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UMRebel/Bucfan
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You haven't? Shit, I must be slipping. Either that or I am losing it.
oooh, oooh, oooh, I vote "losing it". biggrin.gif

I've often thought that you were losing it. Hell I've even been convinced, once or twice that you had totally lost it! wink biggrin.gif

Still gotta love ya.
millerbeach
My, my, MIB. I must have struck a nerve. Now you resort to gutter language. Is that where you get your political beliefs as well? You are one of the most passive-aggresive individuals I have ever met. Just be sure to look out for those pink spiders that are crawling up your arm. They might bite!
fantomas
In addition to Arlen Specter (no surprise there), it looks like John McCain is now saying Warrantless Wiretapper might have broken the law. Oops!


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WALLACE: But you do not believe that currently he has the legal authority to engage in these warrant-less wiretaps.

MCCAIN: You know, I don’t think so, but why not come to Congress? We can sort this all out. I don’t think — I know of no member of Congress, frankly, who, if the administration came and said here’s why we need this capability, that they wouldn’t get it. And so let’s have the hearings.
McCain is the latest addition to a growing list of prominent conservatives — including Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) and Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) — who have expressed serious concerns about the legality of the program.

Karl Rove doesn’t want to spin it this way but concern about the warrantless domestic spying program is bipartisan.
Video here.
hockeyTom
Right you are fan. This fact was mentioned yesterday about McCains view on "Meet the Press."
MIB
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UMRebel/Bucfan:
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You haven't? Shit, I must be slipping. Either that or I am losing it.
oooh, oooh, oooh, I vote \"losing it\". biggrin.gif

I've often thought that you were losing it. Hell I've even been convinced, once or twice that you had totally lost it! wink biggrin.gif

Still gotta love ya.
One cannot lose what one never had in the first place. tongue.gif

BTW, I see ft is into quoting that schizophrenic McCain again.
fantomas
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MIB:


BTW, I see ft is into quoting that schizophrenic McCain again.
And here you are quoting that CIA agent-outing, pathological liar and psychopath Bob Novak praising McCain, so perhaps you should revisit that old saw about the pot calling the kettle....
UMRebel/Bucfan
MIB, you call yourself a Conservative but you support/endorse Bush and slander McCain. You my dear sir are NO Conservative.
MIB
Bush is a bumbling doofus and McCain is an opportunist who's significantly responsible for this financial morass into which Congress has gotten itself. Hey, Senator! Remember that horrible, anti-constitutional McCain-Feingold bill you guys passed and Mr. "I no veto anything" Bush signed?

Idiots all.
KeyWest Guy
White House prepares for impeachment.

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Administration sources said the charges are expected to include false reports to Congress as well as Mr. Bush's authorization of the National Security Agency to engage in electronic surveillance inside the United States without a court warrant. This included the monitoring of overseas telephone calls and e-mail traffic to and from people living in the United States without requisite permission from a secret court.

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Sen. Arlen Specter, Senate Judiciary Committee chairman and Pennsylvania Republican, has acknowledged that the hearings could conclude with a vote of whether Mr. Bush violated the law. Mr. Specter, a critic of the administration’s surveillance program, stressed that, although he would not seek it, impeachment is a possible outcome.

\"Impeachment is a remedy,\" Mr. Specter said on Jan. 15. \"After impeachment, you could have a criminal prosecution. But the principal remedy under our society is to pay a political price.\"

Mr. Specter and other senior members of the committee have been told by legal constitutional experts that Mr. Bush did not have the authority to authorize unlimited secret electronic surveillance. Another leading Republican who has rejected the administration's argument is Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas.

Although highly unlikely, it doesn't hurt to dream.
MIB
If Clinton could break the law and get acquitted in an impeachment trial, Bush has nothing to worry about. The GOP paid a political price in the 1998 elections due to what the public believed was an unnecessary impeachment. With polls currently showing Americans supporting the president in the eavesdropping on suspected Al Qaeda supporters, the Dems may suffer politically as well.
KeyWest Guy
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MIB:
If Clinton could break the law and get acquitted in an impeachment trial, Bush has nothing to worry about.
Blow job vs. domestic spying without a warrant in direct violation of law--yeah, that's the same thing. rolleyes.gif
ITJock
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KeyWest Guy:
Although highly unlikely, it doesn't hurt to dream.
Doesn't hurt? Who do you think becomes POTUS when they throw his fat ass out?

