Contrary to what everyone here seems to be saying, the problem isn't in Abramoff's or his clients' or his lobbying firms' campaign donations. Heck, almost every lobbyist and lobbying firm and entity with business before the government gives campaign contributions. They'd be fools to not donate legally.
The issue at the heart of the Abramoff scandal is that Abramoff sought and, by the accounts in the indictment, got specific politicians to perform certain acts in exchage for lavish trips and/or campaign contributions.
And so while we can raise an eyebrow when we see that the Bush/Cheney campaign is donating Abramoff's campaign contributions to the AHA, or chuckle to see that Joe Democrat got a $1000 donation to his re-election fund, the real scandal is what did Abramoff ask for and what did he get in return for that $$. So far, the fear seems to be resonating much more within GOP circles than in Dem circles.
Full Version: Bush official charged in corruption case
I think and hope that the real outcome of this will be that Joe Public begins to see the current crop of republicans for the slime they really are and boots them all out this year.
Last night after watching the Rose Bowl I surveyed the talking ( right) heads on MSNBC. They seem to be distancing themselves from this story much as the Repugs are and have been. All programming was on the mine disaster. Thats it, and nothing else. Interesting, isn't it??? I wonder when they will start talking about it. Credit to Chris Matthews who daily tops this story on his "Hardball". 
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fantomas:
Note that MIB has yet to link to anything...
It's rather technologically challenging to link radio and television reports that one hears and sees. Unlike you, who obviously is too blind to see that Democrats AND Republicans are involved in this mess, I can watch/listen to various kinds of electronic media sources and understand their information that is dissemninated.
Note that MIB has yet to link to anything...
Should a Member of Congress convicted of a felony lose his/her pension?
Congressman Mark Kirk of Illinois believes he/she should. In a radio interview this morning (I'd link to it, but until fantomas tells me how I can link to a radio interview I'm unable to do it--even a computer techie friend of mine was scratching his head over this), Congressman Kirk explained that even in corrupt Illinois, an elected official convicted of a felony loses his/her pension. However, if a Congressman or Senator is convicted of a felony, he/she retains it.
According to Kirk, attempts to change the law to deny M.C.'s their pensions when convicted have all failed, including the many times it has come up in a Democratically-controlled Congress. Of course, in the fantasy world that is inhabited by ft and the other uber-lefty Kool-Aid drinkers here, the Democrats would never defeat such a fair, common sense bill.
[ January 05, 2006, 01:36 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
Congressman Mark Kirk of Illinois believes he/she should. In a radio interview this morning (I'd link to it, but until fantomas tells me how I can link to a radio interview I'm unable to do it--even a computer techie friend of mine was scratching his head over this), Congressman Kirk explained that even in corrupt Illinois, an elected official convicted of a felony loses his/her pension. However, if a Congressman or Senator is convicted of a felony, he/she retains it.
According to Kirk, attempts to change the law to deny M.C.'s their pensions when convicted have all failed, including the many times it has come up in a Democratically-controlled Congress. Of course, in the fantasy world that is inhabited by ft and the other uber-lefty Kool-Aid drinkers here, the Democrats would never defeat such a fair, common sense bill.
[ January 05, 2006, 01:36 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
Okay, since you're going to play like you've never left the cradle, how's this:
WBEZ Chicago Public Radio's live or rebroadcast \"All Things Considered\" audio stream (in Real Audio)
BBC World News Audio and Video
KCRW's Warren Olney's \"To the Point\"
Click on the links and you'll get audio. Even Rush Limbaugh is online. Who are you kidding, MIB?
There have got to be PRINT sources for some of your claims, right? So you can't link to *any* of them? Also, you're being purposefully obtuse. Did Abramoff give any money DIRECTLY to Democrats and do you have any evidence any of these Democrats did any bidding for him? I'm not talking about his clients, I'm talking about this former College Republican. Let's not even get into his other cronies, like Scanlon, Rudy, and so on.
[ January 05, 2006, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
WBEZ Chicago Public Radio's live or rebroadcast \"All Things Considered\" audio stream (in Real Audio)
BBC World News Audio and Video
KCRW's Warren Olney's \"To the Point\"
Click on the links and you'll get audio. Even Rush Limbaugh is online. Who are you kidding, MIB?
There have got to be PRINT sources for some of your claims, right? So you can't link to *any* of them? Also, you're being purposefully obtuse. Did Abramoff give any money DIRECTLY to Democrats and do you have any evidence any of these Democrats did any bidding for him? I'm not talking about his clients, I'm talking about this former College Republican. Let's not even get into his other cronies, like Scanlon, Rudy, and so on.
