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Yes, its going to be really interesting. Just the other day I saw a headline and read a story online about a Repug. from Connecticut, Shey I think??, running for reelection and calling for a timetable for withdrawl,of all things from Iraq!!! Perhaps sensing voters strong anxiety over the situation over there perhaps?? Hmmmm. Should be interesting to see how badly he is lambasted by his party and Shrub for wanting such a thing, shouldn't it?
Interesting, with all the recent terrorism scares, Bush's approval ratings have NOT gone up and in some cases have gone down a few points. And this is a time where Iraq has not been a big focus, as the Israeli/Hezbollah conflict had been prominent followed right after with the breaking up of the British terror plots.
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hockeyTom:
Yes, its going to be really interesting. Just the other day I saw a headline and read a story online about a Repug. from Connecticut, Shey I think??, running for reelection and calling for a timetable for withdrawl,of all things from Iraq!!! Perhaps sensing voters strong anxiety over the situation over there perhaps?? Hmmmm. Should be interesting to see how badly he is lambasted by his party and Shrub for wanting such a thing, shouldn't it?
Cut and run!Yes, its going to be really interesting. Just the other day I saw a headline and read a story online about a Repug. from Connecticut, Shey I think??, running for reelection and calling for a timetable for withdrawl,of all things from Iraq!!! Perhaps sensing voters strong anxiety over the situation over there perhaps?? Hmmmm. Should be interesting to see how badly he is lambasted by his party and Shrub for wanting such a thing, shouldn't it?
Cut and run!
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Interesting, with all the recent terrorism scares, Bush's approval ratings have NOT gone up and in some cases have gone down a few points.
Actually, a week after the British foiled the attack, Bush's numbers increased to a whopping 42%--not quite the "10-point jump" that That egomaniac Dick Morris predicted.
Interesting, with all the recent terrorism scares, Bush's approval ratings have NOT gone up and in some cases have gone down a few points.
Caught Shays on "Hardball" yesterday, and I am waiting for the attacks from those on the right for him suggesting a timetable for pullout from Iraq....
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hockeyTom:
Caught Shays on \"Hardball\" yesterday, and I am waiting for the attacks from those on the right for him suggesting a timetable for pullout from Iraq....
Right... didn't you know that the GOP position on Iraq is now "mistake were made"? This from uber-maverick John McCain. I find it amusing that only when anti-war sentiment goes above 60% the maverick gets the balls to talk straight.
Caught Shays on \"Hardball\" yesterday, and I am waiting for the attacks from those on the right for him suggesting a timetable for pullout from Iraq....
Well speaking of McCain, after ripping Falwell's University as well as Bob Jones University during his 2000 campaigns....he has now visited Falwell's and is now saying he would consider visiting Bob Jones University (he claims they have made great progress since 2000....right).
... and that he holds no grudges against the "black baby" folks on Team Bush 2000.
More from McCain (don't trust him as far as you can throw him!):
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MCCAIN: I believe that the “Christian Right” has a major role to play in the Republican Party. One reason is because they’re so active and their followers are. And I believe they have a right to be a part of our party. I don’t have to agree with everything they stand for, nor do I have to agree with everything that’s on the liberal side of the Republican Party. If we have to agree on every issue, we’re not a Republican Party. I believe in open and honest debate. Was I unhappy in the year 2000 that I lost the primary and there were some attacks on me that I thought was unfair? Of course. Should I get over it? Should I serve — can I serve the people of Arizona best by looking back in anger or moving forward?
RUSSERT: Do you believe that Jerry Falwell is still an agent of intolerance?
MCCAIN: No, I don’t. I think that Jerry Falwell can explain how his views on this program when you have him on.
And that \"Christian Right\" guy that he thinks isn't an \"agent of intolerance\"? Here's some of what Falwell has to say about the world today (I know, I know, we all remember his wacko comments about gays and lesbians, etc.):RUSSERT: Do you believe that Jerry Falwell is still an agent of intolerance?
MCCAIN: No, I don’t. I think that Jerry Falwell can explain how his views on this program when you have him on.
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FALWELL: I expect the Lord to return in the 21st century to Rapture at his church. Now, I can't prove that. I cannot prove that the Lord is gonna come in this century. No one knows the day or the hour, but in my heart I believe it because there are no more predicted events that need to happen before our Lord can return.