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MIB
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KeyWest Guy:
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MIB:
If Clinton could break the law and get acquitted in an impeachment trial, Bush has nothing to worry about.
Blow job vs. domestic spying without a warrant in direct violation of law--yeah, that's the same thing. rolleyes.gif
Earth to KW--he wasn't impeached for blow jobs. Perhaps you ought to go back and do a little reading. Either that or put down the appletinis.
KeyWest Guy
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MIB:
With polls currently showing Americans supporting the president in the eavesdropping on suspected Al Qaeda supporters, the Dems may suffer politically as well.
You mean polls like the latest Gallup poll?

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A new Gallup poll released Monday showed that 51% of Americans said the administration was wrong to intercept conversations involving a party inside the U.S. without a warrant. In response to another question, 58% said they support the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the program.
58% want a special prosecutor. I suspect this number goes up the more the public finds out about this. Can't wait for Spector's hearings.
Aubie In Bham
51%...isn't that a resounding mandate from the American People?
fantomas
Or this recent poll by the nonpartisan American Research Group, which puts the Warrantless Wiretapper's support at 36%! Doesn't sound like it's the Democrats who're suffering to me.
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George W. Bush's overall job approval rating has returned to its lowest point in Bush's presidency as Americans again turn less optimistic about the national economy according to the latest survey from the American Research Group. Among all Americans, 36% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 58% disapprove. When it comes to Bush's handling of the economy, 34% approve and 60% disapprove.
PennState4Ever
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fantomas:
Or this recent poll by the nonpartisan American Research Group, which puts the Warrantless Wiretapper's support at 36%! Doesn't sound like it's the Democrats who're suffering to me.
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George W. Bush's overall job approval rating has returned to its lowest point in Bush's presidency as Americans again turn less optimistic about the national economy according to the latest survey from the American Research Group. Among all Americans, 36% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 58% disapprove. When it comes to Bush's handling of the economy, 34% approve and 60% disapprove.
I find the RealClearPolitics.com summary of the various job approval polls interesting, particularly as you can view trends over time.
MIB
Well, isn't this interesting?

This liberal explains how Democrats are playing fast and loose with issues of war and peace. Right on, Joe! When Americans realize that Bush approved eavesdropping on suspected Al Qaeda helpers and not every person in the USA, they are in overwhelming agreement with the president's actions.

While the Constitution was being ratified in 1787 John Jay (later the first chief justice) in Federalist No. 64 praised the Constitution for giving the president power "to manage the business of intelligence in such manner as prudence may suggest." And of course Article II of the ratified Constitution gave the president the nation's "Executive power" and states that "the President shall be the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States."

When in the early 1800s President Jefferson hired foreign mercenaries to invade Tripoli and free American hostages, he did not inform Congress in advance. In 1818, when a controversy arose over a diplomatic mission abroad, House Speaker Henry Clay told his colleagues that since the president had paid for the mission with his contingent fund it would not be "a proper subject for inquiry."

So it is clear that the Constitution's original intent was that the president had the authority to take undisclosed foreign actions to protect America.

In modern times, the 1947 National Security Act contained no provision for congressional oversight of presidential national-security actions. In 1968 Congress enacted the Safe Streets Act, providing that nothing in the act "shall limit the power of the President to take such actions as he deems necessary to protect the Nation against actual or potential attack or other hostile acts of a foreign power, to obtain foreign intelligence information deemed essential to the security of the United States, or to protect national security information against foreign intelligence activities."

When President Carter signed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in 1978, his attorney general noted that it did not "take away the power of the president under the Constitution," and in 1994, when President Clinton expanded FISA, his administration agreed. As constitutional scholar Robert Turner noted in The Wall Street Journal last month, "Section 1811 of the FISA statute recognizes that in a period of authorized war the president must have some authority to engage in electronic surveillance 'without a court order.'"

