When will these right wing, wing nuts get it? I believe all the businesses listed in this two page ad should be forced to place a sign in their business window saying "No Sodomites Allowed" so it would be easier to NOT do business with them.
Asheville Citizen-Times
Backlash of letters to the Editor over this two page ad.
Letters to the Editor
[ March 11, 2006, 05:48 AM: Message edited by: gadbearr ]
Full Version: Two Page Ad in News Paper Backfires!
A strange apology. On the one hand, they say:
We strongly support the right of all citizens to publicly present their opinions, whether or not we agree with them, and it was that paramount value that caused us to accept the advertisement for publication.
but then say,
In doing so, we failed, however, to live up to another value that is equally central to our ability to function with integrity. For that, we would like to express our remorse and offer an apology.
In allowing the use of the word "sodomites," we allowed an entire group of people to be referred to with disrespect and contempt.
Had they used a word other than "sodomites," would such a hateful ad be acceptable?
But then they continue to defend their right to publish the ad, and don't say that they won't do it again,
While we regret the use of inflammatory and disrespectful language, we believe we made the right decision in allowing the individuals, businesses and churches who sponsored the advertisement to speak their minds, even though the publisher and editorial board of this newspaper fervently disagree with their position and have and continue to support the rights of all citizens, including those who are gay.
So would it be acceptable for gays to submit an anti-Christian ad? I suppose as long as they paid their bill.
But then they admonish the Christians with their own words,
But even if you don’t give credence to either the evidence or the witness of gay men and lesbians, for Christians to condemn them and to advocate that they be harmed by being discriminated against seems to fly in the face of everything Jesus Christ preached and practiced. There are very few references to homosexuality in the Bible and none attributed to Christ.
But in Matthew, Chapter 7, verses 1-3 (King James version), Christ says, “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
And in Mark, Chapter 12, verses 29-31, he is quoted thus: “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love they neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”
There are no exceptions in that commandment for neighbors of whose gender preference one disapproves. It would seem that these unequivocal words from the mouth of Christ himself would outweigh all else.
The Letters to the Editor are really good. Intelligent, well-written.
[ March 11, 2006, 06:55 AM: Message edited by: canmark ]
We strongly support the right of all citizens to publicly present their opinions, whether or not we agree with them, and it was that paramount value that caused us to accept the advertisement for publication.
but then say,
In doing so, we failed, however, to live up to another value that is equally central to our ability to function with integrity. For that, we would like to express our remorse and offer an apology.
In allowing the use of the word "sodomites," we allowed an entire group of people to be referred to with disrespect and contempt.
Had they used a word other than "sodomites," would such a hateful ad be acceptable?
But then they continue to defend their right to publish the ad, and don't say that they won't do it again,
While we regret the use of inflammatory and disrespectful language, we believe we made the right decision in allowing the individuals, businesses and churches who sponsored the advertisement to speak their minds, even though the publisher and editorial board of this newspaper fervently disagree with their position and have and continue to support the rights of all citizens, including those who are gay.
So would it be acceptable for gays to submit an anti-Christian ad? I suppose as long as they paid their bill.
But then they admonish the Christians with their own words,
But even if you don’t give credence to either the evidence or the witness of gay men and lesbians, for Christians to condemn them and to advocate that they be harmed by being discriminated against seems to fly in the face of everything Jesus Christ preached and practiced. There are very few references to homosexuality in the Bible and none attributed to Christ.
But in Matthew, Chapter 7, verses 1-3 (King James version), Christ says, “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
And in Mark, Chapter 12, verses 29-31, he is quoted thus: “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love they neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”
There are no exceptions in that commandment for neighbors of whose gender preference one disapproves. It would seem that these unequivocal words from the mouth of Christ himself would outweigh all else.
The Letters to the Editor are really good. Intelligent, well-written.
[ March 11, 2006, 06:55 AM: Message edited by: canmark ]
There is another letter to the editor today. Very well written. Here is the link and the text:
Citizen-Times Link
Jesus never said a word about homosexuality
It’s time for “Christians” like the author of the letter, “Bible clearly and totally condemns homosexuality,” (AC-T, Feb. 19), to study the Bible. She calls herself a Christian, yet talks like a Pharisee. Jesus doesn’t mention homosexuality. Jesus does, however, make very clear reference to adultery. Jesus speaks four times, unambiguously, of those who are divorced. In Mark he makes absolutely no exceptions. The Old Testament speaks of homosexuality and so does Paul.
However, as a Christian, I believe the words of Jesus must be paramount. Why do “Christians” like the letter writer find homosexuality more of a sin than divorce? She states: “Just because they call themselves Christians does not mean that they are, no more than a liar or a thief.” Does she apply these discoveries to divorcees or to women (divorced or not) who are active leaders within the church? How about politicians who are morally and ethically challenged like Rep. Tom DeLay? Is she using relativism in the manner that right-wingers chastise liberals? Of course she is. Right-wing Christians like herself use proof-texting to fudge a point.
However, there is no Jesus statement to proof text on homosexuality, while there are four against divorce.
Willard Cottrell,
Burnsville
Citizen-Times Link
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Jesus never said a word about homosexuality
It’s time for “Christians” like the author of the letter, “Bible clearly and totally condemns homosexuality,” (AC-T, Feb. 19), to study the Bible. She calls herself a Christian, yet talks like a Pharisee. Jesus doesn’t mention homosexuality. Jesus does, however, make very clear reference to adultery. Jesus speaks four times, unambiguously, of those who are divorced. In Mark he makes absolutely no exceptions. The Old Testament speaks of homosexuality and so does Paul.
