http://www.365gay.com/NewsContent/080703fa...ellMarriage.htm

The Rev Jerry Falwell announced Wednesday that he is putting aside everything to devote his time to passage of a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

"I am dedicating my talents, time and energies over the next few years to the passage of an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which will protect the traditional family from its enemies who wish to legalize same-sex marriage and other diverse "family" forms," Falwell said

Republican Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-Colo.) is sponsoring the Federal Marriage Amendment. It is currently in the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution. Republican Senators are also looking at Amendment legislation.

This is the same reprobate-ublican bigot who for years kept
blacks out of his "church", and called Martin Luther King Jr.
a communist. Small wonder he's going all-out on this one, he
has an (unconstitutional and offensive) law on his side. (Read
Perry Dean Barlow's "God's Bullies" if you haven't already.)

For those who haven't read it elsewhere, have a gander at this
column by the very bright and thoughtful editor of the Atlanta
Journal Constitution newspaper:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../228/4x3pu.html


Bob Dog


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LEAVE THE CONSTITUTION ALONE
Thu Aug 7, 8:04 PM ET
By Cynthia Tucker

This was as unnecessary as it was utterly predictable: Shoring
up his appeal among ultraconservative constituents, President
Bush recently dismissed gay marriage, saying his administration
is moving to "codify" a legal definition of marriage as
restricted to a man and a woman.

That prejudice has already been enshrined in law, in former
Georgia congressman Bob Barr's odious Defense of Marriage Act.
So what is the president talking about? A constitutional
amendment?

[...]

The promise and the dilemma presented by the Bible both lie in
its openness to myriad interpretations. The nation's founding
document should not be used on behalf of any theological or
sectarian view. Instead, it should defend the right of each
person to interpret the Bible as he or she wishes. Or to ignore
the Bible altogether.

Countless agnostics and atheists marry without benefit of
religious authority. Wiccans marry, as do Druids, Raelians,
Rastafarians and Hare Krishnas. Why shouldn't gays be allowed to
marry in civil ceremonies as well? Or in churches that welcome
them?

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So the Lynchburg Lard-Ass, redfaced with anger and disgust, is going to lead the effort to amend the constitution prohibiting gay marriage? Methinks he needs a slap upside the head from Tinky Winky's purse.

I suggest that his time would be better spent counting his chins, or removing the link between his rolls of fat. Blech!

You all act so surprised. Of course Jerry Falwell is forming an anti-gay marriage coalition. I'd be shocked if he didn't. How is he going to fundraise, etc. if he doesn't join this little fight? At any rate, I'm sure the Republicans and Democrats who are sponsoring the amendment will be thrilled to have his help.

Fat rolls are only as strong as their weakest link.

Um, the 365gay.com article says that Falwell doesn't want children to "grow up in a nation with legalized polygamy, common law marriage and same-sex marriage"

Don't we already have all three? Even though neither polygamy or same-sex marriage are legally recognized, these relationships exist. And common law marriage is alive and well in most jurisdictions.

Which America is he talking about? The one from 1650?

He has to devote all of his "time and talent" because he does not have all that much of either.

Yet another example of someone who is clearly not interested in dedicating himself to doing good works, but ramping up his own machine by attaching to a hot issue. If he is such a man of God, he should be devoting himself to the poor and needy and not to spreading hate.

BTW the 700 club has also taken up this issue, and commited itself to defeating anyone who votes against the ammendment in the next election cycle.
I fully expect a full court press on getting the vote on the amendment before the election cycle starts up. I still contend once it is out of the senate, it will pass.

So exactly what is Jerry Falwell's previous record on getting constitutional amendments passed?

Let me see here... pf is an ass for calling the fat dixi chic girl.. fat....

but it's ok to call this man fat, old and dying...

I see how it is... practice what your preach guys..

Why this surprises you i dont know.... You expected people like... the southern baptists to sit by idle? duh, of course not.

I've said it before, i'll say it again... this has ZERO chance... nuff said.

You're totally wrong there.
We all know he has very little of the second, but of the first, this proves that he just has WAY TO FUGGIN MUCH.

Methinks he needs a hobby... like crocheting, or sticking rusted needles in his eyeballs.
Yeah... that second one sounds good

PhillyFan I really think you are wrong about its chances...

Update..........
VOTE ON AMENDMENT?
Just as the gay marriage issue confronts the presidential candidates, it may also face members of Congress up for re-election next year.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., strongly supports the proposed constitutional amendment that would outlaw same-sex marriages and civil unions.
The first Senate hearing to determine whether such an amendment is needed is scheduled for the first week of September after Congress returns from its summer break

I've read on several different sites that the GOP are going to use the anti-gay marriage amendment against Democrats, particularly Dean, which is probably why he's already hedging on those two words even as he defends his having signed the Civil Union bill.

