No it's Woman+sports writer= Stupid

WNBA + Sport = Horse Racing

Dixi chic + Fat = Pork chop...

Sounds like someone is still bitter that Mommy didn't love him enough to come to his little league games... wink

Mom loved me more than the other kids...

PF, you slay me! Every time I'm ready to put you on ignore you make me laff.

Besides, I woulda been projecting, 'cept that I was never athletic enough to play softball.

gj

Well, y'all have convinced me that I need to run out and buy the new Dixie Chicks CD. I've got "Wide Open Spaces," which I absolutely love, had passed "Fly" but I'm going to run out and get "Home" today after work.

I don't imagine that people like PhillyFan were Dixie Chicks fans before this whole brouhaha. But what amazes me is how so much of their country music fan base in the South turned on them, and so quickly.

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This whole debate reminds me of the episode of All in the Family where Archie tells Mike "America: love it or leave it" and starts singing God Bless America. Meanwhile a hippie-looking Mike tries in vain to explain that he loves America too, and that he protests when he thinks that things are wrong.

My question is: why is protesting seen as wrong and unpatriotic? Wasn't it protest against British rule that lead to the formation of the United States? Didn't protesting the status quo lead to women's right to vote, civil rights, gay rights, etc.? Were there not massive anti-war protests during the Vietnam-era.... and are not those former hippie protesters now the middle class masses of today?

And wasn't the Dixie Chicks concert in question... in England?

[ April 29, 2003, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: canmark ]

Well, I've been reading all the back-and-forth here and opting not to post, because it's a bit out of control. Personally, I find that most people don't change their political opinions -- regardless of how logical or sometimes illogical the arguments against their position may be. So, I choose to form my own opinions and leave others to do the same. I thought the boycott was ridiculous and promptly went out to buy albums by the Dixie Chicks to support them, for what it's worth.

Mostly, however, I just wanted to say bravo to the following. This is as well-said as it gets:

Finally, all the "fat girl" and "commie pinko" rhetoric really detracts from this website which has always been a haven for guys who were probably called "sissies" and "faggots" while growing up and thought they had found a place where there was room for more thoughtfullness before people opened their mouths.

Thank you, OF :cool:

Oh, PhillyFan, to think I defended you in the P&R war threads during the war! Goodness gracious landsakes alive, you've really outdone yourself in this thread! I know you can take it as well as dish it out, but jeeminy, your name-calling has in this thread is a tad harsh. Really, comparing WNBA players to horses??? Might cause you to lose your credibility on this board. Oh, ummm, wait... wink

I love the Dixie Chicks, I don't think Natalie is fat, and I don't care what she thinks about the war. I'll buy their music either way.

Okay, so she's ashamed of our president, big whoop. She was correct in expressing herself if that's what she wanted to do, but at a time when over 70% of Americans supported Bush, and while they were in another country, using the word "ashamed" came across as sounding extremely unpatriotic and was just not a very bright thing to do. I don't want to punish her for it, I just want to give her a tiny whack upside the head and say, "what were you thinking?" It came across, intended or not, as being ashamed to be American. To even imply that about the country that made you rich and famous is not a good way to stay rich and famous.

i DID have a Dixi Chics CD... it was for sale like a month ago. heh heh...

Let's change FAT to "big boned".. will that make you happy?

I retract ZERO appologies for the WNBA comment cause well... no one watches it, no one cares... no one goes... Forget the "they deserve a league" No they dont, they dont have any athletic ability and i'm 150% sure i could grab ANY GOOD mens High School team and beat any WNBA team. Sorry kids, the way it is. The funnies moment in the history of sports is about to come.. the WNBA strike... so i ask, if a tree falls in the forest with no one around, does anyone hear it?

Women sports writers? OK, someone find me one.

Jamie said i think all women are FAT... so i merely gave more ammunition of what i think of women in sports.

maxallen, wouldn't taking the attitude "I got rich in America, hence nothing its government does can EVER make me ashamed" be the ultimate in hateful selfishness?

