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fantomas
So why is the US still dealing with Ahmad Chalabi, who has proved to be a truly duplicitous, dangerous phony?

He provided a large brunt of the mis-information about the WMDs.

He claimed to have a constituency in Iraq that would support a secular Shia government, led by him, but it turns out he has no constituency at all, except his family.

He promised that the new Iraqi government would work with Israel and building a pipeline there, which elated the neo-cons who invested so much money and hope in him--but now it turns out Iraq won't be recognizing Israel at all, plus no pipeline--all up in smoke.

He's been given all kinds of secret files about Saddam Hussein's government, with no explanation of what he's doing with them. Blackmail? Future retaliation? Key material for his dealings with Iran, Syria and other anti-US governments?

He actually met with the president of Iran and is both providing them with info on the Americans in Iraq and cutting deals with them--and has been dealing with Iran (and bad elements in Jordan, where he was charged with bank fraud) for years.

He's still getting US taxpayers' money for his various projects.

Why are we still dealing with this man? What is wrong with the people running our government?

Salon: Exposé on Chalabi

[ August 08, 2004, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
GoForITGuy
Things sure are getting strange. Chalabi is basically Cheney's pick with US State and CIA not all that happy with him.


"If we step back now, a different potential explanation emerges. First, Chalabi was extremely close to the Iranians prior to the war. Second, he provided much of Washington's prewar intelligence on Iraq. Third, no weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq. Fourth, the Iranians, along with the Iraqi Shia, are the main beneficiaries of the U.S. invasion. In that case, who Chalabi was and whose interests he actually was serving become the central questions."
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue...iconnection.htm
February 18, 2004, Stratfor Weekly "Ahmad Chalabi and his Iranian Connection"


Oh, there's even more on this guy. He is in fact in charge of the soon-to-blossom worldwide "Oil for Food/UN scandal". Apparently, Chalabi is sitting on all of the evidence; wielding a sword to hold over the UN (thus limiting the UN's ability to take over from US in Iraq) and also limiting the US's ability to reverse itself and re-hire the old Baathist party folk.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/...5_02.php#002904
danimal
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GoForITGuy:
Chalabi is basically Cheney's pick with US State
In Halliburton we trust. rolleyes.gif
fenwayguy
The honeymoon's over.

"Senior U.S. officials... have evidence Chalabi has been passing highly-classified U.S. intelligence to Iran. " - CBS News, 5/20/04

Dub and Cheney really know how to pick their friends.
ung
before you guys go crazy and run with the idea that this is all the faullt of the GOP... (oops! too late.)

anyway, this is not just the GOP. Chalabi has been the point man for the US when it comes to Iraq and how to get rid of Saddam for many many years including all during the Clinton years.

everyone was taken in by this huckster. Not just the current clod in the white House
RazorbackTX
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ung:
before you guys go crazy and run with the idea that this is all the faullt of the GOP... (oops! too late.)

anyway, this is not just the GOP. Chalabi has been the point man for the US when it comes to Iraq and how to get rid of Saddam for many many years including all during the Clinton years.

everyone was taken in by this huckster. Not just the current clod in the white House
The difference: Clinton didnt start a war based on a pack of lies/fairy tales. A war that has killed thousands...

GO GOP!!!
fantomas
Clinton's National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, refused to act on the plan for Iraq that Chalabi had gotten Perle, Wolfowitz and others to draw up, so don't start lumping Billy Bob in with this too.

BTW, what's going to happen with that $340,000 they've been giving to Chalabi every month? Or the over $30 million he's gotten over the years from our pockets? Maybe some of us liberals and progressives on this board, who saw right through this whole sham several years ago, should be rewarded. Certainly we'd have saved the USA billions of dollars and hundreds of lives!
GoForITGuy
For a very interesting rebuttal to the NY Times' Judith Miller (recall that she was a huge proponent of Mr. Chalabi) read the Editor and Publisher's article about the Times and our so-called paper of record:
Editor and Publisher
twin58
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redsoxbreath:
CBS News
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Danielle Pletka, a vice president at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said she believes the raid was likely \"political manipulation in order to disable somebody who has been a thorn in the side of the CPA.\"

