RobertsInOkc
Sep 5 2005, 10:11 PM
My prediction for my Rams are: 11-5.
The defense looks much improved and the offensive line should only get better. With all of that talent behind it - that's good news. And were not talking about saving a bunch of money on my car insurance.
The better the defense and special teams are, the better the Rams will be. Against Detroit, we made them look silly. My hope (as a Rams fan!) is that we will dominate the West and Stephen Jackson will become a pro-bowl running back in only his second season.
- Go Rams!!!
PhillyFan
Sep 5 2005, 10:15 PM
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RobertsInOkc:
Against Detroit, we made them look silly.
Hello, Pre Season
Mike Martz can turn ANY 11-5 team into 8-8.
RobertsInOkc
Sep 6 2005, 11:23 AM
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PhillyFan:
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RobertsInOkc:
Against Detroit, we made them look silly.
Hello, Pre Season
Mike Martz can turn ANY 11-5 team into 8-8.
He has a better winning percentage than Steve Mmuchi (Detroits Coach). Although I don't love his lack of interest in defense - he does have one of the highest winning percentages among active coaches.
wink
PhillyFan
Sep 6 2005, 11:55 AM
Are you telling me mooch cares about pre-season games?
Boltergeist
Sep 6 2005, 11:56 AM
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RobertsInOkc:
My prediction for my Rams are: 11-5.
The defense looks much improved and the offensive line should only get better. With all of that talent behind it - that's good news. And were not talking about saving a bunch of money on my car insurance.
The better the defense and special teams are, the better the Rams will be. Against Detroit, we made them look silly. My hope (as a Rams fan!) is that we will dominate the West and Stephen Jackson will become a pro-bowl running back in only his second season.
- Go Rams!!! :D
Obviously the San Diego game has been completely erased from your memory. 130 yards rushing in the first quarter. If that's improvement, then the Shams will be looking 5-11 right in the eye.
Married Lady
Sep 6 2005, 12:05 PM
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PhillyFan:
Mike Martz can turn ANY 11-5 team into 8-8.
Amen to that! He took the thing of beauty built by Vermiel and destroyed it.
PhillyFan
Sep 6 2005, 12:29 PM
Martz could have Faulk in his prime, backed up by Jim Brown in his prime...
And STILL throw the ball.
If it wasnt for Tice he'd be the worst coach in the league.
RobertsInOkc
Sep 6 2005, 01:58 PM
The defense changed a lot after the Sandiego game. I saw great improvement, and having those lb's they added (Claiborn and Coakley) really gives the Rams some actual talent. They are also getting more aggressive - which is just what the doctor ordered.
Also, the Rams went to the SUPERBOWL and damn near beat the Patriots WITH MIKE MARTZ AS HEAD COACH in 2002. His offense is WHY THE WON THE SUPERBOWL IN 99. His record stands out among most coaches in the NFL today. Although (as I said) I don't think he's the greatest coach in football - his offensive coordinating is probably the best in football. Next to the Patriots/Colts perhaps.
The 11-5 record was litterally taken from their schedule. I was very realistic too, having the Rams lose to the Cardinals and a the typical road losses.
Just wait and see, I could be wrong. You could be wrong, but either way the RAMS RULE!
[ September 06, 2005, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: RobertsInOkc ]
RobertsInOkc
Sep 6 2005, 02:05 PM
Proper perspective is completely lost when people discuss the Rams.
For instance they were 8-8 last year, with A HORRIBLE DEFENSE. Thus it's my logic that with an improved defense and more aggresive scheme they can have a winning record. Mike Martz (over time) will go down as one of the best offensive coaches of all time. Every quarterback who starts in his offense does extremely well. Even when his teams have a bad defense, his offense bails them out.
For those who say Martz won't run the ball - Watch Stephen Jackson this season. #39 will remind people of Ricky Williams, but in a better offense and faster. He rushed for over 100 yards against Detroit and now Martz has the offensive line (that he did not have last year) to run the ball.
Orlando Pace (Pro Bowler)
Tom Nutten
Andy Mccolum
Adam Timmerman (Pro Bowler)
Rex Tucker (Pro Bowl Reserve)
Mike Martz says it's not that he does not want to run, he just wants to run for positive yards. With that line he will run it more - just watch.
PhillyFan
Sep 6 2005, 02:52 PM
WOW a Martz fan…. That’s almost harder to find than a Tampa fan when they aren’t winning.
You do really need to drop the Martz Kool-Aid bottle. It was not Martz who won a supe, it was Vermeil and his coaches all over the team. In the Post Vermeil area Martz has:
Taken a team built by Vermeil to a superbowl.
Became the biggest upset victim in recent supe history.
Would rather put a stick in his eye than run the ball on 3rd and 2.
Might just be more full of himself than the quack down in Baltimore.
I’m also going to ask this.. are you looking at stats of PRE-SEASON games for Detroit (I figured that).. but for San Diego also?
If you are, then you are crazy because I’d assume the rams (granted martz is the coach) do what other teams do, and it’s called Bland Vanilla. Work in just maybe a wrinkle of the offense. Some of the D. Other than that, it’s about getting up to game speed, tackling, and timing.