[ January 05, 2006, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
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Last night after watching the Rose Bowl I surveyed the talking ( right) heads on MSNBC. They seem to be distancing themselves from this story much as the Repugs are and have been. All programming was on the mine disaster. Thats it, and nothing else. Interesting, isn't it??? I wonder when they will start talking about it. Credit to Chris Matthews who daily tops this story on his \"Hardball\".
Chris Matthews has been directly implicated! He was supposed to headline a benefit, along with Fox's Tony Snow and Brit Hume for a fake charity, the Capital Athletic Association, that Abramoff founded. But then W invaded Iraq so Abramoff had to cancel it, gosh darnit. Last night after watching the Rose Bowl I surveyed the talking ( right) heads on MSNBC. They seem to be distancing themselves from this story much as the Repugs are and have been. All programming was on the mine disaster. Thats it, and nothing else. Interesting, isn't it??? I wonder when they will start talking about it. Credit to Chris Matthews who daily tops this story on his \"Hardball\".
Matthews was dismissing the whole Abramoff scandal, which has spectacular implications for the Congress and political classes, sort of like how Bob Woodward was dismissing the whole Plamegate scandal until it turned out he'd lied and not told his editor that HE WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED as one of the people to whom information had been leaked. Those Washington pundits--integrity up the gazoo!
I still haven't seen anything writen about democrat involvement in this. You'd think they'd be on it like flies on shit.
The kool-aid dirinking thing doesn't work for lefties, it refers to the blind sheepish folks out there who will follow your president off the cliff. That's not lefties.
The kool-aid dirinking thing doesn't work for lefties, it refers to the blind sheepish folks out there who will follow your president off the cliff. That's not lefties.
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Okay, since you're going to play like you've never left the cradle, how's this:
WBEZ Chicago Public Radio's live or rebroadcast \\"All Things Considered\\" audio stream (in Real Audio)
BBC World News Audio and Video
KCRW's Warren Olney's \\"To the Point\\"
Click on the links and you'll get audio. Even Rush Limbaugh is online. Who are you kidding, MIB?
Uh, Earth to Ft's world: linking to radio talk shows is one thing, linking to an interview from a reporter is another. I still can't figure that out. Maybe on your planet that's possible, you know, the one where Democrats are as pure as the wind-driven snow (do they have snow on your planet???).Okay, since you're going to play like you've never left the cradle, how's this:
WBEZ Chicago Public Radio's live or rebroadcast \\"All Things Considered\\" audio stream (in Real Audio)
BBC World News Audio and Video
KCRW's Warren Olney's \\"To the Point\\"
Click on the links and you'll get audio. Even Rush Limbaugh is online. Who are you kidding, MIB?
BTW, WLS-AM radio late this afternoon reran the comments from Kirk. I'm sure you can find this technologically possible link.
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Big interests pay big bucks to DC middle-men to work their magic on congresscritters. It's been going on since the founding of the Republic, hasn't it? I've always been puzzled to know who decides, and how, where "influence buying" ends and plain old bribery starts. Whatever, it's all part of the political fabric & there doesn't seem much point in getting worked up about it.
Abramoff gamed this little system for his own profit, taking the moolah but not delivering the goods. Isn't that the kind of reptile that's bound to show up once in a while in this particular swamp? Zzzzzzz.
If the story has political legs, it'll be because some name politician stepped over that invisible-to-me line. And perhaps because the American public doesn't realize, or occasionally realizes but then forgets, the scale on which this lobbying game is played.
It's still sad nonetheless.
[ January 05, 2006, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
Abramoff agreed to plead guilty in return for only getting a maximum of about 10 years in prison (assuming he actually helps the government - if he doesn't, the bargain is void). That is a pretty long time to settle for, and the implication of this that I have been hearing is that the government had a LOT on him (much of the information from a former girlfriend who he dumped - d'oh! Hell hath no fury...), enough to send him to prison for a very long time. The other implication is that he has a LOT on others, including presumably high-ranking officials, or the government would not have bothered offering a deal.
The only names specifically associated with the crimes Abramoff has admitted to committing are Ney and Delay. The only specific Democrat I have heard linked to these crimes is Senator Dorgan.
The other Democrats that have been mentioned received campaign donations from Abramoff's firm or clients, not him personally. As many others have pointed out (hope MIB gets it this time), the issue is not that everyone who Abramoff touched is dirty (presumably he had some legitimate lobbying activities) - it is those politicians who were specifically given $$ or gifts for political favors. We don't know who exactly those will be, but Abramoff is a key insider into the GOP leadership. That is why, presumably, this scandal will hurt the GOP more.
