http://www.msnbc.com/news/938073.asp

Chimps approval now at 55%, down 16 points from mid April.

Hot Damn! The American people are finally waking up to the big mess the Shrub has created.

Raze i thought ratings and poll numbers were over-rated and dumb?

Well, until you find one you like...

well....I like this one.

Is this really how sad the libs have become?

55% approval rating and you dance in the streets? Dems have no viable candidate, except the sacrifial lamb they will put out to lose to W in 04.

do you really think Hillary will let the dems win this time.... uh huh...

You mean the way they're dancing in the streets of Iraq?

"bring em on"

Like i said, the democratic party has no leadership... no vision. NOTHING.

When was the last fresh idea to come from any canidate? the 10 trillion for univ health care?

at 55% bush wins the next election in a landslide, at 51% he wins in a landslide... Get back to me when W's got a 20% approval rating like your buddy who's led California into economic crisis, only to be terminated by ahhhhnold in a few months.

Nothing is considered a fresh idea from rethuglicans unless it involves a tax cut for Bill Gates, Buffett, et al

"Leave no billionare behind"

As i said nothing new and fresh, ummm unless you count the whole DOMA legislation billy bob pushed down our throats.... well and a few chics he met.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

C'mon Phillyfan. The freshest idea the Repuglicans have come up with in the past 4 years is debt that is so high its out of sight. Now I call that fresh.

RazorbackTX
Just for the record, I had nothing to do with the DOMA. I have never mentioned it at outsports.
Hope this clears up any possible confusion.

"It's very interesting when you think about it, the slaves who left here to go to America, because of their steadfast and their religion and their belief in freedom, helped change America."—W, in Dakar, Senegal, July 8, 2003

And he deserves four more years???

Thanks for clearing that up BB but I was pretty sure he wasnt referring to you. You see PhillyFan is obsessed with Clinton and DOMA, he can hardly let a post go by without mentioning it, no matter what the subject matter. I have encouraged him to seek professional help but to no avail.

I appreciate the fact that you had nothing to do with pushing DOMA "down our throats."

wink

The economy is tanking, unemployment is at a 9-year high & appears set to rise some more (the new fiscal year beginning July 1 will result in many state & municipal government employees being laid off), what remains of the social safety net is being dismantled, no action (other than feeding Martha S. to the lions) is taken to stem rampant corporate corruption, the Iraq adventure is turning into a costly quagmire with no exit strategy, & W.'s approval rating is at 55%?! And this is something we're supposed to be happy about?

We shouldn't put too much stock in poll numbers, knowing how easily these things can be manipulated. But perhaps one should read the entire story to the last paragraph, which reads:
"When registered voters were asked who they would vote for in a general presidential election between Bush and a Democratic opponent, Bush won every race—against Dean (53 percent vs. 38 percent), Edwards (51 percent vs. 39 percent), Gephardt (51 percent vs. 42 percent), Kerry (50 percent vs. 42 percent) and Lieberman (52 percent vs. 39 percent)." The Democrats lost the presidency during a time of general peace & unprecedented prosperity. (Rigged election notwithstanding, it shouldn't even have been close.) Then with a poor economy & living standards in decline, the foreign policy train wreck, & the bleeding ulcer that Iraq is becoming for American troops, Bush appears poised to beat any Democratic challenger hands-down. I guess this is proving to be the refutation of James Carville's most famous words.

[ July 15, 2003, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: BillyBones ]

Someone would have to traslate his trailer park talk to english....

Someone would have to traslate his trailer park talk to english....

Could someone please translate what "traslate" means??

I was gonna correct that post for spellin... but i refuse to now....

Don't feel the need to correct your posts for "spellin", you'd never get any work done!

DUIbya can raise all the money he wants, but he's going to have a race on his hands. It's interesting that Gephardt does as well as Kerry. We'll see what happens if the Dems can persuade Clark to step in as VP candidate. The W and the Cryptdweller, Cheney, will really have a race on their hands....

Big, big article from the A.P. in my paper this morning. The R.N.C. is plenty worried about how Shrubs popularity is plummeting due to any number of reasons. They are especially concerned, esp. about the economy and Iraq, and that quagmire we are in at the moment. They credited the fact that there are 9 Demos out there every day hammering away at Shrub as well. Saw a news story the other night on ABC about the state of the economy and the consensus seems to be at the moment that Shrubs latest tax cuts will have little or no effect on the economy. Not until business has much much more confidence will things start to improve. Go Dean Go!!!!

