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MIB
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HornFan:
$3,000 would have been an awfully cheap quid pro quo even in the 80's, don't you think? I live in Dallas and have for decades. I know who Miers is and where's she been. Aside from her nomination, the oldest news today is that she never sat on a bench, much less a federal one (unlike MIB).
My bench is quite nice. Oak, nicely varnished. Sturdy. You'd like it. smile.gif
MIB
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gobar:
So far what I've seen (cautiously) is she seems to support both gay rights and abortion rights.
But would someone in favor of abortion rights: (a) give money to a pro-life group, (cool.gif be good friends with Dr. Dobson, © urge the ABA to not take a side in the abortion debate, and (d) be nominated by Bush? I honestly think not.
fantomas
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MIB:
But would someone in favor of abortion rights: (a) give money to a pro-life group, (cool.gif be good friends with Dr. Dobson, © urge the ABA to not take a side in the abortion debate, and (d) be nominated by Bush? I honestly think not.
He's talking about Miers, not you.
J1780
Conference call from the Oval:

Jerry, Terry, Pat, --listen up boys, here's the deal. Imma put one of our own out there for Justice. Yeah, a loyal little filly outta Texas. Heh, heh. Damn, this POA'll make Charleton wanna get his words straight! Heh, heh, heh. She's got it all boys-and she gets it!

Never been a Judge! No paper trail! Jerry, remember that receptacle you had for awhile aways back? The one who was that executive but no-one knew she was chowing on your longhorn? Yeah, that's the one--damn I never seen a girl so eager to please.

That's what we got here boys! So here's what I need ya to do. Yell like hell when I nominate her! Make all those pansy-ass liberals think your all pissed off. You'll take some hits but I'll look reasonable and them a-holes will think they won! In the end we get what we want. Damn, this shit is easy! Heh, heh.

Pat, how's your "Rod and Staff" dick grower cream sellin'? Yeah? That's great! OK guys, gotta go...some more soldiers died in Iraq. Damnit! Gotta put on my serious face. OK, you know what to do. Make America proud!
PhillyFan
What a complete and utter sexist woman hating comment.
J1780
Soory PF the beginning got cut off. It read: "Once upon a time, in a land far, far away, a President made a....."

It's all made up. That could NEVER happen.
PhillyFan
Actually,

It's a WONDERFUL opportunity for the "male haters" to stand right up and fight for this woman!


I'm waiting ladies! (or in typical fashion, it's ok to bash this one woman)
HornFan
PF, please stumble off your high horse, you called her a "hag" on this very thread. rolleyes.gif
MIB
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fantomas:
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MIB:
But would someone in favor of abortion rights: (a) give money to a pro-life group, (cool.gif be good friends with Dr. Dobson, © urge the ABA to not take a side in the abortion debate, and (d) be nominated by Bush? I honestly think not.
He's talking about Miers, not you.
smile.gif I must admit, I rather liked that response of yours (even if it is inaccurate). Regardless, good one.
MIB
I fully expect that if Justice Stevens retires, President Bush will nominate his dog Barney to fill that vacant seat. After all, who can a man trust to be loyal more than his dog? I reckon the president knows Barney's heart as well as anybody's, and certainly Barney has no paper trail, unless you count stuff he chewed up when he was a puppy. Besides, if Caligula can put his horse in the Senate... rolleyes.gif
MIB
George Will's stinging column on the Miers nomination (not yet published):

Ouch, GW.

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Senators beginning what ought to be a protracted and exacting scrutiny of Harriet Miers should be guided by three rules. First, it is not important that she be confirmed. Second, it might be very important that she not be. Third, the presumption — perhaps rebuttable but certainly in need of rebutting — should be that her nomination is not a defensible exercise of presidential deference to which senatorial discretion is due. It is not important that she be confirmed because there is no evidence that she is among the leading lights of American jurisprudence, or that she possesses talents commensurate with the Supreme Court’s tasks. The president’s ‘‘argument’’ for her amounts to: Trust me. There is no reason to, for several reasons.

He has neither the inclination nor the ability to make sophisticated judgments about competing approaches to construing the Constitution. Few presidents acquire such abilities in the course of their prepresidential careers, and this president, particularly, is not disposed to such reflections.

Furthermore, there is no reason to believe that Miers’ nomination resulted from the president’s careful consultation with people capable of such judgments. If 100 such people had been asked to list 100 individuals who have given evidence of the reflectiveness and excellence requisite in a justice, Miers’ name probably would not have appeared in any of the 10,000 places on those lists.

