worst president we've had in my lifetime. He makes no attempt to temper his arrogance, and it's going to cost us one day when terrorists, now trained and on the loose in Iraq thanks to GWB himself, when these terrorists attack our country again. After mourning the loss, I'll be interested in seeing GWB try and deflect the blame. I can just hear him now, "It was all Clinton's fault." Bush is a disgrace!
[ June 29, 2005, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: so fla ref ]
bobby78751
Jun 30 2005, 05:40 AM
QUOTE
so fla ref:
What I wanted to hear from him last night would have been something like this: \"We have made some mistakes. But it is critical that this mission succeed. Here's what we're going to do.\"
You're kidding, right? Bush admit a mistake? He couldn't even think of one in a press conference and later at the debates.
QUOTE
so fla ref:
He could re-establish credibility abroad by approaching NATO, as Sen. Biden suggests, to enlist their help in finally securing the borders...
He doesn't want to secure the borders. If he secures the borders, the "insurgents" cannot go into Iran for us to one day invade to "hunt them down".
bobby78751
Jun 30 2005, 07:23 AM
Two editorial cartoons that fit the "speech":
Tony Auth Pat Oliphant
bobby78751
Jun 30 2005, 07:28 AM
Considering this was on at 7 channels, Bush "speech" -- a ratings bomb.
QUOTE
Live coverage of Bush's half-hour speech Tuesday night from the Ft. Bragg military base in North Carolina averaged 23 million viewers combined on four major U.S. broadcast networks and three leading cable news channels, Nielsen said.
Designed largely to bolster sagging public support for the persistently bloody conflict in Iraq, the speech fell 8.6 million viewers shy of Bush's previous low as president, his August 9, 2001 address on stem cell research, which was carried on six networks.
CNN Story
swiminbuff
Jun 30 2005, 07:30 AM
Maybe he will be cancelled due to bad ratings
Ms. de Blazer
Jun 30 2005, 09:48 AM
QUOTE
must now be successful in Iraq.
Two questions
1. Who is "we"? You see if you are a Halliburton shareholder than your "we" IS successful. You've made a killing. If you are a soldier or a taxpayer your "we" has not been.
2. What is "success"? Will it be success if Iraqis democratically elect a fundamentalist government a la Taliban? Free elections, after all.
Will it be a success if a dependent client government is in stalled that can only survive with constant US military aid in a country whose economy is run by US big business? That is what Bush & co hope for.
Will it be a "success" if Halliburton and US oil companies get richer? That also is what Bush & Co. hope for. Even while there are no jobs, no security, no basic services for Iraqis and soldiers still getting killed?
What about if the Iraqis finish the nationalist revolution that began in the 1950s and 1960s and was derailed in a coup of military officers, one of whom was Saddam Hussein, that the US supported? If they nationalize the oil industry so that the Iraqis lives are bettered even if US oil companies take a hit, kick out the contractors, nationalize basic services? All these were under way before the coup ended that revolution again with US support. I'd consider that a success but in order for it to happen they'd have to fight tooth and nail against the US.
Door #4 is a success for the "we" I am part of. But I don't think it's what Bush has in mind.
PhillyFan
Jun 30 2005, 10:55 AM
Community Colleges offer some really GREAT introductory business courses. They offer classes Day/Night/Evening/Morning that often work around people’s busy schedules. Even in the bay area, I’m sure some of these classes are even useful when discussing evil corporate America.
As usual, I check out Yahoo Finance to look for HAL (ticker symbol) and their huge windfall of money. Too bad I’m yet to see it. If anything I always see the underperforming company that is HAL. I keep looking for the huge multi million dollar bonus, but don’t see it. I keep looking for the huge cash dividends to major corporate America to share in the loot. I see the same constant dividend.
Then I look at the key competition and say to myself… WOW they are really kicking it as company. I wish I had purchased that company when this sector was down a few years ago.
A more proper debate would be “there was no bidding on the contract”.. but to say pockets are lined by a windfall of money… well, I am not seeing it. Please feel free to show me my error. Please produce a Balance Sheet, Income Statement, or Cash flow statement. One from the sub doing this business would be great. Perhaps a little ratio analysis would be helpful (calculator needed for that).
You guys should also brush up on your “contract administration.” Understanding a billing policy, minimum requirements and such are useful tools.
RazorbackTX
Jun 30 2005, 11:07 AM
The Army offers some really GREAT introductory training for true Murcan patriots.
Give it a shot, PF, it's your "higher calling."
bobby78751
Jun 30 2005, 11:58 AM
So, PF...how did your yesterday at the recruiting office go? Was it busy the day after W encouraged brave Americans to enlist? Did they accept you into the military? They sure could use a guy like you as much as you like to shoot the bull.
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