Also, that hateful crackpot Randall Terry, of anti-abortion Operation Rescue notoriety, held a prayer vigil against gay marriage down in Florida recently. The return of this fanatic is the last thing gay people need to contend with. Don't these people have lives, spouses, children, homes, gardens, hobbies to engage with and in, instead of devoting all their waking hours to hate and demagoguery?

You DO know that this will not pass. It will not happen. First of all, it has to pass through 2/3 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate. After that 3/4 of the States have to ratify it and the President has to sign it after that. That does take time and next year being an important election year, and amendment like this will be facing a major backlash from our community and others.

That's just my opinion.

Republican Bob Barr Opposes Marriage Amendment

Of course, Bob Barr's a whack job, but a watched stop writes two times a day, as President Bush might say...

Putting aside Bob Barr's flaws as a messenger on matters of marriage and morality ... this quote from his op/ed piece perfectly sums up the appropriate conservative position on marriage rights:
(Emphasis added).

[ August 21, 2003, 08:48 AM: Message edited by: Charlie in the Trees ]

Well that should be the "appropriate" conservative response, but they don't always go that route.

One of my favorite conservatives, thoughtful and funny former Sen. Alan Simpson, delivers his opinion in today's Post.

Best excerpts:
"Like most Americans, and most Republicans, I think it's important to do all we can to defend and strengthen the institution of marriage. And I also believe it is critically important to defend the integrity of the Constitution. But a federal amendment to define marriage would do nothing to strengthen families -- just the opposite. And it would unnecessarily undermine one of the core principles I have always believed the GOP stood for: federalism."

"... The real threats to family values are divorce, out-of-wedlock births and infidelity. We all know someone who is gay, and like all of us, gay men and women need to have their relationships recognized in some way. How are gay men and women to be expected to build stable, loving relationships as all of us try to do, when American society refuses to recognize the relationships?"

(he doesn't go so far as to support gay marriages however)

Missing the Point on Gays

I have a rant here. Jerry Falwell was in Kansas City yesterday, campaigning (oh, but not really!) at a church, and said this:

"These pastors who won't step on ants and who won't talk about abortion and about same-sex marriage and urge their people to become a part of the solution, they don't deserve to live in a free country like this."

Yup, that's right. Deport 'em all! All those clergy people who won't speak out about banning abortions and same-sex marriage don't deserve to live in the United States!

How does he get away with this crap?!

Falwell was attending a series of "policy briefings" at area churches, accompanied by Republican congressional candidate Kris Kobach. According the Kansas City Star:

"Kobach, a Republican, has been asked to join Falwell and Johnston (a local pastor) as an expert in constitutional law. Johnston has said that Kobach's attendance at the policy briefings is not connected to his congressional campaign.... Organizers of the briefings will distribute a DVD that will contain the positions of candidates in Kansas' 3rd District, Missouri's 5th District and the Missouri governor's race."

This non-campaigning campaigning in churches has been huge in Kansas and Missouri this election year. These places should lose their tax-exempt status. But the Kansas Attorney General, like Mr. Ashcroft, is an evangelical himself, and encourages it.

And finally, what the hell is this "stepping on ants" thing supposed to mean? Is there a metaphor or figure of speech I'm missing here?

Deport them? You give Falwell to much credit. He probably wants them executed.

I agree completely with the tax issue. I'll go one step farther and say that every church that hands out a "voter's guide" in the coming weeks should lose tax-exempt status! People who attend church should be there to worship God...not to worship elected officials.

As for the "stepping on ants" comment, I think he's just talking about them being bleeding-heart liberals.

If you want to support a group that stands up against this, Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been fighting hard against electioneering in churches by pursuing the illegal actions taken by people like Falwell who should know better, and also by mailings to inform and educate churches and pastors about what they can and can't do within the confines of the tax law.

Kinda off topic, but I was scanning through the radio stations and stopped upon this religious station with this "Dr." (he wrote some book about marriage) talking and the first thing I hear out of his mouth is how we have to stop watching CNN because it's anti-American. He went on to say that when he went overseas, there was always a story every day about something bad the U.S. did on CNN International news and it was no wonder why everyone doesn't like us. And then he went on to say that if we had to watch the news, we should watch Fox News, although it's not perfect because it doesn't like to talk about marriage.

Then of course came the "this election is so important to the future for our kids" deal about gay marriage, abortion, etc.

And this Dr. fellow is preaching in Shreveport soon, so get your tickets soon....



It's amazing how contradictory those people are.

Max, I just wanted to thank you for sending Falwell our way. It was in today's newspaper that he was to be in Wichita tonight. Will be interesting to see what candidates he has with him here. I am sure that Tiart will be there.