America's judicial system has reached the same conclusion. The Supreme Court's 1972 decision in U.S. v. U.S. District Court (known as the "Keith case") held that the Fourth Amendment's "unreasonable searches and seizures" clause applied to domestic wiretapping, but refrained from concluding that it restricts "the president's surveillance power with respect to the activities of foreign powers within or without this country."

In 1980 the Carter administration argued in the Truong case that the government could conduct domestic, warrantless wiretaps of conversations between a U.S. and a Vietnamese citizen who had been passing on U.S. military intelligence to the North Vietnamese. The Supreme Court agreed.

In 1982 a federal court of appeals ruled that "the National Security Agency may lawfully intercept messages between United States citizens and people overseas, even if there is no cause to believe the Americans are foreign agent."

And in 2002 the FISA court said that the president has "inherent constitutional authority to conduct warrantless foreign intelligence surveillance."

America is engaged in a global war against terrorists whose intention is to inflict significant damage upon us. They attacked the World Trade Center in 1993, at U.S. embassies in Africa in 1998, the USS Cole in 2000, and of course in New York and Washington in 2001.
If we had known that one of those terrorist attacks was coming, could our government have electronically eavesdropped on the attackers without a warrant?

If a known Al Qaeda terrorist had made a phone call from outside the country to someone inside America about these or other attacks, could our government have listened in?

If we had found an American phone number on a captured terrorist's computer before one of the attacks, could the military have listened in to the next call without a warrant?

If we know of a conversation set for a week from Wednesday between an Al Qaeda operative in Iraq and a sympathetic American citizen in Illinois, one could argue there is time to seek a FISA warrant. But if the CIA has only a three minute knowledge of the call, may it listen in without one?

The answer to all these questions is yes; the federal courts have consistently ruled that the constitution gives the president the authority--as "Commander in Chief" or using his "executive Power"--to acquire foreign intelligence without warrants or other approvals.

[ January 24, 2006, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
UMRebel/Bucfan
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Aubie in Bham:
51%...isn't that a resounding mandate from the American People?
President Bush seems to think so. If it's good enough for him it's good enough for his critics.

[ January 24, 2006, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: UMRebel/Bucfan ]
twin58
MIB, posted January 24, 2006 03:58 PM.
January 24, 2006, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: MIB

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In modern times, the 1947 National Security Act contained no provision for congressional oversight of presidential national-security actions. In 1968 Congress enacted the Safe Streets Act, providing that nothing in the act \"shall limit the power of the President to take such actions as he deems necessary to protect the Nation against actual or potential attack or other hostile acts of a foreign power, to obtain foreign intelligence information deemed essential to the security of the United States, or to protect national security information against foreign intelligence activities.\"
Pierre \"Pete\" Du Pont, The Wall Street Journal.Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

'Better Than Well Said'

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In modern times, the 1947 National Security Act contained no provision for congressional oversight of presidential national-security actions. In 1968 Congress enacted the Safe Streets Act, providing that nothing in the act \"shall limit the power of the President to take such actions as he deems necessary to protect the Nation against actual or potential attack or other hostile acts of a foreign power, to obtain foreign intelligence information deemed essential to the security of the United States, or to protect national security information against foreign intelligence activities.\"
UMRebel/Bucfan
At some point it ceases to be plagiarism because you just assume that MIB lifted his comment from someone without giving them credit. Especially when he re-posts the same thought more than once without citing his source, even after being called on his plagiarism.

The differences are pretty clear to me between when MIB offers an original thought and when he appropriates other's thoughts. One seems well thought out and cogent whereas the other is MIB's original thought. rolleyes.gif
fantomas
He's plagiarizing that right-wing duPont again? The poor thing is pathological. Okay, I won't say another word about him. He's obviously crying out for and really needs help. Just like his beloved Warrantless Wiretapper.
MIB
Actually, I think seeing you get your panties all in a twad is fun enough for me to enjoy.

