http://msn.espn.go.com/gen/news/2003/1001/1628537.html

Ahhhhhhhhh, what a shame, see ya around lard ass.

Maybe its time for some more painkillers....

http://www.nydailynews.com/10-02-2003/fron...9p-110349c.html

Talk-radio titan Rush Limbaugh is being investigated for allegedly buying thousands of addictive painkillers from a black-market drug ring.
The moralizing motormouth was turned in by his former housekeeper - who says she was Limbaugh's pill supplier for four years.

Wilma Cline, 42, says Limbaugh was hooked on the potent prescription drugs OxyContin, Lorcet and hydrocodone - and went through detox twice.

[ October 02, 2003, 06:20 AM: Message edited by: RazorbackTX ]

Whats interesting is that ESPN hired the big blow hard to "shake things up", and thats just what he did, as well as put his foot in his mouth.

What was ESPN thinking when they hired this dumbass? Did they think he was never going to say bigoted things? He's conservative white trash who looks down on anyone who doesn't look and think like he does. Good riddance, you moron. Now, if we can just get something done about the Faux News Channel.

Who's next ESPN?

How about Dennis Miller, he was soooooooo good on MNF.

Hey, maybe giraffe woman Ann Coulter is available.

Or, David Duke could give his insights from prison.

He's gone -- and not a day too soon. If people listened to his radio show they would discover that this type of hatred is more the norm rather than the exception. It will be very interesting to see him beg for leniency (if there is any truth to the drug allegations against him) when he shows little compassion to anyone else who makes a mistake in his or her life.

He'll probably check into a rehab, beg for mercy, apologize expecting everyone to forgive him. This despite the fact that he has spent his life villifying other human beings who have made similar mistakes.

Im sure all the knuckledraggers will be going ballistic today on fatboys radio show.

Ditto-knuckleheads

My biggest frustration with him is the fact that he came out yesterday saying "don't we have freedom of speech in this country?" I absolutely hate that argument. Of course we have freedom of speech, he's not getting carried off to prison for what he said. Essentially, he wants to be able to say any bigoted, stupid comment on air and not have anyone say anything contrary. He has a right to say it, we have a right to try and get him fired by shouting back. It's such a ridiculous argument and one that gets used by these talking heads all the time.

Thats a great point.
He keeps saying he did nothing wrong...well then why resign fatboy?

I do too, especially when it comes out of the same pieholes of those who decry our culture's lack of "personal responsibility." Say what you want, meathead, but don't expect it be popular. :mad:

You guys are all a bunch of f**king liberal ass****s. He didn't say anything racial. He said the media wanted a black quarterback to do well, not a racist statement. He was just stating an opinion.

[ October 02, 2003, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: Mattjock ]

Well said man! Did you and Rush go to the same charm school???!!!

If he was just "stating an opinion" why did the lard-ass resign?

Way to stand up for what you believe in!

Mattjock,

Could you please try to explain your perspective? I saw the clip three times last night and I honestly don't understand the argument that suggests he was criticizing the media.

He said: Limbaugh has denied that his comments were racially motivated.

''I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well,'' Limbaugh said on Sunday's show. ''There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team.'' What is wrong with that comment. It is not racism. He is just stating an observation of the media he has had. Come on people, read the comment, listen to the comment. Everything is a racial issue nowadays, for god's sake, when it is really not. He did not say Donovan played bad because he was black. He did not say he hates blacks. He just made a comment anout the media, that's all.

[ October 02, 2003, 09:08 AM: Message edited by: Mattjock ]

Mattjock
(and everyone else)

I saw the clip at least three times last night and took Rush's comments very differently. The text and tone of his delivery implied that black QBs are inferior, which is why the media have "social concern" and allegedly rally behind them

la_meatman provided some very insightful comments the other day. I absolutely agree with him that there are bigots (of all classes and education levels, not just blue collar workers) who believe that white players are smarter players and blacks are more physical, etc. I absolutely agree, too, that there ARE people here, people in the media, and people in the world, in general, who want black QBs and coaches to succeed so they can destroy these kind of stereotypes

Rush wasn't making this kind of commentary, though. Rush was talking about his own opinion, not talking about his experience with Mr. Blue Collar Work or Joe Six Pack. RUSH doesn't think McNabb is a good player (despite McNabb's record of past success). RUSH thinks the only reason McNabb is considered a good player is because he's black. That IS the text of what Rush said.

To me, those statements sound more like a criticism of McNabb than of the media.

