There's been entirely too much happiness on the Outsports board lately.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2002Mar14.html
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Ashcroft Personnel Moves Irk Career Justice Lawyers
By Ellen Nakashima and Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, March 15, 2002; Page A05
Attorney General John D. Ashcroft has moved in recent months to consolidate his control over the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, turning over control of sensitive issues traditionally handled by career lawyers to more conservative political appointees.
On a variety of issues, including voting rights and employment discrimination, Ashcroft aides have moved to limit the input of career employees, in some cases meeting with defendants without informing the career lawyers handling the cases or allowing them to be present, career lawyers said.
Political staff also took control of the department's consideration of Mississippi's redistricting plan, sources said, and rejected career lawyers' recommendation to approve a plan proposed by the state's Democratic-controlled legislature. After delays, a panel of three Republican federal judges approved a plan favorable to Rep. Charles W. "Chip" Pickering Jr. (R-Miss.), whose district was affected by the redistricting.
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Full Version: Let's Bash Ashcroft
I participated in the ACLU's efforts to prevent Ashcroft's confirmation, but to no avail. Is there any action that can be instigated to get him removed from the position?
He's a very, very dangerous politician.
He's a very, very dangerous politician.
bill. Agreed. I think of all Bush appointees the one that scares me the most is indeed, John Ashcroft.
To me the whole story of Ashcroft's covering of the breasts of the "Spirit of Justice" shows how warped his sensibilities really are.
to be fair to Ashcroft, I don't think it was the statues per se that bothered him. It was that some members of the press were getting their shits & giggles by photographing the conservative Christian Ashcroft with Spirit's bosom as a backdrop. I forget the specifics, but there was one news conference where Ashcroft was speaking about something on his conservative agenda, and the cameraman shot Ashcroft's head in such an angle that he was nestled right between Spirit's twin peaks. Whether it was intentional of not, I don't know, but the end result was pretty laughable. The statues aren't covered up all the time, just during events where the media are present, I believe. My guess is that Ashcroft is denying some liberal members of the press the satisfaction.
[quote]Originally posted by BoSoxRudy:
My guess is that Ashcroft is denying some liberal members of the press the satisfaction.
Why do you assume it's the "liberal" members of the press who are doing the giggling? Are they the only ones who participate in pre-pubescent pranks?
My guess is that Ashcroft is denying some liberal members of the press the satisfaction.
Why do you assume it's the "liberal" members of the press who are doing the giggling? Are they the only ones who participate in pre-pubescent pranks?
More bashing required.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2002Mar21.html
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Explanation Sought for Adam's Mark Decision
By Ellen Nakashima and Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, March 22, 2002; Page A06
The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee asked Attorney General John D. Ashcroft yesterday for a "full and complete explanation" of the Justice Department's decision to consider an early termination of an agreement the department signed with the Adam's Mark hotel chain to end a prominent race-discrimination case two years ago.
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Adam's Mark owner Fred S. Kummer Jr., his family, his employees and his company donated a total of $30,200 to Ashcroft's Senate campaigns. Lawyers in the case said that he boasted of his ties to Ashcroft and that he acknowledged expecting better treatment now than what he had received during the Clinton administration. But Kummer also said that Ashcroft did not involve himself in the Adam's Mark case after he took office.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2002Mar21.html
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Explanation Sought for Adam's Mark Decision
By Ellen Nakashima and Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, March 22, 2002; Page A06
The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee asked Attorney General John D. Ashcroft yesterday for a "full and complete explanation" of the Justice Department's decision to consider an early termination of an agreement the department signed with the Adam's Mark hotel chain to end a prominent race-discrimination case two years ago.
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Adam's Mark owner Fred S. Kummer Jr., his family, his employees and his company donated a total of $30,200 to Ashcroft's Senate campaigns. Lawyers in the case said that he boasted of his ties to Ashcroft and that he acknowledged expecting better treatment now than what he had received during the Clinton administration. But Kummer also said that Ashcroft did not involve himself in the Adam's Mark case after he took office.
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Yeah, we can focus on Ashcroft. But the fact remains that only a handful of Bush's appointees are above reproach. He has stacked his cabinet "power" positions with energy company lackeys and pro-fundamentalist Christians that favor violating civil liberties and violating the Constitution whenever it pleases them. Ashcroft is but one piece of a sneaky, corrupt administration.
My worst fear is that this group will get 4 more years based on the Afghan war, even though our economy is in the porcelin oval.
