Dinger, Vermont may be mostly small towns and I believe that by percentage it is the whitest state in the USA, but it's also one of the most liberal. BY FAR. Hawaii, Massachusetts, etc., probably give it a run for its money, but Vermonters are known for being independent and progressive (the first state to abolish slavery), whether Republican or Democratic or Green or whatever. New Hampshire, which is also small and mostly white (though less so than VT) is the conservative New England state.

would I watched the live feed for Dean in Tx he was outstanding.. BTW if this link was already posted sorry...it is great
http://www.blogforamerica.com/

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According to the higly regarded Zogby poll released today, Howard Dean has taken a 21 point lead over Kerry in New Hampshire.

Absolutely amazing.

Puck -- we're still waiting for those pictures wink

I would love to forward some, like into my posts, but can I?? I don't know how..

Monthly meetup next Wednesday.

This website www.deanforamerica.com may have already been posted on here. It's full of info about Howard Dean and how to get involved in his campaign.

I went to the Dean Meetup last month here in Tampa and it was a blast. Got a chance to see the Dean commercials that are currently running is select states and wrote 2 letter to residents of New Hampshire.

The really refreshing thing about it was although everyone is excited about Dean it wasn't your typically political experience - that can be boring and $$$ driven.

I don't know about the rest of you but 4 more years of Bush would be enough for me to seriously consider that move to Montreal or Quebec City.

It REALLY sucks when the Prez and your Gov are BOTH BUSHES!!!!

Get involve, make a difference and have fun doing it!!!

My man Howard was on Crossfire on CNN this afternoon in a question and asnwer forum. Howard was answering a question about what he would do with Iraq now, and mentioned as he has many times before we need to get more UN involvement, and involvement from some muslim countries like Egypt and Morocco, and added, " at least I know where those countries are"! wink Then I had to laugh further when the young buck Republican who wears the bow tie called Dean a "radical". Oh like G.W. isn't???? Pleeze.

PewterPirate said: It REALLY sucks when the Prez and your Gov are BOTH BUSHES!!!!

You just confirmed yourself gay. LOL Typical straight guys would take the above opportunity and run with it. wink I won't say it directly to avoid offense to some posters/readers... but bad joke, but funny LOL

I went to the Phils-Mets game on Saturday night and a few sections away there were about 100 Dean supporters all wearing red Dean4Philly T-shirts and holding signs. Interesting that the Dean supporters community has moved beyond the web.

Politically, I've got that "not so freash feeling", time to douche the Bush...

[ September 08, 2003, 08:45 AM: Message edited by: PewterPirate ]

mdphl: noted your comment about moving off the web. Thats the challenge now for Dean. He has built up a large core following, but his challenge is to now try to reach maybe some older Americans who are not so internet saavy. And there is no doubt in my mind what so ever that he will do this.

[ September 08, 2003, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: puckman1 ]

Puckman - agree (as usual ). His strong and energetic base will provide him with the much needed support and resources to move his campaign to the next level.

If Bush said something like this, you guys would say he's stupid. But I'm sure you'll think this is brilliant coming from Dean.

Where's Iraq?

"The two-state solution is a solution that I support and I believe is the ultimate way to peace in the Middle East. And we're going to have to be the honest broker. The Americans are the only people who can broker that, and I wish the president had spent more time on the Middle East and less time on Iraq."

[ April 21, 2004, 02:22 PM: Message edited by: CnSEA ]

William1865, your right on this one.
I still support Mr Dean but the last 2 times I saw him on TV he lost some points in my book.
But I still think Mr Bush is about as bad as you can get.

p2: I am curious. You say the last two times you saw Dean he has lost points with you. Why?

Sounds more like a flash mob, lol.

I believe you are referring to this Doonesbury cartoon from yesterday:

http://www.ucomics.com/doonesbury/2003/09/08/

The TV stations kept mentioning it yesterday and saying they'll all be there with cameras ready to see who's there. Considering the "strong" Dean support here in Seattle, plus the fact that many people here have no life and would report to a certain place at a certain time just because a cartoon strip said so (I should know, I'll probably be there too! ) there could be a sizeable crowd following along.

Puckman1,
In answer to your question the times before that I saw Mr Dean He seemed to be speaking from the heart, with lots of fire in belly. Now he seems more measured in what he is saying. Also IMO if he is making the switch over to front runner (ie more measured tones) he needs to lay out plans.
I still like him and would vote for him today ( being in Ca the primary will not matter I expect)
but I would like to see him either stay mad or lay out his plans

several links for your consideration.

Wash Post's Howard Kurtz writes that Dean is now a genuine threat for the president.

wash post article

there is now a site

Republicans against Bush

and one calledRepublicans for Dean

[ September 09, 2003, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: ung ]

I can pretty much guarantee you these guys are all Democrats.