As I generally say about righties in general... anyone who isn't at least occasionally ashamed of the way our nation-state conducts itself abroad (ie, callously and bloodily) is either ignorant or evil.

Oh, absolutely!!! That's why I said it's not a good way to stay rich. I didn't mean to say they should never be ashamed, only that it's probably not very bright to announce it in public at a time of war when you're trying to sell lots of albums to people who don't feel the same way.

[ April 29, 2003, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: maxallen ]

this may shock you guys. especially since many of you have branded me an extremist fascist conservative. eek!

anyway, before I report to working for Senator Helms and the Family Research Council, I wanted to say that I have no problem with artists speaking out on socio-political matters.

If you look at history in the US and the rest of the world, art has consistently been a strong voice for political movements, protest, change.

Look at the importance art (painters, writers, singers) played behind the iron curtain and elsewhere.

Vissotsky in the USSR, Picasso in Spain, Havel in Tcheckoslovakia, Nuryev , Allende etc etc.

In fact, when people could not speak up against repression, art often times provided the only outlet for expression. I encourage it.

[ April 29, 2003, 06:35 PM: Message edited by: ung ]

Thank you. The repressed are always the worst repressors!

Fat is fat. But people have a right to be fat. And other people have a right to like it or not like it. Problem?

And the Chicks have every right to criticize Bush. I think their war views are naive and stupid, but that's my opinion, they can have their own. Threats against them are out of bounds and are at least unethical (unamerican?) if not illegal. But people also have the right to boycott if they don't like them. No different than a gay guy choosing not to buy an Eminem CD because he thinks he's homophobic.

Hey Philly Fan -- sounds like you've been interviewed by The Onion this week!

A little late, but now Jerry Fallwell has put in his 2 cents:

Phillyfan, I kind of agree with you about the WNBA. But, You're comments are diabolical. You've got everyone biting. You are a true Rushie fan.

Hard to pick a favorite quote, the crick is always good when describing water.... but i'll go with

I recently hosted a Dixie Chicks CD burning, but it was because the brown-haired one got fat."

This is probably a whole different thread, but I am so tired of people who criticize and are even "ashamed" of the President being called unpatriotic. This is simply not the case, even in a time of war and even on foreign soil. The definition of "patriotism" is "love of and devotion to one's country" (American Heritage Dictionary). It most certainly is NOT the love of and devotion to the President. In fact, as Teddy Roosevelt said, blind devotion to one's leader is any but patriotic.

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

*Natalie is not fat: her body type, and being shorter than the other 2 women makes he LOOK chubby - but she is not even "overweight" in the least.

*Maxallen: Why should people be "dishing it out" in this community? I thought we were here to be friends, not to abuse each other..... :confused:

*Thank you, Gaga4Gaby:
Finally, all the "fat girl" and "commie pinko" rhetoric really detracts from this website which has always been a haven for guys who were probably called "sissies" and "faggots" while growing up and thought they had found a place where there was room for more thoughtfullness before people opened their mouths.

ANYONE can stoop to insulting people...how much intelligence does THAT take?

But I digress...I am willing to accept that PF is gay and full of his...um...personality.

[ April 30, 2003, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: bluebird48234 ]

THAT, is the finest post you've ever had birdie... i only had to read it once, and i understood it! No de-coder ring was needed!

No the girl is not FAT, i agreed to call her BIG BONED... really BIG BONED. Bigger than her mouth! see how nice that was.

Repeated again: the United States of America were founded on the principle of DISSENT from a despotic government. We revolted and dissent and dissident thought have been an active element of our nation since before it began. SINCE BEFORE IT BEGAN. W. is no more special than Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, TR, FDR, Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, or anyone else who's faced dissent from among the people. Washington, Lincoln and FDR, in fact, faced intense dissent during the wars--the major ones in our history--that they prosecuted. So why W. has to be special is beyond me. Sing and chatter on, D. Chicks!

The Dixie Chicks start their U.S. (and Canada) tour tonight in Greenville, S.C.

[ May 01, 2003, 08:40 AM: Message edited by: RazorbackTX ]

PhillyFan - Man, you should go!
You could drop by Bob Jones University while you're in Greenville!