Let's all hope some catastrophic scandal hits the media in late 2003!
My worst fear is that this group will get 4 more years based on the Afghan war, even though our economy is in the porcelin oval.
Let's all hope some catastrophic scandal hits the media in late 2003!
No, let's not have any catastrophic scandals. Let's have people wake up and grow brains and start voting, and demanding excellence from their elected officials.
[quote]Originally posted by Joe in Philly:
No, let's not have any catastrophic scandals. Let's have people wake up and grow brains and start voting, and demanding excellence from their elected officials.
Sounds good to me - I want to see successful legislation - I don't want to root for bad things to happen so I can say " nah, nah, I told you so " Its all too impoortant for game playing.
No, let's not have any catastrophic scandals. Let's have people wake up and grow brains and start voting, and demanding excellence from their elected officials.
Sounds good to me - I want to see successful legislation - I don't want to root for bad things to happen so I can say " nah, nah, I told you so " Its all too impoortant for game playing.
[quote]Originally posted by copman:
Sounds good to me - I want to see successful legislation - I don't want to root for bad things to happen so I can say " nah, nah, I told you so " Its all too impoortant for game playing.
Yes sir. Well said, cop! The last thing this country needs is a rotten scandal--except when it involves the Clintons!
Sounds good to me - I want to see successful legislation - I don't want to root for bad things to happen so I can say " nah, nah, I told you so " Its all too impoortant for game playing.
Yes sir. Well said, cop! The last thing this country needs is a rotten scandal--except when it involves the Clintons!
Uh, yeah. I'd like to agree with you. But I think some of you are idealizing the mental capacities of middle America. There's a reason why newspapers are written to a 6th-grade level of education. That reason is that too many Americans have finished high school and never advanced beyond a 6th-grade level of thinking.
What that says about our educational system is one thing...simply another topic.
But to expect America to change and start "thinking" is more wishful than practical. The only way Dubya can lose next time around is if something really wicked becomes exposed about his gang.
We can all wish for a more informed electorate, but the exposure of Bush as a crook is far more likely to produce proper results than the some vain dream of the average Joe "waking up" to civil rights violations.
What that says about our educational system is one thing...simply another topic.
But to expect America to change and start "thinking" is more wishful than practical. The only way Dubya can lose next time around is if something really wicked becomes exposed about his gang.
We can all wish for a more informed electorate, but the exposure of Bush as a crook is far more likely to produce proper results than the some vain dream of the average Joe "waking up" to civil rights violations.
[ January 03, 2003: Message edited by: Ump25 ]
[quote]Originally posted by AU Tiger in LA:
Uh, yeah. I'd like to agree with you. But I think some of you are idealizing the mental capacities of middle America. There's a reason why newspapers are written to a 6th-grade level of education.
Excuse me, but would you please type more slowly?
Uh, yeah. I'd like to agree with you. But I think some of you are idealizing the mental capacities of middle America. There's a reason why newspapers are written to a 6th-grade level of education.
Excuse me, but would you please type more slowly?
Ashcroft's latest disgrace:
http://www.satirewire.com/news/0008/satire...-fbiteens.shtml
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SURVEY: MAJORITY OF WEB USERS ARE
FBI AGENTS POSING AS TEENAGE GIRLS
Survey Shows Evolving Web No Longer Dominated by Male Techies
NEW YORK, N.Y. (SatireWire.com) — The Internet reached a demographic milestone this week as a new study revealed that for the first time, the majority of U.S. Internet users are FBI agents posing as teenage girls.
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According to the survey, which tracked online usage from January through July, 50.4 percent of U.S. Web users -- or nearly 38 million -- are FBI agents posing as teenage girls. That's still below the percentage of FBI agents posing as teenage girls in the overall population, which according to U.S. Census figures is 55.7 percent. However, the report noted that FBI agents posing as teenage girls represent the fastest growing segment of Web users, increasing 185 percent in the past 12 months.
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SURVEY: MAJORITY OF WEB USERS ARE
FBI AGENTS POSING AS TEENAGE GIRLS
Survey Shows Evolving Web No Longer Dominated by Male Techies
NEW YORK, N.Y. (SatireWire.com) — The Internet reached a demographic milestone this week as a new study revealed that for the first time, the majority of U.S. Internet users are FBI agents posing as teenage girls.