In addition, the president has forfeited his right to be trusted as a custodian of the Constitution. The forfeiture occurred March 27, 2002, when, in a private act betokening an uneasy conscience, he signed the McCain-Feingold law expanding government regulation of the timing, quantity and content of political speech. The day before the 2000 Iowa caucuses he was asked in advance — to insure a considered response from him — whether McCain-Feingold’s core purposes are unconstitutional. He unhesitatingly said, ‘‘I agree.’’ Asked if he thought presidents have a duty, pursuant to their oath to defend the Constitution, to make an independent judgment about the constitutionality of bills and to veto those he thinks unconstitutional, he briskly said, ‘‘I do.’’

It is important that Miers not be confirmed unless, in her 61st year, she suddenly and unexpectedly is found to have hitherto undisclosed interests and talents pertinent to the court’s role. Otherwise the sound principle of substantial deference to a president’s choice of judicial nominees will dissolve into a rationalization for senatorial abdication of the duty to hold presidents to some standards of seriousness that will prevent them from reducing the Supreme Court to a private plaything useful for fulfilling whims on behalf of friends.

The wisdom of presumptive opposition to Miers’ confirmation flows from the fact that constitutional reasoning is a talent — a skill acquired, as intellectual skills are, by years of practice sustained by intense interest. It is not usually acquired in the normal course of even a fine lawyer’s career. The burden is on Miers to demonstrate such talents, and on senators to compel such a demonstration or reject the nomination.

Under the rubric of ‘‘diversity’’ — nowadays, the first refuge of intellectually disreputable impulses — the president announced, surely without fathoming the implications, his belief in identity politics and its tawdry corollary, the idea of categorical representation. Identity politics holds that one’s essential attributes are genetic, biological, ethnic or chromosomal — that one’s nature and understanding are decisively shaped by race, ethnicity or gender. Categorical representation holds that the interests of a group can only be understood, empathized with and represented by a member of that group.

The crowning absurdity of the president’s wallowing in such nonsense is the obvious assumption that the Supreme Court is, like a legislature, an institution of representation. This from a president who, introducing
Miers, deplored judges who ‘‘legislate from the bench.’’ Minutes after the president announced the nomination of his friend from Texas, another Texas friend, Robert Jordan, former ambassador to Saudi Arabia, was on Fox News proclaiming what he and, no doubt, the White House that probably enlisted him for advocacy, considered glad and relevant tidings: Miers, said Jordan, has been a victim. She has been, he said contentedly, ‘‘discriminated against’’ because of her gender. Her victimization was not so severe that it prevented her from becoming the first female president of a Texas law firm as large as hers, president of the State Bar of Texas and a senior White House official. Still, playing the victim card clarified, as much as anything has so far done, her credentials, which are her chromosomes and their supposedly painful consequences. For this we need a conservative president?


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sjtexasex
I think it's great that a non-judge was selected. To paraphrase some columnist (foget who): we can't just pick justices from the supreme court clique in D.C. A pick like this will bring a fresh perspective to the court.

But, is she the right pick? Don't know. I did a couple of projects for Harriet when I was an associate at Locke Purnell. She was pleasant to me, but she was no-nonsense. I've followed her career because of this small claim to fame of mine.

She does seem moderate. From the Dallas Morning News today:

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In one of the few head-on expositions of her views on public policy, a short gay-rights survey she filled out during her city council campaign in 1989, Miers backed equal civil rights for homosexuals and spending on AIDS education while defending a Texas law - since overturned by the Supreme Court - that made gay sex a crime.

Despite that paradox, a leading gay-rights group credited her Tuesday with an open mind.

\"It's only a small window into her thinking,\" said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, \"but it certainly, for me, raises the possibility that she's more fair-minded than our opponents are hoping.\"

The question on civil rights on the old survey did not pin respondents down on any of the issues typically associated with gay equality today, such as domestic partner benefits or same-sex unions. Kelly Shackelford, president of the socially conservative Free Market Foundation, played down the significance of Miers' answer, saying he, too, could have answered yes to it.

Shackelford credited her with \"basic Texas down home values.\"

Solmonese said the fact Miers even came to a meeting of a Dallas gay and lesbian group to answer its questions suggested a wish to reach out.

\"She's pro-family but not condemnatory,\" Hecht said.
gmginsfo
Great column, Mr. Will!

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Neptune
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MIB:
George Will's stinging column on the Miers nomination (not yet published):

Ouch, GW.