\"We need the United Nations right now, and Chalabi is the prime mover behind the investigation in the oil-for-food program,\" Pletka said.
Wow. There's a change.
twin58
US Intelligence Fears Iran Duped Hawks Into Iraq War

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\"It's pretty clear that Iranians had us for breakfast, lunch and dinner,\" said an intelligence source in Washington yesterday. \"Iranian intelligence has been manipulating the US for several years through Chalabi.\"
Sheesh. Throw those idiots out of office now.
fantomas
Hey, what is Faux saying about Chalabi, the neo-cons' best bud and the recipient of a $33 million taxpayer bonanza? Are they talking about this like the Oil-for-Food program? How he punk'd the U.S. on behalf of IRAN, which is on W's "Axis of Evil"?

The NY Times actually tried to wipe egg of its face--it also got punk'd by sleazy Chalabi as well....

NY Times: D'oh! We were had....
JC
One interesting thing about the Guardian article is the implication that at least some in the CIA had been suspicious of Chalabi for a long time.

Note this quote
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However, it is clear that the CIA - at loggerheads with Mr Chalabi for more than eight years - believes it has caught him red-handed, and is sticking to its allegations.
Very, very interesting. It's also consistent with my suspicion that the Bush administration was determined to go to war with Iraq , so they simply ignored any intelligence that didn't give them a pretext to do so.
PhillyFan
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fantomas:
Hey, what is Faux saying about Chalabi, the neo-cons' best bud and the recipient of a $33 million taxpayer bonanza? Are they talking about this like the Oil-for-Food program? How he punk'd the U.S. on behalf of IRAN, which is on W's \"Axis of Evil\"?

The NY Times actually tried to wipe egg of its face--it also got punk'd by sleazy Chalabi as well....

NY Times: D'oh! We were had....
You forgot to add to your list...

The UN
Clinton
Gore
All-skank-i mean bright
kerry
dash-shell
France
russia
germany
jordan
turkey...

shall i go on?
fantomas
Follyphun, unfortunately for you and other right-wingers,

The UN didn't launch a war in Iraq
Clinton didn't launch a war in Iraq
Gore didn't launch a war in Iraq
Albright didn't launch a war in Iraq
Kerry didn't launch a war in Iraq
Daschle didn't launch a war in Iraq
France didn't launch a war in Iraq
Russia didn't launch a war in Iraq
Germany didn't launch a war in Iraq
Jordan didn't launch a war in Iraq
Turkey didn't launch a war in Iraq
China, Japan, Egypt, Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands, Canada, Mexico, Brazil...shall I go on or are these two many complex country names for you?

W LAUNCHED THE WAR! W TRUSTED LIL' LYIN CHALABI LIKE HE WAS THE GOSPEL! W GOT PUNK'D and now the US IS STUCK IN THIS QUAGMIRE!
ung
even worse, I don't think W "trusted" Chalabi.

Like an addict searching for a doc willing to write illicit prescriptions (see: Limbaugh, Rush)
W went around looking for people saying only what he wanted to hear and ignored anyone with a differing view.

W probably wouldn't trust Chalabi to dogsit for him. But he did act on Chalabi's words cuz it fit the WH plans.
fantomas
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ung:
even worse, I don't think W \"trusted\" Chalabi.

Like an addict searching for a doc willing to write illicit prescriptions (see: Limbaugh, Rush)
W went around looking for people saying only what he wanted to hear and ignored anyone with a differing view.

W probably wouldn't trust Chalabi to dogsit for him. But he did act on Chalabi's words cuz it fit the WH plans.
Puh-leaze! He trusted him enough to have him sit right behind Laura W at this year's State of the Union Address!
PhillyFan
Um, sorry folks but Clinton did Bomb Iraq. Since they didnt have weapons.. he was also miffed and killed innocent people.

The UN had sanctions inplace over Iraq that caused childrent to die, quoting you folks.

So please get over your high moral horses. A dead kid is a dead kid.

This guy literally miffed everyone for years.

But as usual, this man came out of the blue, side by side with W. To start a war to kill innocent people.. blah blah blah... Yes, we've heard your lines before.
fantomas
Sorry, Pholly, but the old right-wing trick of trying to loop Clinton admin into this mess ain't gonna work. Wasn't W supposed to be following a different path? That is, as opposed to just getting lost in all his own lies and nonsense?

