Use your smilies!

I think every First Spouse (and eventual First Longtime Companion) has to make his/her own way. Laura Bush has her own style as does Hillary Clinton as does Dr/Ms Steinberg/Dean. Why can't they all be different? PLUS We don't elect THEM anyways!

[ January 16, 2004, 06:29 AM: Message edited by: copman ]

I think if Dr. Steinberg wants to continue practicing medicine even if her husband is elected she should just go ahead. Having said that, it's probably not a realistic option for a Presidential spouse. The world we live in dictates that there'll have to be tremendous security for any Presidential spouse, and it's difficult to imagine how that could be reconciled with the immediate, unfettered access patients would need to their doctor.

Of course, this may quickly just become a theoretical exercise. It looks like Iowa will not be an automatic Dean win; he peaked too early and Kerry and Edwards have picked up a lot of steam, with Kerry now holding a razor-thin lead in the polls. Meanwhile, all reports are that Clark is really making inroads in New Hampshire, and Dean's huge lead is now in the single digits.

Did anyone else catch Ann Richards on Larry King live last night? She ripped Shrub several new ones. I thought I would die laughing when Larry asked her what she thought about Shrubs marriage proposal? She said, "Larry I am so glad you asked me that, and I think between you and me, and our marriage history, we could go down to Washington and give speeches, and seminars, give reports, and really help them out alot". Howard called in live to thank her for her endorsment. She said she would meet up with him in New Hampshire.

Great--just what Dean doesn't need: Richards bashing Bush on his behalf. After all, it was so scary successful for her in the past...not.

Say what you want Tom, Ann knows politics, and the issues, something Shrub needs to brush up on!

She knew them well enough when she lost to the man she calls Shrub. I wonder if he calls her loser.

Yeah, not that Ann's bitter or anything.

She didn't know them well enough to be able to stay employed as Governor of Texas. I think she's one of the best at sound bites, but her political "skills" haven't really helped her much....

So I just got a call on my cell from somebody with the Howard Dean campaign, I have no idea how they got my number. I never use it to sign up for anything, always use home, and its a really new number. Odd. And it's not like I'm in Iowa or anything. At any rate, Howie's barking up the wrong tree.

I understand she's a drunk.

So is Bush.

So was Bush, and so are a lot of people. She's funny. Too bad it wasn't enough to keep her in power.

And just ask Bobby and Raze: Once a drunk, always a drunk.

Actually the term "Shrub" belongs to the great Molly Ivins.

Yes Ann is a recovered alcoholic, but there's certainly no record of her ever getting a DUI ala dubya. Glass houses.

PS: I attend the Texas Lady Longhorn basketball game last Saturday in Austin against the OU Sooners (we won) and sat directly across from Ann. She and Head Coach Jody Condradt are great friends and she sits right behind Jody and the Texas bench when she's in Austin. Hook 'Em! m/

[ January 16, 2004, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: HornFan ]

That certainly seemed to be your implication. That's why I used the present tense.

[ January 16, 2004, 10:31 AM: Message edited by: araanib ]

And now you're using the past tense!

Grammatically, as with most things, I am versatile.

It's no wonder Dean is plummetting...

Say what you want MIB, I am still positive about Dean. In a smart campaign move, his wife joined him yesterday. I feel that she will help with the perception that he is hard edged, and fiery. dean ain't going to fold and go away.

I do know that my vote's going to Dean. But even if he doesn't win the nomination, his candidacy has served a VERY important function, and that's caused all of his competitors to stop being wimps. I mean, listening to John Kerry, Joe Lieberman, and the Democratic candidates before Dean's entry was just sickening. "Well, the President has done the best he can with a bad situation." Well, then, why not simply reelect him, you friggin' toads?

Describing these people as "Bush-lite" before Dean entered the race was ENTIRELY appropriate. Dean has made his party realize that while moderation is nice (and I consider myself a moderate), many, many, many of us are ANGRY at what the Repubs have done to this country since 2000, and that we DO matter, and that we DO vote.