The source is irrelevant when the facts are true. If DuPont said 2+2=4, you'd be screaming it didn't because he said it. Too funny.

Joe Klein was right.
fantomas
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MIB:
Actually, I think seeing you get your panties all in a twad is fun enough for me to enjoy.

The source is irrelevant when the facts are true. If DuPont said 2+2=4, you'd be screaming it didn't because he said it. Too funny.

Joe Klein was right.
The source "is" relevant in a court of law, isn't it, "judge"? Just admit that you're a plagiarist--of a known right-winger, no less (and Klein is not a "liberal" by any measure, as you surely know), and be done with it. Your admiration of the Warrantless Wiretapper makes more and more sense every day.
Neptune
The more I hear someone justify plagiarism, the more I think they're full of crap. Something stinks here.

I'd much rather interact with someone who can formulate a thought all by himself and can display at least an iota of intellectual honesty. It's a pretty low threshold, but unfortunately some here can't meet it. :confused:
Herr Tiggee
I understand that in the state of the union Shrub will be announcing his new "War on Porn," an offshoot of the "War on Tara." This is what happens when 90% of all known terrorists are porn addicts.

Thank God Google stood firm. I'd probably be on a list of former madrasa students via my voluminous porn site searches. Excuse me while I issue a "disperse and hide" signal to my 12 sleeper cells.
millerbeach
Watch it Herr! With talk like that, the next thing we know, you'll be posting from Gitmo!
fantomas
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Herr Tiggee:
I understand that in the state of the union Shrub will be announcing his new \"War on Porn,\" an offshoot of the \"War on Tara.\" This is what happens when 90% of all known terrorists are porn addicts.

Thank God Google stood firm. I'd probably be on a list of former madrasa students via my voluminous porn site searches. Excuse me while I issue a \"disperse and hide\" signal to my 12 sleeper cells.
Oh, please tell me you're joking! We've had a war on kiddie porn for years. They catch the kiddie pornographers and kiddie porn consumers, and like the priest pedophiles, they just keep coming. And they just keep catching them. So what's new? I know--since W's popularity is now at 36%, he's got to find a new hobbyhorse. So it'll be kiddie porn--and by extension all porn, that multibillion-dollar business that neither he nor the Department of Justice are going to attack since many major US and international corporations are making money off it--and instead of focusing on the producers, they'll try to trap consumers. And this'll take our minds off
  • his ILLEGAL warrantless wiretapping (pace fascista Pete duPont)
    the \\"unwinnable\\" war in Iraq and the destruction of the US Army
    the Iraqi Shi'ites' vocal support of and growing ties with Iran
    the rising threats of Iran (no oil if you bomb them)
    Iran and Syria's growing ties
    Osama bin Laden's continued presence on this earth
    Ayman al-Zawahiri's continued presence on this earth
    Musab al-Zarqawi's continued presence on this earth
    Al Qai'da's continued and growing presence on this earth
    the ongoing mess in Haiti (which WW's ousting of democratically elected president Aristide was supposed to solve)
    the continuing \"invasion\"--in Pat Buchanan's words--of the United States by the citizens from the nation of WW's best bud, Vicente Fox
    the massive job losses and faltering US auto industry
    the Abramoff scandals
    the bursting housing bubble
    the imminent election of Hamas in the Palestinian territory
    Plamegate
    the Hurricane Katrina aftermath and FEMA's ongoing failures and incompetence
    the anti-abortion fanaticism and ScAlito
    the Medicare prescription drug debacle
    the devastating cuts in social services (which Tiffany Cooper of Kansas asked W about yesterday and stumped him)
    the swelling deficit (again)
    the rising trade deficit (again)
    and so much more

Yep, the new "War on Porn" (or whatever they decide to rechristen it a few months down the road) is surely going to make everyone forget about their gross incompetence and illegal behavior. I'm not sure at what point the zombies finally wake up, but maybe that's the point, they're zombies and never do.

