Yeah, it's MUCH better to have hundreds or thousands of homes destroyed and dozens of people killed by out-of-control fires. Perhaps you ought to tell this to CA. residents.

Always putting trees above property and human lives the Left is. Sick, plain sick.

My guess is there are about eight of them throughout the nation, not counting the Log Cabin cheerleaders waving their GOP pom-poms.

It's more likely that a VERY LARGE majority of conservatives -- 85 percent or more -- support such legislation.

.....looked like Castro on a bad day!

The military doesn't allow gays either, is the military a bunch of "clowns" too ?

No it's just typical democrats blaming everything on republicans, it's the hip thing to do. Let's see how many names can we call the president that are cool; W, bush, shrub, isn't this fun. I feel so important, I'm cracking on the president, I'm smart and intellectual.

Maybe we just got Pandorra's Box for Christmas.

So do we open it, toss it or give it back.

We could do a scan to try to figure out what's in it.

A compromise would suggest we open it just a tiny bit to see what's inside then close it real quick.

Questions, questions, questions...Did curiosity really kill that damned cat? I'd say toss it.

Lost in the hoopla of Saddam's capture was this intriguing story from the London Telegraph. Hope this link works, you might have to register. Here are some snippets...

Iraq's coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.

Details of Atta's visit to the Iraqi capital in the summer of 2001, just weeks before he launched the most devastating terrorist attack in US history, are contained in a top secret memo written to Saddam Hussein, the then Iraqi president, by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service...

In the memo, Habbush reports that Atta "displayed extraordinary effort" and demonstrated his ability to lead the team that would be "responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy".

The second part of the memo, which is headed "Niger Shipment", contains a report about an unspecified shipment - believed to be uranium - that it says has been transported to Iraq via Libya and Syria...

Something smells fishy here. $750,000 in AMERICAN currency. I know we are on the verge of making Iraq the 51st state with our habitation of this far-away land, but can you really use American currency at the local grab-a-bomb store in Iraq? Who else thinks catching him alive is a problem for this lying administration? If they put him to death, he becomes a martyr for all of the people in Iraq who STILL proclaim him to be their leader. There is no way the punk-ass-chimp will turn him over to the Iraqis to deal with the situation. Killing him in an explosion would have been terrible for the administration since a lot of people would not believe this lying administration's declaration that DNA tests proved him to be dead. So, now that they have him (or someone who looks a lot like a bewildered [drugged?] Saddam) on video as alive, the whole world now believes him to be alive...he'll now probably be killed by the administration as a result of some "hostile" action on his part to solve the whole messy situation they have found themselves in.

We just lost Bobbie. I think this triumph has driven him off the cliff, as Newt Gingrich might say.

The capture is no guarantee of a stable Iraq (P. Cockburn)


Reality check: This bombing on another police station shows that the \"insurgency\" is not coming to a miraculous, sudden end...

Yeah, especially since we found all those WMDs in the "spider hole" with him, right? And that "democratic" government is fully in place, and free to disagree with the US on anything?

[ December 15, 2003, 07:06 AM: Message edited by: Bill W ]

Right about that! Even the Fab Five couldn't help Saddam.

Bobby, yes, U.S. dollars are accepted the world over. In fact, it's the preferred currency. No one will ever turn you down for dollars--especially in third world countries where there's a thriving black market. It's steadier than local currency, it's needed for travel abroad, people who keep some of their income in cash to avoid taxes will often want to convert to dollars (more reliable, etc). Even Saddam had the foresight to know that handing someone a stack of bills with his face on them would not be particularly effective once he was removed from power.

You may have missed the stories about Saddam's last days in power--there were reports of his sons going to banks in Baghdad and withdrawing millions of dollars in cash. There were other stories about troops finding cash (always U.S. dollars) hidden in houses abandoned by his cronies. The only way for him and his cronies to have stayed alive was to bribe people--so they needed cash.

I suppose that if I spent the last 9 months in a fog thinking Saddam was in his Dr. Evil lair plotting revenge, I too would have a hard time believing it was him. But I'm not that imaginative/inexperienced.

This is great news for Iraq and the world in general. No question about it, good news for Bushie also.

Note to Saddam: The grunge look is so not working for you.

What color is the sky in your world bluebird? W would never bring him back here to America and put him on trial or kill him. Imagine that circus if the trial was here... Imagine him demanding rights... then grabbing the biggest scum ball lawyer...

Do you watch the news at all? He was already going on trial, in Iraq. This was set into motion months ago.

This is great news for the war on terror. With all the talk of people not going with us, being scared of sadaam coming back, we get to find out if that was true or not.

Perhaps after a little shock therapy, we'll get the info we've wanted from him.

Dont you mean shock and awe therapy?

GO DOLPHINS!!!