Rush could have criticized the media more effectively by saying McNabb was overrated because:
1) the media want a new cadre of quarterbacks to get behind, with Favre, Warner, Gannon, et al on a decline
2) the media have an East Coast bias and favor teams and players in Philly, NY, etc.
3) the media think McNabb is more marketable to younger viewers than Kerry Collins or Jon Kitna

Rush said NONE of these things, though.

That's not to say Rush's comments did NOT implicate the media in some sort of "liberal social concern conspiracy", which is probably why scores of sports writers have raked Rush over the coals. What an f-ing insult to them!

More than that, several sports writers have defined Rush's comments as racist, and I think many of those responses have less to do with feeling insulted and much, much more to do with thinking his statements really were coming from a place of bigotry.

Last night on SportsCenter, Mitch Albom broke down Rush's comments AND his defenses for his outrageous statements. Peter King, Jim Litke, and other white sports writers have also been very critical. That says something to me...

I personally can't stand Rush, but I'm with MattJock on this one. He did not say anything racist. He was actually implying that the Media was not doing it's job in decrying his efforts this year because he is black. Quite possibly, the media is afraid to approach the subject for fear of a backlash against them as there is against Rush.

Let's all be very careful and remember that free speech is the right of ALL...not just those with whom we agree.

Rush is guilty of one thing... bringing his politics to espn, and forgetting that he was on a football preview show.

To suggest that the philly press pumps him up... well, he's never picked up a philly paper in his life. The only one with a free pass in that town right now is Larry Bowa.

No one is trying to take away Rush Limbaugh's right to free speech, but why should ESPN pay him for making ignorant and baseless, and YES, racist comments? It was Rush that brought McNabb's race into the picture, not anyone else.

A lot of people have called McNabb, and a lot of other players for that matter, over-rated. But Rush went farther than than and accused the media of reverse racism - ignoring poor play in order to feel better about themselves by promoting a black quarterback. It is not so much McNabb who should be insulted, it is the cadre of sports writers who regularly cover Philly teams.

George Michael (who normally I can't stand) was on local radio this morning (he is based out of the DC NBC station, for those who don't know) and was livid about the comments - as he noted, and has been noted above, they were also an insult to every black quarterback who has been successful, including Doug Williams. Folks in DC love their 'Skins, and are not happy with the implication that the only way a black quarterback can succeed is if sports writers or the team overlooks his failings.

There are a few hundred guys playing in the NFL and every one of them fights for their job every year. If McNabb is over-rated, it is not likely to be overlooked by any writer or fan, no matter what his race. And there is no need to discuss his race if he is over-rated - again living in the land of the 'Skins, we have seen a huge number of over-rated white QBs come through town in the last few years.

I'm glad he's gone...I'll start tuning into ESPN again.

Look, I think we all agree that freedom of speech is a liberty we all cherish.

He’s free to say whatever he wishes, as I am, however, we have to be accountable for what we say. We have to *think* before we speak and then we have to be willing to back up our statements with intelligence (something Rush has always had a problem with).

Rush let his personal bias and bigotry dictate his opinion, which is fine if, in this case, you are in a group of bigots with white sheets over their heads and pointed white caps on.

He got what he deserves. His dream job just turned into a nightmare. Karma.

Aubie in Bham said:

This is bunk and inaccurate. The media were all over Kordell Stewart (black qb, playing in the same state) in Pittsburgh. Daunte Culpepper was raked over the coals last year in Minnesota. Shaun King, Akili Smith?

Rush made several mistakes:

a) He was wrong about implying McNabb didn't deserve the recognition he was getting
He was wrong for thinking the media goes soft on black qb's
c) He was wrong for thinking that b***sh*t statements like this won't go unchallenged by the American public

I wonder if the fat bastard said crap like this on his radio show all of these years but it's gone unchecked because his listeners support his bigoted views? "Hey, Lamebrain, don't let the door hit your fat ass on the way out!"

Ill ask, once again...
If he was only stating an opinion, why did he resign??????

Look, quite a few right-wing commentators, from Bob Grant to David Horowitz, etc., have periodically made outrageous racially offensive comments, some of which wouldn't be out of place at a Klan meeting, and do so with impunity. Rush's wasn't as outlandish as most of these, but his point was obvious and obviously wrong. I believe it's only because Rush was on ESPN that he had to pay the piper; otherwise, he'd have received no sanction.

I'm actually more interested in his drug abuse and crimes, because over the years Limbaugh has railed relentlessly about "personal responsibility," hammering away at crack and smack addicts, on the toll they take on our services, etc., on to Bill Clinton to anyone who's not a right-winger. So the hypocrisy here is so glaring I hope HE'S embarrassed by it.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6650947

Note the date on the article...