The only names specifically associated with the crimes Abramoff has admitted to committing are Ney and Delay. The only specific Democrat I have heard linked to these crimes is Senator Dorgan.
The other Democrats that have been mentioned received campaign donations from Abramoff's firm or clients, not him personally. As many others have pointed out (hope MIB gets it this time), the issue is not that everyone who Abramoff touched is dirty (presumably he had some legitimate lobbying activities) - it is those politicians who were specifically given $$ or gifts for political favors. We don't know who exactly those will be, but Abramoff is a key insider into the GOP leadership. That is why, presumably, this scandal will hurt the GOP more.
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BTW, WLS-AM radio late this afternoon reran the comments from Kirk. I'm sure you can find this technologically possible link.
Why did I know that MLB would be listening to right-wing talk radio? Why? Because he's MIB. BTW, WLS-AM radio late this afternoon reran the comments from Kirk. I'm sure you can find this technologically possible link.
WLS-AM Talk Radio Chicago
Who's on their lineup? The very sorts of right-wing crackpots the supposedly non-right-wing MIB cites without links. In addition to Matt Drudge, Tony Snow, Teri Brinker, Tom Roeser, etc. (and a token quasi-liberal like Dave Jennings), today's lineup was:
Thursday
Start Finish Talk Hosts
12:00AM 3:00AM Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
3:00AM 4:00AM Larry Elder
4:00AM 5:00AM Wall Street Journal This Morning
5:00AM 9:00AM Don Wade & Roma
9:00AM 11:00AM Eileen Byrne
11:00AM 2:00PM Rush Limbaugh
2:00PM 6:00PM The Roe Conn Show
6:00PM 9:00PM Sean Hannity
9:00PM 12:00AM The Deborah Rowe Radio Program
Now let's see: the WLS Newsroom crowd. You can listen to WLS rebroadcasts here. Drudge, Komando and some of your other faves aren't cleared to be on the air, but the Real Audio rebroadcasts might give you the clip you want.
[ January 05, 2006, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
Hey MIB, if you ever find WLS too liberal, there's always 560AM, WIND-AM! Don't let those kool-aide sippin' liberals on 'LS get to you. Get the real facts, from people like Savage, Ingram, et al. You know, the kind of people that don't need no stinkin' facts! I hope this helps your listening pleasure.
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fantomas:
Why did I know that MLB would be listening to right-wing talk radio? Why? Because he's MIB.
Once again I have to correct fantomas' typical overflow of falsehoods. Should I speak s-l-o-w-l-y for someone so blinded with ideological partisanship?Why did I know that MLB would be listening to right-wing talk radio? Why? Because he's MIB.
I don't listen to right-wing radio. Period. Never have, never will. (A) I don't have the time, and (
I don't have the ability, not having a radio anywhere near me during the day. (Maybe one of ft's imaginary links would do.)I listen to four stations in the morning, flipping among them when one goes to commercials: WSCR-AM (sports radio), WMVP-AM (sports radio), WLS-AM, and WBBM-AM. The news on WLS, WSCR, and WMVP usually comes on around the top and bottom of each hour. WBBM is good for traffic updates every 10 minutes on the 8's.
The worst out of all those stations? Easily WLS. WAY too many commercials, which I cannot stand. At all.
So, once again, fantomas proves the ole axiom, "never assume, for you make an ass out of you and me."
Really. It is becoming tiresome correcting you. Perhaps you can spend more of your ungodly free time doing your foolish and pointless informational searches for charity or something.
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CPT_Doom:
...the issue is not that everyone who Abramoff touched is dirty (presumably he had some legitimate lobbying activities) - it is those politicians who were specifically given $$ or gifts for political favors.
Hell, that's most of Congress! ...the issue is not that everyone who Abramoff touched is dirty (presumably he had some legitimate lobbying activities) - it is those politicians who were specifically given $$ or gifts for political favors.
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MIB:
I don't listen to right-wing radio. Period. Never have, never will. (A) I don't have the time, and ( I don't have the ability, not having a radio anywhere near me during the day. (Maybe one of ft's imaginary links would do.)
You've quoted nonsense you got from right-wing radio and TV before on here verbatim, so all your protestations are for nought. Maybe spend some time figuring out how to use the Internet, when you're not "en banc" or whatever "profession" it is you're supposed to be engaged in, and maybe even ask your "kids" for assistance as well. Tykes are usually more adept at computers than their "parents."
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fantomas:
Why did I know that MLB would be listening to right-wing talk radio? Why? Because he's MIB.