Dropping...dropping..
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07...0/bush.poll.ap/
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Half in the poll, 50 percent, said it was likely they would support Bush's re-election, while almost that many, 46 percent, said it was unlikely.

I thought I heard something dropping.

It almost seems that history is repeating itself....win war over Iraq and ignore the economy...lose in the next election.

Irrelevant but interesting ICM poll on President Bush in Britain.

"From everything you have seen or heard are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the job George Bush is doing as the President of the USA?"

All-
Satisfied 27% Dissatisfied 57% Dont know 16%

Labour voters-
Satisfied 39% Dissatisfied 49% Dont know 12%

Conservative voters-
Satisfied 36% Dissatisfied 50% Dont know 13%

LibDem (centre party) voters-
Satisfied 15% Dissatisfied 73% Dont know 13%

- Interesting because it seems our response to him is not ideological but cultural. He gets slightly less support from right-wing voters tha from Labour supporters.

[ July 24, 2003, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: jamesw ]

The latest NBC/Wall St. Journal poll numbers are out, and it sure looks bad for Shrub, but great for the Democrats. A measely 49% of the people are satisifed with Shrub at this time. Lowest numbers for him, ever.

You know...

I just saw in the usa today... W's numbers are highest of any pres since.. kennedy, i think, at this point in his term.. so try again bois.

In September 1983, Reagan trailed Mondale and a couple other Democrats by a margin larger than by which Bush trails Clark/Dean/Kerry. Reagan beat Mondale in a landslide.

In 1995, Clinton trailed Dole by a margin larger than by which Bush trails Clark/Dean/Kerry. Clinton beat Dole handily.

How soon some people forget.

I agree, what the numbers show, is that Bush could be defeated, not that he will.
A few points, Even some pork chop eating, dixie chic supporting pinko commies such as my self knew that walter mondale would have been a disater for the USA. Clinton had a better record to run on.
Bush (IMO) is on a knife edge, I think his weak spot could be a jobless recovery tied to a ton of money pouring into his campain.
I hope Iraq is not an issue ( even tho I want Bush defeated) because then maybe our troops will be home

Um, this isn't exactly correct. Above info from MSNBC's Altercation

and here is why his number might not matter at all
http://www.equalccw.com/voteprar.html

Yep, PF things are going great for Bush, easy relection....you keep telling yourself that, oh, and spread the word!

Enjoy your convention:
http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/...pheadlines-span

President Bush's approval rating has suffered a double-digit drop among New York voters in five months and about one-quarter of Republicans now say they will vote against him, a statewide poll reported Tuesday.

The downturn for Bush comes in the wake of boasting by Republican Gov. George Pataki and other top New York GOP officials that the president will carry the Empire State next year.

Bush's approval rating was 44 percent in the New York poll, down from 58 percent in April and a high of 79 percent in December 2001.

My Dad, a staunch Bush supporter, told me last night he has lost his faith in Bush and is seriously looking at CLARK!!!

I'm stunned as my Dad has never NOT voted Republican!!!!

Interesting.
There is a guy in my office who has been 100% Bush supporter/apologist...
everything is Clinton's fault...if not Saddams or bin laden's fault....Bush can do no wrong...ect ect
Last week he told me he was "through" with Bush.
Welcome aboard!!

One of my best friends who is a staunch Republican and was an avid supporter of W said the same thing -- Bush is losing part of his Republican base not to mention that the independents (who decide most elections) are turning their backs on him as well.

It sure sounds like history is repeating itself again, what with Shrub Jr. in deep trouble, and then his Dad was in the same boat when he tried to run again. Remember????

Look, Bush wasn't going to win New York State in any way form or fashion, no matter how popular Pataki is. His concern has to be the states that could shift to the Democrats, like Ohio, Missouri, New Hampshire, West Virginia, and Nevada, and the states that Gore BARELY won, like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and New Mexico. The continuing problems in Iraq endanger W's chances in the former (since they trend more Republican) and the continuing economic problems threaten W's chances to capture the latter (since the loss of manufacturing jobs has had a devastating effect on Midwesterners).

I heard a public radio report on Ohio, which went for W in 2000, and many people in some of the older manufacturing-heavy cities there were decrying the steady loss of jobs and the lack of options. Many felt like they had no support in Washington, and wanted a change, even though they supported the president strongly on Iraq. So they weren't totally against W, but many were really scared about their futures. This is a serious issue that I'm sure he knows he's got to address.

