http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/31/rudolph.a...rest/index.html

This is the best news I've heard all week. The bastard needs to fry.

Yep, this is they guy I thought it was. He has been featured on "Americas' Most Wanted" many times. He deserves to have the full weight of the justice system thrown at him. Probably also has repressed homosexual tendancies too I bet. What an ---hole!

I'm glad the "rookie" officer caught him; maybe he ought to be heading the FBI (Federal Bureau of Ineptitude). BTW, Rudolph is hardly "pro-life" since he's killed more than one person. Anti-gay anti-abortion murderer is more like it.

I was under the impression that the anti-abortion crowd preferred the term Pro-life and the anti-gay crowd Pro-Family...

Maybe he's just a Republican?

[ May 31, 2003, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: HornFan ]

Correct Fantomas...most newsroom style books have banned the term "pro-life" because it equates that there is an opposing "anti-life" or "pro-death"....you'll be hard pressed to find the term used in copy of any respected media outlet....
Similar terms like "too young to die" and "a parent's worst nightmare" have been banished also, because if someone is "too young to die", then there is someone somewhere "too old to live"....and if something is "a parent's worst nightmare" then what is "a parent's second worst nightmare"??....there isn't a list of nightmares!!!!...these cliches are usually used by anchors searching for an adlib to react and are RARELY written by newswriters and should NEVER get past copy editors...

Maybe Chimp should think about having that rookie cop sent over to Iraq to seach for those elusive WOMD.

"Probably also has repressed homosexual tendancies too I bet." (puckman01)

I agree. I find it interesting that he had a somewhat 'good' relationship w/his gay younger brother. I bet besides being 'anti-government', Eric Rudolph was probably 'anti-women' as well... He bombed a Lesbian Bar, afterall.

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"Nine months after Eric Rudolph allegedly bombed an Atlanta lesbian bar, and only three months before he became the prime suspect in the deadly bombing of an Alabama abortion clinic last January, the fugitive Rudolph paid a visit to his gay brother in New York.

...All during this time, Rudolph's younger brother Jamie, a talented recording artist who had come out to his family the year before, has been living with his male lover in a cramped, two-room apartment in New York's Greenwich Village." (source: Salon.com)


http://archive.salon.com/news/1999/01/29newsc.html

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I hope he is treated just like an international terrorist. In fact, we should be harder on domestic terrorists. Does domestic terrorism fall under the Patriot Act? Hell they should round up all these militia groups(army of god etc..)and put them in a camp. They're just as much a threat to the country as any other terrorist. Don't they train and plan the same way?

If they did this, would the Patriot Act allow them to vote in the Republican Primaries?

Of course CNN pulled an *Outsports* and spent most of their story on how Rudolph looked and why he wasnt as cute as he once was, with John Walsh providing backup.
Or thats what I got out of it while waiting in the Atlanta airport yesterday for my connection.

Two questions arise, for me anyway.
1. How did he survive in the NC mountains for all these years? It gets colder than a witch's titty up in those hills during winter time.
2. If he wasn't living in a cave, and fending off the elements, who was providing material assistance to him?

I'm expectant that he will evetually "roll over" on some of the people that gave him aid and comfort over the years. And anyone that gets fingered for helping this evil bigot should share in his fate, IMHO.

Don't agree? Think about it this way - if someone is willing to pass up on a $1 million reward, how fervent must their shared beliefs be? This whole thing is a fine opportunity to round up every white supremacist in the South and haul their asses to Gitmo. If it's good enough for the Taliban, it's good enough for White Pride!

Damn right! Send them to Gitmo. If junior is so serious about terrorism, he needs to address domestic terrorism the same way he did 9/11. The FBI watches these groups and knows what they're capable of doing. Granted, they aren't very smart, but, dumb is dangerous too. Also, if they send these morons to east disneyland, it might curtail crystal meth production.

Other viewpoints:

http://www.assaultweb.net/cgi-bin/ultimate...c;f=42;t=006854

[ June 01, 2003, 09:12 PM: Message edited by: twin58 ]

No, newsrooms et. al. don't use the term "pro-life" because it reveals there is a living human being as the victim of abortion. The entire abortion movement has been based on a lie, on hiding from the American people the truth that there is a living human being involved. Hell, even Roe v. Wade itself was based on a lie. Norma McCorvey (sp.), the Jane Roe in that case, never was raped, never was pregnant, and therefore never could have been prevented from having an abortion. (Norma has since traveled the country trying to explain this to people.)

In normal situations, this would render the original case moot and legally untenuous.

To call someone who's antiabortion "pro-life" is taboo in the abortion lobby. Their main way of surviving and continuing their charade is too constantly use euphemistic terms that dehumanize abortion's innocent victims.

Hmmm. "Dehumanize...innocent victims..." Where has history heard those terrifying terms before? Such repugnant terms have repeatedly been used to justify the slaughter of millions before; it's being used today.

Of course, had he been a rabid pro-abortionist or some other liberal, the Death Penalty wouldn't be permissible. *sigh*

Let's not refer to this situation as anything other than what it is: A nutcase who got his jollies killing people. It certainly is not "pro-life" to kill abortionists, the twisted logic of some antiabortionists notwithstanding.

It is irrelevant that he bombed the Olympics. It is irrelevant that he bombed an abortuary. However, bombing the Olympics or an abortion mill doesn't make him any more evil than any other crackpot with a wacked-out agenda.

He should be treated no differently from how the Unabomber or other violent criminal has been treated.