Once again I have to correct fantomas' typical overflow of falsehoods. Should I speak s-l-o-w-l-y for someone so blinded with ideological partisanship?Why did I know that MLB would be listening to right-wing talk radio? Why? Because he's MIB.
I don't listen to right-wing radio. Period. Never have, never will. (A) I don't have the time, and (
I don't have the ability, not having a radio anywhere near me during the day. (Maybe one of ft's imaginary links would do.)
Whatever.
Your paranoid delusions are really old. Assumptions without proof never hold any water even in moot court.
It never ceases to amaze me how you Leftists cannot grasp reality, that being that just because there are people here who disagree with your twisted views or who dare to criticize a left-wing politician doesn't mean said person is a Bush supporter or right-wing radio listener or right-wing person in general. When you get to college, maybe you'll learn that.
I'm content in the fact that I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat, neither right-wing nor left-wing. Someone who is "right-wing" would never admit he voted for Clinton, would never blast a Republican president and a Republican Congress, etc. So, put down your Kool-Aid, put the goose-step boots away, take off your left-wing glasses, and open your eyes to the real world.
Your paranoid delusions are really old. Assumptions without proof never hold any water even in moot court.
It never ceases to amaze me how you Leftists cannot grasp reality, that being that just because there are people here who disagree with your twisted views or who dare to criticize a left-wing politician doesn't mean said person is a Bush supporter or right-wing radio listener or right-wing person in general. When you get to college, maybe you'll learn that.
I'm content in the fact that I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat, neither right-wing nor left-wing. Someone who is "right-wing" would never admit he voted for Clinton, would never blast a Republican president and a Republican Congress, etc. So, put down your Kool-Aid, put the goose-step boots away, take off your left-wing glasses, and open your eyes to the real world.
Exhibit A, for why I've been gradually withdrawing from participation in the P&R board.
Some quick observations:
(1) It seems like a pretty cowardly move to make blanket ad hominem attacks about people on the left while hiding behind your own "independence." You can attack anyone who has the balls/ovaries to admit where he/she stands politically, then dart back into the shadows by keeping us all guessing about your own political views.
And let's keep it real MIB--It's pretty rare for you to write nice things about people on the left, and when you do, it's the most backhanded of compliments. Given the lack of any viable mainstream third party in America, the assumption that you are a died-in-the wool Republican is reasonable, especially among people who haven't been Outsports members for a long time.
(2) For as much as I often disagree with him, I credit Gmginsfo for at least usually displaying a modicum of respect for people on the other side of the aisle.
To that end, MIB, for those of us who don't think it's any of our business to question whether your children exist or whether you lied about your occupation, it would be nice to be afforded the same respect from you, instead of being called un-American kool-aid drinking lemmings.
But chances are you'll follow this post up with a snide personal remark, so whatever.
Oh and by the way, due to my inability to forget petty grievances (admittedly one of my faults), I thought you should know that I passed the NY bar exam last year. I bring this up only to say that calling someone ignorant just because they disagree with you is a pretty pathetic rhetorical move, one that you perform rather often. This was one of my first impressions of you, and too bad it's lasting.
[ January 11, 2006, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: Neptune ]
Some quick observations:
(1) It seems like a pretty cowardly move to make blanket ad hominem attacks about people on the left while hiding behind your own "independence." You can attack anyone who has the balls/ovaries to admit where he/she stands politically, then dart back into the shadows by keeping us all guessing about your own political views.
And let's keep it real MIB--It's pretty rare for you to write nice things about people on the left, and when you do, it's the most backhanded of compliments. Given the lack of any viable mainstream third party in America, the assumption that you are a died-in-the wool Republican is reasonable, especially among people who haven't been Outsports members for a long time.
(2) For as much as I often disagree with him, I credit Gmginsfo for at least usually displaying a modicum of respect for people on the other side of the aisle.
To that end, MIB, for those of us who don't think it's any of our business to question whether your children exist or whether you lied about your occupation, it would be nice to be afforded the same respect from you, instead of being called un-American kool-aid drinking lemmings.
But chances are you'll follow this post up with a snide personal remark, so whatever.
Oh and by the way, due to my inability to forget petty grievances (admittedly one of my faults), I thought you should know that I passed the NY bar exam last year. I bring this up only to say that calling someone ignorant just because they disagree with you is a pretty pathetic rhetorical move, one that you perform rather often. This was one of my first impressions of you, and too bad it's lasting.
[ January 11, 2006, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: Neptune ]
Neptune, congratulations on passing the bar! Good luck with your lawyering.