Perhaps we should all do this than have the poor big boned gal worry about how many records she can sell....

http://www.opinionjournal.com/medialog/?id=110003435

I loved the sign one of the Chicks' supporters had outside the arena in South Carolina tonight...

"I'm Not Embarrassed Bush Is a Texan! I'm Embarrassed He's An American!"

The Dixie Chicks had a successful opening night in Greenville, S.C.

From Canmarks link:

About 20 Chicks protestors and 20 protestors protesting the protestors held signs and waved flags. The groups were supposed to be parted by about 200 feet, but many times they walked freely near each other with no animosity.


(One of the protestors was wearing a Philadelphia Eagles jersey and was seen throwing batteries at Dixie Chick fans)

The Jerseys get locked up after football season and they dont come out until game one....

My gawd, you're a freak, Phil.

...oh...wait...I do that, too with my Gator house flag. wink

No Flags come out until playoff time....

Note to cowboy fans, the playoffs happen AFTER the Regular season... I know it's been years, but the playoffs are still around.

Two words Philly: Tuna Helper.

BTW, the Dixie Chicks will be in Dallas July 6th...already sold out.

[ May 02, 2003, 11:14 AM: Message edited by: HornFan ]

2 more words which should ring a bell base-ment.

Glad to see so many "Americans" were so incensed at the Chicks excercising their freedom of speech that they felt the need to be there in person to protest.How ironic that they felt the need to throw batteries at people who disagreeed with their narrow little mindsets. eek! I mean, when the esteemed honor of GWB is at stake there is nothing,absolutely nothing out of bounds.Right Philly? :confused: Btw,did you ever expound on just what about Ms. Maine's initial statement you personally found so offensive? :confused: Something tells me that somewhere along the line, Mama Bush has had an occasion to scold Georgyboy. Probably at some point even say she was ashamed of him,maybe even more than once. :cool: Do you and your pal Rush advocate banning her as well? This whole thing has been the epitome of a mountain created from a molehill from the very start.Limbaugh and his ilk should have had their tongues fall out for the audacity of lashing out at such a ridiculously harmless statement,considering the hateful vitrol they spewed towards the Clinton Administration for 8 solid years. :mad:

Sorry,just had to vent.

What in the hell are you talking about batteries for????? Incase you didnt notice, that was a person jab by razor... sheesh, you read the paper dont you? Or do you get all your news from here?

As for the Dixi Chics, the "big boned" girl had to make a TV appearance now didnt she? hmmmm, afriad of the fallout? Good enough for me. Will i buy another CD, prob not. Will i see a tim robbins film? prob not.

And in baggin on Rushie, remember he's the number one listened radio talk show host in america.

It being friday and all you should celebrate beer thirty a little early... i'll pour you one...

[ May 02, 2003, 02:41 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

Yep, Rush is a "hose" alright. Thanks for the chuckle.

PS: Please try not to get too caught up in polls and ratings because your President said during his campaign that he would not govern by polls.

Edited for proper spelling sir.

Why do folks make fun of Natalie's weight? She looked good. And she's the prettiest of the chicks.

not fat just BIG BIG boned....

Now Philly, you KNOW Rush is a "hose" (Freudian slip).

BwaaaHaHaHaHa!

LISTEN HORN, i have no problems picking a fight with a cowgirls fan. I thought ya'all went in the closet when the girls were losing and just jumped back on when the winning started? Then again, you might be dead before that....

What does this have to do with the dixi chics? I hear they need a DT, and who better to fill the position than the "big boned" girl. Heck, it couldnt hurt their run D....

Actually, I think Natalie and Parcells have been doing their hair together. The Tuna has gone from silver to platinum blonde recently. I can't believe he did that! :confused:

Is this typical Parcell's behavior or has Jerry Jones been giving glamour tips?

Yeah, we know, but it's always fun watching the Eagles choke in the playoffs.
Now, I forgot PhillyFan, how many Super Bowls have you guys won????

