Maybe I didnt look far enough down so forgive me if this is a redundant thread, but is anyone else complaining about gas prices right now? I dont know what you heard, but wasnt the price of gas supposed to go DOWN after we took over Iraq?! I just paid $1.61 for some regular unleaded. I got $9 worth of gas since it was all I had on me and that didnt even get me a quarter of a tank. Is this my punishment for driving an Xterra and supporting terrorism and drug lords?

Wow 1.61!!!! It's now 1.99 for regular here in Portland!! Of course, we don't pump our gas here, which is great when it's raining.

Let's see, the price of gas is going through the roof, we're in a war with an oil country, and the Prez is from an oil family.......

$1.61 a gallon is damn cheap compared to the prices in Spokane!

I'm here, I'm queer, I'm complaining:

$1.99 an unleaded gallon is a bargain in SDiego these days, but you'll have to forego those miles and pay cash! frown

I just got done filling up at a Shell station here. $1.86 UNLEADED!!!!!! :mad:

guess the phx gas crunch screwed you all....

Y'all need to stop your whining. It's $2.35 here in LA.

it's $1.63 here. i filled up my honda civic (35mpg) for $16 the other day...

Over the weekend I saw a full service Mobil here in CT with a $2.39 price. eek!

Last week, I saw a SELF serve 76 charging $2.449 for the cheap stuff eek! eek!
And, just down the hill from it was a Mobil charging $2.039.
And, guess what... the 76 had more business than the Mobil station :confused:

I don't understand that... maybe the 76 was handing out porno with each fill up or something?

Local price here seems to be around $1.74. I think that now that the vacation (heavy driving) season is over the price should start to come down. I did read that the administration is restocking the nation's emergency supplies which are stored down in TX and LA. Taking this not insifgnificant amount of fuel off the market has helped to support the higher price. I believe we should always have the maximum amount stored for emergency use, but seems that the time to accumulate reserves would be when the price is falling or low. As it is, the taxpayer is paying top dollar and the purchase of emergency fuel supplies by the government is adding fuel to the fire in our overheated gas market.

In Montauk, Long Island this holiday weekend: 2.20, 2.30, and 2.40 a gallon. Each weekend this summer it went up at least a nickle, and just last week crept up by ten cents and this week the same. The summer started out at 1.54 or so.

Yo, Shore! Just wanted to say Montauk's a cool place. Friends of mine have a house there and I spent a week visiting a few years ago. After three days of meetings in Manhattan, it was great to get out of the city and into all that beach, ocean and air. Great place - and that country club masquerading as a "State Park" is one of its many fine features. To Hell with The Hamptons, which we visited just to see what all the noise was about - I'll take the tip of Long Island anyday!

Tell me about it! Thank God gas never went up and its price was never manipulated during the Clinton years!

No sorry. I shall continue to whine if gas costs too damn much regardless of what some other state is paying. You ought to be killing gas station attendents if youre paying $2.35!

Well if you believe Fox New's Bill O'Reilly and the CATO Institute, as many on this board are want to do, the main problem with our current gas prices lies with the Saudis. (Not, sadly for PhillyFan, the governor of the state of Arizona.) Apparently, according to the litigious one, the Saudis have cut back on production even in this, our hour of need.

I heard the Saudis did cut back, I wonder if that was in response to the 9/11 report?
Seems to me if we can put a man on the moon in 10 years we could do the same with fuel cells, and screw opec.

Late afternoon yesterday, the 10th, I filled up at $1.74 per gallon at a local Speedway. Today I stopped by the same station in the morning to pick up a newspaper. The price was up to $1.85 per gallon!

As I plunked down my coins for the paper, I looked at the attendant and asked him what the heck was up with the 11c price jump in 18 hours. He said nothing.

So much for the media's explanations that gas prices will go down after Labor Day.

I paid $1.50 for regular unleaded earlier this week. Compared to what some of you guys are paying I guess that's pretty cheap.

I think maybe we are getting the Halliburton home state discount.

In Brooklyn, on Wednesday (when I bought some), gas was $2.17/gallon. That was premium, which I use, even though it's said that premium is no better than regular.

I would start driving less, but in NYC, on the weekend (when I do most of my driving), 80% of the subway lines are now under repair and therefore subject to serious delays.