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Identity politics holds that one’s essential attributes are genetic, biological, ethnic or chromosomal — that one’s nature and understanding are decisively shaped by race, ethnicity or gender. Categorical representation holds that the interests of a group can only be understood, empathized with and represented by a member of that group.

The crowning absurdity of the president’s wallowing in such nonsense is the obvious assumption that the Supreme Court is, like a legislature, an institution of representation.
I'm sure George Will wouldn't be railing on about her being a woman had she served in the federal judiciary and had written a few controversial opinions.

Anyways, I have to dispute his assertion that politics of representation have no place in the Supreme Court. While I agree that its wrong to believe that a judge of a certain race/gender/ethnicity/sexuality/etc. will understand the situatiom of a litigant with said specific attributes, a jurist's interpretation of the law is colored by life experiences, experiences which may be shaped by life as a member of X category. For instance, after Thurgood Marshall died, several conservative justices noted that he illuminated many issues of race that they would not have considered had he not been on the court. They might not have agreed with him, but at least he broadened the range of thoughts considered.
CPT_Doom
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Identity politics holds that one’s essential attributes are genetic, biological, ethnic or chromosomal — that one’s nature and understanding are decisively shaped by race, ethnicity or gender. Categorical representation holds that the interests of a group can only be understood, empathized with and represented by a member of that group.
Although I really sympathize with Will (okay, hell IS freezing over) about his concerns with this nomination - namely Meirs' lack of constitutional experience, I can't help groaning when I read something like this. Why is it always so black and white with Will? Is there NO nuance in his life.

Those of us who call for some balance of perspectives on the court (all courts, actually) don't believe that nature and understanding are "decisively" shaped by gender, etc., but that there are experiences and influences that those isolated in the ivory tower of white, male, straight, Christiandom have simply not had. Those experiences and influences can and do help shape judicial opinions on legal questions. That does NOT mean that only women can understand the experience of women.
hockeyTom
I read on the news headliness that even Trent Lott of Mississippi has lots of doubts about her.
GatorJamie
I'm sorry. Ever since Katherine Harris, I've found it hard to trust someone who wears so much eyeliner. rolleyes.gif
George Twins fan
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I read on the news headliness that even Trent Lott of Mississippi has lots of doubts about her.
Well yeah because she was originally suppossed to help decorate his new house in Mississippi. Maybe he'll hire the Queer Eye guys now.

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Ms. de Blazer
I wonder how loudly those who decry "identity politics" would yell if the entire Senate, House, Supreme Court, Cabinet and all state governors excluded white Christian men? Because for most of the history of the Republic they excluded everyone else.

As for Miers...my considered opinion is that she is more dangerous, potentially, than John Roberts. Lord & Lady knows I am not sanguine about Roberts AT ALL. But he is a constitutional and legal scholar. He can at least be presumed, or maybe just hoped, to know that reversing previous decisions is rare and undertaken only in the most exceptional circumstances. To understand that the founders intended the constitution to be a living document that grew with the times.
Miers is no scholar, she is a Bush crony who is picked for personal loyalty and servility. I can't see her carefully considering constitutional aspects of an issue. I think she's going to be a female Clarence Thomas. Thomas is known for his silence. He rarely questions attorneys who argue cases before the court and rarely writes opinions. But he always, 100% of the time, takes the most reactionary possible view on every question. Because lacking real qualifications (he was appointed because George I wanted to replace Thurgood Marshall with the most reactionary judge he could find; politics demanded a Black reactionary and with only a small pool to choose from he picked someone who was totally undistinguished) there is no lens to view cases through but rightist ideology and fundamentalist Christianity.
KeyWest Guy
Consevatives explode on White House aides.

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At one point in the first of the two off-the-record sessions, according to several people in the room, White House adviser Ed Gillespie suggested that some of the unease about Miers \"has a whiff of sexism and a whiff of elitism.\" Irate participants erupted and demanded that he take it back. Gillespie later said he did not mean to accuse anyone in the room but \"was talking more broadly\" about criticism of Miers.

The tenor of the two meetings suggested that Bush has yet to rally his own party behind Miers and underscores that he risks the biggest rupture with the Republican base of his presidency. While conservatives at times have assailed some Bush policy decisions, rarely have they been so openly distrustful of the president himself.