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According to the survey, which tracked online usage from January through July, 50.4 percent of U.S. Web users -- or nearly 38 million -- are FBI agents posing as teenage girls. That's still below the percentage of FBI agents posing as teenage girls in the overall population, which according to U.S. Census figures is 55.7 percent. However, the report noted that FBI agents posing as teenage girls represent the fastest growing segment of Web users, increasing 185 percent in the past 12 months.
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[quote]Originally posted by Joe in Philly:
No, let's not have any catastrophic scandals. Let's have people wake up and grow brains and start voting, and demanding excellence from their elected officials.
Too late for that. The bar was lowered on excellence from public officials during the eight years of all-scandal-all-the-time the Clintons perpetrated on us all. After eight years of shame we can't go back. Something else to thank the Clintons and their addle-brained apologists for.
No, let's not have any catastrophic scandals. Let's have people wake up and grow brains and start voting, and demanding excellence from their elected officials.
Too late for that. The bar was lowered on excellence from public officials during the eight years of all-scandal-all-the-time the Clintons perpetrated on us all. After eight years of shame we can't go back. Something else to thank the Clintons and their addle-brained apologists for.
Well, as convenient as it is to blame the Clintonista's for the woeful state of participatory democracy in this country, the rot started with Nixon. Watergate lowered the bar for what's expected of politicans in more profound ways than Slick Willie's insatiable need to consort with trailer trash.
I have often wondered if we have EVER had an Attorney General before Ashcroft that lost an election to a dead man, like he did in the senate race in Missouri in 2000. Does anyone know? You'd think someone that KNEW the people of his own state preferred a dead man to himself would be a LITTLE more humble.
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[quote]Too late for that. The bar was lowered on excellence from public officials during the eight years of all-scandal-all-the-time the Clintons perpetrated on us all. After eight years of shame we can't go back. Something else to thank the Clintons and their addle-brained apologists for.
How convenient, and typical, that the Clintons are blamed for everything that's ever gone wrong in the world in its history, while the Reagan-Bush administration, where far more serious scandals occurred, is not mentioned. Unless one likes the idea of providing arms to terrorists in exchange for hostages. It's the same old song from the same old RepubliScum party apologists. Sorry, but some of us don't listen to the oldies stations.
How convenient, and typical, that the Clintons are blamed for everything that's ever gone wrong in the world in its history, while the Reagan-Bush administration, where far more serious scandals occurred, is not mentioned. Unless one likes the idea of providing arms to terrorists in exchange for hostages. It's the same old song from the same old RepubliScum party apologists. Sorry, but some of us don't listen to the oldies stations.
On Ashcroft and Fred S. Kummer Jr., HBE Corporatin CEO (Adams Mark Hotels) - some background not in the Post story:
- Mr. Relman said that career lawyers at the civil rights division who were not part of the meeting between Mr. Boyd and the company's representatives have told him that the hotel chain was not performing well.
- .....Mr. Kummer has never accepted that he has problems in his company. \"He scoffed at the allegations all along and told me once that his guy won the election, and it could help him get out of the decree,\" Mr. Relman said.
- Kummer told him that he attended the wedding of a daughter of Mr. Ashcroft. When he was governor, Mr. Ashcroft appointed Mr. Kummer to the University of Missouri board of curators. Mr. Kummer, members of his family and HBE officials donated a total of $15,700 to Mr. Ashcroft's 1994 and 2000 Senate campaigns, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. HBE donated $10,000 in soft money in 1999 to Mr. Ashcroft's failed presidential bid.
[quote]Originally posted by Wurm:
On Ashcroft and Fred S. Kummer Jr., HBE Corporatin CEO (Adams Mark Hotels) - some background not in the Post story:
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Coincidences? Surrrrrre......
Wurm, what's the source for this?
On Ashcroft and Fred S. Kummer Jr., HBE Corporatin CEO (Adams Mark Hotels) - some background not in the Post story:
[snip]
Coincidences? Surrrrrre......
Wurm, what's the source for this?
[quote]Originally posted by Munson Man:
Too late for that. The bar was lowered on excellence from public officials during the eight years of all-scandal-all-the-time the Clintons perpetrated on us all. After eight years of shame we can't go back. Something else to thank the Clintons and their addle-brained apologists for.