Atlanta, I agree with you 100%. The Dean machine has revolutionized alot of people, and grassroots support, the likes the country has never seen. From very early on he tapped into alot of the misplaced feelings and anger that alot of Democrats still feel today. He obviously did something right. Look at all the heat the other Dems. heaped upon him, just because he is the outsider, not the insider! Go Howard!

I think most insiders would say in the past ten days or so he obviously did something wrong. Dean was thisclose to seeming inevitable, but the floor fell out for him in Iowa. His lead disappeared, and now I'm watching returns on TV that show Dean languishing in third place. With 74% of the vote counted, the cadaverous-looking Kerry has 38%, John Edwards has 32%, Dean is way back with only 18%, and Gephardt has only 9%. Time to start writing that pull out speech, Dick.

"Cadaverous"? More like Ichabod Crane....

"A lot of people"? More like a lot of youngsters of the Internet arena, who are involved not because of principle or ideals, but because it's the "cool" thing to do, as if this is all some kind of Internet dating game (as even Bill Maher puts it).

With some exceptions, Dean's gang is a bunch of kiddies who have yet to grasp the real world.

The poor thing....the poor thing....the poor thing.........

Isn't that a bit of a stretch? It is the equilvalent of someone saying that the Bush gang is just a bunch of rich, white country clubbing businessmen...

And we all know that's not the case, riggghhhhhht?

mdphl, you said it buddy. MIB nice sweeping generalization of Dean supporters by you there. Too bad its not very accurate. When Howard Dean came to Spokane last year in August most of the people there inclduing myself were people in their 30's to 50's. I did see alot of younger people as well though.
Don't count Howard out yet people. If anything his main problem was that he peaked to early, that plus the fact that everybody else including Gephardt, attacked the *hit out of him, and ran blisteringly negative campaigns against him. Looks like Gephardt got what he deserved if you ask me.
I should think the Repuglicans are already starting to sweat over the fact thats its possible Dean may not win the nomination. Notice again I said may not. Its not over yet though. On to New Hampshire!

Did anyone get a look at Howard Dean's wife yet? She is as ugly as sin. No wonder he has been hiding her away behind the scenes.

Is that you PhillyFan?

Did anyone see Howard Dean's speech last night? He came off as being demented with all of that shouting! I think his secretary should start buying de-caff. If I was a resident of New Hampshire, and was watching that speech, I would surely be turned off to Dean.

At least Dean has gotten young voters and other people that don't trust the government interested in what's going on. I also disagree that interested young voters are taking an "internet dating" approach to what's happening. Many young people at my job are taking the time to educate themselves about the various issues and the positions the various candidates hold. Try and give young people more credit.

My vote will go to Howard Dean. Even shallow comments about his wife's physical appearance won't sway me. Sheesh, talking about Dean's supporters being kiddish, making childish comments about someone's looks is a an adult comment.

As someone who admires Dean largely for the anti-invasion stance and not his econo-centrism, you can really tell from the overhyping of last night's yell that the Far Right and their shills really hate him, and probably fear his chances against the Usurper more than the Official White House Line would indicate.

Very nice; an intellectual playmate for ___ joins the sandbox. In the spirit of such discourse, someone should muse that Laura Bush's pussy is likely much drier than Judy Dean's.

Thanks Bill, thats too funny.

I prefer Judy Dean to the standard cheeseball Stepford wife. She's the Kate Moss of this whole show (I mean the super cool detachment).

What a jerk.


I support Dean because 1) I know what he believes in and 2) I agree with much of what he believes in. Bush, after years in office still does not put forth an honest message on any topic. Just for instance, where does he stand on the FMA, no one really knows. Does he really believe there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, no one knows.

