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Joe in Philly
QUOTE(Marc @ Jun 19 2008, 01:19 PM) *

The town is only about an hour from where I live and I've stopped there to see the Enterprise model.


I first read this as Enterprise motel. blink.gif
Lksimcoe
QUOTE(Marc @ Jun 19 2008, 01:19 PM) *

Bravo to California, and to Mr. Sulu. And he looks pretty good for 71! Digressing from topic a little...I was never a big fan of the show and its many spinoffs, but Trekkies may find this you-tube video about Vulcan, Alberta to be interesting. The town is only about an hour from where I live and I've stopped there to see the Enterprise model. They have a Star Trek convention annually, and this year's special guest was the son of the late Gene Rodenberry.

As for gay marriage in Canada, although it has been legal throughout the country for three years and most people accept it now, not surprisingly most churches (and non-Christian faiths) continue to reject it. The only exceptions are still the United Church of Canada as well as the Unitarians. However, there has certainly been some encouraging and lively debate within a few of the other Protestant churches, namely the Anglicans and Lutherans. In fact, a Lutheran church in Newmarket (Ontario) recently ordained a gay pastor.


I live about 10km north of Newmarket, so maybe hubby and I will repeat our vows with a church wedding. (going all the way to the city to MCCT is to much of a pain).
CHIathlete

California Supreme Court ruling in conflict with federal policy. The federal “Don't Ask, Don't Tell” law states that a service member “shall be separated from the Armed Forces” if he/she has “married or attempted to marry a person known to be of the same biological sex.”

http://ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=1863&a...amp;Category=26
Joe in Philly
An interesting read...
canmark
Ellen DeGeneres and Portia de Rossi get married.

TheOtherFSU
Congrats to Ellen and Portia!

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Joe in Philly
Brad Pitt donates $100,000 to the fight against Proposition 8 (which would ban same-sex marriage) in California.
millerbeach
...like I needed another reason to fall in love with Brad Pitt! biggrin.gif
tealsea
yesonmarriage

There is a disgusting website ad that I got in my snail mail.
At every opportunity, I log on on tell them how misguided they are. (I use stronger language) biggrin.gif
I invite any of you to do the same.
fantomas
Vermont's State Senate has now approved a same-sex marriage bill after the House had already done so, meaning that it will now go to Vermont's Republican governor, Jim Douglas, who is opposed to it. I wonder, as the blog I've cited also does, if there'll be enough legislators signing on to uphold a 2/3rds veto override and ensure it becomes law.

All the states that allow same-sex marriage, either by judicial rulings or legislation or both--Massachusetts, Connecticut, California [until Prop 8], and very likely soon Vermont--have something in common: a sizable Roman Catholic population. My question is what's going on here? Is this just a coincidence or something else?
tealsea
Portia DeRossi "apologizes" for getting married. This is very funny!

My Webpage
MetsfanChi
With the House(barely) and Senate overruling the Governor's veto this morning, Vermont has legalized same-sex marriage. They are now the fourth state to allow marrying your spouse.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/na...0,7921134.story
boomer400
Two in one week, this is pretty awesome.
fantomas
Excellent! 4 (once 5) now doing the right thing, only 45 more to go!
canmark
The dominoes are falling...
climber30
God bless America!
blueraider
Five if you count New York, who will accept marriages performed in other states/countries.
jamiethelanky
Yay Vermont!
fantomas
Add MAINE to the list!

Maine legalizes same-sex marriage
WChip
You beat me to it! Yay, Maine! It will be interesting to see how the (likely) vote will go this fall.
tealsea
QUOTE(blueraider @ Apr 8 2009, 02:20 AM) *

Five if you count New York, who will accept marriages performed in other states/countries.


6 if you count California, which may come back around yet. The jury is still out.

Now how many countries are there?
Canada
Spain
Netherlands?
Denmark?
Lksimcoe
I think Belgium has also legalized gay marriage. On a connected note, the European Court of Justice, consistantly rules in favour of gay rights, so it's only a matter of time before it's mandated across the whole of the EU, (European Union). The former East Bloc countries will squeal, but if they want to continue to receive handouts from the EUCB, (European Union Central Bank) then they will eventually fall into line.
fantomas
Yes, Belgium also recognizes same-sex marriage.

In the US it's: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, Maine, and very soon, New Hampshire. New York now recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere, and DC is set to do so as well.