Also, keep in mind once again that even losing the entire South, Gore would have won had the vote swung just a few points his way in New Hampshire. I can see any Democratic candidate winning by margins of 5%-25% every state on the West coast, every state from Maryland north to Maine on the East coast, Hawaii, and actually picking up a few midwestern states. If Clark is in it, then the Democrats will win Arkansas as well. W's handlers realize the situation is growing grave, so I'm very interested to see what rabbit they'll put of their hats. Will it be Saddam or Osama?

Looks like history is repeating itself.....

The Bushes are so arrogent and lack the least bit of humility, they don't even learn from their own mistakes.

Bush is even doing very poorly in PhillyFan's backyard. From The Arizona Republic: Just a third of Arizonans give thumbs up to Bush second term

Man, this is bad for Chimpy, even FAUX "wholly without merit" News has him at 50%

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98328,00.html

The poll also finds that 50 percent of Americans approve and 40 percent disapprove of the job Bush is doing as president.

I have a friend, who months ago, stated quite clearly that he did not even believe that Bush would be renominated by the republican party in 2004. He went on to say that things would get so bad on another of things that the GOP powers that be, would force him to step aside for somebody else. The question is who? Certainly not Cheney.

[ September 26, 2003, 07:30 AM: Message edited by: billybob ]

NO way do I see the GOP not putting Bush up as their ticket. That would send the message that they made the wrong choice 3 years ago...which they did, but as Republicans they will NEVER admit when they are wrong.

Uh oh, trouble in ARIZONA??? W can't win without those Western states...there ain't enough electoral votes in the deep South and Wyoming! I bet Arizona gets some goodies sooner rather than later, even with that really tough Democratic dude, I mean, woman running the show. Phillyfan, what say you?

I know this is a little off-topic, but I was bothered by Dean and Kerry's comments last night about Wesley Clark's early support of Bush. Why is it that career politicians cannot bring themselves to support or approve of their opposition when they are doing a good job?

Job performance approval ratings are just that - the percentage of people who approve of how the President is performing his job. The question is not, "Do you agree with the President's ideology?" Approval numbers go up and down based on how the Prez is doing. If you are supposed to (dis)approve of the President from Day 1, simply because of his party affiliation, then there is no need for polls. You can just count the number of registered voters in each party. Fortunately, most people are pretty fair-minded and will say Yes when the Prez is doing well and No when he's lousing things up.

Of course, there are also a lot of hard-line partisans out there who will say they (dis)approve of the Prez even if he solves world hunger or nukes Canada. But hey, polls are only as good as the people who resond.

Well good job, i dont consider our gov a chic either...

Remember one thing, pulling something fromt he AZ repulsive is not a good thing... Accuracy of the sports page for one...

However if i got the call for this poll, i'd go under the undecided vote. Never forget, that PF did vote for the current dude, i mean chic in office. I will cross party lines if something makes me angry.

You go PF!!!!!

Once upon a time - I actually voted for a Republican.

In reality I use to subscribe to the Republican agenda, even campaigned for Bob Dole (and met Elizabeth). Then I became even more involved, paid attention to more detail, got more educated and ultimately realized at the end of the day I fall more into line with the ideals and policy of the Democrats. Not to mention that 1992 Republican Convention that showed their true colors. At least, in that case, there was no hiding EXACTLY how they felt about homosexual Americans.

Yes, I'm a proud (although less under this administration), PATRIOTIC American that served this country under the former Bush in the USAF. NOTHING is more insulting then to have my patriotism called into question for not supporting the policies of this administration. Questioning our leadership is one of the reasons this country is the United States of America and not still a British colony.

See, at the end of the day, I'm more concerned how we treat each other and how we respect our world, versus how much money I have in my savings account or how many countries "love" us based on how much money we've placed in thiers.

[ September 29, 2003, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: PewterPirate ]

Great post, PewterPirate!

[ September 27, 2003, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]

So what did Bush accomplish by his speaking engagement with the UN?

Did any of our "friends" support money or troops?

NO!

Not because they are not are friends but because they don't subscribe to his policy.

When will his approval numbers be in the 30's? Hopefully, this time next year...

Forgive me... But when my friends ask me to lend them a substantial amount of money (more than $50), I always ask "what's it for?"

We're asking other nations to donate lives and money, we also have to answer what it's for.