Saw a story on CNN on Wolf Blitzer this afternoon, and its not at all good news. The Shrub administration is predicting possible record prices of gas in the near future. They claim this is because the price of crude oil is up. Already in L.A. as I saw the price for a gallon of regular unleaded was about $2.20 a gallon, with Las Vegas not far behind. Here in Spokane I have been watching it creep up to about an average of $1.75 a gallon for unleaded. The Bush administration claims it is "worried" about this, as well they should be.
[ March 04, 2004, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: puckman1 ]
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I've been doing a temp job here in downtown Los Angeles that doesn't pay for parking; parking can run anywhere from $8-$20 for the day in the area I'm in. So, I've been taking the bus, that ultimate sign of failure in El Lay. $2.50 for the roundtrip and the bus home drops me off at the front door of my building. I don't have to scramble for parking while I'm exhausted after work either. It's great.
Here in California, gas prices always *cough* mysteriously *cough* jump up just before Memorial Day and Labor Day and then go back down afterwards.
Here in California, gas prices always *cough* mysteriously *cough* jump up just before Memorial Day and Labor Day and then go back down afterwards.
the gas prices here are very high, I come back and its 1.90 a gallon here for unleaded yikes!!!
its a damn shame, can we say we are in better shape than we were 4 years ago NO!!
Bush has got to go
its a damn shame, can we say we are in better shape than we were 4 years ago NO!!
Bush has got to go
I just know that they're gouging the prices here in California. While certain raises are inevitable, the station on the corner raised its prices for Regular Unleaded 16 cents in a 24-hour period-if that's not criminal, then what is?
If you at least want to get some sort of venting out, go to this website and report any gas station you think might be gouging. You will need their address, etc. Check it out! I reported another one that has Regular Unleaded at $2.33
http://gaswatch.energy.gov/
If you at least want to get some sort of venting out, go to this website and report any gas station you think might be gouging. You will need their address, etc. Check it out! I reported another one that has Regular Unleaded at $2.33
http://gaswatch.energy.gov/
Jeez, who would have though gas prices would be so high with two oil men running the country... 
Great, I guess this means we will get compiled news-camera footage of people pumping gas into cars...as exciting as those cash register images the day after Thanksgiving. WOOOPIE-FREAKIN'-DO!
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azairforce:
the gas prices here are very high, I come back and its 1.90 a gallon here for unleaded yikes!!!
its a damn shame, can we say we are in better shape than we were 4 years ago NO!!
Bush has got to go
If anything, these high prices disprove yours and the Left's ranting of Bush-Cheney oil ties. the gas prices here are very high, I come back and its 1.90 a gallon here for unleaded yikes!!!
its a damn shame, can we say we are in better shape than we were 4 years ago NO!!
Bush has got to go
These prices are all Kerry's fault. He voted against getting oil from our own soil, yet he whines like a stug pig that we should wean ourselves off foreign oil.
Oh! The hypocrisy!
Besides, who was the idiot that demanded all the special blends of gas here in the Midwest, accounting for an additional 30-50c per gallon in costs. All these dumbass, alleged "environmental" reasons were just a smokescreen and didn't result in any of the promised improvements. The only thing they did was jack up the frickin' price of gas.
Oh, and Phuck OPEC! There's NO reason to have cut back on the production of oil and raise prices so high.
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MIB:
The end result of their oil ties is to make themselves more money, NOT to provide a price break for Americans.QUOTE
azairforce:
the gas prices here are very high, I come back and its 1.90 a gallon here for unleaded yikes!!!
its a damn shame, can we say we are in better shape than we were 4 years ago NO!!
Bush has got to go
If anything, these high prices disprove yours and the Left's ranting of Bush-Cheney oil ties. the gas prices here are very high, I come back and its 1.90 a gallon here for unleaded yikes!!!
its a damn shame, can we say we are in better shape than we were 4 years ago NO!!