[ January 25, 2006, 12:58 AM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
twin58
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Herr Tiggee
... Shrub will be announcing his new \"War on Porn,\"...
Already loyal citizens are falling into line. The New York Times, using my words without attribution, said this:

After Subpoenas, Internet Searches Give Some Pause

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By KATIE HAFNER
Published: January 25, 2006

Kathryn Hanson, a former telecommunications engineer who lives in Oakland, Calif., was looking at BBC News online last week when she came across an item about a British politician who had resigned over a reported affair with a \"rent boy.\"

It was the first time Ms. Hanson had seen the term, so, in search of a definition, she typed it into Google. As Ms. Hanson scrolled through the results, she saw that several of the sites were available only to people over 18. She suddenly had a frightening thought. Would Google have to inform the government that she was looking for a rent boy - a young male prostitute?
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\"We as U.S. citizens have got to start making concessions,\" [Josh Cohen, 34, a financial adviser in Chicago] said. \"In order for the government to catch people that prey on children, or fight the war on terror, they are going to need the help of the search engines.\"
....

Nevertheless, last week's court motion is giving some people pause. Sheryl Decker, 47, an information technology manager in Seattle, said she was now thinking twice about what she said in her personal e-mail correspondence. \"I have been known to send very unflattering things about our government and our president,\" Ms. Decker said. \"I still do, but I am careful about using certain phrases that I once wouldn't have given a second thought.\"

Ms. Decker's caution is being echoed by others. Genny Ballard, 36, a professor of Spanish at Centre College in Danville, Ky., said she had grown more conscious about what she typed into the Google search box. \"Each time I put something in, I think about how it could be reconstructed to mean that I have more than an academic curiosity,\" Ms. Ballard said.
It is our duty to cooperate. To do otherwise is treasonous. All hail the unitary executive branch - now, more than ever.
MIB
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Neptune:
I'd much rather interact with someone who can formulate a thought all by himself and can display at least an iota of intellectual honesty.
You must mean fantomas, one of, if not the most, condescending people on this board. I can spend hours discussing the many PM's I've received from folks who are tired of his patronizing attitude, as if he's some kind of intellectual elite.

And he's still running around with this "judge" fixation, conveniently ignoring my simple requests to prove his wild assertions.
MIB
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fantomas:
...the massive job losses and faltering US auto industry
First, learn how to properly use \"massive.\" Second, how convenient of you to ignore the large number of jobs added over the last several quarters. Third, exactly how is an overly bloated auto industry adjusting to the market realities Bush's fault?

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the bursting housing bubble


Bursting? Not yet. And how would this be Bush's fault? God knows he's screwed up enough, but not everything is his fault.

Seriously, on which planet have you been sleeping all these years? You uber-leftists have really got to stop blaming everything on Bush (and so typically never giving him credit for anything).

[ January 25, 2006, 07:03 AM: Message edited by: MIB ]
MIB
Google to cooperate with China but not U.S. Interesting to see them cooperate with an official police state.
fantomas
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MIB:
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fantomas:
...the massive job losses and faltering US auto industry
First, learn how to properly use \"massive.\" Second, how convenient of you to ignore the large number of jobs added over the last several quarters. Third, exactly how is an overly bloated auto industry adjusting to the market realities Bush's fault?
How cowardly of you to mention PMs you've received about me and my posts. If anyone has any problems with me, they should address me directly. I'm enough of a man to deal with it, and in the past I have.

As for the "judge" title, you know quite well that you listed this as your profession when you began posting on Outsports. My memory may not be eidetic, but even I recall this. Raze and others have called you out on it. I am not going to ask Jim or Cyd to go through their databases to prove this, so you'll have to live with your fabrication, "judge."

Massive:

From the Oxford Compact English Dictionary:

Adjective 1 large and heavy or solid. 2 exceptionally large, intense, or severe. 3 forming a solid or continuous mass.
— ORIGIN French massif, from Latin massa ‘mass’.

From the Cambridge International Dictionary of English:

massive
adjective
very large in size, amount or number:
They've got a massive house.
She died after taking a massive overdose of drugs.
If the drought continues, deaths will occur on a massive scale.