Dean is a genuine threat to Bush? Duh. This is like saying it looks like Bush will probably run for reelection. Pretty much any challenger is a threat to any candidate, for a variety of reasons. Nothing can be taken for granted.

Ung - thanks for the links. I find the comments about Dean's appearance at the Cato Institute to be really interesting. The guy has broad appeal. Also, as silly as it seems, the quasi-flash mob event also shows how much fun Dean is - a point ecently made by George Will, of all people. Can't imagine people having much fun with W or Leiberman.

Puckman - you going to be able to make the space needle event???

Dean Lies Again

mdphl: unfortunately I won't be able to make the Space Needle event. If I could I would.

At a morning press conference Dean received the support from 6 of Wash. D.C.'s members of the city council.

William1865 I will take this "lie" ( Could it be the he has not watched Edwards on the stump I just made a mistake?) Over the bold face lies of Mr Bush..
those 16 words, condeming un funded mandates than passing no child left behind, a huge unfunded mandate, the knowing where the WMD were, and on and on.
If you want to call Dean a liar you need, as mr Bush said be mindful of the stick ( or was it log) in your own eye

Most of what you people call Bush's lies are mere policies disagreements, but then you guys trusted Saddam more than Bush (see Jim McDermott (B-WA)), so I don't know that you are to be trusted. At any rate, you guys call every little thing that doesn't go your way a lie, I call everything lies.

What?

I saw the desparate snippet that Lieberman offered about Dean this afternoon on CNN, about Deans stance on Israel. Wolf Blitzer interveiwed Dean about this at great length. Dean stated his position about Israel is exactly the same as the Democratic parties position, and always has been. Its too bad that Lieberman has to stoop so low so early, in attacking Dean, but when you are behind in the polls,this is politics. Howard was extremely calm, cool and collected during the Blitzer interview.

William1865
I would say items I disagree with, such as opening the National Parks to snowmobiles a policy disagreement. I would call the 16 words, the statements regarding the WMD a lie.
I maybe wrong, I will admit that I am so angry with what ( IMO) Mr Bush has done wrong I could be missing the point.....

william,

why is it that when republicans come to a differing conclusion about Bush and/or policies, you automatically start the old chestnut of "you're not a real republican"?

Since when is there a committee to define the veracity of one's "republicanness"? And how did you get appointed to that commission?

The fact is.... MANY republicans found CANDIDATE Bush distasteful and unworthy (hence the many primary wins for McCain) and PRESIDENT Bush has done very little to change our minds.

In fact, even many staunch conservatives have come out in public avowing that Bush is NOT a conservative in recent months.
No true republican would espouse the kind of reckless fiscal policies put forward by George Bush, The Lesser.

You are correct if you are saying that we republicans who oppose Bush are not the type to yell out "Thank you Jesus!" whenever our omelets turn out fluffy. I certainly don't.

and you won't see me ask Jerry Falwell to decide my voting choices. But believe you me. I and the many others who agree with me are true republicans and BECAUSE we are, we oppose Bush.

as for your other comments........

May I remind you of the derision with which Bush-icans were greeting Dr.Dean's campaign?

Even on this website, you and Phillyfan (possibly others also?) spoke of HOPING Dr.Dean would win the nomination because he had no chance of unseating W.Bush.

Remember the gleeful republicans actually contributing money to the Dean campaign because of that line of thinking?
well..... thanks! Those checks were used to run anti-Bush TV ads in Texas.

and then.... How can you say that "you guys trusted Saddam more than Bush"? Is that why most democrats nationside supported our pre-emptive war into Iraq?

I thought you were in the beltway... like I was. I assumed that you, being in your 30s, would be an LA on The Hill or something. As such, you should be a little more prescient than what your statement seems to indicate.

Pres. Bush leading his aides in a MONTHS long PR campaign to emphasize "mushroom clouds" and "Iraqi nuclear holocaust" is more than "policies (sic) difference" and certainly is more than merely 16 words taken out of context.

[ September 10, 2003, 08:50 PM: Message edited by: ung ]

ung, you never got the memo after 9/11 that said "you're either with us, or agin us"?

Hornfan,

with all due respect. What I would like is a real and intelligent conversation (even with those who disagree with me).
I don't think comments like "didn't you get that memo?" add anything to the dialogue.

ung, With all due respect, I felt it necessary to point out the very common "you gotta be a Bush supporter to be a patriot" mentality in your party. I find it pathetic to capitalize on the emotion and tragedy of 9/11, but it did get the Patriot Act rammed through Congress in lightning speed.

ok. I can go with that.

But you gotta admit that it was not just the republicans riding the "Get with Bush or be a traitor" bandwagon.