[...]
I expect a global economy in the 21st century, which first will manifest itself as a cashless society. I believe that plastic will take the place of cash, and that while this will only be fulfilled during the tribulation period at the Rapture, I believe that God is setting the stage for, and laying the infrastructure for, a cashless society right now. Most people, many pay their bills online already. And the day will come, I believe, when there will be no cash, and the only way you can get cash and trade and to do business is to [points to his forehead] have the mark of the beast.
And then I expect the nations of the world in the 21st century to move rapidly towards a one-world government. We already have the U.N. -- it's a useless bunch. But we've already got the U.N., and they will not be the one-world government, but they are the infrastructure, the stage on which the Antichrist will build his one-world government.
Just keep in mind, millions of people listen and take seriously what this man AND Pat Robertson have to say. Both have been "counselors" to the current president. And McCain is making his bed with them. The "black baby" flap is peanuts compared to these...NUTS![...]
I expect a global economy in the 21st century, which first will manifest itself as a cashless society. I believe that plastic will take the place of cash, and that while this will only be fulfilled during the tribulation period at the Rapture, I believe that God is setting the stage for, and laying the infrastructure for, a cashless society right now. Most people, many pay their bills online already. And the day will come, I believe, when there will be no cash, and the only way you can get cash and trade and to do business is to [points to his forehead] have the mark of the beast.
And then I expect the nations of the world in the 21st century to move rapidly towards a one-world government. We already have the U.N. -- it's a useless bunch. But we've already got the U.N., and they will not be the one-world government, but they are the infrastructure, the stage on which the Antichrist will build his one-world government.
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Interesting, isn't it? How accurate the book of Revelations describes the increasing anarchy seen in the world? So perfect that preachers ring the bells of doom, announce the inevitable End of Days, and call upon all sinners (and voters) to "Repent - for the kingdom of God is at hand"?
And that this book of the Bible has done so for about eighteen centuries or so?
If Mr Falwell truly believes all of this, then surely he knows the upcoming one-world government under the Antichrist is just part of God's plan that he revealed to John in Revelations. So why is he trying to stop it? Unless by voting for the GOP, one is actually helping to bring it along, and thus...
Oooooohhh! Never mind.
Anyone actually read the book of Revelations? It's about thirty-five chapters of the author (John, whoever he was) describing the persecution of Christians under the Romans in unbelievably vague and symbolic terms. For good reason, obviously - he didn't want to get persecuted and killed himself. But because of this, when he goes to name the main persecuter (probably Nero), he slips into numerology and gives the name as "thrice six". Which is why Falwell is waiting for us all to get our foreheads tattooed with treble sixes more than 1500 years after the fact.
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And that this book of the Bible has done so for about eighteen centuries or so?
If Mr Falwell truly believes all of this, then surely he knows the upcoming one-world government under the Antichrist is just part of God's plan that he revealed to John in Revelations. So why is he trying to stop it? Unless by voting for the GOP, one is actually helping to bring it along, and thus...
Oooooohhh! Never mind.
Anyone actually read the book of Revelations? It's about thirty-five chapters of the author (John, whoever he was) describing the persecution of Christians under the Romans in unbelievably vague and symbolic terms. For good reason, obviously - he didn't want to get persecuted and killed himself. But because of this, when he goes to name the main persecuter (probably Nero), he slips into numerology and gives the name as "thrice six". Which is why Falwell is waiting for us all to get our foreheads tattooed with treble sixes more than 1500 years after the fact.
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Yet another story describing the chaotic times for Republicans. It's a sign of the times that GOP'ers everywhere, including the White House's best friend Rick Santorum, are touting their independence from our Imperious President.
How well off can the GOP be when they're running like scared rabbits from their Imperious Leader in W?
How well off can the GOP be when they're running like scared rabbits from their Imperious Leader in W?
Tee Hee Hee. Now I get to tell all the Rethuglicans to suck it up...you LOST! America is finally waking up to the utter disaster known as the presidency of GWB. What an utter failure George W. Bush has been. I can hardly wait to read the history books on this one. I could not be happier. No, wait, I'll be much happier when all those Rethuglicans are tossed out on their asses in November. I'll start putting the bubbly on ice right now!
