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fantomas
I know it takes him a while, but come on, W! Your DADDY SAID THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN 1991! And he didn't hide it in a book (including The Pet Goat) or newspaper so you would miss it. Seriously. HIS OWN FATHER PREDICTED THIS OVER A DECADE AGO...and then his Secretary of State had officials also prepare a thorough dossier predicting the mess to come. And numerous scholars...oh well. Flip W Flop finally edged towards taking some responsibility--969 deaths, nearly 7,000 injuries, countless Iraqi lives later...and only vaguely.

But here's Yahoo!'s take on W's words.

Yahoo!: Bush admits Iraq \"miscalculations\"--NY Times

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - President Bush acknowledged for the first time on Thursday that he had miscalculated post-war conditions in Iraq, the New York Times reported.

The paper quoted Bush as saying during a 30-minute interview that he made \"a miscalculation of what the conditions would be\" in post-war Iraq.

But he insisted that the 17-month-long insurgency was the unintended by-product of a \"swift victory\" against Saddam Hussein's military, the Times reported.

Bush said his strategy had been \"flexible enough\" to respond. \"We're adjusting to our conditions\" in places like Najaf, the paper quoted him as saying.

The Times said Bush deflected further inquiries as to what had gone wrong with the occupation.

According to the Pentagon, 969 U.S. troops have died in Iraq since the invasion, 828 of them since April 30, 2003. An additional 6,690 service members have been wounded, most of them during the occupation.
My favorite bit:

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It quoted him as saying about the leaders of North Korea and Iran: \"I don't think you give timelines to dictators.\"
This was obviously a joke on the NY Times behalf. Right?

[ August 26, 2004, 10:27 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
bobby78751
I guess he "misunderestimated" the resistance. smile.gif What a freakin' moron!
kalabro
I'm cynical enough to think this is some mitigated way of Dumbya trying to cater to those who've been critical of his lack-of-handling of the war. He's gonna pull this kinda mea culpa to try to take some steam out of Kerry's campaign.

Good luck with that, Chimpy!
hockeyTom
An idiot whose time is coming, on November 2nd.
bobby78751
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kalabro:
He's gonna pull this kinda mea culpa to try to take some steam out of Kerry's campaign.
Monkey Prez: "I don't know what that meeeah-cooplah thing is. Sounds like a sexual intercourse position and everyone knows I just do it missionary style because that's the way Jesus would have done it. Let me ask my wife...uh...I mean...uh...let me ask Condie what it means."
kalabro
bobby, you know ol' Chimpy was probably quite the superfreak (R.I.P Rick James) back in the day.

"Miscalculation"...yeah, tell that to the hundreds of families who've lost loved ones since your 'miscalculation,' you chimptastic bastard.
ung
hmmmmm....

BEFORE: "We know where those WMDs are located!"
AFTER: "He probably didn't have them"

BEFORE: "We will get to the bottom of whoever broke the law and outed a CIA operative. There is no way the White House was connected with it"
AFTER:"Time magazine reporter avoids jail time by agreeing to be interviewed about one of the sources for the leak, Scooter Libby.

BEFORE: "We willl be greeted with flowers and kisses"
AFTER: "We made a MISCALCULATION of the conditions"

Flip? Meet Flop! :mad:
bobby78751
Yesterday: We won't win the war on terrorism
Today: We will win the war on terrorism.

Stupid Flip Flopper!!!

The Story

Bush to veterans:'We will win' terror war

By JENNIFER LOVEN / Associated Press


NASHVILLE, Tenn. – President Bush said Tuesday "we will win" the war on terror, seeking to quell controversy and Democratic criticism over his earlier remark that victory may not be possible.


In a speech to the national convention of the American Legion, Bush said, "We meet today in a time of war for our country, a war we did not start yet one that we will win." That statement differed from Bush's earlier comment, aired Monday in a pre-taped television interview, that "I don't think you can win" the war on terror.


That had Democrats running for the cameras to criticize Bush for being defeatist and flip-flopping from previous predictions of victory.


"What if President Reagan had said that it may be difficult to win the war against communism? What if other presidents had said it'd be difficult to win the war – the Cold War?" Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards said on ABC's "Nightline" program. "The war on terrorism is absolutely winnable."


Bush's comment – and the ensuing criticism – took attention away from the carefully crafted image of Bush being broadcast from the Republican National Convention in New York, as a decisive wartime commander in chief who is securing America's safety and sure of the course on which he has set the nation.