How many think he actually "resigned" or was "asked to resign"?

My vote is "asked to resign".

PS - for those of you who haven't listened to Rush, you should - periodically - tune in. His message is ALWAYS sickens me, yet I like to be informed as to what the "other (dark) side" is saying/thinking.

I understand that he was asked to resign, and not a moment too soon as far as I am concerned.

To the contrary, I believe the Limbaugh family has been a prominent one in SE Missouri. It has produced quite a few lawyers and at least one judge.

SFX: Hell freezing over

edited to change a reference to SW Missouri to SE Missouri. Cape Girardeau is in SE Missouri.

[ October 02, 2003, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: twin58 ]

...and now he's attempting to divert some of the negative attention from Bush with his drug use.

WHAT A GREAT WEEK TO NOT BE A REPUBLICAN!!!! Then again every week is a good week to not be a Republican!!!

In another thread, PewterPirate posted

Rush LOVES Bush and OxyContin!!

Talk-radio titan Rush Limbaugh is being investigated for allegedly buying thousands of addictive painkillers from a black-market drug ring.

The moralizing motormouth was turned in by his former housekeeper - who says she was Limbaugh's pill supplier for four years.


Wilma Cline, 42, says Limbaugh was hooked on the potent prescription drugs OxyContin, Lorcet and hydrocodone - and went through detox twice.


"There were times when I worried," Cline told the National Enquirer, which broke the story in an edition being published today. "All these pills are enough to kill an elephant - never mind a man."

Maybe Bush can come over and do some white lines with Rush...

Maybe Rush was all cracked out when he made the McNabb statements? At least that's what he'll claim in rehab.


twin58 replied

The article is from the New York Daily News. It is copyrighted. Please provide a link.

Thanks.

[ October 02, 2003, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: m1 ]

^^^^^

link

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...aughinpillprobe

Of course Razor believes this, as it was originally revealed by Razor's bible, The National Enquirer.

Even the guys on Chicago's WLS-AM who follow Rush's show said they think this pain-killer story is BS. We'll see, of course.

BTW, the title of this thread and the comment by bobbie above do not surprise me. Left-wing nuts frequently resort to name-calling and other childish antics when they can't get any intelligent points across otherwise. Hurtling insults, shouting down their opponents--this and more is indicative of people who know they're full of it but won't ever admit it. Attacking one's character is always a last resport tactic by such folks.

Not much different from the far-right people who constantly tried to undermine President Clinton by endlessly going after his character.

[ October 02, 2003, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]

Take some recent thread titles on Outsports for example...
1. Too Stupid to Breathe: the Christiane Amanpour Thread
2. Scumball (Frenchie) Depp hates America!
3. Oh those skanky lil dixi chics

Bobby -- Touche!

All this controversy got me to thinking -- maybe ESPN might be interested in hiring Dr. Laura as Rush's replacement?

Or how about Ann Coulter.

Yes, the Limbaughs are a prominent family in SE Missouri (the same state that has given us that extremist crackpot John Ashcrack--and once upon a time gave the US the likes of politicians such as Harry Truman, Stuart Symington, Tom Eagleton, and John Danforth, all moderates). Stephen Limbaugh, I think, has been nominated for a prominent position by the W administration. And one of Limbaugh's relatives--his niece, not daughter, I think--attended a private, northeastern, liberal research university with yours truly.

MIB,

Ever listen to Rush, The O'Reily Factor???

They NEVER are obnoxious or brash?

I'll admit this much, I AM finding some joy (and humor) at the expense of Rush today. He's way overdue for a fall. I for one hope it's a long and painful one, as the hatred and lies he spreads daily are sinful.

It's called karma.

I say ESPN take a good long look at Anita Bryant.

you guys are turning this political, and lumping on cause you hate him. I mean, he insulted my team's QB. I just chalk it up to a stupid statement that had no place.

Listen, he couldnt keep politics out of football, for that,,, he left. Nuff said.

for that...he was ASKED to resign.

I bet he went home last night and snorted a big ole' line of OxyContin!!!

GOP = Grand Ole Painkillers!

[ October 02, 2003, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: PewterPirate ]

I do indeed dislike Rush, and I think what he said was wacked, BUT he has a right to say what he did...I could not defend the Dixie Chicks and not Rush ( And the same goes for you phillyfan)
Now if he was a elected offical I would look at this different

Normally, I avoid P&R like the Ebola virus, but since this started in the football forum...