Never misunderestimate the power of fear and intimidation.
Nope, your right sport. Its so clear how the Repugs. are going to operate. Fear Factor..fear factor!!! I caught part of "Meet the Press" last week in which Sanitarium was on against Casey, and it was such fun listening to Sanitarium trying to defend his voting record which was pro-Shrub about 99% of the time.....He too brought up the fear factor, claiming if you vote for the Dems. the terrorists are going to bring it on here...blah, blah, blah. The American people are finally getting it, and I don't think its going to work this time.
I learned in political science to never underestimate the power of fear and stupidity. Combine those with what the GOP is pushing this fall and there is a good chance that they'll hold on to Congress.
That remains to be seen, but one thing they will do is go negative in the ads, one thing they excell in, and they will be doing it early and often, so the Dems. had better be ready for this!! If you think '04 was ugly, just wait.
This New York Times article gives us a glimpse of what's to come by the GOP. Personally I think it's risky for them considering that the majority of the people in this country are distinguishing between the War in Iraq & the War on Terror. Either way, the Dems best be ready for a counter attack re: National Security issues.
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Never misunderestimate the power of fear and intimidation.
Amen.Never misunderestimate the power of fear and intimidation.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
TERRA! TERRA! TERRA!
Yet even more fearmongering to attribute to our Imperious President, courtesy of this Yahoo story. When will America wake up to see just how badly the Bush Regime will stretch things to fit their mold of the "war on terror"?
Risky message indeed!
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Perhaps most challenging for the GOP: How to stay on message about what exactly is happening in Iraq when what the public sees on TV appears so different from the descriptions put forth by Bush and other administration officials. Last week, Army Gen. John Abizaid, the senior U.S. commander in Iraq, testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee that sectarian violence in Baghdad and other areas “is probably as bad as I’ve seen it”—prompting Democrats and some Republicans to talk of an impending civil war.
Yet on Monday, Bush went before the cameras at his Texas ranch, where he pushed back on those critics. “You know, I hear people say, ‘Well, civil war this, civil war that,’” he told reporters. “The Iraqi people decided against civil war when they went to the ballot box. And a unity government is working to respond to the will of the people. And frankly, it’s quite a remarkable achievement on the political front, and the security front is where there have been troubles.”
What a buffoon! Does Bush really think we're clueless?!
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Perhaps most challenging for the GOP: How to stay on message about what exactly is happening in Iraq when what the public sees on TV appears so different from the descriptions put forth by Bush and other administration officials. Last week, Army Gen. John Abizaid, the senior U.S. commander in Iraq, testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee that sectarian violence in Baghdad and other areas “is probably as bad as I’ve seen it”—prompting Democrats and some Republicans to talk of an impending civil war.
Yet on Monday, Bush went before the cameras at his Texas ranch, where he pushed back on those critics. “You know, I hear people say, ‘Well, civil war this, civil war that,’” he told reporters. “The Iraqi people decided against civil war when they went to the ballot box. And a unity government is working to respond to the will of the people. And frankly, it’s quite a remarkable achievement on the political front, and the security front is where there have been troubles.”
What a buffoon! Does Bush really think we're clueless?!
Well this is pretty telling. Sounds like lots of Southern Republican women have come to their
senses!
" I think history will show him to be the worst President since Ulysses S. Grant. He is an embarassment." Well said.
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senses!
" I think history will show him to be the worst President since Ulysses S. Grant. He is an embarassment." Well said.
[ September 07, 2006, 08:40 AM: Message edited by: hockeyTom ]
....but there's also a very scary comment by one woman at the end of the article:
"There are some people, and I'm one of them, that believe George Bush was placed where he is by the Lord," Tomanio said. "I don't care how he governs, I will support him. I'm a Republican through and through."
....maybe I should post this on the "those who should be shot" thread.
"There are some people, and I'm one of them, that believe George Bush was placed where he is by the Lord," Tomanio said. "I don't care how he governs, I will support him. I'm a Republican through and through."
....maybe I should post this on the "those who should be shot" thread.
"I don't care how he governs, I will support him. I'm a Republican through and through."
Scary indeed. Alot of republicans feel this way.
How he governs? Yawn, who cares, he's a republican!
Scary indeed. Alot of republicans feel this way.