As Bush continued a pre-convention journey through one closely contested state after another, aides scrambled to clarify the president's remark and contain the story. And in Tuesday's speech before the American Legion, with popular Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona by his side, Bush himself sought to hit back.


"In this different kind of war, we may never sit down at a peace table," Bush said. "But make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win."


Bush also defended his decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power. Though no weapons of mass destruction have been found, he said Saddam had the capability to make them.


"Knowing what I know today I would have taken the same action," he said. "America and the world are safer with Saddam Hussein sitting in a prison cell."


Bush's war on terror remark wasn't the latest in a string of recent comments in which the president seemed to backpedal previous certainties.


In a flurry of interviews timed to coincide with this week's convention, Bush acknowledged a "miscalculation" about what the United States would encounter in postwar Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime and said the "catastrophic success" of a swift military victory there helped produce the still-potent insurgency.


"First George W. Bush said he miscalculated the war in Iraq, then he called it a catastrophic success and blamed the military," Kerry spokeswoman Allison Dobson said. "Now he says we can't win the war on terror. Is that what (chief Bush political strategist) Karl Rove means when he calls for steady leadership?"


The campaign professed not to be worried that the president had gone off-message.


"The American people have watched the president lead the war on terror decisively for three years," Bush-Cheney spokesman Steve Schmidt said. "The people of this country know what his leadership is."


But Bill Carrick, a California-based Democratic consultant, said the comments – even if they were merely unfortunately phrased expressions of mostly obvious truths – are politically dangerous because they speak to the very heart of the president's re-election pitch.


Carrick saw no hypocrisy in Democrats playing the issue, even though they have cried foul over similar attacks on Democratic presidential challenger John Kerry. For instance, Vice President Dick Cheney criticized Kerry for saying he could fight "a more effective, more thoughtful, more strategic, more proactive, more sensitive war on terror" by singling out for mockery his use of the word "sensitive."


"Turnabout is fair play on this," Carrick said. "Exploit this to the hilt."


Bush's campaign swing will land him in New York on Wednesday, a day before his convention speech accepting the GOP nomination for a second term. From Nashville, Bush travels to Alleman, Iowa, to attend a farm show and ends the long day of campaigning in another crucial state, Pennsylvania, where he makes a late-evening appearance at a picnic.


Also Tuesday, Bush said on NBC's "Today" show that he will continue pursuing diplomatic rather than military options to try to get Iran to halt its nuclear program. Earlier this month, Iran confirmed it had resumed building nuclear centrifuges, which can be used to enrich uranium to weapons grade, and declared it should have the right to advanced nuclear technology.


While he's "deeply concerned" by Iran's actions, Bush said diplomatic efforts are just beginning there and he's hopeful they will be successful.
fantomas
This was such a blatant and inane flipflop it's almost ridiculous. Again, I think he was either off his meds or just spoke from the heart as opposed to from the script--which is terrifying, since it seems clear W rarely if ever is allowed to, or feels the need to tell the truth.

I did see some black delegate from Virginia, a Steele (is he related to that nincompoop Shelby Steele and his brilliant brother Claude?), going on tonight at the Republican Potemkin Conference about Kerry's flipflip on the $87 billion, so I guess he was unaware that MOST of the Republicans also flipflopped on this same bill, voting AGAINST, and then FOR it, and that pResident W threatened to VETO it, before SIGNING it, all for legitimate political reasons, as Kerry's were.

The fascinating thing about that particular "flipflop" is that the Democrats and Republican moderates were right; we should have rescinded the tax cut for the richest Americans to pay for it, since the costs of the war are massive and steadily rising, and we really can't afford it, and we should have LENT the money to Iraq rather than giving it outright, since that country eventually--though no time soon--will have revenues from its oil sufficient to pay for the mess W's made over there.
bobby78751
AWESOME!
canmark
John McCain was interviewed on CNN (I think) the other day, and they asked him how long he thought that American troops would be in Iraq. He said, 20 years! His reassurance was that there are still U.S. troops in Germany and Korea, so being in Iraq indefinitely is not such a bad thing. :confused:
bobby78751
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canmark:
John McCain was interviewed on CNN (I think) the other day, and they asked him how long he thought that American troops would be in Iraq. He said, 20 years! His reassurance was that there are still U.S. troops in Germany and Korea, so being in Iraq indefinitely is not such a bad thing. :confused:
And that idiot Zell Miller says the soldiers in Iraq are liberators and not occupiers? HUH?
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