I'll say for the final time that I'm hardly a Koolaid drinker. Nor do I wear "goose-step" boots or...etc. That's just all so damned ridiculous. There characterizations sure in the hell fit SOME people on the right, like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, pretty well.
I will say and have said more than once that my inclinations are libertarian progressive-leftist, but this has not stopped me from criticizing Democrats, including our last president or Democratic members of Congress or the man who ran on the Democratic ticket in 2004.
It also has meant that from the beginning--meaning 1999--I have been highly skeptical of the buffoon who now is president. And again and again, the things I and others with similar ideological leanings have said and predicted--the election of Kerry notwithstanding--have borne out. Now my ideological compass might not work so well when a Democrat with similar affinities takes office, but with the present president, it's been right on target. I used to understand why so many people were so easily blinded and gulled, but after 5 years, my patience has worn out.
If people who profess to be libertarian OR conservative have no problem with the litany of this man's and his administration's trangressions, then perhaps drop those self-identifying labels. W has not only NOT been liberal, obviously, but he's so far from being either libertarian or conservative that he's made Robert Nozick and Russell Kirk respectively turn over in their graves.
[ January 11, 2006, 02:38 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
I'll say for the final time that I'm hardly a Koolaid drinker. Nor do I wear "goose-step" boots or...etc. That's just all so damned ridiculous. There characterizations sure in the hell fit SOME people on the right, like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, pretty well.
I will say and have said more than once that my inclinations are libertarian progressive-leftist, but this has not stopped me from criticizing Democrats, including our last president or Democratic members of Congress or the man who ran on the Democratic ticket in 2004.
It also has meant that from the beginning--meaning 1999--I have been highly skeptical of the buffoon who now is president. And again and again, the things I and others with similar ideological leanings have said and predicted--the election of Kerry notwithstanding--have borne out. Now my ideological compass might not work so well when a Democrat with similar affinities takes office, but with the present president, it's been right on target. I used to understand why so many people were so easily blinded and gulled, but after 5 years, my patience has worn out.
If people who profess to be libertarian OR conservative have no problem with the litany of this man's and his administration's trangressions, then perhaps drop those self-identifying labels. W has not only NOT been liberal, obviously, but he's so far from being either libertarian or conservative that he's made Robert Nozick and Russell Kirk respectively turn over in their graves.
[ January 11, 2006, 02:38 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
Neptune:
Congratulations on passing the bar.
Also wanted to thank you for your comments. Have also been very frustrated with the recent discourse in the P&R Forum. It definitely seems as though many people have simply fallen to personal insults and attacks instead of reasoned and intellectual discussion. Hopefully, that will change.
Congratulations on passing the bar.
Also wanted to thank you for your comments. Have also been very frustrated with the recent discourse in the P&R Forum. It definitely seems as though many people have simply fallen to personal insults and attacks instead of reasoned and intellectual discussion. Hopefully, that will change.
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Neptune:
I thought you should know that I passed the NY bar exam last year.
Congratulations on your proud achievement. I do not know in what area of law you will practice, but whatever it is, may you have success, provide for good representation, and not let money be the motivating factor over the rule of law and justice, something that many people believe, whether they are mistaken or not. I thought you should know that I passed the NY bar exam last year.
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...but he's so far from being either libertarian or conservative that he's made Robert Nozick and Russell Kirk respectively turn over in their graves.
I have stated that more than once. A conservative would not have signed that ridiculous highway transportation bill. A conservative would not have signed that massive disaster known as Medicare reform--Robert Novak recently wrote about how it may doom the GOP--good for them if it does. A conservative would have better addressed the serious illegal immigration problem we have. A conservative would not have...
...but he's so far from being either libertarian or conservative that he's made Robert Nozick and Russell Kirk respectively turn over in their graves.
Neptune!
Congratulations!
What area of law do you practice?
In your case I will leave you with Shakespeares commentary, if you were not already aware of it : ""The first thing we do," said the character in Shakespeare's Henry VI, is "kill all the lawyers." Contrary to popular belief, the proposal was not designed to restore sanity to commercial life. Rather, it was intended to eliminate those who might stand in the way of a contemplated revolution -- thus underscoring the important role that lawyers can play in society. "
Best Wishes for a long and healthy career!
Rob
Congratulations!
What area of law do you practice?
In your case I will leave you with Shakespeares commentary, if you were not already aware of it : ""The first thing we do," said the character in Shakespeare's Henry VI, is "kill all the lawyers." Contrary to popular belief, the proposal was not designed to restore sanity to commercial life. Rather, it was intended to eliminate those who might stand in the way of a contemplated revolution -- thus underscoring the important role that lawyers can play in society. "
Best Wishes for a long and healthy career!
