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MIB
If gas prices skyrocket, which I'm sure they will, that will have a greater negative effect upon the U.S. economy more than any loss of jobs. You watch.

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February 10, 2004

In a surprise move, OPEC agreed on Tuesday to cut excess production of crude oil at once and lower output quotas by 1 million barrels a day effective April 1. Oil prices rose in New York and London on the news, but the brief buying spree quickly lost momentum.

The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries expects the combined cuts to curb its production by about 10 percent, or 2.5 million barrels a day.

OPEC members agreed to the two-stage output reduction in an attempt to keep oil prices stable when warmer weather is expected to erode demand in major importing countries.

\"We are agreed that we will cut 1 million barrels from April 1,\" said Qatari oil minister Abdullah bin Hamad al-Ateiyah.

London Brent futures climbed 54 cents to $29.65 a barrel on the surprise cut, while U.S. light crude gained 58 cents to $33.41.

\"The markets discounted the cut for the whole of last week, and they are going to start moving up from here,\" said Man Energy analyst Edward Meir.

\"It's a clever move by OPEC, giving the market some support before the second quarter,'' said Oystein Berentsen, head of crude trade at Norway's Statoil.

But analysts were generally sceptical about how easily the cut, effective April 1, could be combined with a decision to cut out 1.5 million barrels per day of leakage above official output limits, effective immediately.

\"Given how much they are leaking people will want to see how much of the cut they implement,\" Berentsen said. \"There's a question mark over their credibility.''

And after an initial price leap, buying lost momentum after UAE Oil Minister Obaid bin Saif al-Nasseri said the cut could be reversed at the group's next meeting on March 31, if necessary.

\"It a big call,\" said Kevin Norrish of Barclays Capital in London of the proposed one million bpd cut and 1.5 million bpd clamp down on leakage.

\"After the market's initial kneejerk reaction, it will be more sceptical, probably with good reason.\"

Prices are still near the top of their $6-a-barrel winter rally, fueled by tight supplies combined with cold weather in key heating energy consuming regions.

The April cut in OPEC's official output target of 24.5 million barrels a day is unconditional, said Obaid al-Nasseri, oil minister for the United Arab Emirates.

OPEC's urging its members to better comply with agreed quotas was expected, but its decsion to make an additional cut in its formal output came as a surprise.

The group is still smarting after its 1997 decision to increase production just before an Asian financial crisis that sent oil prices plummeting to $10 a barrel. OPEC has tried recently to take pre-emptive steps to prevent another such price collapse. In September, it defied predictions of an unchanged production target by announcing a 900,000 barrel cut in its output ceiling.

OPEC has a long history of pumping oil in excess of its quotas, but Kuwait's Oil Minister Ahmad Fahad Al-Ahmad Al-Sabah said its members would be much more serious this time.

\"All the signals and all the studies show that the second quarter will be a very bad quarter ... Everybody, for his benefit, has to be strict with these resolutions,\" the Kuwaiti minister said.

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[ February 10, 2004, 02:25 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
JC
IF they do, you're quite right...we could see stagflation again (though it might enhance my chances of changing careers). But with the US in control of Iraq, I'm not sure it'll happen. It's many years since OPEC has been able to keep it's act together on these things. Or are you just thinking of a short term gas price hike based on pure speculation? I'm not convinced those have that big an impact on the economy.
MIB
High gas prices have a significant effect on the U.S. economy, and that effect is quite strong. Americans tend to travel less when the price of gas goes beyond what they deem acceptable limits. This results in vacations being canceled, hotels not getting filled, cars not being rented, you name it.

Airlines and delivery companies hurt, and the former is very sensitive to economic difficulties right now. If American, Delta, United, and the gane attempt to raise fares to compensate for the increased in jet fuel due to oil going up, this will drive away travelers who don't drive but prefer to fly.

UPS and FedEx will reinstate fuel surcharges or raise rates, hurting businesses even more. Heating oil goes up, hurting lower income people more.

Bringing up Iraq's oil in this is just another example of partisan ignorance. Where is all this Iraqi oil Bush's detractors said we'd be getting once we toppled Hussein? OPEC's greed isn't a question of Iraqi oil. They're just greedy, pure and simple. Plus, they love to put the screws to the U.S., regardless of who is president.
Undercenter
I think the timing of this screw tightening is very interesting. The full economic effects of higher oil prices will start to hit America during the summer driving season, and be on our minds going into the National election - two, two and a half, maybe three dollars a gallon. That could turn a couple red states blue.

I agree with MIB's sentiments that rising gas prices have an overwhelming ripple effect throughout our economy. Oil is a weapon, whether we realize it or not, and it looks like corrupt Middle East oil states want to fire a shot over Crawford Texas before the election to remind someone who really pulls the strings on our economic life blood. Could this be a Saudi F*** You to our Halliburton government for setting up an Iraqi gas pump with an American sticker on it?

We seem to have a free trade deal with this part of the world - we provide our blood, our dollars, and our national attention, they provide Oil, Terrorism, and Death. I sure hope I live to see the day when we elect a government here that says enough is enough and launches a "Manhattan Project" to get us off the oil tit.
MIB
Why don't we just invade Saudi Arabia anyway? First, they support terrorism like there's no tomorrow. Secondly, we can just take all their damn oil then and tell OPEC to go phuck themselves. (OK, only kidding about that last part.)

Every damn administration since way back when has coddled those damn Saudis. :mad:
JC
Just to clarify, if oil prices actually go up significantly over a period of months, it will definitely have an impact on the economy, but OPEC countries have been ignoring their quotas for years. With regards to Iraq, Iraq has the third largest oil reserves in the world, but production had fallen out of the top 25. Regardless of one's partisan feelings, it's simply a fact that reviving Iraq's economy will require a substantial increase in oil production, and my understanding is that a lot of investment is going into repairing the infrastructure to make that happen. I don't know how far that has progressed (anybody got current figures?), but Iraq is probably capable of producing an additional 2.5 million barrels per day.
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