It gets worse and worse with W's fave, Chalabi. Not only did he play us for Iran, but he actually gave Iran top-secret US info, including the knowledge that the US had broken their secret code! Thanks, Chalabi!

Iran did a test run, the US picked it up, and confirmed the US's knowledge. THANKS, CHALABI! He's even brazenly admitting that he met with Khamenei, Khatami and others in Iran.

Can we give you $30 million more? And someone from W's administration, who happened to be "drunk", gave Chalabi this top-secret info. D'oh! Hey W, Cheney, Condi, Rummie, Wolfie, Perlie, Feith, etc., CAN YOU SCREW UP ANY MORE???

NY Times: Chalabi reported gave secret US info to Iranians

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ASHINGTON, June 1 — Ahmad Chalabi, the Iraqi leader and former ally of the Bush administration, disclosed to an Iranian official that the United States had broken the secret communications code of Iran's intelligence service, betraying one of Washington's most valuable sources of information about Iran, according to United States intelligence officials.

The general charge that Mr. Chalabi provided Iran with critical American intelligence secrets was widely reported last month after the Bush administration cut off financial aid to Mr. Chalabi's organization, the Iraqi National Congress, and American and Iraqi security forces raided his Baghdad headquarters.

The Bush administration, citing national security concerns, asked The New York Times and other news organizations not to publish details of the case. The Times agreed to hold off publication of some specific information that top intelligence officials said would compromise a vital, continuing intelligence operation. The administration withdrew its request on Tuesday, saying information about the code-breaking was starting to appear in news accounts.

Mr. Chalabi and his aides have said he knew of no secret information related to Iran and therefore could not have communicated any intelligence to Tehran.

American officials said that about six weeks ago, Mr. Chalabi told the Baghdad station chief of Iran's Ministry of Intelligence and Security that the United States was reading the communications traffic of the Iranian spy service, one of the most sophisticated in the Middle East.

According to American officials, the Iranian official in Baghdad, possibly not believing Mr. Chalabi's account, sent a cable to Tehran detailing his conversation with Mr. Chalabi, using the broken code. That encrypted cable, intercepted and read by the United States, tipped off American officials to the fact that Mr. Chalabi had betrayed the code-breaking operation, the American officials said.

American officials reported that in the cable to Tehran, the Iranian official recounted how Mr. Chalabi had said that one of \"them\" — a reference to an American — had revealed the code-breaking operation, the officials said. The Iranian reported that Mr. Chalabi said the American was drunk.

The Iranians sent what American intelligence regarded as a test message, which mentioned a cache of weapons inside Iraq, believing that if the code had been broken, United States military forces would be quickly dispatched to the specified site. But there was no such action.
BPT-336
Oh just a little something whitehouse.org cooked up about DUBYA ™ and Mr. Chalabi. wink
fantomas
He's baaaaacccccckkkkkkkkkkkk......

(PS He's in Iran right now!)

Yahoo! News: Chalabi says to fight charges against him

Yahoo! News: Chalabi says will fight charges

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A U.S.-appointed Iraqi judge said on Sunday he had issued an arrest warrant for leading Iraqi politician Ahmad Chalabi and his nephew, who is heading the tribunal trying former President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).

Chalabi, a former darling of the Pentagon (news - web sites) who helped lead the United States into war in Iraq (news - web sites), said he would fight the charges against him which he described as outrageous.

Zuhair al-Maliki, chief investigative judge of the Central Criminal Court of Iraq, said an arrest warrant had been issued against Ahmad Chalabi in connection with counterfeiting money and against Salem Chalabi on murder charges.

Ahmad Chalabi, a former head of Iraq's previous Governing Council, said he and his nephew had only heard of the charges through the media and that they were politically motivated.

\"There is no case here and I will go to meet those charges head on ...,\" he told CNN, speaking from Tehran.