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The 90-minute Norquist session, where Gillespie appeared before 100 activists, was the more fiery encounter, according to participants. Among those speaking out was Jessica Echard, executive director of the Eagle Forum, founded by Phyllis Schlafly. Although she declined to give a full account later because of the meeting ground rules, Echard said in an interview that her group could not for now support Miers: \"We feel this is a disappointment in President Bush. If it's going to be a woman, we expected an equal heavyweight to Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her liberal stance, and we did not get that in Miss Miers.\"

Another conservative captured the mood, according to a witness, by scorning Miers. \"She's the president's nominee,\" he said. \"She's not ours.\"


hockeyTom
Last night I was watching some of Tucker Carlson's show on msnbc, and he said he fully expects her name to be withdrawn because of the uproar on the right. It should be reall yinteresting to hear how this ruckus plays out.
George Twins fan
A funny editorial cartoon in yesterday's paper: Miers is taking her place on the bench with the other Supremes and in the voice bubble, she says "No, I'm not a judge. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night".
gmginsfo
I like this cartoon from yesterday's SD U-T.
jqueer
Harriet Miers is the Clarence Thomas of GWB's tenure. It was clear an African-American justice would have to replace the retiring Thurgood Marshall. George H. W. Bush didn't chose the best African-American jurist. He didn't choose the best conservative African-American jurist. He chose an African-American jurist he felt would faithfully persue a specific agenda, which Thomas has. The additional problem with Harriet Miers is that while Clarence Thomas was, in fact, a judge, and had demonstrated at least some modicum of judicial ability, she is not and has not. As the wonderful cartoon gmginsfo linked indicated, her credentials are her connections to the President.

And that's where I part with George Will on this. I have no problem with identity politics. I do think there are perspectives necessary in the process of making, enforcing and interpreting laws that are not represented by straight white male Christians. Will misses the point of identity politics. It's not about some inherrent trait that race, sex, sexuality or religion bring to the table, but about life experiences that need to be there. I do agree with Will that the Supreme Court is not as sensitive to the mix of experiences of those on it as the Congress or Executive are, but it isn't entirely insensitive, either. I can't say I would have been too terribly dissappointed with another white male Christian on the bench (but then I have my two Jews, what do I care?)

That said, this particular President should have kept out of identity politics. Identity politics, when tempered with a real search for the best person for the position, is not destructive. Cronyism is. That's where the vitriol should be aimed, not at identity politics. If Alberto Gonzales had been named to the post, it still would have been identity politics and cronyism, but he's served as a Texas Supreme Court justice. It makes a difference. There's a record to be examined. There's nothing but cronyism evident behind the decision to nominate Miers.
kick
I just think that it would have made more sense to have nominated Harriet Miers for the position of Attorney General if he felt so strongly about her legal skills. I mean, why not make the "pit bull in size 6 shoes" the lead lawyer in the country?

I lack a strong knowledge of previous administrations nominations- but has a previous President ever been so blatant about keeping his nominations so close to his personal experiences? I am starting to think that we may as well make the new National Capitol relocate to Texas until 2008 since. We would be saving on gas and relocation costs.
Ms. de Blazer
Meanwhile, James Dobson of Focus on the (heterosexual Christians are the only legitimate) Family has said that he is reassured because he was given information on Miers that he cannot publicly reveal. So Dobson gets information that the Senate and we the people don't?
Ms. de Blazer
Just read this (thanks to another blog), from Alexander Hamilton's Federalist Papers. Thanks, Alex!

To what purpose then require the co-operation of the Senate? I answer, that the necessity of their concurrence would have a powerful, though, in general, a silent operation. It would be an excellent check upon a spirit of favoritism in the President, and would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters from State prejudice, from family connection, from personal attachment, or from a view to popularity. In addition to this, it would be an efficacious source of stability in the administration.

It will readily be comprehended, that a man who had himself the sole disposition of offices, would be governed much more by his private inclinations and interests, than when he was bound to submit the propriety of his choice to the discussion and determination of a different and independent body, and that body an entier branch of the legislature. The possibility of rejection would be a strong motive to care in proposing. The danger to his own reputation, and, in the case of an elective magistrate, to his political existence, from betraying a spirit of favoritism, or an unbecoming pursuit of popularity, to the observation of a body whose opinion would have great weight in forming that of the public, could not fail to operate as a barrier to the one and to the other. He would be both ashamed and afraid to bring forward, for the most distinguished or lucrative stations, candidates who had no other merit than that of coming from the same State to which he particularly belonged, or of being in some way or other personally allied to him, or of possessing the necessary insignificance and pliancy to render them the obsequious instruments of his pleasure.
tnmanfan
So Dobson gets information that the Senate and we the people don't? Yes, God speaks to him directly and tells him all about U.S. politicians...