Rob
Tuner, Now that you've passed the SECOND most difficult bar exam in the US, for which I heartily and sincerely congratulate you, I will accord you more than any mere modicum of respect by granting you all the privileges, if not immunities, a fellow barrister is entitled to. Thus, you can look forward to being treated with the utmost condescension and contempt! eek!
Seriously, well done and I wish you all personal and professional happiness and success in your career! :cool:
Seriously, well done and I wish you all personal and professional happiness and success in your career! :cool:
Thanks all for your congrats and well wishes. But save some of them for Married Lady and her cute new baby. That little miracle certainly outshines my ability to take a two-day exam.
I work in the NY office of a multinational law firm, doing mostly litigation work for corporate clients. It's not always fun, but it at least allows me to quickly pay off my boatload of student debt while learning about numerous areas of the law.
I work in the NY office of a multinational law firm, doing mostly litigation work for corporate clients. It's not always fun, but it at least allows me to quickly pay off my boatload of student debt while learning about numerous areas of the law.
As the plot thickens....now Time magazine has announced* it has SEVERAL photos of the liar Bush with Abramoff. So much for liar Bush not knowing Abramoff. My, oh my, the wicked web we weave when first we choose to deceive.
*As heard on CBS Radio Network News.
*As heard on CBS Radio Network News.
Link please. You MUST provide a link to this so-called "CBS news" story or fantomas will come here and say it's not true.
Anyway, from TIME Magazine itself:
Anyway, from TIME Magazine itself:
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Most of the pictures have the formal look of photos taken at presidential receptions. The images of Bush, Abramoff and one of his sons appear to be the rapid-fire shots--known in White House parlance as clicks-- that the President snaps with top supporters before taking the podium at fund-raising receptions. Over five years, Bush has posed for tens of thousands of such shots--many with people he does not know.
So much for your big story.
Why did Hillary associate with a drug smuggler? After all, SHE was in a photo with Jose Cabrera.
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MIB:
Why did Hillary associate with a drug smuggler? After all, SHE was in a photo with Jose Cabrera.
I am in a photo with Micky M, don't make me a cartoon.Why did Hillary associate with a drug smuggler? After all, SHE was in a photo with Jose Cabrera.
I have a pic of Shrub visiting Yale, don't make him smart.
R
Indeed. Perhaps you can explain this to millerbeach. He seems to equate a photo click with knowing a person. Even TIME itself dismissed that assumption.
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MIB:
Link please. You MUST provide a link to this so-called \"CBS news\" story or fantomas will come here and say it's not true.
No, it's only with you, since you cite others' statements without giving credit or just outright plagiarize, as you did with Pete duPont's editorial in the WSJ. I have no issues with Millerbeach or anyone else. I'm glad to see you've finally figured out how to link to original texts. Now find another hobbyhorse, "judge."
Link please. You MUST provide a link to this so-called \"CBS news\" story or fantomas will come here and say it's not true.
MIB, I provided and cited my source, which is much more than I can say for your plagerizing self. The photos show a continued path of lies and deceit by this administration. Wasn't it liar Bush who said he never even met or knew Abramoff? Funny, I at least am introduced to folks I take a picture with. MIB, do you take pictures with people you know or only with complete strangers?
Well, when you make it to 8th grade and take civics class, maybe you'll learn elected officials take pictures with thousands of people but still don't know them. I had 13 pictures taken of me and Pope John Paul II at St. Peters in September 1995. Does that mean he knew me? Using your stupid logic, yes. But most learned people know it doesn't.
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millerbeach:
MIB, I provided and cited my source
Sorry, that's not good enough. It doesn't surprise me that fantomas is trying to squirm out of his link requirements. Typical.MIB, I provided and cited my source
Either provide a direct, fantomas-certified link to that radio clip or it doesn't exist. I don't care if it was audio. Link to the radio frequencies in the air. After all, our resident hypocrite--who has still yet to physically prove this judge fixation he has--thinks that can be done.
Look who is calling who stupid. At least I don't plagerize. STUPID!
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fantomas:
No, it's only with you
Stop making excuses. No other poster on this entire board has a more blatant set of double standards than you. Your inconsistencies and hypocrisy are so overwhelming it's beyond human comprehension.
No, it's only with you
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millerbeach:
Look who is calling who stupid. At least I don't plagerize. STUPID!