How is this great news for the "war" on terror? He had no WMDs...no connection to al Qaeda...as a matter of fact, this is "good" news to the regime in Washington and all the dunderheads who follow them like rats to a piece of cheese. 323 days until our regime change!

You're High dude, Sadaam was seen as a hero by many arabs. It's a badge of honor to die for your cause... He did nto fight and gleefully gave himself up. On top of that, their hero looked like nothing more than a bum pulled off the street. He looked like the coward that he is.

Now bobby, you're been running around screaming that we invaded and couldnt catch the rat, who was hiding in a 6 foot hole... now he is found... so what, you moving onto something different? Or you gonna give the american troops some props?

As far as political gain by W... well i'm sure the dean-o campagn was up all night crying...

How is this great news for the "war" on terror?

Okay, then, it's a great day for our President Bush. Better?

Saddam's capture and the images of his pathetic state are a 9/11 to our enemies. Great news for the war on terror would be an understatement. Huge news in the Arab world. Huge. Some of our enemies talk a lot of shit, but we will wipe them out, one after the other. Thank GOD we have Bush in the White House. As someone put it yesterday regarding Dean: Americans prefer shock and awe to hide and run.

[ December 15, 2003, 09:12 AM: Message edited by: TomFord ]

He might be the president of MY country, but he's YOUR punk-ass-chimp, not mine. There, that's better!

The troops of MY country did what they have been forced to do...their job.
As for Howard Dean crying...it's nothing compared to the crybaby the punk-ass-chimp is going to be in 323 days.

Maybe bluebird also needs some of that shock therapy....

See link above, as well as documents uncovered by the Weekly Standard. There is growing evidence that Saddam and AlQ were linked to some degree.

Bobbie is like some kind of political drag queen, all show and drama and over-the-topness.

Like Raze said, "Shock and awe" therapy. Yeah, right, give it to me -- it won't be the first crime against humanity this regime has committed.

Oh, yes, The Weekly Standard...the most-anti-partisan website around. Yeah, right. I bet they've got the proof of WMD locations, too.

Hey Bobby, do you and Saddam share a speechwriter?

Bobbitto: "As for Howard Dean crying...it's nothing compared to the crybaby the punk-ass-chimp is going to be in 323 days."

The Lion of the Desert: "Our military capabilities are now bigger. Conditions in Iraq have this year become better than previous years, economically and in our capacity to face up to challenges and confront the Americans. George Bush will cry like his father.”

[ December 15, 2003, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: TomFord ]

Bobby must be sitting around hoping for about 10 car bombs to go off in Iraq right now...

If that's what it takes to get the "chimp" out... He's all for it. Face it bluebird, right now, that's what it's going to take.

Better yet, for someone who hates him so much... perhaps you should move.. the next 4 years are going to kill you... which is good for us, bad for you.

Just curious, how did everybody find out about the whole Saddam capture thing?

I woke up Sunday AM @ about eight, hung over, needing to take a leak, switched on the radio to get the weather (it had snowed Sat. night in DC,) and they were going on and on about how U.S. forces had captured a weak, bitter shell of a once-mighty tyrant in Iraq. My first instinct was, "What in the world was George Steinbrenner doing in the Middle East?" (Feel free to substitute John Kerry for Sbrenner.) (Runner-up: "I turned on the TV and thought, 'Wow, Queer Eye's getting hard core.'")

At any rate, I quickly realized we had nabbed Saddam. I ran downstairs, turned on the TV to confirm I hadn't been dreaming, then woke up my roommate and told her. We both started calling our families and friends, etc. We had some champagne in the fridge so we both had a glass or three. I was very invigorated by all the drama (and the champagne!) so I went out and swept off the sidewalk in front of our house.

Later in the day we went to Wal-Mart, Pentagon Seedy and Barnes & Noble to help continue America's economic recovery. I had on my Bush/Cheney '04 hat and three people stopped me to ask where I got it, tell me how much they loved/admired President Bush, etc. It was a beautiful day.

[ December 15, 2003, 09:30 AM: Message edited by: William1865 ]

I too got up early to also see what the forecast was like -- and there was Dan Rather on at 6:45 a.m. -- I immediately thought that either something incredibly good or incredibly bad hads happened to drag him onto the set. I'm thrilled it was the former!

My dad called to tell me he'd been captured. I was up early studying. I'd checked drudge earlier that morning but there was nothing new from the night before. After he called, I spent an hour watching the coverage on TV. An hour that I wish I could have back now as an exam is upon me aaaarghhh!

My mom called me at 7 a.m. my time. Seven a.m. on a Sunday morning. AUGH! I usually get up at 8:30 to get ready for church, anyway. She was all excited saying this would get him re-elected. I corrected her by telling her he wasn't elected in the first place. Yes, she is a HUGE backer of the punk-ass-chimp and has told me that voting democrat during the past three elections has brought shame to the family. I wised up and fled the elephant parade when I was in college.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHEDER!