From the American Heritage Dictionary:

ADJECTIVE: 1. Consisting of or making up a large mass; bulky, heavy, and solid: a massive piece of furniture. 2. Large or imposing, as in quantity, scope, degree, intensity, or scale: “Local defense must be reinforced by the further deterrent of massive retaliatory power” (John Foster Dulles). See synonyms at heavy. 3. Large in comparison with the usual amount: a massive dose of a drug. 4. Pathology Affecting a large area of bodily tissue; widespread and severe: massive gangrene. 5. Mineralogy Lacking internal crystalline structure; amorphous. 6. Geology Without internal structure or layers and homogeneous in composition. Used of a rock.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English massif, from Old French, from masse, mass. See mass.

In every case, my use of "massive" to mean "excessive in size or scope" was correct. You were saying?
ITJock
[quote]fantomas:
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As for the \"judge\" title, you know quite well that you listed this as your profession when you began posting on Outsports. My memory may not be eidetic, but even I recall this. Raze and others have called you out on it. I am not going to ask Jim or Cyd to go through their databases to prove this, so you'll have to live with your fabrication, \"judge.\"

[/quote]Hey - just noticed that.

Whats up with that MIB?

My memory is near eidetic, and I know I saw that when I originally looked you up.

R
MIB
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fantomas:
As for the \"judge\" title, you know quite well that you listed this as your profession when you began posting on Outsports. My memory may not be eidetic, but even I recall this.
I'd suggest you take more Focus Factor then, for I never said what you claim, and I can't help it if you and your sidekick Raze say I said what you said I said.

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In every case, my use of \"massive\" to mean \"excessive in size or scope\" was correct. You were saying?
I was saying that you improperly used the word "massive." That claim stands. I know what the definition of "massive" is. You should have used it as "a massive number of job losses," for "massive" as an adjective of size will need a singular noun in the above specific case.

I warned you once not to attempt a Language Arts battle with me. I will not warn you again.

[ January 25, 2006, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: MIB ]
MIB
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ITJock:
Hey - just noticed that.

Whats up with that MIB?

My memory is near eidetic, and I know I saw that when I originally looked you up.

R
I don't know, IT. Someone probably messing around. wink
fantomas
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MIB:
I was saying that you improperly used the word \"massive.\" That claim stands. I know what the definition of \"massive\" is. You should have used it as \"a massive number of job losses,\" for \"massive\" as an adjective of size will need a singular noun in the above specific case.

I warned you once not to attempt a Language Arts battle with me. I will not warn you again.
"Language arts"? Please! You obviously haven't been near anyone's high school or college in years, at least not near anything having to do with English or modern foreign languages. It's called standard English language usage. "Massive" does not require a singular noun; as the examples show, it can be used with singular or plural nouns. Now go plagiarize someone saying something contrary, "judge."

And to paraphrase Bette Davis, "Ya did, Blanche, ya did!"
Herr Tiggee
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Originally posted by Herr Tiggee:
I understand that in the state of the union Shrub will be announcing his new \"War on Porn,\" an offshoot of the \"War on Tara.\" This is what happens when 90% of all known terrorists are porn addicts.

Thank God Google stood firm. I'd probably be on a list of former madrasa students via my voluminous porn site searches. Excuse me while I issue a \"disperse and hide\" signal to my 12 sleeper cells.
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Response from Fantomas:
Oh, please tell me you're joking! We've had a war on kiddie porn for years. They catch the kiddie pornographers and kiddie porn consumers, and like the priest pedophiles, they just keep coming.
Were you born without a sense of humor, or did you have it surgically removed? There are times I think you have no ability to appreciate sarcasm, and that's coming from someone who stays out of your way on the P&R Boards.