Uh huh. Puhleeze. Learn what plagiarizing truly is, along with lying as well, for you and your fellow Kool-Aid drinkers keep throwing those terms around like most grammar school kids who haven't yet learned their vocabulary.Look who is calling who stupid. At least I don't plagerize. STUPID!
At least I can spell. "Plagerize"?
[ January 23, 2006, 10:50 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
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MIB:
Either provide a direct, fantomas-certified link to that radio clip or it doesn't exist. I don't care if it was audio. Link to the radio frequencies in the air. After all, our resident hypocrite--who has still yet to physically prove this judge fixation he has--thinks that can be done.
Are you seriously saying you didn't list your profession as judge on here at first? Seriously? I know you're capable of quite a bit, including plagiarism, character assassination, and everything, but really MIB, come on now. You really don't want to start totally revising the truth like this. Just return to the fact-based realm. I know it's heady out there in the intoxicating (some call it drunken) atmosphere created by the Warrantless Wiretapper, Rove, et. al. It's even got you calling Dick Durbin "slime," parroting without attribution the cant of a right-winger like Pete duPont, quoting a liar like Novak who praises McCain one minute while slamming me for citing him the next. We all understand Stockholm Syndrome. But that doesn't allow you to start claiming that you never said you were a judge. Really. You once did, and many of us recall it. So just admit the evidence is against you and leave "the bench."QUOTE
millerbeach:
MIB, I provided and cited my source
Sorry, that's not good enough. It doesn't surprise me that fantomas is trying to squirm out of his link requirements. Typical.MIB, I provided and cited my source
Either provide a direct, fantomas-certified link to that radio clip or it doesn't exist. I don't care if it was audio. Link to the radio frequencies in the air. After all, our resident hypocrite--who has still yet to physically prove this judge fixation he has--thinks that can be done.
BTW, as I said, Millerbeach doesn't have problems with borrowing others' words, like you do, so no need to harp on him citing things. He does so just fine. And guess what? He's not a "right winger!"
Oh no, someone let the spelling Nazi out. Boo hoo, my feeling are hurt. Well, MIB, at least you didn't resort to your typical gutter language. I guess you might be making progress after all. Yup, moving up from the gutter right to the curb.
Find one post where I stated I was a judge. Find this mysterious statement that you often cite. Find something to prove your assertions. Or retract them. The choice is yours.
Hearsay or conspiracy theories won't work either. I do say you're sounding more and more like Mrs. Logan.
Hearsay or conspiracy theories won't work either. I do say you're sounding more and more like Mrs. Logan.
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millerbeach:
at least you didn't resort to your typical gutter language.
I do try to avoid native Indiana tongue. It's so...so...low class. at least you didn't resort to your typical gutter language.
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I guess you might be making progress after all. Yup, moving up from the gutter right to the curb.
No, MIB, you've got it wrong once again. It is you that is low class for using gutter language, it has nothing to do with the state of Indiana. Nice try, keep playing. You're bound to get it right one of these days.
You're too funny. "Gutter language." Really, now. I haven't bowled in years.
January 29, 2006 16:05:42 -- Senator Joseph Biden (D-DE) failed today to address rumors that Nevada Senator Harry Reid will step down next month as Senate Minority Leader. Reid has been stung by revelations that his political action committee (PAC) accepted more than $60,000 in contributions from Indian tribes linked to convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Appearing on CNN's Late Edition, Biden avoided discussing either the Reid situation or any upcoming changes in Senate Democratic leadership.
Reid is no stranger to scandal, having been the subject of a 1979 Justice Department probe into allegations that Reid--then Nevada Gaming Commission chairman--had received bribes through mob lawyer Oscar Goodman and Tropicana attorney Jay H. Brown. The probe officially cleared Reid, but he subsequently received numerous contributions from gambling industry figures, including Brown.
Some Democrats are worried that Reid's continued presence in the Senate leadership undermines Democratic hopes of scoring significant gains this November.
Earlier this month, Reid described Oscar Goodman--now Mayor of Las Vegas--as "a real vote-getter" who would be "a very, very strong candidate" if he entered the race for the Senate seat held by Republican John Ensign. "I'm happy to give him any advice or counsel that he needs or wants," Reid told the Las Vegas Sun. "I've known him for many, many years and will have to wait and see what he decides to do." Before becoming mayor in 1999, Goodman was a defense attorney whose mob clients included Anthony "Tony the Ant" Spilotro.
"Reid is going around the country talking about a 'Republican scandal'--about Republicans accepting one- and two-thousand dollar contributions from Jack Abramoff, when his own PAC took in $60,000," said one Republican strategist. "If this is what the Democrats call a 'Culture of Corruption,' it ought to be an interesting discussion."