I also resent the implication that I, as a Dean supporter, am backing him because it's the "cool" thing to do. I'm a 27 year old knitter, I'm not too worried about being cool. Also, you and Bill Maher probably couldn't recognize "cool" if it knowcked on your door and left a burning bag of crap there with a note.

Bill W., Laura Bush and Judy Dean are both over the age of menopause. I am sure they both have dry pussies, unless they are using some kind of artificial lube.

ok #1) ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

#2) does butter flavored Crisco work for that?

eek!

Well, now there's an adult response. Thank you for proving my point.

BTW, had you bothered to actually read my post, I said "with some exceptions." I'm sure there are older folks supporting Dean. Those people are more the exception rather than the norm.

I do think that one of the Dean campaign's stumbling blocks is that there's this sense of entitlement in the campaign - that they're morally and intellectually right beyond any doubt and that it's corrupt for anyone to question them. Thus we had Dean's whole demand for Terry McA to stop the attacks against him, as though the other Dems were just completely out of line to challenge Dean's claim to the nomination.

As for Republicans fearing Dean...oh, come on. Can you imagine the campaign ads that could be crafted just out of yesterday's temper tantrum? He's a dream opponent. In the debates all Bush would have to do is push a few buttons and in a matter of moments Dean would be on the floor kicking and screaming. We want this guy. Trust me. Kerry and Edwards are weak in their own ways, but Dean is just so spectacularly insane in this crazy-cousin-you-keep-hidden-in-the-attic kind of way that the idea of humiliating him in a campaign is just irresistable. If anything the "establishment" Dems are trying to derail him.

David Corn (also perplexed by Kucinich's alliance with Dean) argues with the Iowa process:

Yeah, right ... Dean is "spectacularly insane." Annie Coulter writes that Clark is insane. Maybe you clowns can have all the Dems institutionalized and install that dictatorship you long for by July 4.

[ January 20, 2004, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: Bill W ]

Remember,We aren't electin the wife.

In his case, yes. In others, hmmm *strokes chin*

Good idea. Miniature American flags for everyone!!! For what it's worth, I don't think Lieberman's insane.

Once again, the pot is calling the kettle black, methinks, since Coulter has sanity issues of her own....

ahhhhh.. but to the fringe right. Coulter's unique brand of insanity has been renamed "patriotism".

Rubbish? Yes. But people like Coulter and Michael Jackson choose to live in a world where they use their own definitions and not that of the rest of the world.

[ January 20, 2004, 03:26 PM: Message edited by: ung ]

William1865 is right for a change. Can you imagine the attack ads that the Repugs will put together from the "Dean goes nuts" speech? Ad: "Is this the man you want to have his finger on the nuclear button?" Kind of like the LBJ ad against Goldwater in the 60s. I'm a Democrat in Washington, not necessarily connected to Terry McAullife (sp) or anything , but politicaly savvy in my own right. You people who are still on the Dean bandwagon need to jump off before this guy takes the whole Democratic party down in flames.

I do wish Dean hadn't erupted last night--on camera. As many have said, it made him look totally loony out of context (well, even in context), and if the Democrats (Lieberman et al.) don't use it to tar and feather him, we all know what Rove, Cheney, DeLay and company are capable of. Hell, they made war hero and triple-amputee Max Cleland morph into Osama bin Laden and dumb Georgians believed it. So it really wouldn't take much to paint the "ultraliberal," "extremely anti-Bush," "angry" governor of a very small northeastern state as a total nutcase. They probably hit the video editing equipment last night....

As for Judy Dean, who cares WHAT she looks like? She's a highly regarded doctor. She did look very uncomfortable in her sweater set, though.

[ January 20, 2004, 07:36 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]

From this morning's Hotline:

Dean responded to hecklers in NH by "launching into" "The Star-Spangled Banner." Supporters "chimed in," and Dean, "his hoarse voice breaking, waved a flag and kept the crowd in song until the women were escorted out of the room" (Los Angeles Times).

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