DJs suspended for playing Dixie Chicks

Just when you thought the GOP had their plate full with gay bashing, tax cutting ect....

http://www.utne.com/web_special/web_specia...es/10440-1.html


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But as Doug Thompson reports for Capitol Hill Blue, the whole “spontaneous” uproar was apparently generated by the Republican Party, which sent out thousands of e-mails instructing the party faithful to complain to their local country radio stations. National GOP staffers themselves hit the phone lines, demanding stations remove the group’s music from playlists.

If you really wanna punish the big boned girl, take away the Gravy from dinner table! well, and the cheesecake... and only one serving.... throwing in a salad wouldnt hurt either.

And a daily brussels-sprouts casserole for you, sir? Oh...with a side of broccoli?

:mad: :mad:

[ May 06, 2003, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: bluebird48234 ]

I LOVE brussels-sprouts and broccoli! I'm not afriad to throw that in my diet...

OK,why can't I just let this go? eek! I think they are talented,but if I'm going to listen to "Landslide",I think the Fleetwood Mac original is far superior to any cover.I guess it's because of the broader (not one word PF) wink issues involved.

Just how effective was this "grass-roots" effort to financially damage the Chicks?Probably not as damaging as our brothers on the Right would like us to believe.Their tour has virtually sold out for the entire summer,including the show they played in Indy last night.That's significant because Indiana (to my enduring embarassment) eek! is a bastion of the GOP.I honestly believe if Nixon came back from the dead and ran for reelection, that he would carry this state.There were about 5 protesters seeking out face time,but a suprising number of people interviewed said that while they "disagreed" with what the Chicks said,they did not dispute their right to say it.
As for the 40% drop in album sales,I think that was a misleading indicator that critics pounced on.Remember,all of this activity transpired in March and roughly coincided with the Grammys.I don't have the exact numbers in front of me,but the Grammy boost for HOME was tremendous.The week prior to the awards, sales had begun to level off and were hovering around the 100,000 mark.The week following the broadcast sales shot up over the 200,000 level,and it was a solid # 1 on the charts.Undoubtedly,there were some lost sales over the "remark",but more likely is the fact that sales were again tapering off after the artificial boost from new fans responding to the Grammys.Despite the "loss of fan support" that the critics constantly trumpeted,the album never slipped below #3 on the charts.In fact it was the top selling country album for the week Prior to the interview with Dianne Sawyer.So while the boycott got a lot of press,I'd say that it's effect on their actual fan base was minimal at best.

Was I off base on my linkage of ClearChannel to this supposedly "grass roots" backlash?Other posters here have alluded to alleged GOP involvement.Here's a link to a press release from trillium investment,a financial advisement group that has among it's clients a significant amount of ClearChannel stockholders.

www.trilliuminvest.com/pages/consult/consult_clearchannel.asp

And Philly in regard to a point you made earlier, I'm well aware that ClearChannel sponsored some stops on the Chicks tour.Of course,the folks that issued the above release were aware of that as well.Also,if you check out the Ticketmaster website,you'll see that ClearChannel is also the sponsor of some of the stops on The Rising tour. However,that did not prevent Springsteen from issuing his statement,which was primarily aimed at ClearChannel.Now you may want to characterize Bruce as "over the hill",but you better believe that "insignificant" statement from Springsteen sent shock waves thru the music industry. Everyone picked up on it,it was quoted on the Sawyer special,and it is referenced in the article above.In fact,it's safe to assume that it directly contributed to the letter from trillium being drafted in the first place.It's also safe to assume that it had a direct influence on the modification of ClearChannel policies that has subsequently occurred.The two top officers at ClearChannel are personally huge Springsteen fans,and the condemnation from Bruce had to serve as a wake up call. :cool:

That I'll agree with. The Pumpkins' version was like the Skorpions' cover of "Can't Explain" -- not Just Like the Original but not different enough to be interesting (and there are remakes I like better than the originals, but that's another topic).

As for Clear Channel, they should be locked in a room for a weekend with Petty's "Last DJ" on continuous loop. Not because of the Chicks, but just on general principle.