Gas prices have gone down here in KC. $1.51 to $1.55 range for regular. It's always a couple of cents cheaper on the Missouri side of the metro area. It's gone down almost 20 cents in the past two weeks.

I drove to Cape Cod and back last weekend, the lowest I paid (and my car requires Premium) was 1.75 in New Jersey, the highest was 2.11 in Connecticut

I'm quoting myself here because I wish to do another analysis on this Speedway gas price. As mentioned above, on the 11th it jacked up 11c to $1.85 per gallon. Well, on the 13th it went down to $1.74. Guess what? Today, it's now $1.75 per gallon.

Just how the phuck can gas go up and down like that? Isn't the same fuel still underground in the tanks? It's not like the gas tanker trucks are refueling every damn day with gas based on daily oil prices.

Unfrickin'believable! :mad:

Dallas has finally made it below a buck 60. Its hovering in the $1.57 neighborhood.

Another question: Why is it that when oil prices go up, or stuff like the big blackout occurs, gas shoots up within DAYS, if not sooner; but when oil prices drop, or demand drops, so-called analysts say "it takes several months" for such changes to lead to lower prices at the pump? Huh? :confused: :mad:

That's the same question that's come up in Congress now.

The official response from the Petro association is, as you mentioned, that gas proces are slow to come down because there's a lag time of several weeks for cheaper gas to go from refinery to the pumps.

Not surprisingly, the spokesman failed to address why after the Northeast blackout, gas prices skyrocketed immediately. What? did the more expensive petrol magically transport itself to the gas pumps?

me thinks that the answers are not quite the truth.

[ September 14, 2003, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: ung ]

I know this is the political section, but I really don't want to make this a left/right issue. Why? Because this gas price bullshit has been going on for DECADES, regardless of which party is in power, and every damn time the price spikes so suddenly, we're promised "an investigation."

An investigation my ass! :mad: :mad:

you're right. It's not a left/right issue. It's about greedy oil companies trying to squeeze out every last penny from any and all crisis.

I still remember that after 9/11, gas prices in some stations IMMEDIATELY went up to $12/gallon. and stayed that way for a few days.

Greedy oil companies, indeed, along with a strangulating OPEC.

Now comes our Energy Dept. and the Justice Dept. browbeating that "there's going to be an investigation." Yeah, right. I won't hold my breath.

There hasn't been an investigation for the last 30+ years; why start now? :mad:

Well, ain't this grand: I just saw on the news that analysts said gas prices are up today because of "fears that Hurricane Isabel will adversely affect refineries in Pennsylvania and New Jersey."

What next? Haven't they run out of excuses? :mad:

Not trying to make this a right/left issue, but if we had an actual energy policy in this country (and we haven't had a real attempt at one since the Carter Administration), we might not have to worry about gas prices. We might actually have figured out other ways to, at least, provide electricity to homes, so oil could be devoted to vehicles (I don't see a fully electric car in the next 5 - 10 years).

That same trip to Cape Cod the big political issue was the wind farm they want to put off of the Cape - the rich home owners, including some of the most liberal in America, don't want their f**king views "ruined" (by a very graceful design, I might add), so the entire region has to suffer instead. It's just sad.

CPT, I agree with your sentiments toward the idiots complaining about the windmills, but I have to say that windmills are a terribly inefficient means to alternative energy sources. They're just not capable of producing enough energy to be even slightly meaningful.

I disagree.

In the canary islands(Spain) for example, they have whole windfarms that have the huge windmills and produce quite a huge chunk of the electricity needs of Las Palmas. The region would be hard pressed to meet its electricity needs otherwise.

The answer, my friends, is not blowing in the wind. While wind generation is appealing because it is "clean", it will never make a significant dent as an energy source.

Beyond that wind energy causes some serious problems (beyond obstructing views). My Mom and her neighbors just successfully fought the construction of a huge windfarm near their homes and farms in Wisconsin.

Windfarms create noise (we still don't know what the impact of that is on people, animals (will it affect milk production in cows for example?) -- or even fish / marine mammals near Cape Cod.

There's a fear that stray electricity could harm the same groups.

In winter windmills can throw ice hundreds of yards.