\"I have been fighting Saddam for many years and we survived that and we are certainly not going to be intimidated by this judge ...\"

He said he had \"grave reservations\" about the court, but added: \"Nobody is above the law and I am certainly not.\"

The former exile is the head of the Iraqi National Congress and was once seen as a potential Iraqi leader. But he has fallen from favor in recent months, spurned by Washington and many in the new Iraqi government.

Salem Chalabi, a lawyer, is leading the work of the Iraqi Special Tribunal which will try Saddam Hussein, caught last year by U.S. troops.


[ August 08, 2004, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
danimal
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Trafficking with Iran ... maybe he and Ollie North could be running mates. Preferably there, not here. rolleyes.gif
fantomas
Hey, does anyone know if there are any plans afoot to get our $30 million of tax dollars back from Chalabi, who's taken to counterfeiting while not currying favor with Iran?

What about the people of Iraq's oil money? Bremer and his buds blew through about $1 billion that's now unaccounted for; any chance we'll ever see these dollars again?

Is anyone in the administration upset by these shenanigans? Doesn't W always claim "it's the people's money"? Which people? Chalabi, the CPA cronies, Halliburton, and the top 1%? What about the rest of us--here and over there?
fantomas
The shell game continues.

Ahmed Chalabi
  • *who conned W & Co. into giving him millions and millions of our tax dollars;
    *who lied and misinformed about the WMDs at will to get the US to overthrow Saddam;
    *who pushed for the policy of de-Baathification that has so inflamed the Sunnis;
    *who has tried to manipulate Saddam's trial;
    *who was initially charged with counterfeiting by the interim government yet somehow got all the charges dropped;
    *who remains convicted in absentia for bank fraud in Jordan;
    *who for his chicanery got to sit behind Laura Bush at the 2004 State of the Union Address;
    *who later turned out to be a spy for Iran and yet ended up Deputy Premier of the new Iraqi state....
not only is making his return to the US (will he be arrested upon setting foot on US soil, or does he get diplomatic immunity now), but recently met with the deranged president of Iran, who recently called for Israel to be \"wiped off the map\" and led marches of "revolutionary" youth bent on carrying this psychotic wish out.

A photo of the frightfully jolly pair:

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What did these chatty Kathys talk about?

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Ahmadinejad said that Iraq needs to strive for expansion of ties with its neighbors as a way to thwart the plots for stoking religious and sectarian rows.

Elsewhere in his statements, he alluded to the need for expansion of bilateral economic and trade relations.

Iran is prepared to provide its experiences in various economic spheres to Iraq and meet Iraq's transit needs from its southern and northern ports, he said.

Tehran also expects that the project of laying of oil pipeline between Abadan and Basra, linking the electricity grid of the two countries and building a railroad between the two nations are carried out as soon as possible, Ahmadinejad underlined.

Chalabi thanked Iran for support rendered in establishing stability and security in Iraq.

He also called for closer ties in all areas notably economic and trade including what Iran's president highlighted as development and infrastructure projects as priorities.


[ November 06, 2005, 07:59 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
sportinlife
Well that should certainly make Israel safer. rolleyes.gif

The neocons may have screwed themselves big time, turning out to be too clever by half.

With it's nuclear arsenal becoming more of an option than ever now that Iran is going both ballistic and bombastic, Israel may feel compelled to impose a final solution on both the Iranians and the uncooperating Palestinian militants embedded in their balkanized homelands.

[ November 07, 2005, 12:32 AM: Message edited by: sportinlife ]
RazorbackTX
When does Bush give him the Medal of Freedom?
fantomas
What great news for 2006! After splitting from the Islamicist Shiites (who now have even more seats and power than before) and then failing dismally in the recent elections, the Energizer Bunny (or Weeble, take your pick) of Iraq, convicted felon-in-absentia and WMD fabricator Ahmed Chalabi found that he wasn't out of job. He's now the acting Oil Minister! His predecessor, Ibrahim bar Uloum, quit amid the turmoil and, surprise surprise, Ahmed got the gig! Gosh by golly, just like that, go figure!

Meanwhile, Iraq's oil output is the lowest level since the war began in 2003. Yep, they'll be able to pay their own way. In 2065....

[ January 02, 2006, 04:58 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
Ms. de Blazer
This man has more lives than all of my cats put together.
And a lot less cute.
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