Just about every democrat in Congress and state, local governments rose that same stupid train. Hence the near unanymous votes to approve the Patriot Acts and War against Iraq. So it was not just my party. It was your party too.

Of course one of the voices speaking out the loudest was Dr.Dean. and that's why I support him.

The speculation now is that Gen. Wesley Clark would join the Dean ticket. That would be awesome

ung, according to the Washington Post, Dean and Clark discussed the vice presidency at a weekend meeting in California (assuming the retired Army General doesn't throw his hat into the ring himself, which is beginning to look increasingly unlikely at this stage)....however, I agree with your sentiments completely and think that a Dean-Clark ticket would be absolutely fantastic!

Gen. Clark Reportedly Is Asked to Join Dean

[ September 11, 2003, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: gamecock ]

I respectfully disagree. There was enormous pressure put on the Democrats from the Administration to "be a true Patriot". The Democrats had no choice (yes I admit the majority of them buckeled) as far as I'm concerned. Anybody who EVEN questioned the Patriot Act or the War on Iraq was labeled weak on national security and a treasonous traitor who "supported" Sadaam.

The post 9-11 emotional pressure continues in my estimation, as Bush USED (literally) it in a memorial speech yesterday (9/11) to peddle Patriot Act II - The Sequel (and we know how bad sequels usually are). I'm sure we'll be reminded over and over about 9-11 from the GOP in the 2004 election too. Disgusting.

Id love to see a debate between Clark and Bush -
Rhodes Scholar/4-star general vs idiot AWOL chimp.

forget Clark-Bush. the debate between vice-president candidate and pres will not happen.

But just think about Clark and W.Bush in a debate. That also will be a contrast in abilities.

Caught Dean on the campaign trail this morning with George S. (This Week)Once again, I was impressed with his intelligence, candor, and knowledge of the facts and problems facing us as Americans. George was fairly harsh on Dean on a few questions re: his positions,and alleged changes in his positions, but I came away feeling good about his ability to stand up to "attacks", which are going to be even more common as his popularity increases. It looked like he was really having fun on the trail.

I actually thought Stephanopoulos was fair in his questions.Certainly Dr.Dean will face toughter questioning as the campaign moves along.

But I also liked the TRUTHFULNESS of Dr.Dean's answers. If he didn't know, he said so. and he tried to point out that with regards to medicare he wanted a "5% reduction in the rate of increase of medicare". But George and critics kept trying to turn it into an anti-medicare statement.

a 5% reduction in the RATE OF INCREASE of medicare is NOT the same thing as a 5% reduction in the overall medicare budget. and it certainly is not saying that he favours abolishing medicare. Dr.Dean, being a primary care physician, would never support that.

What Gephardt said and what George Steph tried to push is not true.

I loved Dr.Dean's response to why Gephardt would say that. "Cause he's desperate."

By the way, what exactly is the plan of attack on Dean by the "powers that be" in the democratic party?
At first Dean was "too liberal" and therefore would not be electable. But as of last week, He's "just like Newt Gingrich" in many issues. Last time I checked Gingrich was not a leftie.
so which is it? Is he too liberal or too conservative? come on guys. Make up your mind before the final poll numbers bounce your ass.

they're so desperate to unseat this non-cabal democrat that they're falling over themselves to trump up criticism.

will next week's criticism be "Howard Dean is the real killer. Not O.J."?

[ September 15, 2003, 09:37 AM: Message edited by: ung ]

No doubt ung. wink By the way did you notice George's hairy chest on his button downed shirt.?? I did...off topic I know but I couldn't resist.

Puckman -- you are supposed to be watching these Sunday morning shows for educational purposes -- not entertainment. That's why I watch the CNN medical reports -- to learn about health related issues not to look at Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

To keep on topic, I read that some of the Democratic candidates will be campaigning with Davis in California. Any word whether Dean will be one of them?

Thats I don't know just yet. Remains to be seen I guess.

Just read Newsweek at lunch - they noted that Dean was the first to campaign for Davis.

Good for Dean. I also note his campaign is near a milestone. By the end of Sept. he wanted to sign up 400,000 people to his campaign nationwide. As of this morning he is at 398,000. Way to go Howard!

I think this is a must read....
http://www.dmregister.com/opinion/stories/...6/22254884.html

Thanks for the link -- excellent article. In addition to being smart politics, it shows that Dean is attracting people who care about the community. Authentically compassionate people.

Yes, an interesting tactic that's for sure - but would it play out similarly (participation levels) - in the big cities? Think Dean is a nice gust of fresh air in politics.

Indeed, very impressive article. Just more reasons why Howard is the man of the moment. I feel the same about him, that I did with Clinton. Number one, he cares about the average American, and he has a strong ability to connect with people. He said the same thing here in Spokane last month. Make sure you get our people to the state caucauses!