Birds have been killed by flying into the blades. In Wisconsin that was a concern because of a nearby wildlife refuge that hosts thousands of birds that migrate between the South and Canada each spring and fall. No doubt Cape Codders have similar concerns.

[ September 16, 2003, 07:08 AM: Message edited by: DCBucky ]

Found a real "bargain" on my way home from LA yesterday: $1.97 for no-lead at the corner of Beach Blvd. and Warner Ave. in Huntington Beach. Such a deal - NOT! :mad:

ung, come now, even YOU can't equate European power scenarios with ours. God knows that power in Europe, when it exists, is in such limited fashion relative to our production and consumption of it.

I'm all for alternative sources of energy, but I just don't believe windmills are a viable source of this alternative. If the power of wind was truly so effective, we'd be able to get all the electricity we need just from all the hot air on Capitol Hill alone.

[ September 16, 2003, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: MIB ]

Alternative fuels could make a significant contribution to the country's energy supply IMO. Private companies are selling home energy units (wind and solar) that should be encouraged by governments at every level because they reduce our dependence on fossil fuels and distribute production to a larger population (freer market). Large corporate power generators should be required to buy excess power from these small suppliers because they have monopoly control of the means of transmission. There are complicated issues to be worked out but it should be started.

Sorry those systems have a fatal flaw, they do not net any money to Mr Bush

Huh? For data of this sort, try, for example:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...ok/geos/fr.html

I knew France relied on nukes a lot, but I didn't know it was 77%. In Germany, it's only 30%. In the US, it's 20%.

US total electricity production in 2001 was 3.719 trillion kWh, which is nine times that of France. It's late, so I'll leave it to someone else to calculate per capita production for the various countries.

Google for "cia factbook (country)".

So you think Europe is so efficient in its power production? Have you ever been there in the summer? Have you ever tried to get ice in a drink?

Their idea of air conditioned interiors is having the thermometer read 82 indoors. Me? I'd take our indoor meat lockers anyday.

And you want ice in that [usually carbonated] water? One cube, two if you're lucky.

What does that have to do with the efficiency of electrical power generation and transmission?

Plenty. They can't generate enough power to provide for needs that do not even match ours.

HI All
Well we in Australia are paying $AUD 0.90 per Litre == $3.40 per gallon.

Quick whining .... and enjoy your hegemony...

Smoothboy

Well well, OPEC today surprised everybody and announced a cut in oil output, sending oil prices up. How long until we see a rice in prices at the pump? After all, so-called "economists" always tell us it takes a few months for oil price DECREASES to reflect at the pump.

How much do you want to bet the price of gas goes up beginning tomorrow?

Someone remind me again...

EXACTLY why did we invade Iraq?

I mean, I agree Saddam is a bad guy but so is the leader of North Korea (and many other countries)....

No weapons of mass destruction found YET, opps I forgot about that cylinder found under the rose bush.

No link to Saddam and 9/11 - FINALLY confirmed by W.

87 BILLION to REBUILD what we destroyed - what about money for what Bush has DESTROYED HERE?

at the VERY least I thought since we now "control" Iraq....we'd share in the surplus of oil AND reduced gas prices.

What do they pay in Iraq for a gallon of gas?

This war has been a complete disaster (not to mention all the lives lost)!

Fill-up for the record: $1.83 for 87 octane no lead in Chula Vista last Sunday. Better but by no means good. frown

Tampa prices....

Sams regular $1.52
cross the county line $1.34 (in Pasco)

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with Gas prices.

The wells in Iraq (last i heard) we not even close to operating at full capacity, so it wouldnt matter what the hell they were doing.

Now, since gas prices are controlled by the market, which opec is a big part of... gas prices would have gone up, even for iraqi oil. Hence, you still pay more.

Then again, are you suggesting that we take the Iraq oil for free? In that case, you'd say... this war was for oil, not sadaam.

Since we are not taking their oil left and right, you complain that the gas prices are too high.

So which is it?

OPEC to cut production by 3.5% I heard gas may go up .15 per gallon.
Now as a pinko commie leftest, I am glad I don't drive a SUV!
As a person who thinks we are causing major damage to the planet, any rise in gas price make alternative fuels more cost effective