However, as a Christian, I believe the words of Jesus must be paramount. Why do “Christians” like the letter writer find homosexuality more of a sin than divorce? She states: “Just because they call themselves Christians does not mean that they are, no more than a liar or a thief.” Does she apply these discoveries to divorcees or to women (divorced or not) who are active leaders within the church? How about politicians who are morally and ethically challenged like Rep. Tom DeLay? Is she using relativism in the manner that right-wingers chastise liberals? Of course she is. Right-wing Christians like herself use proof-texting to fudge a point.
However, there is no Jesus statement to proof text on homosexuality, while there are four against divorce.
Willard Cottrell,
Burnsville
But I thought inclusion wins? I'll bet a dollar we don't hear a peep from the right wing nut-jobs that frequent this board. Too bad those right wingers never crack open that Bible...they just might learn something about Jesus.
The writers of the ad probably read the Readers Digest abridged version of the Bible, no need to read whole texts and get confused by the details.
Someone send them a memo, the King James version of the Bible was sponsored by a big homo monarch.
Someone send them a memo, the King James version of the Bible was sponsored by a big homo monarch.
And someone tell the Bible literalists that the Bible is not really one book, but a series of books written over about a thousand year period. The books that eventually went into the Bible were selected by a committee about 300 years after Jesus died.
Has anyone ever served on a committee? Then you know how concensus is reached, and decisions are made.
Has anyone ever served on a committee? Then you know how concensus is reached, and decisions are made.
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Has anyone ever served on a committee? Then you know how concensus is reached, and decisions are made.
Ooo-ooo!! I know, I know!! A bunch of old white men choose what is best in keeping the status quo for them. Am I right? wink
Now Millerboy, don't confuse the issues. Your reference to "inclusion wins" casts inaccurate aspersions on Log Cabin in this mess, which the letter writers of NC seem entirely capable of mastering, I'm happy to see. I don't blame you for being unaware that LCR has consistently worked against these Bible thumpers from the time we were founded in California in the '70s to turn back an effort by a former Hoosier "reverend" to ban gays and lesbians from teaching in our public schools. Even then-Gov. Reagan worked with us against that one. And don't forget that LCR's former-Executive Director Rich Tafel was himself an ordained American (NOT Southern) Baptist minister. But since the gay press continues to sweep these facts under the rug to move its petulant Demo-only agenda, you can't be blamed for not knowing. So there you have it - "peep."
BTW, I'm more an Old Testament kinda guy. Better plot lines, more believable characters and best of all, no St. Paul! wink
BTW, I'm more an Old Testament kinda guy. Better plot lines, more believable characters and best of all, no St. Paul! wink
We got the ad in the mail yesterday. My partner's Dad mailed it to us. It was a two page, (facing page) ad. The left page had all the Bible scriptures. The right page had the piece at the top about the Wolf Laurel Ski Resort that started all this and then all the businesses and people that signed making their statement of faith and belief that all sodomites are going to hell. My partner actually recognized some of the names and businesses on the list. I suggested we get a sign for each business and place in their window "No Sodomites Allowed" so we would know to never shop there or buy any of their services.
Edited to add the link to the story about Wolf Laurel.
[ March 14, 2006, 08:55 AM: Message edited by: gadbearr ]
Edited to add the link to the story about Wolf Laurel.
[ March 14, 2006, 08:55 AM: Message edited by: gadbearr ]
Gadbear, has your partner's Dad made any contact with these businesses? I'd love to see a list of them.
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Aubie In Bham:
Gadbear, has your partner's Dad made any contact with these businesses? I'd love to see a list of them.
No, not yet. We have the two page ad and we both were looking it over last night. The text is extremely tiny so they could fit a lot of names on there. Most of the businesses were like this: Example Only, these are not the real names:Gadbear, has your partner's Dad made any contact with these businesses? I'd love to see a list of them.
Bobby Joe's Plumbing & Welding
Sue Ellen's Hair Parlor and Taxidermy
Trixie's Ruffed Original Curtains
Dicky Dew's Bug Killers
You get the idea!!
There were not any National or Franchise business names. I wish there was a way for everyone to see the ad. I wish there was a way for the HRC to get the information too. Anyone have any ideas. Maybe they could check it out for us.[ March 14, 2006, 09:06 AM: Message edited by: gadbearr ]
My, oh my, GMGINSFO, you certainly assume a lot by the phrase "inclusion wins". And oh, what is that old saying about assuming? I certainly would never infer anything about Log Cabin, as I feel it would be a waste of keystrokes. By the way, interesting you prefer the Old Testament, as indicated in the quote below:
"BTW, I'm more an Old Testament kinda guy. Better plot lines, more believable characters and best of all, no St. Paul!"
Need I remind you that the scriptures (Gospel) of Jesus Christ (words that came directly out of his mouth while he graced planet Earth) are in four books in the New Testament? Did you convert to Judism by chance? Sure, Christians acknowledge and read the Old Testament, but the Gospel of Jesus Christ comes from the New Testament. Must I take you to church?
"BTW, I'm more an Old Testament kinda guy. Better plot lines, more believable characters and best of all, no St. Paul!"
Need I remind you that the scriptures (Gospel) of Jesus Christ (words that came directly out of his mouth while he graced planet Earth) are in four books in the New Testament? Did you convert to Judism by chance? Sure, Christians acknowledge and read the Old Testament, but the Gospel of Jesus Christ comes from the New Testament. Must I take you to church?
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