MIB, I don't know where you're coming from, but, I don't give a f**k about his politics. This liberal vs conservative shit goes out the window when it comes to these people. He is a terrorist, his mind is warped by fanatical beliefs and thinks that whatever god he worships is on his side. Because people like him are mind f**ked with god and paranoia, they think it's ok to kill innocent people to make their point. Eventually, these people form groups(militia, etc..) Nothing he did is irrelavent. Also, he's not just another crackpot, he had a plan and had help. He also doesn't look like someone whose been living in the woods for 5 years. He had his people helping him, they should go right to jail and watch their hero fry.

[ June 02, 2003, 07:50 AM: Message edited by: budge ]

Budge, I don't give a rat's patootie about his politics, either. I don't know why you infer I do. His actions have NOTHING to do with abortion or anything other political issue of the day. Sadly, there are those who attempt to make his politics an issue, as if his being antiabortion has anything to do with bombing places. It doesn't.

And yes, it is irrelevant as to what he bombed. He bombed places and caused death, that's what's important. Whether it was an abortuary, Olympics park, a school, a shopping mall--who cares? Attempting to blow up any such place is wrong, pure and simple.

He's a frickin' wacko who now must pay the price for his insane actions, and I have no sympathy whatsoever for such an idiot.

[ June 02, 2003, 08:53 AM: Message edited by: MIB ]

Then there's this angle:
Was Rudolph’s religion a factor?

Teachings of this movement, which includes various \"Aryan\" militias and prison gangs, \"are generally traced to two 19th-century British ministers, John Wilson and Edward Hine, who justified colonialism on the grounds that the British nation was descended from the 10 lost tribes of biblical Israel,\" the article says.

Perhaps we should relable the thread "Religious terrorist" Eric Rudolph Busted, because that is the real issue here. No matter what you're opinion on abortion, or gay rights for that matter, the black&white strict kind of "moral" thinking that Rudolph apparently follows is the problem. Because they believe that all abortions are murders of "innocent life," it is okay to attack a clinic and its workers - their deaths become morally justifiable because of the rigid religious teachings. The same can be said for his attack on the lesbian nightclub - the same radical "Christian" fringe believes that gays should be executed, so it's fine to blow up a lesbian nightclub. Don't know what the justification for the Olympic bombing was - too many non-whites?

As for MIB referring to the Birmingham clinic as an "abortuary" - let's remember these are women's clinics. I can't say for sure about the Birmingham facility, but the Planned Parenthood clinics here in DC offer services like pap smears and contraception - often for the poor who have no health insurance. One can be against abortion rights without unnecessarily smearing every single clinic and the employees who work there.

MIB, In your post you made a point saying had he been some kind of liberal striking out for liberal causes, then no one would be asking for the death penalty. You were making a political statement. I wasn't infering anything. Had he been some kind of radical leftist, he could fry just the same. I'll say it again he's not just another wacko, MIB. He was organized with his group. Even if no one died in those bombings, I would still take the hardline.

[ June 02, 2003, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: budge ]

No, his crimes were politically and ideologically motivated. He did not target random churches or businesses, he tried to--and DID--kill other human beings and destroy institutions with which he politically, ideologically and religiously disagreed. That constitutes a different order of criminality than random acts of violence, because it encompasses a different order of forethought. The Unabomber also was guilty of political crimes, though from a different ideological standpoint.

You may shout to the mountaintops that you disagree wtih someone based on their politics, their ideology, their very being, yet when you try to kill them, that is different. Ted Bundy, for example, was a nutcase who killed young women not based on their politics or ideology, but on the very fact that he could charm them and get away with it. And David Berkowitz was a mental nutcase. This anti-abortion racist fanatic wanted to hurt people specifically because of who they were, what he thought they represented or believed in, and how they lived their lives.

If an pro-abortionist were going around bombing gay bars, etc., I'd say that person deserved the severest punishment too--which to me is life imprisonment without parole, since I do not believe in the death penalty. Let God met out that punishment.

Eric's brother Jamie is gay.

Actually, I'm against the death penalty ... but I don't believe anyone (if proven guilty) should get away with murder, regardless of the "cause" they use to try to justify it.

I also have problems with people who reject the rule of law when applied to them and their actions (as, for example, by fleeing to avoid prosecution ... or taking the law into one's own hands in the first place) but want it applied to others to advance their own beliefs, whatever those beliefs may be.

And, if it matters, I'm against abortion (so the "How can you oppose X when you support Y?" thing doesn't apply) and supported peaceful efforts to restrict it ... until the legalization of RU486 made clinics largely a moot point. And until I got tired of swallowing all the crapola that typically gets bundled into the "family values" package. I even used to have friends in the "rescue" movement (two words: martyr complex eek! ).

Besides, violence isn't always about religion. From what I understand, Tim McVeigh had no particular religious motive for Oklahoma City bombing, just an extreme opposition to big government and a deep bitterness against said government as a Gulf War veteran ... none of which justified taking innocent lives. :mad:

Anyway, terrorism is terrorism, and it needs to be dealt with.

Budge, that was called sarcasm, nothing less, nothing more.

I never said it wasn't different, fantomas. I agree with you completely. Sadly, every movement has its fringe wackos.

Just as these Hamas and other Fundamentalist Muslim maniacs tarnish the good image of Islam, so does Eric Rudolph tarnish the good image of Christianity.

I often wonder, when they meet their Maker, just what God will say to those suicide bombers who stupidly believe they'll see 72 virgins as reward for their earthly actions. Similarly, I also wonder what Jesus Christ will say to those who murder on His behalf.

I don't know about you, but if someone misused MY name to try and justify murder, I'd be damn pissed off about it! Therefore, I for one would not want to be the one to face the Lord after using His name to kill. He is a forgiving God, but He is also a just God, and it's this last part that scares the living hell out of me! eek!