Uh duh, let's OPEN A HISTORY BOOK! Scandal-all-the-time long predates Nixon and Clinton, people! There was Ulysses S. Grant, there was Warren G. Harding...and don't forget Mr. Iran Contra himself (who followed in Nixon's footsteps), Ronald Reagan! I am amazed by all the Republicans who crow about Clinton's scandals, which for the most part were hatched by right-wingers from Day One of his administration. Just look at the most recent report by former Independent Counsel Robert Ray--the Clintons were NOT GUILTY of any of the crap they were blamed for.
Too late for that. The bar was lowered on excellence from public officials during the eight years of all-scandal-all-the-time the Clintons perpetrated on us all. After eight years of shame we can't go back. Something else to thank the Clintons and their addle-brained apologists for.
Uh duh, let's OPEN A HISTORY BOOK! Scandal-all-the-time long predates Nixon and Clinton, people! There was Ulysses S. Grant, there was Warren G. Harding...and don't forget Mr. Iran Contra himself (who followed in Nixon's footsteps), Ronald Reagan! I am amazed by all the Republicans who crow about Clinton's scandals, which for the most part were hatched by right-wingers from Day One of his administration. Just look at the most recent report by former Independent Counsel Robert Ray--the Clintons were NOT GUILTY of any of the crap they were blamed for.
fantomas. I whole heartidly agree with your assement re: scandals. As long as we have politicians both Republican and Democrat there will be scandals. its simply a fact of life. Some of more memorable than others, and some are bigger than others. Clinton certainly did not invent the scandal but takes most of the recent blame, of which there is plent enough to go around.
[quote]Originally posted by twin58:
Wurm, what's the source for this?
Ft. Lauderdale Scum-Sentnel, print edition (couldn't find it online) picked up from a wire service.
Although this specific story is about our lovely AG, I personally DETEST this aspect of money in politics, no matter what party or label: sure it is (within reason) a matter of free expression to contribute to those who support policies that you do, but to have a SPECIFIC REQUEST that will be made as soon as the "boy" takes office smacks of a bagman delivering bundles of cash in a brown paper bag.
And the fact that political media people can't get these points across during campaigns is perplexing at best - for example, I think that, exploited correctly (and I mean exploited in its non-perjorative sense), the 1998 courting of the Taliban by Enron and others (some of whom are now connected with the GWBush Administration) at The Woodlands (Houston suburb) in conjunction with a proposed pipeline is political dynamite - it would make the amateur machinations of Lord and Lady Macb.. err the Clintons pale by comaprison.
Wurm, what's the source for this?
Ft. Lauderdale Scum-Sentnel, print edition (couldn't find it online) picked up from a wire service.
Although this specific story is about our lovely AG, I personally DETEST this aspect of money in politics, no matter what party or label: sure it is (within reason) a matter of free expression to contribute to those who support policies that you do, but to have a SPECIFIC REQUEST that will be made as soon as the "boy" takes office smacks of a bagman delivering bundles of cash in a brown paper bag.
And the fact that political media people can't get these points across during campaigns is perplexing at best - for example, I think that, exploited correctly (and I mean exploited in its non-perjorative sense), the 1998 courting of the Taliban by Enron and others (some of whom are now connected with the GWBush Administration) at The Woodlands (Houston suburb) in conjunction with a proposed pipeline is political dynamite - it would make the amateur machinations of Lord and Lady Macb.. err the Clintons pale by comaprison.
[quote]Originally posted by Ump25:
Add to this the stupid female vote--most of it sympathy votes. Poor Jean Carnahan, her husband, a rather good Governor, dies tragically and her wife is unconstitutionally appointed to take his spot.
EXCUSE f**kING ME! IF SOMEONE IS DEAD, HE CANNOT BE "ELECTED." Therefore, if one cannot be "elected," his office cannot become "vacant" and therefore open to an appointment.
They must have received their training in Cook County.
Or, maybe, just possibly, could it be FLORIDA? I heard there was some sort of voting irregularity there in 2000, and I'm sure it was a left-wing caused event, they always are!
Add to this the stupid female vote--most of it sympathy votes. Poor Jean Carnahan, her husband, a rather good Governor, dies tragically and her wife is unconstitutionally appointed to take his spot.
EXCUSE f**kING ME! IF SOMEONE IS DEAD, HE CANNOT BE "ELECTED." Therefore, if one cannot be "elected," his office cannot become "vacant" and therefore open to an appointment.
They must have received their training in Cook County.
Or, maybe, just possibly, could it be FLORIDA? I heard there was some sort of voting irregularity there in 2000, and I'm sure it was a left-wing caused event, they always are!
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