New Jersey, Illinois, Washington State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Rhode Island, Delaware, and Hawaii will be in the next wave of states, I predict. And please let California bring it back.

Mississippi, Alabama and Oklahoma will be the absolute last to do it.
fenwayguy
Now comes New Hampshire:
Same-sex marriage becomes law in NH

A compromise on the language of the "religious organization exemption" was passed by both bodies of the legislature today, and the bill was signed into law by Governor Lynch this afternoon, to be effective January 1, 2009. On that date as well, existing New Hampshire civil unions will be legally converted to marriage.

Woo-hoo New Hampshire! Wicked pissa!

That leaves Rhode Island as the only New England state without full marriage equality. Amazing.
sportinlife
I love the response of Obama spokesperson Tommy Vietor when asked during the presidential campaign for the democratic nomination if three guys in A&F gear had been put on the stage deliberately “I assume this was three guys who had been shopping together,”

Edit to add - an interesting Op-Ed piece, by a New York politician, concerning gay marriage:

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Why I Now Support Gay Marriage

WHEN I ran in the Democratic primary for governor against Eliot Spitzer in 2006, I vocally supported civil unions for same-sex couples but did not endorse equal marriage. I understood the need to provide equal rights for gays and lesbians, but as a practicing Catholic, I also felt that the state should not infringe on religious institutions’ right to view marriage in accordance with their own traditions. I thought civil unions for same-sex couples would address my concerns regarding both equality and religious liberty.

I was wrong.

I have listened to many well-reasoned and well-intentioned arguments both for and against same-sex marriage. And as I talked to gays and lesbians and heard their stories of pain, discrimination and love, my platitudes about civil unions began to ring hollow. I have struggled to find the solution that best serves the common good.

I now support same-sex marriage. This is a subject of great debate before the New York State Legislature (although the legislators there are a little distracted right now), and I hope that same-sex civil marriage will be approved within the month.

Under current New York State law, same-sex couples are deprived of access to the employment benefits, life and health insurance and inheritance laws that heterosexual couples have. If the state were to institute civil unions for same-sex couples, that discrimination would end, but we’d still be creating a separate and unequal system.

Civil unions for both heterosexual and same-sex couples would be an equal system, but this compromise appears unlikely at the current time. Few heterosexual couples would give up their current civil marriage for a civil union. While some states would recognize civil unions for all, others would not, causing legal problems for New York couples. Advocates of same-sex marriage don’t seem in favor of such a compromise either.

According to the last census, there are an estimated 50,000 households headed by same-sex couples in New York, many who were married in other states. Those marriages are recognized by New York courts as valid. As a result, we have same-sex marriage for some in New York (albeit performed out of state) and no marriage at all for other same-sex couples.

Any change in the New York law can, and must, balance equality while making sure that religious institutions remain free to choose whether to marry same-sex couples. By following the example of Connecticut and Vermont, which included protections for religious institutions when they recently legalized same-sex marriage, we can ensure that churches are not forced to consecrate marriages they do not endorse. This will require a strong liberty clause allowing religious institutions to opt out of solemnizing same-sex marriage, which also applies to the provision of services and programs at religiously affiliated institutions.

Many civil marriages are not considered “holy matrimony” by religious institutions because they do not conform to the rules of the religious institution. Those marriages have not challenged religious liberty. We must see that civil marriage, which has always been separate from religious marriage, will remain so.

But most important, gays and lesbians have suffered too long from legal discrimination, social marginalization and even violence. They are entitled to clear recognition of their equal status as citizens of a country that is founded on the principle that we are all inherently worthy. By delivering a clear message that same-sex couples can no longer be treated as separate and unequal in New York, we will also reduce discrimination in everyday life. We will all be better for that.

Equal civil marriage should, and likely will, pass because of the public’s growing unwillingness to sustain inequality. Society will also be strengthened as more people take responsibility for one another in marriage. I now encourage others who oppose gay marriage to re-examine the reasons they do so, and to consider changing their minds too.

Tom Suozzi is the Nassau County executive.


This type of conversion will eventually give us a sensible and fair policy on gay marriage nationwide. And it is interesting that his empathy for gay couples and not his religion lead him to this decision.

Most important is his language differentiating "civil marriage" from "religious marriage". Once we realize that legal institutions have no Constitutional right to govern marriage, only to determine whether a religious marriage should be recognized as a civil one, we can begin to frame this debate in a way that is not a threat to any religious practice.