Nothing to add but this open letter:

Dear Rush (and all others who hide behind this lame-ass defense):

For the sake of my sanity, and the sanity of all sentient beings, please, please, PLEASE quit saying "it's the media's fault", implying that you are somehow not part of that same class. You are a media-ho of the first order and to imply otherwise is insulting to the intelligence of any creature above the level of a parameciam. You are not a weirdo loner transmitting his views on his 5 watt radio whose reach doesn't extend beyond the edge of your driveway. In fact, you are being discussed on a British message board that I frequent, ableit in unflattering terms. You are part and parcel of the mainstream corporate media, so please cease trying to imply otherwise.

Your cooperation is greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Jim Allen

The problem here is that ESPN brought a right-wing political commentator to do sports analysis. Now I agree that we should not be name-calling, but it does appear that Rush has not been part of any aerobic athletic activity in a long time, other than maybe sumo wrestling. He should not have been on the show, and when he brought his biased political views into the sports arena, it was bound to backfire. Hey, Howard Dean, in his outcry against the statements, mentioned the Philadelphia Jets as McNabb's team. But he wasn't hired to do football commentary. ESPN sold out to get ratings, and ended up with controversy.

And funny Rush would mention McNabb (who directed a win that day before he knew of any controversy) but failed to blame the liberal media for coddling that terrible Steve McNair as qb of the lowly Titans.

As stupid as his comments were, why didn't anyone call him on it right then? I would have thought at least Michael Irvin would have bitten off a chunk of Rush's very large ass. Oh, sorry, disrespectful.

Thanks.

You know....

I was reading in the USA Today, yesterday, how NFL Countdown was bringing in the ratings for the first however many shows. So, no matter how many of you commie-pinkos say you didnt watch.. looks like many people did. I doubt they were tuning in to see the coke snorter, hooker hiring, knife carrying Irvin.

It's never been a secret that Rush was a football fan, i've heard it for years. So it was, in a way, a chance to have a normal football watchin guy on TV. Plus, he wouldnt be afrsid to have an opinion.

The problem is that he used his politics to taint his view. No one wants to watch that on sun morning. Really, thats the last thing i wanna see.

At the end of the day... having rush there was a good idea, he just put his foot in his mouth. Next year they should try al frankin. he'd prob add more humor than rush... just keep his politics out of it. i'd love to see that, even if i hate his politics.. he's still funny.

then again, i could fit this gig in my schedule.

Wow, a PhillyFan post is actually lucid, has a point, and stays on topic. Are snowballs gentrificating Hell?

phillyfan, you would be a great addition, I would personally email ESPN as a recommendation. And concerning your comments about MI, maybe that is why Irvin didn't take him on, Rush might have come back at him about his past and the media protecting him. But then Rush had better step carefully when critizing people about drug use, it appears.

I think you are right that Rush couldn't keep politics out of it, if you wanted politics on Sunday morning, watch "This Week" and "Meet the Press". That is why I blame ESPN for putting a political personality on a sports show. But Al Franken would be just as bad, I agree he is much funnier, less holier-than thou, and more interesting than Rush, but he wouldn't be able to leave the politics out either. Love Al's opinions, but leave them out of sports commentary.

What's "normal" about Rush Limbaugh? The man is a millionaire, he lives in New York City, he's a media superstar...please.

And most of the folks on that show are rich, white guys, so if you mean average Joe, then maybe they'll go out to the Midwest, find someone from Ohio or Michigan or Missouri, who earns $27,000 and loves football and put HIM on the show.

Say what you will about Michael Irvin's personal life and his inarticulateness--which appears to be getting worse, but cocaine causes minor seizures in the brain so he may be totally addled in a few years--he at least was an outstanding football player for a team that won several Super Bowls. Rush Limbaugh, as far as I know, only came close to punch, toilet and potato chip bowls. And, as you say, now that his drug problems are surfacing, he may not want to take that righteous stand with anyone else. That is, if he doesn't want to be drummed off the radiowaves too.

Once again, you are taking his politics personally.

I do not like Al Frankin's politics, BUT if he did a good job during football.. i'd be fine with that. If he was at the local pub, it would be intresting to watch a game with him...

NFL countdown has always been my favorite pre-game show... why? there is VERY little fluff. Unlike the FOX and CBS shows who do. I think TJ is a great analyst. Anyone who they brought in for this role, needed to have an opinion, not entertainment. Agree with rush or not, he always has one. hence, it worked well for the show. The ratings proved it.

I actually aplaud ESPN for giving this a try... Maybe next year we will see O'reilly.....