Bush has got to go
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Great, I guess this means we will get compiled news-camera footage of people pumping gas into cars...as exciting as those cash register images the day after Thanksgiving. WOOOPIE-FREAKIN'-DO!
Or those people at the post office to get their tax returns in by midnight on April 15th. wink
Great, I guess this means we will get compiled news-camera footage of people pumping gas into cars...as exciting as those cash register images the day after Thanksgiving. WOOOPIE-FREAKIN'-DO!
We went to war with Iraq, gas prices soared. Months later the big oil companies posted huge gains in margin, their stocks rose dramatically. Hmmmm. I suppose there's no connection whatsoever.
So now gas is $2 out there in Cali. I would suggest that everyone buy stock in Exxon, Mobil, Texaco. They can f*** you over at the pump, but at least you can profit with your stock portfolio.
And to blame this all on Democrats for failing to drill the hell out of Alaska is f***ing absurd. Even had that bill passed it would have taken more than a year + to even begin early stage production. Full scale efficiency might not have happened until 2005 at the earliest. And in the grand scheme of things the "Arctic" field production capacity is paltry when compared with overall American consumption.
Windmills, by crackey! Someone build some goddamn windmills!
So now gas is $2 out there in Cali. I would suggest that everyone buy stock in Exxon, Mobil, Texaco. They can f*** you over at the pump, but at least you can profit with your stock portfolio.
And to blame this all on Democrats for failing to drill the hell out of Alaska is f***ing absurd. Even had that bill passed it would have taken more than a year + to even begin early stage production. Full scale efficiency might not have happened until 2005 at the earliest. And in the grand scheme of things the "Arctic" field production capacity is paltry when compared with overall American consumption.
Windmills, by crackey! Someone build some goddamn windmills!
I've been WAITING for someone on the list to start blaming Bush for the high gas prices. We blame him for everything else so why not? I guess it would be a hard argument to make though. Since the Democrats claim we went to war in Iraq for the oil, it would be hard to explain why Bush's policies are now making gas prices go up instead of down. But I'm sure someone will! wink
I don't think anyone is blaming Bush for these gas prices, but when the governors of Western states have asked him to inquire, all we get is an "extremely concerned" comment. We're looking at Bush (from oil country Texas) for his response, and there just hasn't been much. He is the President, isn't he?
timber07, what are you paying for gas at the pump in Florida? In the 1.60 - 1.70 range? Here in the west, we're already over $2.00 in some locales.
timber07, what are you paying for gas at the pump in Florida? In the 1.60 - 1.70 range? Here in the west, we're already over $2.00 in some locales.
I just bought a compilation CD with hits from 1976 and the cultural notes say "Price per gallon of gasoline, 48 cents." The thing is, I remember my parents complaining about the high prices back then! I guess with inflation you just take it for what it's worth!
Do you think in 20 years time, we'll be complaining when the prices tip slightly over $4.00 per gallon and think back to good old 2004 when the prices were hovering around $2.00? Probably!
When I lived in Germany or Europe in general for that matter, they already pay those kinds of prices and they just do it! I guess we will too, as long as we drive cars and have to fuel them!
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Do you think in 20 years time, we'll be complaining when the prices tip slightly over $4.00 per gallon and think back to good old 2004 when the prices were hovering around $2.00? Probably!
When I lived in Germany or Europe in general for that matter, they already pay those kinds of prices and they just do it! I guess we will too, as long as we drive cars and have to fuel them!
[ March 05, 2004, 10:09 PM: Message edited by: tennisbudcali ]
MIB..if OPEC wants to cut back production.it is THEIR OIL..they have the oil so they can call the shots ...Kerry realized if we CAFE standards for cars we would not use so much gasoline but Bush believes in giving huge tax deductions for HUMMERS?
Damn, after listening to you guys I feel positively blessed... I only paid $1.51 at the local Costco the other day.
Wasn't there something on the news awhile back about some inventor in California who modified his diesel Jetta to run on used fry-grease from Mickey D's? Whatever came of that?