Seriously though. Dobson's statements makes you wonder who is thinking "that fat sob needs to learn to keep his mouth shut when I disclose matters of national security"...

BTW, I have a real problem with overweight religious leaders telling me that I need to live my life without intimate love from another person when they can't even back away from cheeseburgers...just a small rant...
fantomas
Ms. de Blazer, why's Alexander Hamilton engaging in all that hifalutin fancy-schmantzy talk? Who does he think he is, that elitist egghead Democrat froufrou John Kerry?

Dobson: I say subpoena that bastard and make him state on the record what special information Karl Rove and anyone else on W's staff passed on to him about Miers. ALL of the members of the Senate need to know what sort of stealth shenanigans W is up to.

On another Website I saw a great piece that discusses the real importance of Roberts and Miers: both strongly believe in executive power and will likely rule on W's behalf over the next few years every time some issue arises out of the Global War on Terror/Global Struggle against W's Demons/Global Blah Blah Blah. Roberts did so right away after gabbing with Gonzales, and Miers is so loyal she'd do whatever W wanted (and has cleaned up his messes more than once), so whether or not she's a raving anti-abortion lunatic, her real usefulness will be in the expansion of executive's power, which W has already begun through his use of the obscure but powerful "unitary executive" doctrine. If you don't think this president has fascist designs, think again. Democracy shmocracy....

Unitary Executive Doctrine

Raw Story: Scholar says Bush has used obscure doctrine to extend power 95 times

Evan Caminker/University of Michigan Law School: The Unitary Executive and the State Administration of Federal Law

Scholar says President has used \"unitary executive\" doctrine to extend power

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Lksimcoe
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tnmanfan:
So Dobson gets information that the Senate and we the people don't? Yes, God speaks to him directly and tells him all about U.S. politicians...

Seriously though. Dobson's statements makes you wonder who is thinking \"that fat sob needs to learn to keep his mouth shut when I disclose matters of national security\"...

BTW, I have a real problem with overweight religious leaders telling me that I need to live my life without intimate love from another person when they can't even back away from cheeseburgers...just a small rant...
Acutally, you have to pity Dobson's wife. I'm sure her favorite saying is

"Thanks for the tip"

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gmginsfo
While I agree that Dobson's ridiculously inept comment is subpoena bait from the get-go - and I would love to see him squirm before the Sen. Judiciary Committee - I would hardly mischaracterize President Bush's efforts to consolidate executive power as "fascist." These simple and recurring analogies to Nazis, Fascists and Falangists ignore the democratic tradition of this country and its Anglo-Saxon legal foundation, which neither Germany, Italy or Spain had to support them in their times of trial. Our democratic tradition and its antecedents merit protection, not belittling. However imperfect they were or remain, they are still the best form of government the world has to offer.
Ms. de Blazer
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BTW, I have a real problem with overweight religious leaders telling me that I need to live my life without intimate love from another person when they can't even back away from cheeseburgers.
Especially since cheeseburgers aren't kosher. Don't they read that passage from Leviticus they are so fond of quoting against us?

Actually, gmg, I agree with you on fascism. Fascism has a very specific meaning that is more than just repressive, dishonest, secretive et al. This is not quite the place to go into it but it's wrong and inaccurate to just throw the word around.
fantomas
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gmginsfo:
While I agree that Dobson's ridiculously inept comment is subpoena bait from the get-go - and I would love to see him squirm before the Sen. Judiciary Committee - I would hardly mischaracterize President Bush's efforts to consolidate executive power as \"fascist.\" These simple and recurring analogies to Nazis, Fascists and Falangists ignore the democratic tradition of this country and its Anglo-Saxon legal foundation, which neither Germany, Italy or Spain had to support them in their times of trial. Our democratic tradition and its antecedents merit protection, not belittling. However imperfect they were or remain, they are still the best form of government the world has to offer.
\"Simple and recurring analogies\".... Did you even read what \"unitary executive\" doctrine is before you hopped on your little soapbox? I doubt it. No, it's not \"simple and recurring,\" it's pointing out that this president is trying his best to override our Constitution and Bill of Rights to extend his power far beyond what our \"traditions\" have seen. If he were a Democrat doing this I doubt you'd have made your \"defense,\" yet again, of this walking disaster, but keep in mind that there's little \"Democratic\" about how this man, who \"belittles\" our traditions, operates. From what I recall, Roosevelt was trashed for illegally jailing an entire group of people without due process, yet W does it and also sanctions torture, etc., and most people on the right don't utter a word.