How he governs? Yawn, who cares, he's a republican!
>>>"There are some people, and I'm one of them, that believe George Bush was placed where he is by the Lord," Tomanio said. "I don't care how he governs, I will support him. I'm a Republican through and through."
I love this quote. So when Clinton won twice in the 90s, was that the Lord's work, too? Or was he on vacation then, and his assistant screwed something up? Or did he let Satan take over, just to show the good people of Earth what would happen if they remained off their guard?
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I love this quote. So when Clinton won twice in the 90s, was that the Lord's work, too? Or was he on vacation then, and his assistant screwed something up? Or did he let Satan take over, just to show the good people of Earth what would happen if they remained off their guard?
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Another story from MSNBC details the military's objections to our Imperious President's plan to hold military tribunals for the Getmo detainees. Come on, how much fearmongering can we take before we start to say no to this Regime and his lackeys in Congress?
There are some very interesting primaries going on today, which I am going to be watching.......
Bush's approval rating dropped to a new low today -- a staggering 33% in the latest Newsweek poll.
How Low Can The Republicans Go? Bush Now At 33% Approval
How Low Can The Republicans Go? Bush Now At 33% Approval
Indeed. This is exactly why so many in the GOP are running away from him. I have also heard other polls that show the same thing. Iraq continues to drag down his numbers.
OK, just how many GOP'ers are running ads where they are standing WITH our Imperious President? I think you could count that number on one hand. Everyone is running away from the president faster than a jackrabbit from a gunshot.
Its looking good for the Dems., but still a month to the election and a lot can happen in that time. Hopefully the polls will continue as they are but ya never know.
Another Republican closet case was revealed today! 
Governor Jeb Bush had to hide in a closet today to avoid anti GOP protestors while he was in town to campaign for the ever popular Senator Santorum.
Governor Jeb Bush had to hide in a closet today to avoid anti GOP protestors while he was in town to campaign for the ever popular Senator Santorum.
Democrats open a commanding 23-point lead in CNN/USA Today Gallup poll... more than double the lead Republicans had in 1994 when they swept into power. Bush and Republicans continue freefall.
Poll: GOP In Trouble
Poll: GOP In Trouble
All I have to say is Thanks be to God! This country is finally waking up from the nightmare known as the Bush Asministration. I was so worried that the brainwashing had taken a deeper hold. My prayers have been answered that this is not the case, and some of my faith has been restored in the American public. This is the best news I have seen in a while...thanks for the good news!
Yes indeed. I just read an article this morning where the GOP said it expects to lose between 7 and 30 seats in the House. Its not a time to be cocky, but I would say some confidence would be expected. The Dems. have got a good opportunity here, assuming we get control of one or both house of Congress this November. They would get a chance to show that we can make some positive progress going into the '08 elections. But of course its going to take some time to clean up the mess the GOP has left us.
Miller ... my recollections of 2000 and 2004 (FL and OH -- not to mention the Reichstag Fire Decree of February 28, 1933) tell me not to count my chickens before they hatch. Don't breath too easily until 2009.
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Miller ... my recollections of 2000 and 2004 (FL and OH -- not to mention the Reichstag Fire Decree of February 28, 1933) tell me not to count my chickens before they hatch. Don't breath too easily until 2009.
Exactly -- Kos has an article on his blog today about not being too cocky. My fear is that all the reports of a Dem victory and GOP defeat will cause the Dems to become complacent and the GOP-kool-aid-drinkers to come out in force.
I would encourage anyone who has hope for our nation's future to NOT become complacent. We all have to get out there and vote and get our friends, neighbors and relatives to do the same.
This article was sent by a friend via email to me. Thought it would bring a different perspective on things come this Nov. He seems to be pretty objective. Read on...
A very interesting and thought provoking piece to be sure. As much as I want the Dems. to take control of at least one House of Congress, I am hoping they really and truly understand what they ( we) are getting into here. There is so much going on in the country and in the world at this moment, that demand attention and answers. Thats why I said I think they have a tremendous opportunity here, assuming they don't blow it, to show if in power again, either in one House of Congress or the Presidentcy that we can actually accomplish something and do some good. Thats my hope anyways. 