Wasn't there something on the news awhile back about some inventor in California who modified his diesel Jetta to run on used fry-grease from Mickey D's? Whatever came of that?
mib, you lose me with the contention that high oil prices DISPROVE any bush administration oil ties. fill in the blanks, please....
in the meantime, try this conspiracy theory on for size...
bush/cheney get elected. cheney convenes energy policy advisory committee. cheney has a harder time proving environmentalists attended the conference than bush has proving he attended his national guard duty. cheney won't say (until the supreme court makes him) who did attend. advisors produce a policy that characterizes conservation as "feel good ideas". consumption continues unabated. supply pinch. prices rise. oil buddies get flush with cash. give barrels full of cash to bush cheney reelection committee. bush/cheney get reelected, yada, yada, yada.....
[ March 06, 2004, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: thersis ]
in the meantime, try this conspiracy theory on for size...
bush/cheney get elected. cheney convenes energy policy advisory committee. cheney has a harder time proving environmentalists attended the conference than bush has proving he attended his national guard duty. cheney won't say (until the supreme court makes him) who did attend. advisors produce a policy that characterizes conservation as "feel good ideas". consumption continues unabated. supply pinch. prices rise. oil buddies get flush with cash. give barrels full of cash to bush cheney reelection committee. bush/cheney get reelected, yada, yada, yada.....
[ March 06, 2004, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: thersis ]
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coyoteugly:
I don't think anyone is blaming Bush for these gas prices, but when the governors of Western states have asked him to inquire, all we get is an \"extremely concerned\" comment. We're looking at Bush (from oil country Texas) for his response, and there just hasn't been much. He is the President, isn't he?
timber07, what are you paying for gas at the pump in Florida? In the 1.60 - 1.70 range? Here in the west, we're already over $2.00 in some locales.
I'm paying $1.77 for regular at the Mobil down the street. Even as the Gulf War was about to start the highest it got was $1.75. We need to seriously look at alternative energy sources. I know they are out there, but as long as crude oil is "easier" to obtain we are going to be stuck paying higher prices. I've heard of this fuel made of corn that isn't even bad for the environment. The worst thing I heard was that it's supposed to draw ants if its spilled. We have plenty of farm land and a lot of people to grow it, why don't we go there?
I don't think anyone is blaming Bush for these gas prices, but when the governors of Western states have asked him to inquire, all we get is an \"extremely concerned\" comment. We're looking at Bush (from oil country Texas) for his response, and there just hasn't been much. He is the President, isn't he?
timber07, what are you paying for gas at the pump in Florida? In the 1.60 - 1.70 range? Here in the west, we're already over $2.00 in some locales.
$1.77 for a gallon of gas works out to about .55 per litre Canadian. I wish it was that low
I filled up my truck today at 81.5 per litre. In US gallons, that's about $3.00
ANd we've got more Oil than Saudi Arabia.
Someones getting rich on it
I filled up my truck today at 81.5 per litre. In US gallons, that's about $3.00
ANd we've got more Oil than Saudi Arabia.
Someones getting rich on it
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ballplayer3:
MIB..if OPEC wants to cut back production.it is THEIR OIL..they have the oil so they can call the shots ...Kerry realized if we CAFE standards for cars we would not use so much gasoline but Bush believes in giving huge tax deductions for HUMMERS?
Yeah, that'll work. If YOU want to end up driving tuna cans that'll get you killed if you bump into even a cotton ball, but save you 20c per gallon in the process, go right ahead. At least that'd be ONE way to decrease the number of anti-vehiclists in the country. eek! MIB..if OPEC wants to cut back production.it is THEIR OIL..they have the oil so they can call the shots ...Kerry realized if we CAFE standards for cars we would not use so much gasoline but Bush believes in giving huge tax deductions for HUMMERS?
[ March 06, 2004, 07:44 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
I hate to be the one to mention this, but when gasoline shortages and higher prices started taking shape in the 70's the government lowered the speed limit to 55mph. I can't see Bush doing that, but I wouldn't put it past Kerry.