Some Democrats are also upset that Reid capitulated on President Bush's nomination of Judge Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court. "Everyone knows there are not enough votes to support a filibuster," Reid told reporters, even as Senator John Kerry (D-MA) and others worked to drum up support for such an effort. Reid later stated he would support a filibuster, but only as a sort of protest vote. "I think it is an opportunity for people to express their opinion as to what a bad choice (Alito) was," Reid said.
Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean, appearing on Fox News Sunday, made no announcements concerning Reid's status, but did comment on the growing controversy.
Moderator Chris Wallace asked Dean, "if we find that there were some Democrats who wrote letters on behalf of some of the Indian tribes that Abramoff represented, then what do you say, sir?"
Without mentioning Reid by name, Dean replied, "That's a big problem. And those Democrats are in trouble. And they should be in trouble."
And fantomas says the Democrats aren't involved, eh? Well, well, well...
Reid is no stranger to scandal, having been the subject of a 1979 Justice Department probe into allegations that Reid--then Nevada Gaming Commission chairman--had received bribes through mob lawyer Oscar Goodman and Tropicana attorney Jay H. Brown. The probe officially cleared Reid, but he subsequently received numerous contributions from gambling industry figures, including Brown.
Some Democrats are worried that Reid's continued presence in the Senate leadership undermines Democratic hopes of scoring significant gains this November.
Earlier this month, Reid described Oscar Goodman--now Mayor of Las Vegas--as "a real vote-getter" who would be "a very, very strong candidate" if he entered the race for the Senate seat held by Republican John Ensign. "I'm happy to give him any advice or counsel that he needs or wants," Reid told the Las Vegas Sun. "I've known him for many, many years and will have to wait and see what he decides to do." Before becoming mayor in 1999, Goodman was a defense attorney whose mob clients included Anthony "Tony the Ant" Spilotro.
"Reid is going around the country talking about a 'Republican scandal'--about Republicans accepting one- and two-thousand dollar contributions from Jack Abramoff, when his own PAC took in $60,000," said one Republican strategist. "If this is what the Democrats call a 'Culture of Corruption,' it ought to be an interesting discussion."
Some Democrats are also upset that Reid capitulated on President Bush's nomination of Judge Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court. "Everyone knows there are not enough votes to support a filibuster," Reid told reporters, even as Senator John Kerry (D-MA) and others worked to drum up support for such an effort. Reid later stated he would support a filibuster, but only as a sort of protest vote. "I think it is an opportunity for people to express their opinion as to what a bad choice (Alito) was," Reid said.
Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean, appearing on Fox News Sunday, made no announcements concerning Reid's status, but did comment on the growing controversy.
Moderator Chris Wallace asked Dean, "if we find that there were some Democrats who wrote letters on behalf of some of the Indian tribes that Abramoff represented, then what do you say, sir?"
Without mentioning Reid by name, Dean replied, "That's a big problem. And those Democrats are in trouble. And they should be in trouble."
And fantomas says the Democrats aren't involved, eh? Well, well, well...
And in the world of MIB, I guess two wrongs do make a right. Funny, I don't recall Fantomas needing help in expressing thoughts or ideas.
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millerbeach:
... Funny, I don't recall Fantomas needing help in expressing thoughts or ideas.
No, not with "The Guardian," "Village Voice" and other lefty rags from Brazil to Belgium around to feed him lines.
... Funny, I don't recall Fantomas needing help in expressing thoughts or ideas.
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gmginsfo:
That sounds like something MiMatt would say.QUOTE
millerbeach:
... Funny, I don't recall Fantomas needing help in expressing thoughts or ideas.
No, not with \"The Guardian,\" \"Village Voice\" and other lefty rags from Brazil to Belgium around to feed him lines. ... Funny, I don't recall Fantomas needing help in expressing thoughts or ideas.
GO GOP!! Bringing back honesty and integrity...and small government!! WOO HOO!!!
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gmginsfo:
Gmg is just jealous that there aren't any credible news publications, including right-wing ones, to buttress his thin sophistry. But hey, he's making inroads with his party. Didn't Warrantless Wiretapper again broach that anti-gay marriage iniative in his elaborate tissue of lies called the State of the Union Address last night?
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millerbeach:
... Funny, I don't recall Fantomas needing help in expressing thoughts or ideas.
No, not with \"The Guardian,\" \"Village Voice\" and other lefty rags from Brazil to Belgium around to feed him lines. ... Funny, I don't recall Fantomas needing help in expressing thoughts or ideas.
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