Nazism was a FORM of fascism, but not fascist regimes are Nazistic.

Among the definitions of fascism:


\"A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism.\" (From The American Heritage Dictionary)

The name comes from the Latin fasces – a bundle of rods with a projecting axe, which was the symbol of authority in ancient Rome. The term was applied by Mussolini to his movement after his rise to power in 1922. The Fascists were viciously anti-Communist and anti- liberal and, once in power, relied on an authoritarian state apparatus. They also used emotive slogans and old prejudices (for example, against the Jews) to bolster the leader's strongman appeal. ...
www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/browse/glossary.html

# A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.
Teachers' Glossary

A system of government that promotes extreme nationalism, repression, anticommunism, and is ruled by a dictator.
Regents Vocab

An extreme form of nationalism that played on fears of communism and rejected individual freedom, liberal individualism, democracy, and limitations on the state.
www.comune.venezia.it/atlante/documents/glossary/nelson_glossary.htm

# a political system in which all power of government is vested in a person or group with no other power to balance and limit the activities of the government. Fascist governments are often closely associated with large corporations and sometimes with extreme nationalism and racist activities. Modern fascism is often called \"CORPORATISM\".
www.naiadonline.ca/book/01Glossary.htm

# a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)
Wordnet Princeton


And, as this site points out, some of the common tenets of fascism include:

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Fascist regimes are hostile to liberalism, intellectuals, trade unions, and dissent. Such regimes usually erect these groups as \"inner enemies of the state.\" Sometimes racial or ethnic groups, those that are a visible minority within the country, are singled out as \"the rot from within.\" This usually leads to institutional persecution and abuse. And foreign nations are often pointed out as an imminent danger to the Fatherland, and if the regime has the military power, they will often attack other nations \"out of self-defense.\" Definition five: Fascist regimes erect enemies, inside and out.
*****
Is an economic system geared to the needs, not of the people, but of the wealthy elite.

It is a republican form of government.

It features extreme forms of nationalism.

While Nazism is a form of fascism, fascism is not Nazism.

Fascism creates \"enemies of the fatherland\" in order to gain public support. These \"enemies\" usually include liberals, socialists, trade unionists, and conspicuous minority groups.

Fascism is not conservative, although it often claims to be traditional.

Fascism will replace a free press with propaganda.

And yet more by Matthew Lyons, of Political Research Associates, who wrote a book on fascism with Chip Berlet in 1996.

Don't forget that President Katrina is now actively trying to figure out ways to subvert the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878....

[ October 07, 2005, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
gmginsfo
Yes, as I generally do, I read all your links before responding, although I knew of the "doctrine" before reading your repetitive links to it, hence, "recurring" in that sense as well.

And just for the record, again, my "defenses" of the President pale, not only in number but especially in tenor, in comparison to your violent rantings against him and anyone else who doesn't suit you. Oh sure, you back off on occasion, but not before, as most recently, even threatening physical violence against those with whom you disagree. Curb your own rage before accusing others of being Brownshirts.

Speaking of which, Senate Republicans, surely a group of "people on the right" by your definition, inserted language into a recent bill forbidding the use of torture. While their action was in writing and might not strictly be considered as "uttering a word," it nevertheless belies the image of lockstep Republo-Fascism you seem intent on perpetuating at every stage of the debate.

In sum, (if not in short; cf. your latest word-pageant), your arguments lose force because of too much force - and too little perspective and reason.

Happy Columbus Day!
fenwayguy
Harriet Miers's Blog
"The blog of the #1 smartest President ever's #1 pick to be the next Associate Justice of the Supreme Court!"
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OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M THE NOMINEE!!!
This is BIGGEST DAY OF MY LIFE!!! EVER!!!!

OMG OMG OMG

posted by Harriet Miers @ 11:21 AM

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there's a chance Karen Hughes might start helping me out!!! She's so thoughtful... when i got confirmed, she sent me flowers even though she was busy with diplomacy in the Arab World. I admit it, I have a total girlcrush!


posted by Harriet Miers @ 2:49 PM
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On a more \"serious\" note, some members of Dallas' gay political circle respect Meirs and apparently support her confirmation.
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None of Dallas’ gay City Council members served at the same time as Miers. But they all said they have met her and respect her abilities and accomplishments. All said they would be comfortable with her appointment to the Supreme Court.
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Former council member Craig McDaniel said he is delighted that the president nominated Miers.
“This is as good as we would ever get out of a Republican administration.”