It's $2.05-$2.10 at some Loop-area gas stations in Chicago. If it gets higher, as it has done several times each spring over the last few years, suburban commuters may really blow their lids.
Well, if the U.S. could figure out how to placate the head of the Shi'ites and narcotize the Sunnis and tap into that "sea of oil" (Wolfowitz) in Iraq, prices might fall. Cheney & Co. fantasized that it would be relatively easy to tap the oil, but it's all turned out to be a lot tougher and messier than their fantasies and secret meetings envisioned....
Well, if the U.S. could figure out how to placate the head of the Shi'ites and narcotize the Sunnis and tap into that "sea of oil" (Wolfowitz) in Iraq, prices might fall. Cheney & Co. fantasized that it would be relatively easy to tap the oil, but it's all turned out to be a lot tougher and messier than their fantasies and secret meetings envisioned....
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fantomas:
Cheney & Co. fantasized that it would be relatively easy to tap the oil, but it's all turned out to be a lot tougher and messier than their fantasies and secret meetings envisioned....
Much to the chagrin of leftist conspiratorialists. Cheney & Co. fantasized that it would be relatively easy to tap the oil, but it's all turned out to be a lot tougher and messier than their fantasies and secret meetings envisioned....
Timber, fuel from corn is nice in theory, but it actually takes more energy to make it than it produces. Here's one of the few articles I could find that wasn't corn industry propaganda:
"Anti-vehicilists"? Your supply of strawmen is bottomless, isn't it?
[ March 07, 2004, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
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o An acre of U.S. corn yields about 7,110 pounds of corn for processing into 328 gallons of ethanol. But planting, growing and harvesting that much corn requires about 140 gallons of fossil fuels and costs $347 per acre, according to Pimentel's analysis. Thus, even before corn is converted to ethanol, the feedstock costs $1.05 per gallon of ethanol.
o The energy economics get worse at the processing plants, where the grain is crushed and fermented. As many as three distillation steps are needed to separate the 8 percent ethanol from the 92 percent water. Additional treatment and energy are required to produce the 99.8 percent pure ethanol for mixing with gasoline.
o Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion to ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTU. \"Put another way,\" Pimentel says, \"about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol. Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTU.\"
o Ethanol from corn costs about $1.74 per gallon to produce, compared with about 95 cents to produce a gallon of gasoline. \"That helps explain why fossil fuels -- not ethanol -- are used to produce ethanol,\" Pimentel says. \"The growers and processors can't afford to burn ethanol to make ethanol. U.S. drivers couldn't afford it, either, if it weren't for government subsidies to artificially lower the price.\"
Some Democrats were puzzled when Tom Daschle came out in favor of the energy bill or as it's called "The Leave No Lobbyist Behind Bill", until it was revealed that his state stood to profit from the corn fuel thing.o The energy economics get worse at the processing plants, where the grain is crushed and fermented. As many as three distillation steps are needed to separate the 8 percent ethanol from the 92 percent water. Additional treatment and energy are required to produce the 99.8 percent pure ethanol for mixing with gasoline.
o Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion to ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTU. \"Put another way,\" Pimentel says, \"about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol. Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTU.\"
o Ethanol from corn costs about $1.74 per gallon to produce, compared with about 95 cents to produce a gallon of gasoline. \"That helps explain why fossil fuels -- not ethanol -- are used to produce ethanol,\" Pimentel says. \"The growers and processors can't afford to burn ethanol to make ethanol. U.S. drivers couldn't afford it, either, if it weren't for government subsidies to artificially lower the price.\"
"Anti-vehicilists"? Your supply of strawmen is bottomless, isn't it?
[ March 07, 2004, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
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[QB\"Anti-vehicilists\"? Your supply of strawmen is bottomless, isn't it? [/QB]
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Well, ain't this grand: the news this evening stated that OPEC is planning to cut oil production even more on April 1, 2004. Shouldn't the oil companies raise the pump prices now just to beat the rush?
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