The only fans who count wins/stats of preseason game are 4-skin fans.
Time to be a realist, the Rams have offense and no defense or special teams. Any team can take the west (because the division stinks). When it comes to playing the big boys, they are just a practice game.
Why are they NOT a complete team? Martz is the reason for that, he thinks he can win every game by scoring 45 points. When in reality, good teams win by all three areas of the game. Something he should have learned in the supe a few years back…..
RobertsInOkc
Sep 6 2005, 05:02 PM
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PhillyFan:
WOW a Martz fan…. That’s almost harder to find than a Tampa fan when they aren’t winning.
You do really need to drop the Martz Kool-Aid bottle. It was not Martz who won a supe, it was Vermeil and his coaches all over the team. In the Post Vermeil area Martz has:
Taken a team built by Vermeil to a superbowl.
Became the biggest upset victim in recent supe history.
Would rather put a stick in his eye than run the ball on 3rd and 2.
Might just be more full of himself than the quack down in Baltimore.
I’m also going to ask this.. are you looking at stats of PRE-SEASON games for Detroit (I figured that).. but for San Diego also?
If you are, then you are crazy because I’d assume the rams (granted martz is the coach) do what other teams do, and it’s called Bland Vanilla. Work in just maybe a wrinkle of the offense. Some of the D. Other than that, it’s about getting up to game speed, tackling, and timing.
The only fans who count wins/stats of preseason game are 4-skin fans.
Time to be a realist, the Rams have offense and no defense or special teams. Any team can take the west (because the division stinks). When it comes to playing the big boys, they are just a practice game.
Why are they NOT a complete team? Martz is the reason for that, he thinks he can win every game by scoring 45 points. When in reality, good teams win by all three areas of the game. Something he should have learned in the supe a few years back…..
Yes, they were 8-8 with a horrible defense and special teams. That speaks to how good the offense and Martz is.
Thank's for proving my point. Furthermore the defense does not have to do much to be better than last year.
Nice try though. You have failed in your attempt to make Martz the issue and not the talent on hand.
Mike Martz offense holds a very large RESPONSBILITY FOR THE SUPERBOWL WIN, a point which someone such as yourself would never coneede.
The bottom line is that Martz winning percentage is almost 70% with (as you mentioned) a horrible defense and special teams at times. I'm starting to see ray's of light on defense and hope more can come on special teams. I also feel the offense will be even better than last year.
Which all equals 11-5
[ September 06, 2005, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: RobertsInOkc ]
RobertsInOkc
Sep 6 2005, 05:07 PM
In fact, since 1999, the Rams’ 56 regular season wins are tied for the most in the NFL over that span. In addition, Martz’s 24 wins in his first two seasons is the third highest in NFL history. Martz’ 43 regular season wins in his first four seasons as head coach is tied for the third highest in NFL history. Martz’ .672 regular season winning percentage is tied for the fourth highest in the NFL in the Super Bowl era with a minimum of 50 games coached.
There is this bizzare assumption that because Martz "has so much talent" he shoud win. Yet, when they suck on defense it's because of a "lack of talent". I fully admit he needs to get more talent on that side of the ball - which they have. That's why I'm optimistic.
Not a one-dimensional coach, Martz addressed a critical defensive overhaul before the 2001 season. Beginning with the NFL free agency period in February, the Rams signed or traded for several significant defensive players, then surprised the football community by selecting defensive players with their five choices in the first three rounds of the 2001 NFL draft. That season, the Rams allowed 273 points, nearly 200 points less than they did in 2000, the second largest point improvement in NFL history.
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PhillyFan
Sep 6 2005, 05:26 PM
Just so the facts don’t get in the way, Martz is 54-33 .621 as a coach. Just a tad short of over 70%. Better yet, didn’t he go something like 12-4 his first year? That should just about knock him down to the 50% line. Thus, making him an average coach at best.
Didn’t he also say he doesn’t care about turnovers because he can outscore the other team? Tough to put a good D on the field doing that. It’s also tough to outscore another team when they start from the 30+ yardline because of special teams.
RobertsInOkc
Sep 6 2005, 08:15 PM
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PhillyFan:
Just so the facts don’t get in the way, Martz is 54-33 .621 as a coach. Just a tad short of over 70%. Better yet, didn’t he go something like 12-4 his first year? That should just about knock him down to the 50% line. Thus, making him an average coach at best.
Didn’t he also say he doesn’t care about turnovers because he can outscore the other team? Tough to put a good D on the field doing that. It’s also tough to outscore another team when they start from the 30+ yardline because of special teams.
His winning percentage is 67.2.
You can divide that up, so I will divide Bill Billichecks record BEFORE NEW ENGLAND - he sucks!
Nice try though.
Joe in Philly
Sep 6 2005, 09:39 PM
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RobertsInOkc:
Also, the Rams went to the SUPERBOWL and damn near beat the Patriots WITH MIKE MARTZ AS HEAD COACH in 2002.
They should have slaughtered the Patriots that year. "Shams" is the correct word -- they were a paper tiger. Martz is a fraud, as is his team.