Religions should have no exclusive right to determine which marriages are civil in a civilized country, especially considering many of the other uncivilized practices undertaken in the name of one religion or another.
canmark
Some interesting charts and maps in the Toronto Star about the number of gay marriages: by month, since gay marriage was allowed in Ontario; and by neighborhood within Toronto.

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Ontario doesn't distinguish between same-sex and opposite sex couples in its marriage statistics, but the City of Toronto does. Date, sex and partial postal code data for same-sex couples married in Toronto were released to the Star recently under access-to-information laws, opening the door to a large amount of new information about the over 5,500 gay and lesbian couples married here since June, 2003. Once again, thanks to the Star's Andy Bailey for helping to make sense of the data.

The data sheds light on the different neighbourhood patterns of Toronto's married lesbians and gay men, and also where people who came to the city to be married from across Canada and the United States came from.

From June 10, 2003 to May 5, 2009, the final date covered in the data the City sent us, 5,564 same-sex couples were issued marriage licences in Toronto. 2,326 marriages were of lesbians, and 3,238 of gay men.
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5,435 individuals came from Toronto, 899 from Canada outside the city, and 4,651 from the United States. The remainder could not be identified by a Canadian postal code or U.S. zip code, though a handful were obviously British.
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Looking at the top U.S. cities represented, based on the first three digits of the zip code, gay men were weighted more to the South and California, while lesbians came more from communities in New York State and the Midwest.

The men's top 10 list includes Washington, Fort Lauderdale, Dallas, Houston, San Francisco, Atlanta and Miami, while the women's top 10 list includes Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Madison, mid-Long Island, Rochester, Columbus and Detroit. New York, Chicago and Minneapolis are on both lists.

Population density data shows that U.S. lesbians married here came from more rural communities, and gay men from more urban ones.


"This chart shows monthly totals of Toronto residents married in same-sex couples since June 2003. May of 2009 is incomplete. We see a dramatic spike in June of 2003, then annual spikes after that in June. There is also a spike in January of 2006, which I can't account for: (update: see reader comment below)"

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"Here is the same chart for gay and lesbian U.S. residents married here. In their case, the 2003 peak came more in July and (more so) August. The number of American same-sex couples married here has been gently declining, presumably because of the increasingly liberal climate on the issue of same-sex marriage in several U.S. states. There does seem to be a drop-off after Massachusetts allowed out-of-state same-sex couples to marry there in mid-2008."

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jsieds
Massachusettes files court challenge to constitiutionality of DOMA.
SCTrojan
Well if I ever get married & have a procession it'll be similar to this.

Appartently, it's been a news/web/YouTube sensation. biggrin.gif (You can see the video of the report on this link. It's near the top on the right titled "VIDEO"...

& after all, gay weddings would be considered "unconventional" anyway so...
swiminbuff
Our wedding was definitely more sedate or traditional (other than the 2 grooms). 2 witnesses and 30 guests in the chapel of the church, 30 more guests at reception. The reception was when things got more interesting, and we definitely danced better than that group, lol.
SCTrojan
QUOTE(swiminbuff @ Jul 30 2009, 04:25 PM) *

...and we definitely danced better than that group, lol.


lol! Isn't that usually the case! biggrin.gif
WChip
The anti-marriage forces in Maine are supposed to submit the required substantiated signatures shortly to put gay marriage up to a vote in November. I expect the results to be similar or worse to CA, basically evenly divided with the nayes in the majority. Eventually rights for all citizens willl be equal!
sportinlife
My de facto gay uncle in Aus sent me this story about illegal weddings held as a protest against prime minister Kevin Rudd's party's refusal to explicitly include gay marriage in their platform - a "kiss-in" if you will - to draw an analogy to the sit-ins of the Civil Rights movement here.

That may annoy some Civil Rights exceptionalists, but I think the analogy is entirely appropriate in this case.
HornFan
A must-read:

Ted Olson's Supreme Court Adventure


Edited to correct link
Crew Chief
That's a very interesting article, HF. I found the last line to be rather strong, and one with which I might agree. It at least makes one think.
HornFan
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‘We’re going to plan your wedding in a couple of years — this is going to happen.’ ”


Hope he is right...and truthful.
sportinlife
Unlike some gay activists I think that a logical case can be made for gay marriage - by Ted Olsen or anyone else - based on the ERA and that it matters little if the case is lose now because it would eventually go down with all the cases in which racial discrimination was ruled to be appropriate and now are disparaged.