- Dallas gay leaders OK Miers pick, Dallas Voice (undated)
Totally!!

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HornFan
Is Sybil her middle name? More from the above article:

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Young said some of Miers’ answers on the questionnaire appeared to contradict one another.
Although the candidate said she supported equal rights for gay and lesbian residents, she said that she would oppose efforts to overturn Texas’ sodomy law, which applied only to homosexuals. On another question, Miers said she thought the AIDS epidemic was the responsibility of the entire community and favored greater funding to fight it. Yet she failed to make a firm commitment to opposing discrimination based on HIV status, saying she would prefer that the Legislature address the issue.
I'm leery of all this far right noise on withdrawal of her name. Why do they protest so much, they've never questioned W on anything else? Was it Roy "Idol Worship Extrodanaire" Moore or else? Is W taking a knee, but planning to pull a security threat out of his hat for the 2006 mid-terms to bail his ass out? Is Rove pre-occupied?
Bryan
I feel like the right wing's reaction is a total ruse. She's far too much of a Texas insider, and more importantly, far too much of a Bush devotee. It's just not right. All this hoopla from the right wing is just a tactic...planned, organized, rehearsed. We need someone far more substantial and far more worldly.
twin58
Obscure Texas Case Offers Peek Into Role Of Court Nominee

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Amid 2000 Election Turmoil, Harriet Miers Took On A Constitutional Battle

By JESS BRAVIN , Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
October 7, 2005

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The way she did that was striking: Her legal team successfully persuaded a judge to take what her brief described as a \"broad and inclusive\" reading of the Constitution.
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The section of the Constitution at issue is the relatively obscure 12th Amendment, overshadowed by its neighbor, the 13th, which abolished slavery after the Civil War. Ratified after the disputed 1800 election, the 12th lays out a number of regulations for the Electoral College. The rule in question says a state's delegation can't vote for presidential and vice presidential candidates who are both from electors' home state.

The 12th Amendment sat silently on the books for 196 years until the Bush-Cheney ticket, after falling 543,895 votes short of the Gore-Lieberman ticket, nevertheless stood poised to claim 271 electoral votes to the Democrats' 266.
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With Bush v. Gore heading to the U.S. Supreme Court, few took notice of Jones v. Bush when it was filed Nov. 20 in Dallas's federal courthouse. Mr. Bush understood the stakes and dispatched his crackerjack legal counselor Ms. Miers.
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According to court papers, Mr. Cheney bought a home and registered to vote in Dallas in 1995. After that date, he also held a Texas driver's license, paid Texas taxes and claimed the state's homestead tax deduction.

Mr. Cheney seemed aware of his Habitation Clause problem. In July 2000, shortly after deciding to run for vice president, he switched his voter registration and driver's license back to Wyoming. That detail formed part of his defense in the case, along with the fact that he had attended the University of Wyoming, represented Wyoming in Congress and owned a vacation home in Jackson Hole, Wyo.

Mr. Cheney also owned a Cadillac and a Lexus registered in Texas. He registered a Mercedes-Benz in Virginia, where he owned a townhouse, and a Jeep in Wyoming. The Miers team noted that Mr. Cheney put his Dallas home up for sale while the plaintiffs pointed out a listing describing it as \"owner-occupied.\"
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Noting that Mr. Cheney's wife Lynne had not switched her voter registration to Wyoming from Texas, the plaintiffs proposed to ask Mr. Cheney if he intended to live with his wife. \"While I'm happy to say quite publicly that the marriage is good,\" said Mr. Cheney's lawyer David Aufhauser during a telephone conference, that question is \"singularly offensive.\"
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[ October 08, 2005, 08:55 AM: Message edited by: twin58 ]
hockeyTom
I am watching CNN and there is a story out now about some Christian Evangelical man named Dobson, who claims he has talked to Ms. Miers about her views?? And also that he has talked to Karl Rove about this as well!!?? I can't wait for the hearings to begin!! Talk about drama.
jqueer
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puckman1:
I am watching CNN and there is a story out now about some Christian Evangelical man named Dobson, who claims he has talked to Ms. Miers about her views?? And also that he has talked to Karl Rove about this as well!!?? I can't wait for the hearings to begin!! Talk about drama.
No one has made any claim that Dobson spoke to Miers, but only that he spoke to Rove and then from the pulpit made statements that implied he had been assured of her dedication to conservative principles (whatever those are). There are two glaring problems. A member of the President's administration has no business speaking about a nominee privately to any political opponent or ally. Second, Dobson was quoted as saying that he knows things he cannot share and that he probably should not know. While any conversation is inappropriate, this evidently wasn't just a "trust us" conversation, but a detailed conversation about things the President wasn't supposed to ask, much less tell an evangilist.
fantomas
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gmginsfo:

And just for the record, again, my \"defenses\" of the President pale, not only in number but especially in tenor, in comparison to your violent rantings against him and anyone else who doesn't suit you.
Well, aren't we the cool little parson here? As I made clear, I backed off my comments about that vile heap of slop, Bill Bennett, but I think you should also realize that we write from very different positions in the world, and as far as I know it, know person in any position of power in the United States, or who has had close ties to it, has ever advocated the mass abortion of white infants. Has she or he? I think not.

Also, before you cast stones, didn't you once post in the \"People who should be shot\" thread? Oh, but I know, that wasn't serious....

Your party has members who could not even bother, in 2005, to sign on to a resolution--not a law, but a resolution--condemning the violent history and practice of lynching. The penultimate Majority Leader, still in the Senate, actually praised one of the most hypocritical, notorious racists in that body, and wistfully noted that he wished that man, who sought to extend the apartheid history of social relations in this country, had been elected. The majority floor leader in the Congress has more than once made derogatory or dismissive comments about African-Americans. So I'm not writing in a vacuum.

You were quite dismissive of the notion of \"fascism,\" but if it were Democrats satisfying any number of the definitions of that term, I don't doubt that you'd be up in arms in a hot minute.

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Speaking of which, Senate Republicans, surely a group of \"people on the right\" by your definition, inserted language into a recent bill forbidding the use of torture. While their action was in writing and might not strictly be considered as \"uttering a word,\" it nevertheless belies the image of lockstep Republo-Fascism you seem intent on perpetuating at every stage of the debate.
Yes, but what took them so long? Democrats had urged this step a while ago. I applaud John McCain for his leadership, but again, why were the nine people who refused to vote in favor of it REPUBLICANS? And why did the President of the United States, his counsel, his attorney general, his Secretary of Defense (though not his Secretary of State, a decorated general), his national security advisor ALL support it in the first place?

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In sum, (if not in short; cf. your latest word-pageant), your arguments lose force because of too much force - and too little perspective and reason.
Well, thank you for your critique.

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twin58
Replace "Roberts" with "Miers."

What To Ask Roberts

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By Cass R. Sunstein
Monday, August 29, 2005; Page A15

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The Constitution does not explicitly forbid the national government from discriminating on the basis of race or sex. Nonetheless, the Supreme Court has read the Constitution to ban both forms of discrimination. Some conservatives disagree; they think that the Supreme Court has no legitimate basis for prohibiting either racial segregation or racial profiling at the national level. What does Roberts think about the question of whether the national government can engage in discrimination on the basis of race and sex?
MIB
It's time Bush withdraws this disastrous Miers nomination. In all my years of SCOTUS watching, I don't think I have ever seen someone so...so...totally unqualified for the bench, for several reasons.

Of course, one doesn't not dare question this Administration. The arrogance and incompetence of it truly amazes me. rolleyes.gif

Miers vulnerable
RazorbackTX
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MIB:
It's time Bush withdraws this disastrous Miers nomination. In all my years of SCOTUS watching, I don't think I have ever seen someone so...so...totally unqualified for the bench, for several reasons.

Of course, one doesn't not dare question this Administration. The arrogance and incompetence of it truly amazes me. rolleyes.gif

Miers vulnerable
Taking a break from the kids?
How are they?
gmginsfo
Agreed, MIB. She's such a legal lightweight, it's scary!

On so many levels, with each succeeding issue, and with increasing abandon, this President is squandering whatever capital he had in December 2004. If nothing else, he should start getting his White House in order so we do't lose any OTHER Houses come next Fall! There is life after this Administration, after all. My colleagues and I don't do what we do in the GOP to subsidize and excuse this sort of incompetence. Values and positions aside, it's just bad management! :mad:
RazorbackTX
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gmginsfo:
My colleagues and I don't do what we do in the GOP to subsidize and excuse this sort of incompetence.
What is it again that you and your colleagues do in the GOP?
PennState4Ever
Miers is the "New Coke" of judicial nominations.

[ October 20, 2005, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: PennState4Ever ]
gmginsfo
Thank God she's not Diet Pepsi! biggrin.gif
MIB
More like Coke Zero.
RazorbackTX
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MIB:
More like Coke Zero.
Do your kids prefer Coke or Pepsi?
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