RobertsInOkc
Sep 7 2005, 10:20 AM
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Joe in Philly:
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RobertsInOkc:
Also, the Rams went to the SUPERBOWL and damn near beat the Patriots WITH MIKE MARTZ AS HEAD COACH in 2002.
They should have slaughtered the Patriots that year. \"Shams\" is the correct word -- they were a paper tiger. Martz is a fraud, as is his team.
If Martz is a fraud, then why should the Rams have slaughtered the Patriots that year? lol.. Furthermore, everyone says the Patriots suck untill they lose to them in the superbowl. Just ask the EAGLES. Andy Reid must suck too..
PhillyFan
Sep 7 2005, 11:11 AM
I'm still waiting for you to find Martz's real coaching record of over 70% that went down...
I also saw your cut and paste from his bio on NFL.com... NIIICE.
Joe in Philly
Sep 7 2005, 11:48 AM
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RobertsInOkc:
If Martz is a fraud, then why should the Rams have slaughtered the Patriots that year? lol.. Furthermore, everyone says the Patriots suck untill they lose to them in the superbowl. Just ask the EAGLES. Andy Reid must suck too.. :p
Sorry, but you're wrong. Everyone respects the Patriots. They've proven themselves to be worthy. The Shams under Martz are just frauds.
PhillyFan
Sep 7 2005, 01:13 PM
No JIP, you are wrong. In the pre-season they have shown such promise on D that JJ is getting worried he's not the best D coach in the league. Mike Martz seems to be pushing ahead!
Cadillac
Sep 7 2005, 03:22 PM
Isn't it ironic that EAGLE fans are critical of the teams that BEAT THEM on the way to becoming World Champions?! Well at least "on the way" in the Bucs case. If the Rams and Bucs are such "shams" how do you explain that they have Super Bowl Rings while your "superior" team is still ring-less?
I think Eagles fans are worthy of working in the Bush administration as they certainly don't live in reality...
Ah, I know the Bucs record is "this - that" since they beat the Eagles in the Vet on their way to winning the title....wahhhhhhhh
Is that the best you've got?!
PhillyFan
Sep 7 2005, 04:15 PM
when did the Rams beat the eagles on the way to winning it all puker?
As for the bucs... ummm, that was... what 3 years ago? 2 sub 500 records later... and another sub 500 to come...
We could start a "what happened to a one hit wonder" thread if you would like....
Cadillac
Sep 7 2005, 04:33 PM
OMG - WORD FOR WORD...as I said before "That the BEST you've got?!"
We could start a thread "Teams that have never won the Super Bowl..." or "Name the only NFC East team to never win the Super Bowl?" or "Batteries and the NFL fans that use them"
Come on PF - you're losin your touch...then again, you are one of those "W" fans that live in the land of "Denial". So perhaps in "your world" the Eagles have won it all...
Take the blue pill now.
PhillyFan
Sep 7 2005, 04:34 PM
5-11, welcome to today...
Joe in Philly
Sep 7 2005, 09:18 PM
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PewterPirate:
(removed same old shit)
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn.
roguy
Sep 8 2005, 05:24 PM
As a longtime Rams fan from Detroit, I have to say that Martz drives me crazy wiht his clock management and his lack of leadership in developing a worthy special teams squad, but I still kinda like the crazy old guy.
But that special teams abyss is why they won't make it much further than round one of the playoffs this year, if they even get that far. I also think he misses Lovie.
RobertsInOkc
Sep 9 2005, 08:29 PM
agree'd.. If there were a great defensive coordinator out there I think Martz woulda got one, but they all went on to be head coaches.
I also can't stand our special teams, but I think that's a product (again) of a lack of talent and continuity in the special teams coach.
Everyone says Martz only knows about offense and is an offensive genius. Then they proceed to blame him for the defense - something he is not involved with all that much. This year I think he's taking more of an aggressive role on defense, but he's still no defensive cordinator.
When Mike Martz had Lovie Smith as his defensive cordinator that resulted in a superbowl appearance. I think that's really what he needs, someone equally brilliant coaching the defense (as every team does) to get to that next level.
My hope is with the changes on defense and the renewed focus and aggresive changes in the scheme result in a much better defense for 05, but of course that may not happen.
And Tom brady is so damn hot!
I can't the Patriots but damn he's fine.
PhillyFan
Sep 10 2005, 09:40 AM
What you say about coaches, or rather, NOT getting coaches says alot about martz, not the talent.
Boltergeist
Sep 11 2005, 05:04 PM
4th and 9ers 28, Shams 25
Loins 17, Pack-it-iners 3
So much for that pre-season game, eh?
roguy
Sep 11 2005, 06:06 PM
... and the loss is due, not surprisingly, to an awful special teams performance... just horrendous. And Martz didn't have the team up for the 49er's emotional performance.
That was fun watching the Lions outlast the Packers, though! Nice to see Joey have a pretty solid game.
hockeyTom
Sep 11 2005, 08:14 PM
Way to go 49'ers! Looks like the Rams and the Hawks, once again, will battle it out for the ugliest contender.
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