A piece of libertarian orthodoxy, and as we know, libertarians have never successfully run any state. Have they? Nope. But anyways, he's right on his outcomes about a Democratic Congress taking over. It would be the best thing to check Bush. The Republican Congress has had no pulse whatsoever, unless you call enabling everything the President wanted beneficial for our country. Just look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Katrina, job creation, the environment...oh, you know the litany. So let's try the Democrats. They couldn't be any worse, and will probably be a whole lot better!
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A piece of libertarian orthodoxy, and as we know, libertarians have never successfully run any state. Have they? Nope...
Yeah you're right about the libertarians never having success in running any state. Sometimes I find, however, that "outsiders" have a better view of things than "insiders" do. Also, I don't know about you, but as for me every once in a while I need a good dose of constructive criticism. I find it healthy & it brings me back down to earth. As much as I have Demo blood running thru my veins & have for several generations of my family's history, I often have to remind myself of the dark history of the party I so dearly ID w/ & support. It's hard to believe that 150 yrs or so ago the Demos were the party of the Confederacy, defended slavery even w/ their lives & yes, as the article pointed out, got us into the Vietnam war (which by the way I lost a brother to this war 2 months after out of boot camp). My point to all this is that I find it important, once again, to be humbled about the past & try not to be sanctimonious about our present time. Finally, I find that brutal honesty always keeps me in check.
SCTrojan, I'm with you. I think the site itself and its overall philosophy annoyed me, but the guy does make some good points. And I have some libertarian left leanings myself. (Not towards the Nozick side of things, but I am in favor of the government staying out of adults' bedrooms, etc.) One thing I'd like to see, and perhaps it should happen in a small state like Wyoming, say, is for libertarians to gain control of the leadership and then we could see how they govern.
President Clinton is doing his part and getting the Dems. motivated. He has really stepped it up the past few weeks. Right on Mr. President!!!
Right now, I'm watching this program on CNN called "Broken Government". It's such a slam on both sides and I'm agreeing largely with the assessments.
By and large, the Republicans are amoral and the Democrats are gutless. Sadly, that is the truth of politics today in one sentence. At this point, I'm choosing the Democrats, since the Republicans failed miserably. The more disillusioned I become with the state of politics in America, the more disgusting it looks.
By and large, the Republicans are amoral and the Democrats are gutless. Sadly, that is the truth of politics today in one sentence. At this point, I'm choosing the Democrats, since the Republicans failed miserably. The more disillusioned I become with the state of politics in America, the more disgusting it looks.
It is pathetic isn't it? I mean it seems the cancer runs so deep on both sides that there are no healthy candidates to truly and unselfishly represent the people.
It's truly discouraging when people have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
It's truly discouraging when people have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
Very interesting story in the Spokesman-Review here this morning. Seems the GOP is having to dump much more money than they had thought/planned for, into some local races here in Eastern Washington and North Idaho. Seems Cathy McMorris® is getting a real run for her money from upstart Dem. Peter Goldmark. Go Peter Go!!!
One thing to watch: Yesterday's ruling by the NJ Supreme Court on gay marriage could easily energize the Republican base and tip the scales in some of these close Senate races. The GOP now has the wedge it needs take to the evangelicals and other right wingers. I'm sure that for some Republicans, this ruling was a Godsend.
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One thing to watch: Yesterday's ruling by the NJ Supreme Court on gay marriage could easily energize the Republican base and tip the scales in some of these close Senate races. The GOP now has the wedge it needs take to the evangelicals and other right wingers. I'm sure that for some Republicans, this ruling was a Godsend.
I'm not sure it will, especially since the Foley follies have thrown the whole issue of homosexuality and the hypocrisy of "family values" rhetoric and behavior that runs utterly contrary to it back in the Republicans' faces. In New Jersey in particular, both Menendez and Kean Jr. support civil unions, I believe, so it won't help the Republican very much if at all. Had this happened when Corzine was running for governor, I think it might have energized a lot more evangelicals, but all signs seem to show that they're fed up with being taken for granted. Well, the majority, not the really crazy James Dobson-Marilyn Musgrave crowd, who were denouncing gays and lesbians just a few weeks ago irrespective of the pending NJ decision.
FT, you make a valid assessment. If not for Foley-gate, the Republican base would be more than energized. However, without the family values key, the Republicans will find themselves mostly locked out of the halls of Congress.
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