Great stuff, and more intentionally funny than the posts above...

I heard Halliburton got the no-bid contract to fill Sadam's hide out hole with concrete.

Only $37.5 million - what a deal!!!

raze how much did you pay for the concrete in your head? Just wondering.

Hmmmm, let me check my Halliburton invoice....
wow, that was expensive, I think I was overcharged about $61 million.

Tally ho, GO Dolphins!! wink

What a coincidence that you would run into the entire membership of the DC area Log Cabinetts on your shopping spree.

I was in Virginia. Virginia has its own LCR chapter.

So then they have every right to attack us in response? After all, that's what we did in response to OUR 9/11.

As for how I heard the news: my alarm went off as usual, set to the sports radio station. The hosts mentioned it briefly, then went right back to talking about the Eagles.

I think he meant that it is a rally cry...there will undoubetedly be retaliation for it.

I actually think there is the potential for greater danger in Iraq. Theory: now ordinary Iraqis could feel more at ease with aligning themselves with the "anti-occupationist" forces. Before it was suspected that these were Ba'athist insurgents. With Saddam captured, many more ordinary Iraqis will join the resistence movement to reclaim their national sovereignty. Discuss.

Glad to see there's SOMEone in your family with intelligence. As they say, Mom always knows best. wink

Either bobbie smoked waaaaayyyy too much weed in his life, or he's visiting the same planet Dennis Kucinich is from.

[quote]MIB:
[QUOTE]or he's visiting the same planet Dennis Kucinich is from. [/quote]Hey who's better looking, Dennis Kucinich or that ghost guy on the subway from the movie Ghost ?

I guess that's the planet that's not run by Ken Lay & company, the American Century crowd and Halliburton?

Very sophisticated repartee. Just answer internally: Abe Lincoln was as ugly as (Outsports board member) is stupid.

Its hard to believe that the capture of Saddam Hussein can be given such a negative spin by the Bush-Haters. Whether or not you like President Bush, can't you even recognize ONE good event when you see it? :confused:

What negative spin? No one says it's a negative that Saddam was caught. The point is, that in itself does not validate the Bush administration policies in any way.

You know I swear I gave some change to a vagrant on a New York City subway who looked like Saddam.

No, that was just Kevin Kline preparing for his new role!

Copman, come off it, please! Everyone's glad Saddam was caught. W's daddy should have done it 12 years ago, but hey, better late than never!

Osufan, did you see that balding woman (or maybe it was a transperson--and a loyal Demo too!) who got the date with Kucinich? She actually admitted afterwards that she had a...boyfriend! Talk about an unlucky guy (the boyfriend).

But the international community then did NOT approve of that. Free Kuwait was the maximum amount Bush was told to do.

You can't have it both ways, fantomas. Bush should have ignored the international community then but Bush II should not have now?

Oh! The hypocrisy! eek!

Excuse me, but Herbert Walker wasn't TOLD to do anything. He assembled a coalition, which we LED, and drove Saddam out of Kuwait. You do realize this, right?

Sure you can. The international community was wrong in 90-91 and right in 2003. During Gulf War I, Iraq posed a specific threat to it's neighbors, the leadership in the person of Saddam Hussien was out of control and predatory. At that time world opinion and public sentiment were fairly against Saddam and would have countenanced a change of regime.

Fast forward 10 years, and you have a completely different situation on the ground. Saddam has been effectively emasculated in the region and issolated from any real predatory power. The war on terror has become the top priority rather than the control of the flow of oil in the Middle East. World opinion is firmly against action being taken in opposition to Iraq and its government.

I believe if the world community had allowed the US to do the job that needed to be done in 91, we wouldn't have the problem we have today. However, we would still have had 5000 people die in one terrorist act and we would still be fighting a war on terror on the ground in Afganistan. On the other hand, without the Iraq quagmire we would have the resources free, particularly the arabic speaking resources (again, thank you President Bush for allowing 8 arabic language experts to be dismissed under that policy you didn't put in place, but seem interested in perpetuating in its most negative way) to do the job that actually has to be done in Afganistan.

Some of you guys are WAY too funny....

Back in 91 the job was to force iraq out.. nothing more. The arab nations never woulda joined if the US would went into Iraq....

Now you say W 1 shoulda went in? Well come on.. get a clue, stop the spin machine.

You people have been running around bitchin that Sadaam wasnt caught... well he is, now shut up.

Or will you do what you always do, forget about that and move onto something new as W checks off another duty and all but guarantees re-election... to your horror. For a stupid man, he sure does a great job of upstaging ya'all pinko's.