But I still fundamentally disagree with Olsen's arguments in Bush v Gore which I thought was a perversion of the 14th amendment that ultimately gave preference to the imaginary rights of a minority of voters in one state over the legitimate rights of a majority of voters in that state and many other states.

Mr. Olsen was wrong then. The Supreme Court was wrong then.

It makes this defence of equal rights for gays appear to be selective.

His emotional defense of a fellow player who was black is a fine act of individual absolution. But not to defend the rights of blacks as a class seems hypocritical, since a "class" is simply a group of individuals.

Gays are a class in this case. And that is what he will be defending no matter how much he tries to put it in the context of the defence of an individual who happened - either figuratively or literally - to touch him more.
canmark
Ben & Jerry's has dubbed their Chubby Hubby ice cream Hubby Hubby in support of same sex marriage in Vermont. http://www.benjerry.com/hubbyhubby/
Reuters article.
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canmark
AP: Same-sex marriage bill in DC appears unstoppable
sportinlife
All I can say about this video is WOW!
canmark
Wow, indeed.

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Meanwhile, in Toronto news a Russian lesbian couple has come to Toronto to get married. They tried to get married in Russia but, of course, were denied. They now want to challenge the law that says that Russia would recognize marriages performed in other countries, so they are getting married in Canada. Earlier today I noticed that the Mayor of Toronto tweeted about meeting them. Toronto Star: From Russia, to get married

The sad news is that the other day a 27 year old gay man, engaged to be married to another man, was beaten and run over by 3 or 4 men and killed. This happened in downtown Toronto late at night. It's not clear whether this was a hate crime, but some in the gay community suspect it was. There is some video of the attack and of the SUV driving away. There are no suspects presently and the motive is unclear. Toronto Star: Video released as slain man mourned. xtra coverage. Apparently there will be a vigil on Sunday night at Church/Wellesley.

If this truly is a hate crime, it's very chilling to think that in a country that allows gay marriage and in a city with a high level of acceptance of LGBT people, that such things could happen. There may be other reasons why this man was beaten to the ground, kicked, and then deliberately run over, but what could they be? A hate crime is certainly a consideration.

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Skinner was walking home on Adelaide St from a birthday party for his sister in the Entertainment district when he was "assaulted by between two and four males," detective Stacey Gallant, the lead investigator on the case said in an Oct 22 press conference.

"He was beaten to the ground and kicked when he was on the ground," before the attackers returned to their black SUV. Once in the car, they "ran over Mr Skinner with both the front and rear tires. They accelerated the car away from the scene and continued to go east on Adelaide St."
WChip
In spite of excellent positive commercials, many spokespeople/groups for equality in marriage, and a well-run campaign, the anti-marriage forces here in Maine have closed the gap in polls (we were ahead!)with their campaign of fear (they'll be teaching about gay marriage and gay sex in the schools from kindegarten on). I doubt our vote will be any closer than it was in California, but hope I'm wrong.
canmark
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SCTrojan
Interesting chart canmark. Who did the study & what year?

...Not surprising about which states are the lower 25%. And especially that the last 5 have zilch 4 pro-gay policies.
Rob in Maine
Glad to see that in term of tolerance, we're no. 8. Tonight, after the polls close, let's see if we move up the scale a bit. Send us good karma, Outsports-ers!
hockeyTom
Good luck Rob in Maine. I know I will be watching. We have our own situation going on in Wash. State. Its called Ref. 71. If passed, as it should, domestic partners will get "everything but marriage" rights. This bill had passed both houses earlier this year, but some anti group got enough votes to put it on a ballot. Stay tuned. Fingers are crossed.
MetsfanChi
Religious bigots win again in Maine. Such f**king bullshit. This country really sucks sometimes.
SCTrojan
That's why I still think that staying in the closet should no longer be a positive option. The more we come out to family, friends, coworkers, & the general public the more people in this country will realize that we are part of "them".
Joe in Philly
This is also why I feel marches on Washington are not the answer any more. How about a march on Portland, Maine instead?
SCTrojan
Yep!
Crew Chief
Maine, huh?

I smell a Stephen King novel in the works!
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