And while I have your attention, have you ever actually posted anything about a sport while you've been at OS? I ask that because this is a gay sports site. Just askin'.
fantomas
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Herr Tiggee:

And while I have your attention, have you ever actually posted anything about a sport while you've been at OS? I ask that because this is a gay sports site. Just askin'.
First, do YOU have a sense of humor? I was basically seconding YOUR comment. But if you're seriously asking me about if I post on sports, then do a search. I've posted on baseball (the Cardinals, the Yankees, the White Sox, the World Series, etc.); on football (the Rams, past Super Bowls, etc.); on tennis (Venus, Serena, etc.); on ice hockey; on golf; on the New Zealand All Blacks Rugby team; basketball (the New Jersey Nets); and on and on. So if you're trying to insinuate that I don't post on sports, then do a search. And keep in mind, I've never made such a ridiculous insinuation about you.
Herr Tiggee
You are far too sensitive. Maybe a better question might have been whether you could NOT take offense to everything you read.
fantomas
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Herr Tiggee:
You are far too sensitive. Maybe a better question might have been whether you could NOT take offense to everything you read.
No offense to this comment. But a better question might be, did you even think before you asked if I'd ever posted on a sports topic?
Herr Tiggee
Perhaps the fact that 95% of your posts are on the P&R forum blinded me to the fact that you actually do, from time to time, post on sports topics. I think you get baited by MIB a bit too often. He knows which of your buttons to push, and suddenly the two of you have 20 or so combined posts where you spar over P&R topics. I know he does it on purpose, but you're smart enough to quit taking his bait. It might boost your sports-posting percentages. That is all.
fantomas
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Herr Tiggee:
Perhaps the fact that 95% of your posts are on the P&R forum blinded me to the fact that you actually do, from time to time, post on sports topics. I think you get baited by MIB a bit too often. He knows which of your buttons to push, and suddenly the two of you have 20 or so combined posts where you spar over P&R topics. I know he does it on purpose, but you're smart enough to quit taking his bait. It might boost your sports-posting percentages. That is all.
Again, no offense, but are you measuring and quantifying my posts or something? And why is it important to you if I "boost my sports-posting percentages"? Are you monitoring just mine, or other people as well? I don't care how much you or anyone else posts in this thread or anywhere else, but you're quite welcome to respond to any of my sports posts. I think the last one dealt with the New Zealand Rugby team. Sportinlife responded. There are quite a few other threads as well. Perhaps we just don't have any sports interests in common.

I'll admit that my exchanges with MIB have been extensive, though on sports topics like the Chicago White Sox and the Cubs, things are much more, well, pleasant. If my part in those exchanges bothers you, and it seems to, I really am sorry, and I'm not being facetious. If I didn't care about the issues under discussion, I wouldn't post at all.

[ January 25, 2006, 10:54 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
millerbeach
I thought battling with MIB was considered a sport! Who knew!
Herr Tiggee
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I thought battling with MIB was considered a sport! Who knew!
If it's a sport, it's most akin to a dog show: nobody watches, and nobody really feels exhilirated by the results.

It's not so much a sport as an extreme misuse of one's time.
millerbeach
Oh dear, kind Herr, please speak for yourself. I can hardly wait to see what kind of blather is going to come out of his mouth next. Why, MIB is kind of like a train wreck...you just have to look and see what happens next!
MIB
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fantomas:
You obviously haven't been near anyone's high school or college in years, at least not near anything having to do with English or modern foreign languages.
Oh, more wrong you could not be! (Buzzer sound 1)

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It's called standard English language usage. \"Massive\" does not require a singular noun;
I didn't say it requires a singular noun all the time. Go back and reread my post. I said it needed a singular noun in your specific case, which it does. (Buzzer sound 2)

Shall we play for buzzer 3 and be eliminated?
MIB
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millerbeach:
Oh dear, kind Herr, please speak for yourself. I can hardly wait to see what kind of blather is going to come out of his mouth next. Why, MIB is kind of like a train wreck...you just have to look and see what happens next!
Really now, your jealousy of my powers and extreme intellect is so unbecoming of you.
MIB
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millerbeach:
I thought battling with MIB was considered a sport! Who knew!
It's a contact sport. eek!
RazorbackTX
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MIB:
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millerbeach:
I thought battling with MIB was considered a sport! Who knew!
It's a contact sport. eek!
I thought there were laws against that kind of contact with a federal judge.
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