illini n milwaukee:
And Bob Jones University doesn't make that list??

Allen:
Really Nathan? I am surprised. My friend Justin was accepted into their medical program and they know he's gay and do not care.

Weird!

fantomas:
William & Mary College?

fantomas:
As for conservative colleges, what about Hillsdale? Wabash? Pepperdine? The University of the South (where they used to wear the long, Oxford-style gowns)? William & Mary College? That new right-wing Catholic school in Detroit? And yes, Baylor? I'd definitely say, just from conversations with colleagues, that Texas A&M, Washington & Lee, and Hampden-Sydney all belong on the list. But Hillsdale and about 10 other Christian colleges and universities should be at the top!

fantomas:
Actually, most of the Ivies have become somewhat more conservative than they were in the 1990s.

fantomas:
I think they were about right with the liberal ones. ... But I'd say if they included universities, they should definitely consider ... Wisconsin, Berkeley, and a few others.

golfer 21:
My votes...

#1 liberal: Reed College or Sarah Lawrence College
#1 conservative: BJU

\"People generally come here knowing that, and the ones [who] disagree with traditions or conservative points of view generally do not stay.\"

wade n atlanta:
Boob Jones is by far more conservative than those listed, so I'm not sure what the criteria were for being a real college or conservative. Boob Jones does not allow hand holding on campus between opposite sexes, nor dorm visitation. They also have barbed wired surrounding the capmus, facing in to keep the students from escaping. Another school not mentioned is Anal, I mean Oral Roberts University.
Sahrah Lawrence is extrememly liberal and very cool set up on campus. There's another school in Ashville, NC that's very liberal, Warren Wilson Colllege. Check it out. Every student must complete 15 hours of volunteer work per week.

golfer 21:
You're probably right in just about every area but gay rights. Princeton -- and more importantly, the student body -- has made some very big strides in the last three or four years.

fantomas
This is very true. And Princeton, which was the last Ivy League school to recruit and admit a sizable number of black students, now has many black students and some of the most dynamic black scholars in the country--several left traditionally more liberal Harvard.

TomFord:
Speaking of blacks at Princeton: Barack Obama's wife Michelle Robinson went to Princeton. As did her brother Craig, who was a basketball star there in the early 80's (fourth-leading scorer in the school's history). He's an assistant coach at Northwestern now.

It seems that just about every young black investment banker in NY went to Princeton. The gay ones (and there are a number of them) are conservative and rather closeted.

fantomas:
But then Princeton is the southernmost of the Ivies, and had as its president one of the most racist figures in the history of the US, Woodrow Wilson.

danimal:
[OK, I knew Wilson was Princeton prez, but \"one of the most racist figures\" in US history? Considering some of the others, that's saying a whole lot, so please educate me. :confused

Also \"southernmost of the Ivies\" is a very relative term ... it's practically a suburb of the Big Apple, although it might've been beyond commuting range that long ago. [/QB]

It was Inauguration Day, and in the judgment of one later historian, \"the atmosphere in the nation's capital bore ominous signs for Negroes.\" Washington rang with happy Rebel Yells, while bands all over town played 'Dixie.' Indeed, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, who swore in the newly elected Southern president, was himself a former member of the Ku Klux Klan. Meanwhile, \"an unidentified associate of the new Chief Executive warned that since the South ran the nation, Negroes should expect to be treated as a servile race.\" Somebody had even sent the new president a possum, an act supposedly \"consonant with Southern tradition.\"

This is not an alternate world scenario imagining the results of a Strom Thurmond victory in the 1948 election; it is the real March 4, 1913, the day Woodrow Wilson of Virginia moved into the White House. The details, above and below, are drawn from the work of historian Lawrence J. Friedman, especially 1970's The White Savage: Racial Fantasies in the Postbellum South.
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Wilson's historical reputation is that of a far-sighted progressive. That role has been assigned to him by historians based on his battle for the League of Nations, and the opposition he faced from isolationist Republicans. Indeed, the adjective \"Wilsonian,\" still in use, implies a positive if idealistic vision for the extension of justice and democratic values throughout the world. Domestically, however, Wilson was a racist retrograde, one who attempted to engineer the diminution of both justice and democracy for American blacks—who were enjoying little of either to begin with.

Wilson's racist views were hardly a secret. His own published work was peppered with Lost Cause visions of a happy antebellum South. As president of Princeton, he had turned away black applicants, regarding their desire for education to be \"unwarranted.\" He was elected president because the 1912 campaign featured a third party, Theodore Roosevelt's Bullmoose Party, which drew Republican votes from incumbent William Howard Taft. Wilson won a majority of votes in only one state (Arizona) outside the South.

TomFord:
They mentioned Alphonse Fletcher, Jr.'s partner in that article from a few months ago? Are you sure about that? I'm fairly certain that it didn't. I know one gold-digger who went as far as calling his office to make sure he didn't have a wife. (Uh, that wouldn't be me, honest!)

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May 18, 2004

$50 Million Gift Aims to Further Legacy of Brown Case
By SARA RIMER

To mark the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, a leading black Wall Street money manager and philanthropist announced yesterday that he would give $50 million to institutions and individuals working to improve race relations and to close the class divide between African-Americans who have benefited from the civil rights movement and those who have not.

The philanthropist, Alphonse Fletcher Jr., who attributes his success to his aspiring parents and his education, said he hoped his gift would help continue the progress toward racial equality that the Brown decision started.
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\"My parents always said we should always strive to be better than the best,\" said Mr. Fletcher, who lives with his partner of more than 10 years, Hobart V. Fowlkes Jr., on the Upper West Side. \"My mother always emphasized that we should transcend whatever hurdles there are, and not be held back, distracted or derailed.\"

He majored in applied mathematics at Harvard. While he had gone to predominantly white public schools in Waterford, his parents sent his brother Todd to Andover and Geoffrey to Choate. They were acting on Buddy's advice.
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Professor Appiah said that Mr. Fletcher's gift was in keeping with \"a long African-American tradition, the tradition of faith in education.\"

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

bballrob:
I was glad that when I graduated I went on to that liberal bastion of William & Mary, I always thought that W&M was progressive because W&L was so conservative.

Good Hands:
And for the sake of accuracy, it's the College of William & Mary, not William & Mary College. W&M was founded as a college in 1693 (second in the country after Harvard) but became a university in, I believe, 1774 (first in the country). The institution just continued with the word college in its name.

fantomas:
Yes, Woodrow Wilson was notoriously racist--in his personal beliefs and in his actions (or inaction). He helped to further segregation in federal government employment; unlike his Republican predecessors (yep, GOPers) he was loathe to meet with black leaders or blacks of any standing, though he did appoint a director of Negro Economics to look into the \"black question\"; he refused to speak out about lynching until 1918, after the US had entered the war and national unity was absolutely required to counter German propaganda, yet he never once mentioned black people as the main lynching targets and after the war pushed no anti-lynching legislation; and so forth.